One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Harry on July 06, 2016, 08:54:49 AM
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A major shake up to our board is required as they have demonstrated they are unable to take us to our next flag. After 10 years of them in charge we are no closer to a premiership. We as members need to call for change. No football director relying on a football manager with no experience. Extending Hardwicks contract after 3 consecutive EF humiliations when there was no rush to do so now finds us in a position where we need to pay out his contract. Inability to get the jod done when chasing big name players. Excuses and hiding behind the screen of stability. The board is stale and lacks direction, ruthlessness and football nous to get us seriously competitive on the park. The fish rots at the head - time for change.
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:clapping
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cant get rid of penny and benny hill they have done such a great job
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While I can see your viewpoint I really must take exception to a few facts you (and others on the Dunstall threads) have ignored.
We have a very experienced Football Director in Tony Free.
Now you can say that he is not providing much, especially since March rapped him over the knuckles following his critical interview some years ago, but by all objective facts he would meet a lot of the criteria - former captain, dual B&F winner.
While it is true that Richardson has no experience as a club Football Manager, he does have a resume that points to a skill set required to perform the role.
Dan is a strong member of the Tiger family with his father Barry a premiership player (67,69,74), coach (77/8) and President (85). Barry is also a Richmond Hall of Fame member.
Dan has experience as a player with 6 premierships in the VAFA.
Dan was a leading player agent including serving on the Agent Accreditation panel.
He was for over a decade involved with the major player management firms Elite Sports Properties where he was eventually a director and head of their football department.
Now you can be critical of the board's actions (and I have been, including nominations committee, constitutional changes and general board member manipulations plus staff appointments) to say that we do not have a director with football experience is totally wrong. Now there seems to be a general disquiet around the board not having come out and publicly shown stronger direction (ie change) and I understand that but I really, really don't want a free-for-all with various directors publicly lobbying for a wide range of changes and cutting each other and staff throats. A lot of the disquiet I feel is the press trying to generate internal ructions at Richmond to sell papers and, to the credit of the board, not succeeding.
Likewise to say that our current Football Manager has no experience given his Richmond family, playing and player management history as well as experience as a manager is to ignore his skills outside a narrow focus on having done the exact same job before.
Having said previously that I do not want a public free-for-all, I do think that Benny Gale should come out and publicly defend Richardson like I've done here.
I also think Peggy O'Neal should come out and defend her board members, particularly Free and the efforts to turn around the club financially with special mention of PRO development and increased membership and general fan support.
I think this is a prime chance for the club to get on the front foot and as aggressively as they want, defend their own and stake out their territory. (might even be bloody good for morale)
WE ARE RICHMOND.
You attack one of us, you attack all of us and we will fight back, tooth and nail.
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Tony Free is part of the history & tradition and finance committees.
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While I can see your viewpoint I really must take exception to a few facts you (and others on the Dunstall threads) have ignored.
We have a very experienced Football Director in Tony Free.
Now you can say that he is not providing much, especially since March rapped him over the knuckles following his critical interview some years ago, but by all objective facts he would meet a lot of the criteria - former captain, dual B&F winner.
While it is true that Richardson has no experience as a club Football Manager, he does have a resume that points to a skill set required to perform the role.
Dan is a strong member of the Tiger family with his father Barry a premiership player (67,69,74), coach (77/8) and President (85). Barry is also a Richmond Hall of Fame member.
Dan has experience as a player with 6 premierships in the VAFA.
Dan was a leading player agent including serving on the Agent Accreditation panel.
He was for over a decade involved with the major player management firms Elite Sports Properties where he was eventually a director and head of their football department.
Now you can be critical of the board's actions (and I have been, including nominations committee, constitutional changes and general board member manipulations plus staff appointments) to say that we do not have a director with football experience is totally wrong. Now there seems to be a general disquiet around the board not having come out and publicly shown stronger direction (ie change) and I understand that but I really, really don't want a free-for-all with various directors publicly lobbying for a wide range of changes and cutting each other and staff throats. A lot of the disquiet I feel is the press trying to generate internal ructions at Richmond to sell papers and, to the credit of the board, not succeeding.
Likewise to say that our current Football Manager has no experience given his Richmond family, playing and player management history as well as experience as a manager is to ignore his skills outside a narrow focus on having done the exact same job before.
Having said previously that I do not want a public free-for-all, I do think that Benny Gale should come out and publicly defend Richardson like I've done here.
I also think Peggy O'Neal should come out and defend her board members, particularly Free and the efforts to turn around the club financially with special mention of PRO development and increased membership and general fan support.
I think this is a prime chance for the club to get on the front foot and as aggressively as they want, defend their own and stake out their territory. (might even be bloody good for morale)
WE ARE RICHMOND.
You attack one of us, you attack all of us and we will fight back, tooth and nail.
This board is leading us down the road to ruin and if anyone criticises them we are attacking the club???????????
Are you delusional? Redan any board is open to scrutiny, more so when we are underperforming which we are this year.
Trying to bully posters into not criticising the board means you have no answer to the criticisms Harry has raised all you did was trot out their C.V.'s
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RT obviously finds it difficult to differentiate between the club and it's employees - quite a common affliction amongst our supporter base...
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Correct. We have given them the privilege of running our club and it's our responsibility to replace them if they are not performing. The supporters and members and the history are the club.
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While I can see your viewpoint I really must take exception to a few facts you (and others on the Dunstall threads) have ignored.
We have a very experienced Football Director in Tony Free.
Now you can say that he is not providing much, especially since March rapped him over the knuckles following his critical interview some years ago, but by all objective facts he would meet a lot of the criteria - former captain, dual B&F winner.
While it is true that Richardson has no experience as a club Football Manager, he does have a resume that points to a skill set required to perform the role.
Dan is a strong member of the Tiger family with his father Barry a premiership player (67,69,74), coach (77/8) and President (85). Barry is also a Richmond Hall of Fame member.
Dan has experience as a player with 6 premierships in the VAFA.
Dan was a leading player agent including serving on the Agent Accreditation panel.
He was for over a decade involved with the major player management firms Elite Sports Properties where he was eventually a director and head of their football department.
Now you can be critical of the board's actions (and I have been, including nominations committee, constitutional changes and general board member manipulations plus staff appointments) to say that we do not have a director with football experience is totally wrong. Now there seems to be a general disquiet around the board not having come out and publicly shown stronger direction (ie change) and I understand that but I really, really don't want a free-for-all with various directors publicly lobbying for a wide range of changes and cutting each other and staff throats. A lot of the disquiet I feel is the press trying to generate internal ructions at Richmond to sell papers and, to the credit of the board, not succeeding.
Likewise to say that our current Football Manager has no experience given his Richmond family, playing and player management history as well as experience as a manager is to ignore his skills outside a narrow focus on having done the exact same job before.
Having said previously that I do not want a public free-for-all, I do think that Benny Gale should come out and publicly defend Richardson like I've done here.
I also think Peggy O'Neal should come out and defend her board members, particularly Free and the efforts to turn around the club financially with special mention of PRO development and increased membership and general fan support.
I think this is a prime chance for the club to get on the front foot and as aggressively as they want, defend their own and stake out their territory. (might even be bloody good for morale)
WE ARE RICHMOND.
You attack one of us, you attack all of us and we will fight back, tooth and nail.
And yet despite all this experience and supposed skill sets, decisions keep being made that cost the club success (many which dont pass the common sense test to the average fan on the street).
As for Dan Richardson, the sooner hes gone the better. Refer to my signiture below for his quote.
Boy oh boy. >:(
I could say more, but ill summarise. You and your opinion piece and the majority your incompetent mates within the club can go to hell.
Your Richmond is not Richmond. Your Richmond is meaningless KPI's, achievements not relating to premierships, excuses, jobs for mates and a participation trophy for all.
The true Richmond is a successful Richmond, and a Richmond which belongs to the fans. And certainly not one which puts up with, scripts and plays the members with excuses.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the CEO on the board? I would have thought Benny's 200 odd games count.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the CEO on the board? I would have thought Benny's 200 odd games count.
Yes he is now
Allowed to be since the constitutional changes a few years back.
For that one we can indeed blame the members ;D
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I was really intrigued by the appointment of Peggy as president filled with optimism of diversity from a gender and international experience point of view.
However as time goes on I can't honestly say I've been impressed with Peggy in how she has handled things publicly, how she has represented the club or lack thereof. We are the biggest, if not one of the biggest, sporting clubs in the country and yet our President is absolutely non existent in the public eye. As a long serving member, my opinion is that this isn't good enough. I feel so disconnected to our club compared to previous boards, what our club direction is and what the board stands for. All I can remember is the marketing spin of 3-0-75. Yet we read what other club's direction is in papers and open rebuilding discussions.
The media have free reign at our club battering it to pillar and post. Peggy is rarely seen defending or promoting our club. Compare this to other clubs and how much exposure their Presidents give their club it's an embarrassing difference.
Too many things at RFC just aren't good enough.
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I was really intrigued by the appointment of Peggy as president filled with optimism of diversity from a gender and international experience point of view.
However as time goes on I can't honestly say I've been impressed with Peggy in how she has handled things publicly, how she has represented the club or lack thereof. We are the biggest, if not one of the biggest, sporting clubs in the country and yet our President is absolutely non existent in the public eye. As a long serving member, my opinion is that this isn't good enough. I feel so disconnected to our club compared to previous boards, what our club direction is and what the board stands for. All I can remember is the marketing spin of 3-0-75. Yet we read what other club's direction is in papers and open rebuilding discussions.
The media have free reign at our club battering it to pillar and post. Peggy is rarely seen defending or promoting our club. Compare this to other clubs and how much exposure their Presidents give their club it's an embarrassing difference.
Too many things at RFC just aren't good enough.
Are you referring to the supporters
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While it is true that Richardson has no experience as a club Football Manager. he does have a resume that points to a skill set required to perform the role.
Dan is a strong member of the Tiger family with his father Barry a premiership player (67,69,74), coach (77/8) and President (85). Barry is also a Richmond Hall of Fame member.
Dan has experience as a player with 6 premierships in the VAFA.
Dan was a leading player agent including serving on the Agent Accreditation panel.
He was for over a decade involved with the major player management firms Elite Sports Properties where he was eventually a director and head of their football department.
Say it how you want this was a terrible appointment at the time and still is and your first line says it all.
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We should have brought in Balmy and had Dan below him.
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Wasn't that long ago Joe Russo challenged for a position on the board,at the time what he said made sense.
I hate to cost the club money but in the end it will be a cheap expense that will instil the fresh ideas we require to win a premiership,” said Russo, whose company Caydon is developing the Nylex site in nearby Cremorne.
“And that’s why I nominated before the closing time of 6pm yesterday because I want a premiership. I think we as members deserve a premiership given the loyalty we have shown.
“There are a few people who have been on the Richmond board for a very long time and it’s also a very one-dimensional board given the number of accountancy and legal backgrounds.
“I think a healthy board requires a mix of professional backgrounds, including people like me who come from an entrepreneurial business angle.”
Russo was at pains to highlight his challenge, which will be outlined online, would not become personal and that he believed the club was doing plenty right.
“I think the board has done well in many areas and that we have an excellent coach. But I also feel that to go to the next we require new energy.
“That starts at the top and I think a change at board level will help that process. I was aged nine when we won our last Premiership and that is just way too long.”
Property developer Joe Russo nominates for Richmond board (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/property-developer-joe-russo-nominates-for-richmond-board/news-story/7497a595c1b4a0597d8f6345a916d97e)
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Dont forget his comments about Hardwick being a good coach/doing a good job
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Dont forget his comments about Hardwick being a good coach/doing a good job
Was the only thing that was off that he said and considering the timing and the process involved probably needed to say it as to not rock the boat to much.
Everything else though is spot on and you just get the feeling he wasn't interested in being another YES man.
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Wasn't that long ago Joe Russo challenged for a position on the board,at the time what he said made sense.
I hate to cost the club money but in the end it will be a cheap expense that will instil the fresh ideas we require to win a premiership,” said Russo, whose company Caydon is developing the Nylex site in nearby Cremorne.
“And that’s why I nominated before the closing time of 6pm yesterday because I want a premiership. I think we as members deserve a premiership given the loyalty we have shown.
“There are a few people who have been on the Richmond board for a very long time and it’s also a very one-dimensional board given the number of accountancy and legal backgrounds.
“I think a healthy board requires a mix of professional backgrounds, including people like me who come from an entrepreneurial business angle.”
Russo was at pains to highlight his challenge, which will be outlined online, would not become personal and that he believed the club was doing plenty right.
“I think the board has done well in many areas and that we have an excellent coach. But I also feel that to go to the next we require new energy.
“That starts at the top and I think a change at board level will help that process. I was aged nine when we won our last Premiership and that is just way too long.”
Property developer Joe Russo nominates for Richmond board (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/property-developer-joe-russo-nominates-for-richmond-board/news-story/7497a595c1b4a0597d8f6345a916d97e)
Ah well said son. Some around here did argue for the two new incumbents to be appointed for exactly those reasons or was that on other sites.It was only last year wasn't i??
The club influenced that vote as well.Boys looking after the boys.
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Did you vote Claw?
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Did you vote Claw?
Only members can vote 😉
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Would just like to say that compared to the Ramps threads of board revolution that this thread really sucks and is lame
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Those that are after change can support Leon.
The unrest at Richmond is set to escalate with a long-time member launching a website to gain support for change at the very top.
www.richmondrollercoaster.com.au
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The board as it exists, has sucked the life out of all things football and markets the club as nothing more than a brand in co-existence with their affiliated, political corporations, such as White Ribbon in this instance, all the while adhering to the adage, Stability in mediocrity, as they take their annual slice.
Long live Punt Road brothel.
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The board as it exists, has sucked the life out of all things football and markets the club as nothing more than a brand in co-existence with their affiliated, political corporations, such as White Ribbon in this instance, all the while adhering to the adage, Stability in mediocrity, as they take their annual slice.
Long live Punt Road brothel.
Long live the punt road brothel, where the members are the prostitutes and we pay to get pounded.
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brothel
noun
a house where men visit prostitutes.
synonyms: bordello, house of ill repute, house of prostitution; disorderly house; maison close; informalwhorehouse, cathouse, drum; informalknocking shop; informalcreep joint; informalcrib; euphemisticmassage parlour; archaicbawdy house, house of ill fame, bagnio, stew
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:gotigers
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The board as it exists, has sucked the life out of all things football and markets the club as nothing more than a brand in co-existence with their affiliated, political corporations, such as White Ribbon in this instance, all the while adhering to the adage, Stability in mediocrity, as they take their annual slice.
Long live Punt Road brothel.
Sorry to break it to you but club has NO affiliation with White Ribbon.
Only charity they have a relationship with the Alannah & Madiline Foundation.and please don't bag them for that.
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Those that are after change can support Leon.
The unrest at Richmond is set to escalate with a long-time member launching a website to gain support for change at the very top.
www.richmondrollercoaster.com.au
WTF is he actually doing?
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Those that are after change can support Leon.
The unrest at Richmond is set to escalate with a long-time member launching a website to gain support for change at the very top.
www.richmondrollercoaster.com.au
WTF is he actually doing?
Trying to gather support to initiate change to the board. Could be gathering candidates to challenge. Has indicated more will be revealed soon but needs people to register if they are not satisfied with the current board and want change.
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LMAO
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Those that are after change can support Leon.
The unrest at Richmond is set to escalate with a long-time member launching a website to gain support for change at the very top.
www.richmondrollercoaster.com.au
WTF is he actually doing?
Trying to gather support to initiate change to the board. Could be gathering candidates to challenge. Has indicated more will be revealed soon but needs people to register if they are not satisfied with the current board and want change.
In other words, you dont really know, and most likely neither does he.
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Those that are after change can support Leon.
The unrest at Richmond is set to escalate with a long-time member launching a website to gain support for change at the very top.
www.richmondrollercoaster.com.au
WTF is he actually doing?
He is list building, lead generation tactic for marketing propaganda purposes.
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Those that are after change can support Leon.
The unrest at Richmond is set to escalate with a long-time member launching a website to gain support for change at the very top.
www.richmondrollercoaster.com.au
WTF is he actually doing?
Trying to gather support to initiate change to the board. Could be gathering candidates to challenge. Has indicated more will be revealed soon but needs people to register if they are not satisfied with the current board and want change.
In other words, you dont really know, and most likely neither does he.
From what I can gather seems he's putting a team together to challenge the board. More will come to light and people will find out more I'm hearing. You can always do nothing if you're happy with the lack of direction and poor decisions of the current board. Alot of us want to know what alternative there many be to help take us forward.
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yet we dont know what that alternative is, do we?
seriously, is he hoping to put his ticket together from those who sign up on his website?
This is the alternative?
No substance, no plan, no nothing.
Does he even know the options available and how to implement them?
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Aren't there any extremely wealthy highly connected person with an uncompromising commitment to success, an uncanny ability to recruit or attract the best people that have the same uncompromising commitment to perform with excellence with a fanatical resolve to succeed and that can singlehandedly change the culture of the club that could be our president?
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One thing that's always put us behind the other three of the big four - never really had the support of the big end of town, no high profile sugar daddies to just throw money at us or pay out dud coaches and poach good ones. Not a club of the establishment. Closest we came was with the Turk but of course he upped & died just as he was about to splash the cash. The luck of Richmond.
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:clapping
Good post. The collective intelligence ranks with most NRL clubs.
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yet we dont know what that alternative is, do we?
seriously, is he hoping to put his ticket together from those who sign up on his website?
This is the alternative?
No substance, no plan, no nothing.
Does he even know the options available and how to implement them?
This is just the start of the process. More will be revealed. The way I see it is hes probably got the bulk of a team assembled but giving people the opportunity to apply to help bring in the best possible people. Once it's revealed you can decide for yourself. This isn't a case of an angry supporter causing trouble with no clear plan.
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Im so excited, I just cant hide it, Im about to lose control and I think I like it
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Im so excited, I just cant hide it, Im about to lose control and I think I like it
Lol. Didn't realize you were into the Pointer Sisters Chucky!
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Im so excited, I just cant hide it, Im about to lose control and I think I like it
LMAO
yet we dont know what that alternative is, do we?
seriously, is he hoping to put his ticket together from those who sign up on his website?
This is the alternative?
No substance, no plan, no nothing.
Does he even know the options available and how to implement them?
This is just the start of the process. More will be revealed. The way I see it is hes probably got the bulk of a team assembled but giving people the opportunity to apply to help bring in the best possible people. Once it's revealed you can decide for yourself. This isn't a case of an angry supporter causing trouble with no clear plan.
again you dont know you are just quessing.
It seems he is either flying by the seat of his pants, or ir running it like an election campaigne.
- tell em as little as needed and drip feed info through out the campaign.
-spend more of the time convincing the sheep that the others are more poo than you
either way doesn't inspire confidence.
go find someone that has definite plan and has the people they need on board before they go public.
If this bloke had any clue that website would have all this in place and a way for members to officially register their support for a vote of no confidence in the current board.
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As I said you can stick with the current mob and enjoy the lofty heights of EF losses. After all, we've been so poo that we should be thankful to the current board for these achievements. Lock them in for another 10 years.
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As I said you can stick with the current mob and enjoy the lofty heights of EF losses. After all, we've been so poo that we should be thankful to the current board for these achievements. Lock them in for another 10 years.
Or you can go with possibly worse because we have NFI who they are and what plans they have......
I'm not a great advocate of the current regime but hell, the alternative group should have at least a plan and a group we can identify.... :whistle
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I've said this many times over the years
I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none
But....
I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.
I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.
Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew
Have to offer alot more than that
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Just read the replies to my post.
Funny if not ironic.
A thread about changes to the Board.
I was one of the few who voted against the changes to the constitution that allows the board to appoint a third of directors.
The vote against the changes was SEVEN against of whom I personally know of four, WP and myself included.
So my question to Harry, yandb, Diocletian and Dooks - which way did you vote on the constitutional changes?
If you did not vote against them then you have at the least agreed with and condoned the changes the board made to limit the power of members to select the board.
To the point of my previous post I felt the criticism was unreasonable and untrue. We have experienced football people on the board in Free and Gale. I think that the idea of a dedicated football director can be dangerous. If only the football director has oversight of the football department then it can lead to a single vision for the future. I much prefer the entire board to be involved in our core purpose. I also resent the idea that an outsider in Dunstall can make criticisms of our club that I felt were unreasonable if not untrue.
Are you delusional? Redan any board is open to scrutiny, more so when we are underperforming which we are this year.
Trying to bully posters into not criticising the board means you have no answer to the criticisms Harry has raised all you did was trot out their C.V.'s
I agree any board should be open to scrutiny. Our's is less open than it was. As above - how did you vote to make it less open?
I think this is the first time I have ever been accused of defending the board but I guess there's a first for everything.
"Criticising the board". I think I've got a pretty good record of doing that myself so I hope nobody is influenced by me not to do so themselves. Go for it. there's enough there without reaching for reasons that are unfair.
"No football director" I directly pointed to Free as a director with football experience.
"Football manager with no experience" I directly pointed to Richardson's experience as a player and agent.
"Hardwick extension" I agree with the criticism but it's a deal done by a board supported by the membership.
"Failure to get a big name" I agree with the criticism but don't know the inner dealings enough to comment further.
"Stale, lacks direction, ruthlessness and football nous" Yeah I'd agree with all that.
I have posted, either here or on another forum, about what I saw as the corruption of appointing two new directors one month before the AGM to avoid an election. No support.
The whole point about "trotting out their CV's" is that is what you should directly base a staffing decision on. What else do you base it on if not their CV?
RT obviously finds it difficult to differentiate between the club and it's employees - quite a common affliction amongst our supporter base...
Nope. Have criticised employees quite often and have no difficulty doing so. Encourage others to do the same but I do recognise, belatedly I admit, that sometimes you just can't do a damn thing about it. The vast majority just roll along and accept what they get until it starts to really hurt. Then they tend to thrash around and vent about how it's got to stop and lets tear the walls down.
The thing about all this angst is that I have criticised many aspects of our club, particularly our board's actions for over ten years (mainly on another forum), and it was frustration at the lack of response that caused me to join this forum. Ironic that I would at this late stage be accused of defending the Richmond board.
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I've said this many times over the years
I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none
But....
I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.
I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.
Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew
Have to offer alot more than that
Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution. The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path. They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve. Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.
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Harry I think their biggest problem is that their collective memory is rooted in the removal of Wallace.
Remember that at that time there was a large group of players who were so openly against the senior coach that Newman and King went to him and effectively asked him to resign.
I think they were completely caught off guard, particularly when another group of mainly senior players said they couldn't see what the problem was.
This means that a general feeling among the players that they are happy with Hardwick has got them in a bind and unwilling to make any change that may risk rocking the boat.
Remember also that any change increases the pressure on the board to deliver an improvement.
To paraphrase the quote - Better to be thought inept than to make a change and remove all doubt.
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Ah yes, the Wallace removal. Thanks for bringing that up. The board was so oblivious to what was going on that it took king newman and Johnson to remove Wallace when we were a shambles. Again, virtually same board, no finger on the pulse, completely reactive, oblivious.
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Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution. The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path. They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve. Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.
While i agree understanding what the problems are is the first step in finding a solution
But and this was my point, over the past 10 odd years, everyone who's tried to get on the board via an election has only ever bothered to tell us what we all know, that is what the issues are. None of them have every put up an alternative, a solution. None of them gives us their plan, none actually bother to tell us what they will bring eg extra sponsorship.
Last year Mr Russo said he'd bring us a flag but couldn't tell anyone how he was going to do it because let's face it he couldn't. But at the same time said Hardwick was a good coach.
BTW the Redan makes a massively importnat point about our constitution and the changes pushed through by Benny and the Board a few years back. People followed Benny. I was there thwt night and so as he said it was the way to go hands went up quicker than you can say Go Tiges
Then you have the People who didn't bother to turn up to that AGM and vote or didn't vote via proxy now complaining amd demanding change. But seem to conveniently forget the way our board is now structured is due to the membership.
Perhaps if members hadnt been so foolish back then the board would be accountable than they have been
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I've said this many times over the years
I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none
But....
I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.
I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.
Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew
Have to offer alot more than that
Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution. The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path. They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve. Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.
Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.
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The first inkling that there was an issue to most of us members was the rushed extension to Hardwick's contract.
This started members to dig a bit further on the conduct of our current board.
While the current board had performed adequately there seemed to be a stagnation and lack of drive to lift the bar.
Some of the social agenda's being pushed make you wonder if a premiership is first and foremost in their minds.
I will be interested to see if any outstanding candidates put their hands up this year.
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As I said you can stick with the current mob and enjoy the lofty heights of EF losses. After all, we've been so poo that we should be thankful to the current board for these achievements. Lock them in for another 10 years.
such a george bush mentality reply.
you seem to think this bloke offers something. convince us with a plan?
stuffing dumb sheep who get sucked in by those who can appeal to their disenfranchisement, lay blame on someone else, yet offer nothing in terms of how to fix things.
this is why Churchill said that if you want to understand the problem with democracy, spend 5 minutes with the average voter
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As I said you can stick with the current mob and enjoy the lofty heights of EF losses. After all, we've been so poo that we should be thankful to the current board for these achievements. Lock them in for another 10 years.
such a george bush mentality reply.
you seem to think this bloke offers something. convince us with a plan?
stuffing dumb sheep who get sucked in by those who can appeal to their disenfranchisement, lay blame on someone else, yet offer nothing in terms of how to fix things.
this is why Churchill said that if you want to understand the problem with democracy, spend 5 minutes with the average voter
probably true. Russo or anyone dont really have a vision yet, but then again do the current board with the decisions they have made.
did you vote for the current board?
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As I said you can stick with the current mob and enjoy the lofty heights of EF losses. After all, we've been so poo that we should be thankful to the current board for these achievements. Lock them in for another 10 years.
such a george bush mentality reply.
you seem to think this bloke offers something. convince us with a plan?
stuffing dumb sheep who get sucked in by those who can appeal to their disenfranchisement, lay blame on someone else, yet offer nothing in terms of how to fix things.
this is why Churchill said that if you want to understand the problem with democracy, spend 5 minutes with the average voter
probably true. Russo or anyone dont really have a vision yet, but then again do the current board with the decisions they have made.
did you vote for the current board?
I didn't think Russo was trying to overthrow the board, thought he just wanted to add some diversity to it.
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As I said you can stick with the current mob and enjoy the lofty heights of EF losses. After all, we've been so poo that we should be thankful to the current board for these achievements. Lock them in for another 10 years.
such a george bush mentality reply.
you seem to think this bloke offers something. convince us with a plan?
stuffing dumb sheep who get sucked in by those who can appeal to their disenfranchisement, lay blame on someone else, yet offer nothing in terms of how to fix things.
this is why Churchill said that if you want to understand the problem with democracy, spend 5 minutes with the average voter
probably true. Russo or anyone dont really have a vision yet, but then again do the current board with the decisions they have made.
did you vote for the current board?
I believe that if i am going to cast a vote, it should be an informed decision. You cant make an informed decision based on spin, which is all we had.
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I've said this many times over the years
I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none
But....
I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.
I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.
Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew
Have to offer alot more than that
Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution. The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path. They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve. Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.
Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.
DO we really need to speak to them. Actions speak louder than words ,or in our boards case on so many things non actions.
Just read this forum and every other forum and you will see it is virtually the same things being talked about yr upon yr.
If the board has had an idea of what is going on then they certainly are guilty of delusion or worse sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
People talk as if what happening is a new thing it has been happening for years and not one person has put their hand yup to take responsibility.
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I've said this many times over the years
I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none
But....
I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.
I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.
Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew
Have to offer alot more than that
Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution. The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path. They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve. Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.
Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.
DO we really need to speak to them. Actions speak louder than words ,or in our boards case on so many things non actions.
Just read this forum and every other forum and you will see it is virtually the same things being talked about yr upon yr.
If the board has had an idea of what is going on then they certainly are guilty of delusion or worse sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
People talk as if what happening is a new thing it has been happening for years and not one person has put their hand yup to take responsibility.
Unfortunately for us, the relative "success" of making finals (but not winning any) made the board feel we were on the right track. They felt again, rightly or wrongly, that it was a personnel issue in the playing ranks that led us to our last unsuccessful assault. They were told that with a turnover of a few on the list and the promotion of some youngsters the paying group would hold firm this year with an improvement next year. Unfortunately they did not foresee injuries to Deledio and the complete non appearance of Yarran. With Grimes out again, Conca out again, an injury to McKintosh and no Yarran, their whole backline plans collapsed at the start of the season. Add glandular fever to Lennon and each player they had earmarked for running the ball out was unavailable.
So the board made the mistake of backing their coaching panel, which is not a mistake - it's their job. The mistake that was made was signing up Hardwick for a further 2 years which could have waited for the end of the season IMHO. At the most, he should only have been given 1 year.
The club is still reeling from comments made by Bomber Thompson when he rejected the job because he said he did not like how the club operated - i.e. sacking coaches continuously. We have now gone too far the other way. Way too far.
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I've said this many times over the years
I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none
But....
I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.
I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.
Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew
Have to offer alot more than that
Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution. The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path. They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve. Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.
Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.
DO we really need to speak to them. Actions speak louder than words ,or in our boards case on so many things non actions.
Just read this forum and every other forum and you will see it is virtually the same things being talked about yr upon yr.
If the board has had an idea of what is going on then they certainly are guilty of delusion or worse sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
People talk as if what happening is a new thing it has been happening for years and not one person has put their hand yup to take responsibility.
Unfortunately for us, the relative "success" of making finals (but not winning any) made the board feel we were on the right track. They felt again, rightly or wrongly, that it was a personnel issue in the playing ranks that led us to our last unsuccessful assault. They were told that with a turnover of a few on the list and the promotion of some youngsters the paying group would hold firm this year with an improvement next year. Unfortunately they did not foresee injuries to Deledio and the complete non appearance of Yarran. With Grimes out again, Conca out again, an injury to McKintosh and no Yarran, their whole backline plans collapsed at the start of the season. Add glandular fever to Lennon and each player they had earmarked for running the ball out was unavailable.
So the board made the mistake of backing their coaching panel, which is not a mistake - it's their job. The mistake that was made was signing up Hardwick for a further 2 years which could have waited for the end of the season IMHO. At the most, he should only have been given 1 year.
The club is still reeling from comments made by Bomber Thompson when he rejected the job because he said he did not like how the club operated - i.e. sacking coaches continuously. We have now gone too far the other way. Way too far.
Tell someone who gives a stuff. At the end of the day they have shown they have no idea.They have shown they have no idea for how many years on end yet fools yr on yr defend them.
If these guys were in charge of your super fund you would be ropeable yet because its footy your willing to forgive all and sundry.
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I've said this many times over the years
I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none
But....
I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.
I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.
Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew
Have to offer alot more than that
Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution. The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path. They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve. Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.
Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.
DO we really need to speak to them. Actions speak louder than words ,or in our boards case on so many things non actions.
Just read this forum and every other forum and you will see it is virtually the same things being talked about yr upon yr.
If the board has had an idea of what is going on then they certainly are guilty of delusion or worse sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
People talk as if what happening is a new thing it has been happening for years and not one person has put their hand yup to take responsibility.
Unfortunately for us, the relative "success" of making finals (but not winning any) made the board feel we were on the right track. They felt again, rightly or wrongly, that it was a personnel issue in the playing ranks that led us to our last unsuccessful assault. They were told that with a turnover of a few on the list and the promotion of some youngsters the paying group would hold firm this year with an improvement next year. Unfortunately they did not foresee injuries to Deledio and the complete non appearance of Yarran. With Grimes out again, Conca out again, an injury to McKintosh and no Yarran, their whole backline plans collapsed at the start of the season. Add glandular fever to Lennon and each player they had earmarked for running the ball out was unavailable.
So the board made the mistake of backing their coaching panel, which is not a mistake - it's their job. The mistake that was made was signing up Hardwick for a further 2 years which could have waited for the end of the season IMHO. At the most, he should only have been given 1 year.
The club is still reeling from comments made by Bomber Thompson when he rejected the job because he said he did not like how the club operated - i.e. sacking coaches continuously. We have now gone too far the other way. Way too far.
Tell someone who gives a stuff. At the end of the day they have shown they have no idea.They have shown they have no idea for how many years on end yet fools yr on yr defend them.
If these guys were in charge of your super fund you would be ropeable yet because its footy your willing to forgive all and sundry.
I assume you do give a stuff as we all do here. If you didn't, you wouldn't waste your time posting.
As for the super, they've actually done a good job on the finances of the club in the last 10 years. So from a money point of view they haven't been that bad. On the ability to get the right team of coaches and players they have failed. The results speak for themselves.
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I've said this many times over the years
I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none
But....
I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.
I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.
Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew
Have to offer alot more than that
Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution. The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path. They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve. Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.
Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.
DO we really need to speak to them. Actions speak louder than words ,or in our boards case on so many things non actions.
Just read this forum and every other forum and you will see it is virtually the same things being talked about yr upon yr.
If the board has had an idea of what is going on then they certainly are guilty of delusion or worse sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
People talk as if what happening is a new thing it has been happening for years and not one person has put their hand yup to take responsibility.
spot on.
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I've said this many times over the years
I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none
But....
I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.
I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.
Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew
Have to offer alot more than that
Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution. The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path. They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve. Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.
Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.
DO we really need to speak to them. Actions speak louder than words ,or in our boards case on so many things non actions.
Just read this forum and every other forum and you will see it is virtually the same things being talked about yr upon yr.
If the board has had an idea of what is going on then they certainly are guilty of delusion or worse sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
People talk as if what happening is a new thing it has been happening for years and not one person has put their hand yup to take responsibility.
Unfortunately for us, the relative "success" of making finals (but not winning any) made the board feel we were on the right track. They felt again, rightly or wrongly, that it was a personnel issue in the playing ranks that led us to our last unsuccessful assault. They were told that with a turnover of a few on the list and the promotion of some youngsters the paying group would hold firm this year with an improvement next year. Unfortunately they did not foresee injuries to Deledio and the complete non appearance of Yarran. With Grimes out again, Conca out again, an injury to McKintosh and no Yarran, their whole backline plans collapsed at the start of the season. Add glandular fever to Lennon and each player they had earmarked for running the ball out was unavailable.
So the board made the mistake of backing their coaching panel, which is not a mistake - it's their job. The mistake that was made was signing up Hardwick for a further 2 years which could have waited for the end of the season IMHO. At the most, he should only have been given 1 year.
The club is still reeling from comments made by Bomber Thompson when he rejected the job because he said he did not like how the club operated - i.e. sacking coaches continuously. We have now gone too far the other way. Way too far.
Tell someone who gives a stuff. At the end of the day they have shown they have no idea.They have shown they have no idea for how many years on end yet fools yr on yr defend them.
If these guys were in charge of your super fund you would be ropeable yet because its footy your willing to forgive all and sundry.
I assume you do give a stuff as we all do here. If you didn't, you wouldn't waste your time posting.
As for the super, they've actually done a good job on the finances of the club in the last 10 years. So from a money point of view they haven't been that bad. On the ability to get the right team of coaches and players they have failed. The results speak for themselves.
they have done a good job because us idiots keep lining their pockets. All 70,000 of us.
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The board are there to appoint and hold people to account and Gale Richardson and hardwick are on good money but have delivered little. Claw is 100% correct and if only our board members were a fraction as ruthless then we might well be talking about our flag chances instead of the same poo we've been talking about all too often.
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The board are there to appoint and hold people to account and Gale Richardson and hardwick are on good money but have delivered little. Claw is 100% correct and if only our board members were a fraction as ruthless then we might well be talking about our flag chances instead of the same poo we've been talking about all too often.
We accept that the board have made errors. Some of this of course, is with the benefit of hindsight.
We have asked you several times now without an answer - what is the plan that this new group offer? We need specific acts to be explained. Anyone can say the current group are crap, we will deliver you a premiership by being more ruthless......
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Errors? Blunders would be more accurate.
The resigning of Hardwick for two seasons was a blunder but do we see anyone from the board taking responsibility?
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Errors? Blunders would be more accurate.
The resigning of Hardwick for two seasons was a blunder but do we see anyone from the board taking responsibility?
You can call them what you wish, even the apocalypse!
Fact remains, we need to know what any new group are going to do to right the ship. For all we know they may be even worse and send us to oblivion. Without knowing their plan, how can any member make an informed decision?