Board changes required

[RedanTiger]

Just read the replies to my post.
Funny if not ironic.

A thread about changes to the Board.
I was one of the few who voted against the changes to the constitution that allows the board to appoint a third of directors.
The vote against the changes was SEVEN against of whom I personally know of four, WP and myself included.

So my question to Harry, yandb, Diocletian and Dooks - which way did you vote on the constitutional changes?

If you did not vote against them then you have at the least agreed with and condoned the changes the board made to limit the power of members to select the board.

To the point of my previous post I felt the criticism was unreasonable and untrue. We have experienced football people on the board in Free and Gale. I think that the idea of a dedicated football director can be dangerous. If only the football director has oversight of the football department then it can lead to a single vision for the future. I much prefer the entire board to be involved in our core purpose. I also resent the idea that an outsider in Dunstall can make criticisms of our club that I felt were unreasonable if not untrue.

Are you delusional? Redan any board is open to scrutiny, more so when we are underperforming which we are this year.

Trying to bully posters into not criticising the board means you have no answer to the criticisms Harry has raised all you did was trot out their C.V.'s

I agree any board should be open to scrutiny. Our's is less open than it was. As above - how did you vote to make it less open?
I think this is the first time I have ever been accused of defending the board but I guess there's a first for everything.
"Criticising the board".  I think I've got a pretty good record of doing that myself so I hope nobody is influenced by me not to do so themselves. Go for it. there's enough there without reaching for reasons that are unfair.
"No football director" I directly pointed to Free as a director with football experience.
"Football manager with no experience" I directly pointed to Richardson's experience as a player and agent.
"Hardwick extension" I agree with the criticism but it's a deal done by a board supported by the membership.
"Failure to get a big name" I agree with the criticism but don't know the inner dealings enough to comment further.
"Stale, lacks direction, ruthlessness and football nous" Yeah I'd agree with all that.
I have posted, either here or on another forum, about what I saw as the corruption of appointing two new directors one month before the AGM to avoid an election. No support.
The whole point about "trotting out their CV's" is that is what you should directly base a staffing decision on. What else do you base it on if not their CV?

RT obviously finds it difficult to differentiate between the club and it's employees - quite a common affliction amongst our supporter base...

Nope. Have criticised employees quite often and have no difficulty doing so. Encourage others to do the same but I do recognise, belatedly I admit, that sometimes you just can't do a damn thing about it. The vast majority just roll along and accept what they get until it starts to really hurt. Then they tend to thrash around and vent about how it's got to stop and lets tear the walls down.

The thing about all this angst is that I have criticised many aspects of our club, particularly our board's actions for over ten years (mainly on another forum), and it was frustration at the lack of response that caused me to join this forum. Ironic that I would at this late stage be accused of defending the Richmond board. 
 
 

[Harry]

I've said this many times over the years

I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none

But....

I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.

 I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.

Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew

Have to offer alot more than that

Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution.  The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path.  They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve.  Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.

[RedanTiger]

Harry I think their biggest problem is that their collective memory is rooted in the removal of Wallace.
Remember that at that time there was a large group of players who were so openly against the senior coach that Newman and King went to him and effectively asked him to resign.
I think they were completely caught off guard, particularly when another group of mainly senior players said they couldn't see what the problem was.

This means that a general feeling among the players that they are happy with Hardwick has got them in a bind and unwilling to make any change that may risk rocking the boat.

Remember also that any change increases the pressure on the board to deliver an improvement.
To paraphrase the quote - Better to be thought inept than to make a change and remove all doubt.

[Harry]

Ah yes, the Wallace removal.  Thanks for bringing that up.  The board was so oblivious to what was going on that it took king newman and Johnson to remove Wallace when we were a shambles.  Again, virtually same board, no finger on the pulse, completely reactive, oblivious.

[WilliamPowell]

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Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution.  The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path.  They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve.  Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.

While i agree understanding what the problems are is the first step in finding a solution

But and this was my point, over the past 10 odd years, everyone who's tried to get on the board via an election has only ever bothered to tell us what we all know, that is what the issues are. None of them have every put up an alternative, a solution. None of them gives us their plan, none actually bother to tell us what they will bring eg extra sponsorship.

Last year Mr Russo said he'd bring us a flag but couldn't tell anyone how he was going to do it because let's face it he couldn't. But at the same time said Hardwick was a good coach.

BTW the Redan makes a massively importnat point about our constitution and the changes pushed through by Benny and the Board  a few years back. People followed Benny. I was there thwt night and so as he said it was the way to go hands went up quicker than you can say Go Tiges

Then you have the People who didn't bother to turn up to that AGM and vote or didn't vote via proxy now complaining  amd demanding change. But seem to conveniently forget the way our board is now structured is due to the membership.

Perhaps if members hadnt been so foolish back then the board would be accountable than they have been

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I've said this many times over the years

I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none

But....

I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.

 I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.

Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew

Have to offer alot more than that

Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution.  The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path.  They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve.  Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.

Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.

[yandb]

The first inkling that there was an issue to most of us members was the rushed extension to Hardwick's contract.

This started members to dig a bit further on the conduct of our current board.

While the current board had performed adequately there seemed to be a stagnation and lack of drive to lift the bar.

Some of the social agenda's being pushed make you wonder if a premiership is first and foremost in their minds.

I will be interested to see if any outstanding candidates put their hands up this year.

[Penelope]

As I said you can stick with the current mob and enjoy the lofty heights of EF losses.  After all, we've been so poo that we should be thankful to the current board for these achievements.   Lock them in for another 10 years.

such a george bush mentality reply.

you seem to think this bloke offers something. convince us with a plan?

stuffing dumb sheep who get sucked in by those who can appeal to their disenfranchisement, lay blame on someone else, yet offer nothing in terms of how to fix things.

this is why Churchill said that if you want to understand the problem with democracy, spend 5 minutes with the average voter

[Francois Jackson]

As I said you can stick with the current mob and enjoy the lofty heights of EF losses.  After all, we've been so poo that we should be thankful to the current board for these achievements.   Lock them in for another 10 years.

such a george bush mentality reply.

you seem to think this bloke offers something. convince us with a plan?

stuffing dumb sheep who get sucked in by those who can appeal to their disenfranchisement, lay blame on someone else, yet offer nothing in terms of how to fix things.

this is why Churchill said that if you want to understand the problem with democracy, spend 5 minutes with the average voter

probably true. Russo or anyone dont really have a vision yet, but then again do the current board with the decisions they have made.

did you vote for the current board?

[Raoul Duke]

As I said you can stick with the current mob and enjoy the lofty heights of EF losses.  After all, we've been so poo that we should be thankful to the current board for these achievements.   Lock them in for another 10 years.

such a george bush mentality reply.

you seem to think this bloke offers something. convince us with a plan?

stuffing dumb sheep who get sucked in by those who can appeal to their disenfranchisement, lay blame on someone else, yet offer nothing in terms of how to fix things.

this is why Churchill said that if you want to understand the problem with democracy, spend 5 minutes with the average voter

probably true. Russo or anyone dont really have a vision yet, but then again do the current board with the decisions they have made.

did you vote for the current board?

I didn't think Russo was trying to overthrow the board, thought he just wanted to add some diversity to it.

[Penelope]

As I said you can stick with the current mob and enjoy the lofty heights of EF losses.  After all, we've been so poo that we should be thankful to the current board for these achievements.   Lock them in for another 10 years.

such a george bush mentality reply.

you seem to think this bloke offers something. convince us with a plan?

stuffing dumb sheep who get sucked in by those who can appeal to their disenfranchisement, lay blame on someone else, yet offer nothing in terms of how to fix things.

this is why Churchill said that if you want to understand the problem with democracy, spend 5 minutes with the average voter

probably true. Russo or anyone dont really have a vision yet, but then again do the current board with the decisions they have made.

did you vote for the current board?

I believe that if i am going to cast a vote, it should be an informed decision. You cant make an informed decision based on spin, which is all we had.

[the claw]

I've said this many times over the years

I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none

But....

I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.

 I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.

Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew

Have to offer alot more than that

Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution.  The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path.  They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve.  Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.

Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.

DO we really need to speak to them. Actions speak louder than words ,or in our boards case  on so many things non actions.
Just read this forum and every other forum and you will see it is virtually the same things being talked about yr upon yr.
If the board has had an idea of what is going on then they certainly are guilty of delusion or worse sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
People talk as if what happening is a new thing it has been happening for years and not one person has put their hand yup to take responsibility.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I've said this many times over the years

I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none

But....

I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.

 I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.

Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew

Have to offer alot more than that

Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution.  The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path.  They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve.  Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.

Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.

DO we really need to speak to them. Actions speak louder than words ,or in our boards case  on so many things non actions.
Just read this forum and every other forum and you will see it is virtually the same things being talked about yr upon yr.
If the board has had an idea of what is going on then they certainly are guilty of delusion or worse sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
People talk as if what happening is a new thing it has been happening for years and not one person has put their hand yup to take responsibility.

Unfortunately for us, the relative "success" of making finals (but not winning any) made the board feel we were on the right track. They felt again, rightly or wrongly, that it was a personnel issue in the playing ranks that led us to our last unsuccessful assault. They were told that with a turnover of a few on the list and the promotion of some youngsters the paying group would hold firm this year with an improvement next year. Unfortunately they did not foresee injuries to Deledio and the complete non appearance of Yarran. With Grimes out again, Conca out again, an injury to McKintosh and no Yarran, their whole backline plans collapsed at the start of the season. Add glandular fever to Lennon and each player they had earmarked for running the ball out was unavailable.
So the board made the mistake of backing their coaching panel, which is not a mistake - it's their job. The mistake that was made was signing up Hardwick for a further 2 years which could have waited for the end of the season IMHO. At the most, he should only have been given 1 year.
The club is still reeling from comments made by Bomber Thompson when he rejected the job because he said he did not like how the club operated - i.e. sacking coaches continuously. We have now gone too far the other way. Way too far.

[the claw]

I've said this many times over the years

I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none

But....

I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.

 I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.

Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew

Have to offer alot more than that

Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution.  The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path.  They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve.  Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.

Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.

DO we really need to speak to them. Actions speak louder than words ,or in our boards case  on so many things non actions.
Just read this forum and every other forum and you will see it is virtually the same things being talked about yr upon yr.
If the board has had an idea of what is going on then they certainly are guilty of delusion or worse sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
People talk as if what happening is a new thing it has been happening for years and not one person has put their hand yup to take responsibility.

Unfortunately for us, the relative "success" of making finals (but not winning any) made the board feel we were on the right track. They felt again, rightly or wrongly, that it was a personnel issue in the playing ranks that led us to our last unsuccessful assault. They were told that with a turnover of a few on the list and the promotion of some youngsters the paying group would hold firm this year with an improvement next year. Unfortunately they did not foresee injuries to Deledio and the complete non appearance of Yarran. With Grimes out again, Conca out again, an injury to McKintosh and no Yarran, their whole backline plans collapsed at the start of the season. Add glandular fever to Lennon and each player they had earmarked for running the ball out was unavailable.
So the board made the mistake of backing their coaching panel, which is not a mistake - it's their job. The mistake that was made was signing up Hardwick for a further 2 years which could have waited for the end of the season IMHO. At the most, he should only have been given 1 year.
The club is still reeling from comments made by Bomber Thompson when he rejected the job because he said he did not like how the club operated - i.e. sacking coaches continuously. We have now gone too far the other way. Way too far.

Tell someone who gives a stuff. At the end of the day they have shown they have no idea.They have shown they have no idea for how many years on end yet fools yr on yr  defend them.

If these guys were in charge of your super fund you would be ropeable yet because its footy your willing to forgive all and sundry.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I've said this many times over the years

I have absolutely no problem with people running for the board; none

But....

I want at the barest minimum some plan, some vision of what they intend to bring.

 I am not interested in people standing up and telling me what the problems are because guess what I know what the problems are. Blind Freddie can see them, we dont need to be told and repeating them to everyone isnt going to get you elected.

Every peron who has stood over the last 10 years have done the same thing, bleated about the problems but not offered one plan, one solution. That's why Russo failed last year, he offered no alternative, just pointed put what everyone already knew

Have to offer alot more than that

Understanding what the problems are is the first step to finding a solution.  The problem with the curent board is they don't understand that we have problems and continue on the same path.  They are deluded as any board with their finger on the pulse wouldn't have extended hardwick and would have made some pro active changes after our long list of EF losses instead of calling for stability and hoping things would approve.  Understanding and telling us that there are problems is a massive step up to what we are seeing atm.

Have you spoken to any of the current board members? How do you know they are oblivious to our problems? Take it from me, they do. It is their tardiness in fixing up the problem that is the issue. They are waiting till the end of the year before they act. What they're going to do, nobody yet knows. But to think think they have no idea of our problems says more about those who believe that than them.

DO we really need to speak to them. Actions speak louder than words ,or in our boards case  on so many things non actions.
Just read this forum and every other forum and you will see it is virtually the same things being talked about yr upon yr.
If the board has had an idea of what is going on then they certainly are guilty of delusion or worse sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
People talk as if what happening is a new thing it has been happening for years and not one person has put their hand yup to take responsibility.

Unfortunately for us, the relative "success" of making finals (but not winning any) made the board feel we were on the right track. They felt again, rightly or wrongly, that it was a personnel issue in the playing ranks that led us to our last unsuccessful assault. They were told that with a turnover of a few on the list and the promotion of some youngsters the paying group would hold firm this year with an improvement next year. Unfortunately they did not foresee injuries to Deledio and the complete non appearance of Yarran. With Grimes out again, Conca out again, an injury to McKintosh and no Yarran, their whole backline plans collapsed at the start of the season. Add glandular fever to Lennon and each player they had earmarked for running the ball out was unavailable.
So the board made the mistake of backing their coaching panel, which is not a mistake - it's their job. The mistake that was made was signing up Hardwick for a further 2 years which could have waited for the end of the season IMHO. At the most, he should only have been given 1 year.
The club is still reeling from comments made by Bomber Thompson when he rejected the job because he said he did not like how the club operated - i.e. sacking coaches continuously. We have now gone too far the other way. Way too far.

Tell someone who gives a stuff. At the end of the day they have shown they have no idea.They have shown they have no idea for how many years on end yet fools yr on yr  defend them.

If these guys were in charge of your super fund you would be ropeable yet because its footy your willing to forgive all and sundry.

I assume you do give a stuff as we all do here. If you didn't, you wouldn't waste your time posting.
As for the super, they've actually done a good job on the finances of the club in the last 10 years. So from a money point of view they haven't been that bad. On the ability to get the right team of coaches and players they have failed. The results speak for themselves.