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Stats show Tigers' tackling a major problem
AFL.com.au
10th May, 2016
NO RICHMOND player has recorded 10 tackles in a game since Dustin Martin laid that number against Greater Western Sydney in round 14, 2015.
Such an individual statistic would not stand out if the Tigers were winning, as tackling statistics can deceive in 2014, Hawthorn won the flag with only two clubs in the competition averaging fewer tackles per game.
But after seven rounds in 2016, ladder leaders North Melbourne has had one player, Andrew Swallow, lay at least 10 tackles in a game five times and Ben Cunnington and Jack Ziebell do so once each.
Individuals can inspire with their tackling and set a tone of fanaticism that can be infectious, effort that coaches acknowledge.
Fifteen of the 44 players to have laid 10 tackles or more in a game in 2016 have earned at least one coaches' vote in the AFLCA award, one indication of how such games are valued.
By none of those 44 are Tigers, with Richmond one of only two clubs in the AFL without a player to have laid 10 tackles in at least one game since the start of the year.
The other team is the severely depleted Essendon, which had a 10-tackle a game player most recently with retired champion Paul Chapman in round 22, 2015.
The tackling frenzy Hawthorn midfield Liam Shiels embarked on against Richmond on Friday night, when he laid 16, emphasised the absence of such a pressure performance from one player among the Tigers line-up.
Midfielder Anthony Miles recorded the most tackles for the Tigers on the night with seven (the highest in a game in 2016 for Richmond is Jacob Townsend with eight) as the Hawks just shaded Richmond with two more tackles overall on the night.
Hawthorn laid 76 to Richmond's 74, the fifth time the Tigers have lost the tackle count this season.
Hawthorn has had six players lay 10 tackles or more in a game 13 times in the 33 games it has played since the start of 2015, way ahead of the Tigers' two.
Shiels has laid 10 or more tackles on six occasions in that time, with Paul Puopolo recording 12 tackles twice and Shaun Burgoyne, Will Langford, Sam Mitchell and Cyril Rioli also applying 10 tackles or more in a game at least once since the start of 2015.
North Melbourne has had a player lay 10 tackles in a game seven times this season, with Andrew Swallow doing so on five occasions.
Richmond is also equal last in the competition for tackles inside 50 at an average of 8.4, but given that it's equal 16th for forward 50 entries it has had little chance to apply pressure in that area of the game.
Cyril Rioli evades a tackle from Richmond's Nick Vlastuin. Picture: AFL Media
Players who have applied 10 tackles in a game in 2016
Adelaide: Rory Sloane (10), Scott Thompson (10 twice), David Mackay (10)
Brisbane Lions: Pearce Hanley (12), Daniel Rich (11), Tom Rockliff (10), Dayne Zorko (10)
Carlton: Ed Curnow (13), Ed Curnow (10), Patrick Cripps (10)
Collingwood: Levi Greenwood (13), Adam Treloar (10)
Essendon: Nil
Fremantle: Michael Barlow (14), Matthew Pavlich (10), Brady Grey (10), Nat Fyfe (10)
Geelong: Mark Blicavs (12), Mark Blicavs(10)
Gold Coast: Tom Nicholls (10), Touk Miller (10)
Greater Western Sydney: Shane Mumford (10)
Hawthorn: Liam Shiels (16), Liam Shiels (12), Shaun Burgoyne (11), Will Langford (11), Cyril Rioli (10), Shaun Burgoyne (10)
Melbourne: James Harmes (10)
North Melbourne: Jack Ziebell (19), Andrew Swallow (14), Ben Cunnington (14), Andrew Swallow (11 three times), Andrew Swallow (10)
Port Adelaide: Ollie Wines (10)
Richmond: Nil
St Kilda: Jack Steven (11), Sam Gilbert (10)
Sydney Swans: Dan Hannebery (13), Josh Kennedy (13)
Western Bulldogs: Luke Dahlhaus (13)
Stats supplied by Champion Data
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-10/stats-show-richmond-tackling-a-major-problem
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If there was a stat for missed tackles we'd be first by the length of Flemington straight.... still a disgrace after six seasons & seven rounds....fix this problem alone and we'd improve by at least 10%.....but not holding my breath considering it's an issue that hasn't been properly addressed since Northey left.....unlikely to change under the current arseclown....
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This has been the case for about 90% of Hardwick's tenure.
Will we blame assistants and recruiters for this also?
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Hang on a sec, i thought we got Farmer in to address this? Oh my mistake.
Hang on a sec, I thought we got Hislop to address this? Oh my mistake.
Hang on, i thought we got Arnott in to address this? Oh my mistake.
Hang on, i thought we Thomas in to address this? Oh my mistake.
Hang on, i thought we got Hunt in to address this? Oh, my mistake.
Hang on a sec, i thought we got Moore in to address this? Oh my mistake.
Hang on, i thought we got Townsend in to address this? Oh my mistake.
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This has been the case for about 90% of Hardwick's tenure.
Will we blame assistants and recruiters for this also?
On the money there Ox, you see it all the time with our players trying to corral instead of tackle.
But its not Hardwicks fault,its the players!
:whistle
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This has been the case for about 90% of Hardwick's tenure.
Will we blame assistants and recruiters for this also?
On the money there Ox, you see it all the time with our players trying to corral instead of tackle.
But its not Hardwicks fault,its the players!
:whistle
This corral mode we are in suits our lazy players style. Put bluntly IT DOESN'T WORK!!!. Every game so far this season we have had situations where we out number the opposition but they still get through congestion. Thats because we hang back and allow the man with the ball too much time. Alternatively if we do go directly for the man we all go for the man with the ball which is just so dumb as he then disposes it to a teammate over the top. If the coaches cant see this then it proves once and for all the are clueless.
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When Hardwick became our coach I thought he'd be huge on tackling because as a player, he was a fierce tackler.
How wrong I was..... :banghead
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Hang on a sec, i thought we got Farmer in to address this? Oh my mistake.
Hang on a sec, I thought we got Hislop to address this? Oh my mistake.
Hang on, i thought we got Arnott in to address this? Oh my mistake.
Hang on, i thought we Thomas in to address this? Oh my mistake.
Hang on, i thought we got Hunt in to address this? Oh, my mistake.
Hang on a sec, i thought we got Moore in to address this? Oh my mistake.
Hang on, i thought we got Townsend in to address this? Oh my mistake.
:lol :rollin :lol
ListCloggingWouldbeTacklers - It's a program that the RFC will continue to persist with. :clapping
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This has been the case for about 90% of Hardwick's tenure.
Will we blame assistants and recruiters for this also?
On the money there Ox, you see it all the time with our players trying to corral instead of tackle.
But its not Hardwicks fault,its the players!
:whistle
spot on, corralling has also instilled lazy running, our players dont gut run, they just run their measure then point for the guy in his patch to take up the slack and so it goes down the chain until the oppopsition get it out the back and run into another open goal
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This has been the case for about 90% of Hardwick's tenure.
Will we blame assistants and recruiters for this also?
On the money there Ox, you see it all the time with our players trying to corral instead of tackle.
But its not Hardwicks fault,its the players!
:whistle
This corral mode we are in suits our lazy players style. Put bluntly IT DOESN'T WORK!!!. Every game so far this season we have had situations where we out number the opposition but they still get through congestion. Thats because we hang back and allow the man with the ball too much time. Alternatively if we do go directly for the man we all go for the man with the ball which is just so dumb as he then disposes it to a teammate over the top. If the coaches cant see this then it proves once and for all the are clueless.
Correct
Just look at the first 10 minutes of the third quarter of the game against West Coast where we came out and tackled multiple times. It stopped the run of West Coast but then we went back to the normal hands off game plan.
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This has been the case for about 90% of Hardwick's tenure.
Will we blame assistants and recruiters for this also?
On the money there Ox, you see it all the time with our players trying to corral instead of tackle.
But its not Hardwicks fault,its the players!
:whistle
spot on, corralling has also instilled lazy running, our players dont gut run, they just run their measure then point for the guy in his patch to take up the slack and so it goes down the chain until the oppopsition get it out the back and run into another open goal
Some of our better players are the worst at this as well.
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This has been the case for about 90% of Hardwick's tenure.
Will we blame assistants and recruiters for this also?
On the money there Ox, you see it all the time with our players trying to corral instead of tackle.
But its not Hardwicks fault,its the players!
:whistle
spot on, corralling has also instilled lazy running, our players dont gut run, they just run their measure then point for the guy in his patch to take up the slack and so it goes down the chain until the oppopsition get it out the back and run into another open goal
Some of our better players are the worst at this as well.
absolutely
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Yet Geelong only have Blicavs tackling +10/game and they're sitting pretty comfortable at 8th spot. And Freo have lots of high tackling players and they are stinking up the joint also.
Joel Selwood hasn't laid more than 10 tackles a game yet no one would ever label him soft. I think the key issue is we have have defenders who won't tackle and more crucially we don't have players who will wear a hit and take maximum time with ball and hand to make the correct decision so the result is usually a rushed handball resulting in a turnover.
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Have a look at B. Ellis' limp wristed tackling effort in todays HUN paper. :lol
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Missed tackles constantly kill us. Look at the Port game as an example. Our lack of ability to tackle has been a problem throughout the reign of Hardwick. Good tackling creates pressure and perceived pressure and leads to turnovers. Other sides do it to us on a constant basis. Having Grigg in the Midfield does not help either.
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This has been the case for about 90% of Hardwick's tenure.
Will we blame assistants and recruiters for this also?
On the money there Ox, you see it all the time with our players trying to corral instead of tackle.
But its not Hardwicks fault,its the players!
:whistle
spot on, corralling has also instilled lazy running, our players dont gut run, they just run their measure then point for the guy in his patch to take up the slack and so it goes down the chain until the oppopsition get it out the back and run into another open goal
Some of our better players are the worst at this as well.
absolutely
Surely, it's Dimmer's directive
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This has been the case for about 90% of Hardwick's tenure.
Will we blame assistants and recruiters for this also?
On the money there Ox, you see it all the time with our players trying to corral instead of tackle.
But its not Hardwicks fault,its the players!
:whistle
spot on, corralling has also instilled lazy running, our players dont gut run, they just run their measure then point for the guy in his patch to take up the slack and so it goes down the chain until the oppopsition get it out the back and run into another open goal
Some of our better players are the worst at this as well.
absolutely
Surely, it's Dimmer's directive
Even if it wasn't it still is AHA
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Having Grigg in the Midfield does not help either.
Equal 5th in tackling for us :shh
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This has been the case for about 90% of Hardwick's tenure.
Will we blame assistants and recruiters for this also?
On the money there Ox, you see it all the time with our players trying to corral instead of tackle.
But its not Hardwicks fault,its the players!
:whistle
spot on, corralling has also instilled lazy running, our players dont gut run, they just run their measure then point for the guy in his patch to take up the slack and so it goes down the chain until the oppopsition get it out the back and run into another open goal
Some of our better players are the worst at this as well.
absolutely
Surely, it's Dimmer's directive
Even if it wasn't it still is AHA
I reckon Dimma could be a long lost member of A-HA
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Having Grigg in any part of the field does not help either.
e.f.a
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'tigers' and 'tackling problems' you could just about make a case for calling them synonyms couldnt you?
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Having Grigg in the Midfield does not help either.
Equal 5th in tackling for us :shh
Hardly an inspiring statistic.
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Having Grigg in the Midfield does not help either.
Equal 5th in tackling for us :shh
Hardly an inspiring statistic.
Yay equal 5th yay, everyone gets a prize
still crack up when this dud walks in to dan Richardsons office upset about his monkeyball comments
Belter.
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Having Grigg in the Midfield does not help either.
Equal 5th in tackling for us :shh
Hardly an inspiring statistic.
It does mean that only 4 players have more, so if being equal 5th in a game that 22 take to the field each week is hardly impressive, how do you rate all those with less?
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Lies
Dam lies
And stats
Grigg tackles like a slender women
Like his mates Houli, Chaplin
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you're like a religious zealot, picking and choosing what to accept based on what you want to believe
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and you, a delusional fan girl
grigg is a tackling machine, the stats say so ::)
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your george bush mentality is always amusing
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Almost as humorous as you and damien going by champion data instead of the eyes god gave u
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Having Grigg in the Midfield does not help either.
Equal 5th in tackling for us :shh
Hardly an inspiring statistic.
If more people tackled like Grigg we might not have such low tackling numbers :shh
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On paper
In reality you'd have more soft gimp like efforts
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lol.
so according to the bent one, the stats that show over three quarters of the players getting AFL game are wrong, that they all actually have more tackles,
so in conclusion, we are making more tackles than the stats show, therefore tackling is not an issue as the OP articles states.
Good, Im glad that is clarified, can we now go down the next rabbit hole and see what we can find?
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On paper
In reality you'd have more soft gimp like efforts
I'd prefer a player put in 20 soft gimp efforts that result in 5 effective tackles per game than a pansie who points to other players so they don't have to tackle and might luckily get 1 effective tackle
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are they stats 'tackles' or 'effective tackles'
:whistle
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Well they don't have stats for missed tackles (which they should and I dare suggest it wouldn't reflect kindly on Grigg at all or most of our players for that matter ) and I'm guessing they don't count tackles where the opponent still manages to dispose of the football or the tackler concedes a free kick, so I'd say yes....
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Should also have stats for effective and ineffective corralling as I think we'd be league leaders by a mile in the latter stat... :whistle
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:lol
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are they stats 'tackles' or 'effective tackles'
:whistle
Effective. And who the stuff cares, if it's only 'tackles' it means he's still putting more effort then your favourites
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or does it mean hes always 2nd to the ball
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or does it mean hes always 2nd to the ball
Means he doesn't poo himself to get into the contest
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Having Grigg in the Midfield does not help either.
Equal 5th in tackling for us :shh
Hardly an inspiring statistic.
If more people tackled like Grigg we might not have such low tackling numbers :shh
Several years ago even Hardwick had a crack at Grigg for his poor tackling.
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or does it mean hes always 2nd to the ball
which you could also say about teams that have high tackle counts
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Having Grigg in the Midfield does not help either.
Equal 5th in tackling for us :shh
Hardly an inspiring statistic.
If more people tackled like Grigg we might not have such low tackling numbers :shh
Several years ago even Hardwick had a crack at Grigg for his poor tackling.
:lol :lol
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:gotigers
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is there a one handed slap stumble fall over stop attempt ?
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:lol
probably a result of deliberately setting out to be a low tackling side, as is not being able to absorb the pressure from a side that tackles with intent
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Who was the Sydney player that just ran over the top of Shank like Jonah Lomu over the Pommy stuff all those years ago?
Happens to the chicken-legged prick every game.....
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Who was the Sydney player that just ran over the top of Shank like Jonah Lomu over the Pommy stuff all those years ago?
Happens to the chicken-legged prick every game.....
Has to be the first dud I would trade once we get a descent recruiter in there.
2 good years out of 8
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We play a brand that is not high tackling.
Well guess what.
46 tackles to the dogs at half time.on the subiaco. 41 to weagles.
Our average 60.....
What a joke.
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We play a brand that is not high tackling.
Well guess what.
46 tackles to the dogs at half time.on the subiaco. 41 to weagles.
Our average 60.....
What a joke.
We're a corralling sort of side....