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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 05, 2016, 05:18:56 AM
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Field Marshal: Richmond’s tackling has been shocking the past 10 years
SAM EDMUND
Herald Sun
July 5, 2016
WE’D like to say Richmond has been bringing a knife to a gun fight, but it’s worse than that.
For a decade, the Tigers have been wielding feather dusters.
The Herald Sun can reveal Richmond has been the worst — and close to the worst — tackling side in the AFL for most of the last 10 years.
The astonishing lack of pressure and defensive intent, dating back to the Terry Wallace era and continuing well into Damien Hardwick’s reign, has continually sabotaged the Tigers’ finals aspirations.
Since 2007 Richmond has ranked last for tackles four times, second-last once and third-last once. Incredibly, its best league ranking in the last 10 seasons is 10th.
Of course, logic says if you’re winning the ball then tackle numbers will dwindle. But Richmond isn’t doing that either.
In the Tigers’ last two losses — to North Melbourne and Port Adelaide — they’ve been obliterated in both. Against the Kangaroos they lost contested ball by
15 and tackles by 36. Against the Power it was 17 contested ball and 41 tackles — the second-biggest differential in any game this year.
Tackling speaks to intensity and attitude. Sydney is the best tackling team in the competition and is a game off top spot. Hawthorn ranks fourth and is on top.
The irony is that, as a player, Hardwick was a gritty, aggressive back-flanker who would tackle a truck if he had to. One can only imagine his frustration at his side’s refusal to roll the sleeves up.
“I thought they outhunted us and were more physical around the contest than we were. We got beaten in those areas,” Hardwick said in Adelaide on Friday night.
In the Power disaster, 12 Richmond players had two tackles or less.
Dustin Martin had two, Brandon Ellis one, Brett Deledio one, Shane Edwards had one, Taylor Hunt one and Nick Vlastuin didn’t even lay one.
Martin averages 3.7 tackles a game in 2016. To put that into context, his contemporaries in the elite midfielder sphere — Gary Ablett (6.3 tackles a game),
Dan Hannebery (5.4) and Scott Pendlebury (5.1) — all show more desire to stop the opposition.
Martin is having a superb season and possesses an offensive threat matched by few, but surely behind closed doors Tigers officials lament his lack of defensive intent.
Ellis goes at only 2.7 tackles each week and another ball winner, Shaun Grigg, sits on 3.9. It’s nowhere near enough.
Wallace, the former Richmond coach-turned commentator, said Richmond “just aren’t playing with enough physicality”.
“My belief has always been the best sides take something away from their opposition. I don’t think Richmond do that; I don’t think Richmond take anything off the opposition,” Wallace told SEN.
“If you don’t come with physicality to your game you’re going to get beaten.”
CLUTCHING AT THIN AIR
Tigers’ tackle rankings
2007 — Last
2008 — Last
2009 — 11th
2010 — 12th
2011 — 15th
2012 — 10th
2013 — Last
2014 — 14th
2015 — 17th
2016 — Last
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/field-marshal-richmonds-tackling-has-been-shocking-the-past-10-years/news-story/0cab77379b440cf43e66a859bbcf6bb9
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Wallace, the former Richmond coach-turned commentator, said Richmond “just aren’t playing with enough physicality”.
2007 — Last
2008 — Last
2009 — 11th
Thanks Terry..........the lack of tackling started under you!
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Tigers have been soft since jon northey left the building.
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Tigers have been soft since jon northey left the building.
:clapping
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Tigers have been s h i t since jon northey left the building.
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Merge with (my) tackling thread
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No doubt Dimma has some excuse for it
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reckon the journos are trawling the richmond boards these days and rehashing threads and discussions that have been going on for a while amongst the supporter group
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Tigers have been soft since jon northey left the building.
Maybe we should bring him back! :bow
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I bet sydney won the tackle count in 2005 and 2006 when they were playing and winning with our slow game style.
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reckon the journos are trawling the richmond boards these days and rehashing threads and discussions that have been going on for a while amongst the supporter group
Yep, no coincidence all of our rants are now newspaper articles.
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reckon the journos are trawling the richmond boards these days and rehashing threads and discussions that have been going on for a while amongst the supporter group
Yep, no coincidence all of our rants are now newspaper articles.
Looking forward to a feature article about how Claw is always right and we're all idiots.
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reckon the journos are trawling the richmond boards these days and rehashing threads and discussions that have been going on for a while amongst the supporter group
Yep, no coincidence all of our rants are now newspaper articles.
Looking forward to a feature article about how Claw is always right and we're all idiots.
Claw saw this disaster happening 10 years ago.
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Its not all about tackle numbers but what constitutes an effective tackle. To me an effective tackle is holding an opposition player in a way that prevents them from disposing of the ball in a legal manner.
Very few tackles we lay during games achieve this and with a lack of trust in teammates to make the tackle we as a result have too many players drawn into the tackle so when the opposition player ultimately breaks the tackle they have a free player and a easy clearance.
Its not rocket science but again i dont know if its the cattle or the coaching but our execution of basic elements of the game are poor to say the least.
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reckon the journos are trawling the richmond boards these days and rehashing threads and discussions that have been going on for a while amongst the supporter group
Claws post history > war and peace
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Drop Shank & Grigg for Butler & Rioli and it should improve straight away.... :shh
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Its not all about tackle numbers but what constitutes an effective tackle. To me an effective tackle is holding an opposition player in a way that prevents them from disposing of the ball in a legal manner.
Very few tackles we lay during games achieve this and with a lack of trust in teammates to make the tackle we as a result have too many players drawn into the tackle so when the opposition player ultimately breaks the tackle they have a free player and a easy clearance.
Its not rocket science but again i dont know if its the cattle or the coaching but our execution of basic elements of the game are poor to say the least.
It's not hard to tackle. You have to genuinely want to, that's our problem. It's 100% a coaching issue.
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Its not all about tackle numbers but what constitutes an effective tackle. To me an effective tackle is holding an opposition player in a way that prevents them from disposing of the ball in a legal manner.
Very few tackles we lay during games achieve this and with a lack of trust in teammates to make the tackle we as a result have too many players drawn into the tackle so when the opposition player ultimately breaks the tackle they have a free player and a easy clearance.
Its not rocket science but again i dont know if its the cattle or the coaching but our execution of basic elements of the game are poor to say the least.
It's not hard to tackle. You have to genuinely want to, that's our problem. It's 100% a coaching issue.
100% correct. You can add that the coach can set minimum standards of numbers of effective tackles each player must perform in a game or block of games to remain in the side.
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Drop Shank & Grigg for Butler & Rioli and it should improve straight away.... :shh
: meme generator.
- wants titch dropped bad tackling
- reckons rioli tackles good
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We lack strong body players who can take it & dish it out. That is why our players look like they freeze when being tackled, Cause they have not the strength in their lower body to break free or dish it off like a example Shane Tuck. Some players were doing this when Tuck was at the club but stopped.
Rance is strong, Grimes is fearless & will go all in. Martin is strong & is the reason why he stands out in every game. Teams will just direct the ball away from where he is. They will make him go to the ball & use his energy & fight him when he gets there 2 on 1. He will soon run out of puff & need to interchange. We spend more energy than most teams. This is where teams will go through players like Miles, Deledio, Edwards, Cotchin, Bellis because they are weaker players in strength. Riewoldt is like Martin, His angry & wants the ball & goes to help, Protect & win the ball. But when he wins the ball their is no angry Riewoldt up forward to win the ball so this is a huge sign we are lacking angry ball winners in the wings & midfield. They are worn out sitting on the pine. They will pick Chaplin, Houli, Bachlor, rather than Grimes or Rance. You don't have to be any rocket science coach to work that out. It stands out year after year. While the Tigers build on speed each year which will win games against top clubs if you control the play. More often you will lose games against teams who will go out just to belt you up & wear the body down so your speed is no longer any factor. Bulldogs, Demons, Port, Crows, Roos, are all clubs who do this to the Tigers. How many times does Rance cop a knee to the kidney. Have many of you seen what these players are like after a game. This is a perfect example of clubs bashing us up to the point where your good players breakdown & the weaker bodies just ain't good enough to carry the side. The Kangaroos are the worst side in the league for doing this type of dirty tactics. The Bulldogs also. This is why teams fight our midfielders during the game 2-3 onto Cotchin & Miles on the boundry or mainly in the defence area & we get trapped in. Dusty can't fight them all to protect the captain & his other midfielders. Lambert, Edwards, Deledio, Bellis, need to start using some dirty tricks if they want to help the team. Its a team game & they are not playing, thinking, or protecting each other like a team. Same goes for the forward line. Riewoldt can't fight them all. Vickery, Griffiths, Lloyd must dish it out. Brandon Ellis used to be a player who done damage by being rough & tough. He is a shadow of the player he was in past seasons. Vickery, Griffiths, McBean need to protect the likes of Rioli, Lloyd. Edwards, Deledio, Cotchin & whoever else is resting up there. Last week we seen a harder Bellis but he needs to be more in the face of players. l expect a fierce Tiger side to come out Saturday night. l want to see the Tigers dish it out to these other clubs. They need to set a example that they are not the weak push over club :gotigers
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Drop Shank & Grigg for Butler & Rioli and it should improve straight away.... :shh
: meme generator.
- wants titch dropped bad tackling
- reckons rioli tackles good
Laid 12 tackles in the VFL last week - something Shank's never done at any level.....unless you count missed tackles....
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12 60 kg tackles like a teenage female
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If they were counted then the player was obviously still tackled.....and Rioli is 18 - Chicken Legs Edwards still tackles like a teenage girl at 27....
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I know how old they are
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reckon the journos are trawling the richmond boards these days and rehashing threads and discussions that have been going on for a while amongst the supporter group
Yep, no coincidence all of our rants are now newspaper articles.
Looking forward to a feature article about how Claw is always right and we're all idiots.
Only because the shoe fits.
I keep saying it sooner or later on most things most people come around to my way of thinking. :whistle
Have done similar to this before will say it again. We have 13 players who i would classify as genuine smls. That is under 183cm or 6ft in old speak. I d say most of the 13 are runts or just average afl size. I can only think of one in Drummond who i wouls say is a big bodied sml.
13 Smalls That is getting close to a third of the list.
None are A grade and nearly all fail to bring an outstanding attribute or two to off set their size.
We look like school boys in games because we have so many smalls and so many skinny runts.
To compound the problem there are at least a dozen other types mediums and talls that are way under sized.
Mediums in Grigg, Lennon,Hunt, Markov, C Ellis, Menadue.
Talls Broad, Grimes, McBean, Chol, C Moore even Vickery. It has been a very evident thing for god knows how long.
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If they were counted then the player was obviously still tackled.....and Rioli is 18 - Chicken Legs Edwards still tackles like a teenage girl at 27....
l would trade Edwards. His been there 10 years & seriously has had maybe 1 consistent season. His not a midfielder & should be kept in the forward line as he plays his best football there. Lloyd has had a bigger impact in a short time
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If they were counted then the player was obviously still tackled.....and Rioli is 18 - Chicken Legs Edwards still tackles like a teenage girl at 27....
l would trade Edwards. His been there 10 years & seriously has had maybe 1 consistent season. His not a midfielder & should be kept in the forward line as he plays his best football there. Lloyd has had a bigger impact in a short time
While i agree wholeheartedly i would not go there if i were you.Besides as a sml fwd he has been crap apart from one short golden period.
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when does macca come back
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McIntosh is a shocking tackler, particulary for his size....
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McIntosh is a shocking tackler, particulary for his size....
Yeah thats a strnage one bc hes got a very strong core, can see when he just bursts through opposition tackles. If I was to hazard a guess its lack of technique bc hes a strong lad
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Martin had the same issues, busted tackles but was crap at laying them.
It does come down to technique, but as has been said, it is intent. Good tacklers want to tackle, they dont do it just because the coach says you have to lay X amount per game..
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anyone see gunston lay that tackle last night which resulted in a HTB and goal to him.
FMD dead has anyone and i mean anyone on here seen our boys tackle like that in the last 20 years.
stuff they are a good team that mob.
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yep correct both of you - sydney doing the same tonight, relentless
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Our players are mostly too slow to tackle. They get one lazy hand on a jumper at best most of the time, and look like they lack grip strength to hold on, those who do don't know how to use their bodies after that. Surely they do grapple training and body weight stuff to build grip strength...Rioli gets it, torques with his body weight twisting their hips and shoulders with his grip on the wrist and hip. Take the centre, standard Aikido and Judo and probably every other throwing and grappling martial art for controlling the opponent.
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Maybe we should get one of these to practice with. (https://s31.postimg.org/4hyzqgeh7/image.jpg)
No no, you're doing it wrong :facepalm
(https://s31.postimg.org/q4abw90wb/image.jpg)
Dimma will show them how......
(https://s31.postimg.org/hzesbnrjv/image.jpg)
:help
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Put a jumper on it lol
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Numbers were up, which was pleasing, but techniques are still poor....still failed to prevent the handball on far too many occasions...
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Funny that it always take the media to point out flaws of our club. Can they do it every week. Tackling pressure was much better this week.
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Im sure they'll get the riot act read to them during the week to fix that quick smart - "I said Corral not tackle! where's Ty?! he knows what its about!"