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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 31, 2016, 05:45:02 AM
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Fire away .... :help
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The only change that matters is out Hardwick and recruiting department.
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Rance, Martin and Cotchin to stay in, raffle the rest.
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All depends on how many fit AFL listed players we had running around in the VFL
But leave in Mrakov, Short
Ins = them
Outs = the matching number starting with Vickery, Ellis B and work from there.
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Outs
Any player who yesterday who can't get more than 4 kicks
( one a quarter ain't hard )
Astbury
Drummond
Vickery
Pretty simple game footy
And drop Rioli as well
Forget about defensive pressure garbage
What about standing front and center and roving the packs
Lloyd likewise
Everytime ball hits the ground in F50 we are shot
Just give the ball back to opposition
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Keep Hampson and Hunt in though
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Something different
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Astbury went well yesterday.
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Astbury went well yesterday.
Really?
Is that the reason Rance had to leave his man time and time again because the likes Astbury didn't cover their direct opponent.
Please dont get seduced by a few good marks. He was average at best.
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Astbury went well yesterday.
4 kicks from a key backman ain't going to win games
Need players who can win ball in dispute ( as rance does )
And kick the bloody thing forward
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Keep Hampson and Hunt in though
You have better options ?
Answer that for you . NO
Even though he made some bad mistakes yesterday
Hunt at least keeps running
Watching yesterday there were players who just refused to run and chase
Hunt stays , plenty to go before him
I like Anthony Miles and Brando
But you can't just jog off after the opposition
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Astbury went well yesterday.
Really?
Is that the reason Rance had to leave his man time and time again because the likes Astbury didn't cover their direct opponent.
Please dont get seduced by a few good marks. He was average at best.
Very average , you are being generous
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Keep Hampson and Hunt in though
You have better options ?
Answer that for you . NO
Even though he made some bad mistakes yesterday
Hunt at least keeps running
Watching yesterday there were players who just refused to run and chase
Hunt stays , plenty to go before him
I like Anthony Miles and Brando
But you can't just jog off after the opposition
Was in agreement with you to you mentioned B Ellis, squib cpjtests again yesterday and just hacks long kicks to no one because he is afraid of ocjtact. As for the dinky short ones :banghead
Do agree about Hunt though, he does 3 thongs most of our blokes refuse to do
1. Runs hard both ways
2. Tackles
3. Gives 2nd, 3rd and 4th efforts
Yep makes howlers but so does our guns but at least he keeps going rather than dropping his head and simply giving up
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Astbury went well yesterday.
Really?
Is that the reason Rance had to leave his man time and time again because the likes Astbury didn't cover their direct opponent.
Please dont get seduced by a few good marks. He was average at best.
Very average , you are being generous
I actually thought he was woeful thats why i said average at best
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Keep Hampson and Hunt in though
You have better options ?
Answer that for you . NO
Yes Hampson : Griffiths/Elton/Maric/Soldo
Hunt: Menadue/Castagna/Butler
Keep farming for potatoes all you will get is spuds
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Keep Hampson and Hunt in though
You have better options ?
Answer that for you . NO
Even though he made some bad mistakes yesterday
Hunt at least keeps running
Watching yesterday there were players who just refused to run and chase
Hunt stays , plenty to go before him
I like Anthony Miles and Brando
But you can't just jog off after the opposition
Taylor Hunt = more turnovers than the Sara Lee factory
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Keep Hampson and Hunt in though
You have better options ?
Answer that for you . NO
Even though he made some bad mistakes yesterday
Hunt at least keeps running
Watching yesterday there were players who just refused to run and chase
Hunt stays , plenty to go before him
I like Anthony Miles and Brando
But you can't just jog off after the opposition
Taylor Hunt = more turnovers than the Sara Lee factory
Hampson = more balls in the face than Elton John
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Keep Hampson and Hunt in though
You have better options ?
Answer that for you . NO
Even though he made some bad mistakes yesterday
Hunt at least keeps running
Watching yesterday there were players who just refused to run and chase
Hunt stays , plenty to go before him
I like Anthony Miles and Brando
But you can't just jog off after the opposition
Taylor Hunt = more turnovers than the Sara Lee factory
At least he had a crack
What was very sad yesterday was the effort of the players to run
Walked away from game disgusted
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OUT
Vickery
Lambert
Miles
Conca
Grigg
Ellis
Astbury
Marcon
IN
Edwards
A. Moore
Townsend
Menadue
Elton
Castagna
Chol
Griffiths
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Keep Hampson and Hunt in though
You have better options ?
Answer that for you . NO
Even though he made some bad mistakes yesterday
Hunt at least keeps running
Watching yesterday there were players who just refused to run and chase
Hunt stays , plenty to go before him
I like Anthony Miles and Brando
But you can't just jog off after the opposition
Taylor Hunt = more turnovers than the Sara Lee factory
At least he had a crack
What was very sad yesterday was the effort of the players to run
Walked away from game disgusted
I understand what you are saying Jack but we shouldn't be playing guys who are never ever going to make it in the long run. Taylor hunt has no chance in playing in a winning finals team let alone a premiership team. Wise heads down at Geelong realised that. Why can't we?
I think people a re plugging that it is a perfect opportunity to play the kids at senior level and we're not. Castagna got dropped after one poor performance against Hawthorn but he had several senior mates who performed just as badly. George has a future, we need to give him senior game time. Guys like Butler (who again was named in the best) haven't even had a chance to show what they have. Menadue was dropped and needs senior game time. Elton also played well in the twos this week. Elevate a guy like Chol and play him.
Doing this may mean we lose by 87 points but I'd rather lose with young guys playing rather than losing by the same amount with senior guys, who have continually failed when the pressure was on and are now clogging the list.
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If you plant seeds of turnips the likely thing is that you will farm turnips
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Problem is any more losses like yesterday and no player in the comp would want to come to
the RFC
Need to be competitive
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Problem is any more losses like yesterday and no player in the comp would want to come to
the RFC
Need to be competitive
Not true. If they see you are playing youth, they'll understand. Look at the saints. They were getting flogged playing youth yet players still wanted to go to them (Carlisle). Now they've improved considerably they look miles ahead of us.
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Problem is any more losses like yesterday and no player in the comp would want to come to
the RFC
Need to be competitive
We also need major changes in the football department. Not many players will want to play the crap style we play so change needs to happen and needs to happen this week!
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I dunno if this makes sense but i honestly couldnt care who plays.
I mean, i prefer the kids, but our coach who selects the team cant even exercise a level of common sense that the average guy on the street would.
And at the end of the day we'll be stuck with whoever he picks and we will barrack for a win that wont happen, and competativeness that wont be there.
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I dont care anymore.
Its round 19 - we are who we are - and thats a very ordinary team .
Media are starting to smell blood so another thrashing could be in the best interest of those who desire change.( which I think is everyone )
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Taylor Hunt = more turnovers than the Sara Lee factory
At least he had a crack
What was very sad yesterday was the effort of the players to run
Walked away from game disgusted
You say this yet want to drop Drummond and Rioli. Both were willing to bust a gut running (Rioli in particular) and Drummond laid some nice tough tackles
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Keep Hampson and Hunt in though
You have better options ?
Answer that for you . NO
Even though he made some bad mistakes yesterday
Hunt at least keeps running
Watching yesterday there were players who just refused to run and chase
Hunt stays , plenty to go before him
I like Anthony Miles and Brando
But you can't just jog off after the opposition
Taylor Hunt = more turnovers than the Sara Lee factory
At least he had a crack
What was very sad yesterday was the effort of the players to run
Walked away from game disgusted
I understand what you are saying Jack but we shouldn't be playing guys who are never ever going to make it in the long run. Taylor hunt has no chance in playing in a winning finals team let alone a premiership team. Wise heads down at Geelong realised that. Why can't we?
I think people a re plugging that it is a perfect opportunity to play the kids at senior level and we're not. Castagna got dropped after one poor performance against Hawthorn but he had several senior mates who performed just as badly. George has a future, we need to give him senior game time. Guys like Butler (who again was named in the best) haven't even had a chance to show what they have. Menadue was dropped and needs senior game time. Elton also played well in the twos this week. Elevate a guy like Chol and play him.
Doing this may mean we lose by 87 points but I'd rather lose with young guys playing rather than losing by the same amount with senior guys, who have continually failed when the pressure was on and are now clogging the list.
Agree. If we keep playing Hampson, Hunt, Grigg we will pay the price including with reduced memberships. This is the perfect chance to play youth. Give them a proper chance and give them valuable experience.
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Taylor Hunt = more turnovers than the Sara Lee factory
At least he had a crack
What was very sad yesterday was the effort of the players to run
Walked away from game disgusted
You say this yet want to drop Drummond and Rioli. Both were willing to bust a gut running (Rioli in particular) and Drummond laid some nice tough tackles
You know something
You have hit the nail on the head
That's the problem
I ain't interested in tackles and defensive efforts garbage
I want players who can crumb the ball , win the ball in dispute and NOT the third result in a tackling which we are hopeless at anyway
Both Drummond and Rioli clearly not up to yesterday
Might be in 2 two seasons time
But pointless players being lead to the ball by there opposition to have them try and attempt a tackle which we don't do well anyway
When was the last time a small forward stood at the front of the pack and won the ball ?
Dont let the club PR cloud your judgment now
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Short did in his first match , then got dropped two matches later before returning in the backline....
...anyway good to know you don't think having blokes who tackle is important...no wonder you rate Hamspud, Grigg & Hunt....
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Short did in his first match , then got dropped two matches later before returning in the backline....
...anyway good to know you don't think having blokes who tackle is important...no wonder you rate Hamspud, Grigg & Hunt....
Hampson is the best option we have - FACT
Hunt has had a crack, isn't up to it but credit where is due , he chased yesterday
Grigg has broken thumb and knee issues and will finish top 5 in B&F
Why don't you have a crack at Vluastin .Miles and B Ellis
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Taylor Hunt = more turnovers than the Sara Lee factory
At least he had a crack
What was very sad yesterday was the effort of the players to run
Walked away from game disgusted
You say this yet want to drop Drummond and Rioli. Both were willing to bust a gut running (Rioli in particular) and Drummond laid some nice tough tackles
You know something
You have hit the nail on the head
That's the problem
I ain't interested in tackles and defensive efforts garbage
I want players who can crumb the ball , win the ball in dispute and NOT the third result in a tackling which we are hopeless at anyway
Both Drummond and Rioli clearly not up to yesterday
Might be in 2 two seasons time
But pointless players being lead to the ball by there opposition to have them try and attempt a tackle which we don't do well anyway
When was the last time a small forward stood at the front of the pack and won the ball ?
Dont let the club PR cloud your judgment now
I'd much rather a kid who has scope for improvement that at least puts the hard yards in by applying pressure than someone like Hunt who is as soft as butter, can't win his own ball and fluffs simple kicks time and time again. Worst part he has absolutely zero scope for improvement. He has hit his prime.
Oh lol at your logic. We don't tackle well anyway so we shouldn't bother having players who do it well. We don't win games either, should we stop playing players who could win us some games (not that we've started).... oh wait actually you are already advocating that by wanting Hampson, Grigg and Hunt in the team at the expense of players that could take us further in Rioli and Drummond
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Hunt has had a crack, isn't up to it but credit where is due , he chased yesterday
So what's the issue with Rioli and Drummond again?
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Short did in his first match , then got dropped two matches later before returning in the backline....
...anyway good to know you don't think having blokes who tackle is important...no wonder you rate Hamspud, Grigg & Hunt....
Hampson is the best option we have - FACT
Hunt has had a crack, isn't up to it but credit where is due , he chased yesterday
Grigg has broken thumb and knee issues and will finish top 5 in B&F
Why don't you have a crack at Vluastin .Miles and B Ellis
If Hamspud's our best option then that just speaks to our paucity of options and shyte list management....and I'd argue he really isn't our best option given how utterly pathetic he is around the ground and how many of his taps just go straight to the opposition...rather play Chol, McBean, Elton, Griffiths, Soldo & even Vickery - who I maintain plays far better on ball then up forward- in the ruck and try & shark the opposition taps...at least we wouldn't be a man down in general play....
Injuries are no excuse for bludging....if Grigg finishes top 5 it'll be as big an indictment on the club & our B&F as when Hackson won the thing...
Had plenty of cracks at B.Ellis....have repeatedly stated Vlastuin should be in the middle & Miles was woeful but still has enough credits...both at least try....
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Hunt has had a crack, isn't up to it but credit where is due , he chased yesterday
So what's the issue with Rioli and Drummond again?
Neither of them did what they were asked
Big deal if they tackle
Neither stood in front of a pack
Neither reads the game well enough to gain first possession
Thus they have to tackle
Not saying they won't be any good but the development of Richmond players is very very poor
And he is a perfect example
Forget about tackling
Win the bloody ball first
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Much like Hunt?
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Much like Hunt?
Bit different if you playing a shut down role in D50
Might further add main issues are forward of Centre not back of Centre
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Short did in his first match , then got dropped two matches later before returning in the backline....
...anyway good to know you don't think having blokes who tackle is important...no wonder you rate Hamspud, Grigg & Hunt....
Hampson is the best option we have - FACT
Hunt has had a crack, isn't up to it but credit where is due , he chased yesterday
Grigg has broken thumb and knee issues and will finish top 5 in B&F
Why don't you have a crack at Vluastin .Miles and B Ellis
No he isn't would prefer Griffiths, Elton, McBean, Maric or Soldo, all of them are better options
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The Barometer - Round 20
Herald-Sun
August 1, 2016
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: Take your pick. Ty Vickery didn’t light it up in his senior recall, managing just eight disposals, Anthony Miles didn’t have an impact in the midfield and Shaun Grigg had just 16 disposals. Sam Lloyd kicked one of the team’s three goals, while Nathan Drummond and Oleg Markov were quiet but expect Damien Hardwick to keep playing them.
ON THE CUSP: The Tigers will be hoping Brett Deledio’s calf injury comes good, while Shane Edwards and Ben Griffiths will aim to prove their fitness after missing with calf and groin issues respectively. In the VFL Andrew Moore put his hand up by dominating with 37 disposals and Jacob Townsend had 26 disposals, while Nathan Broad and Connor Menadue were prolific.
KATE SALEMME’S FORECAST: All eyes are on Tigerland after getting smashed by GWS, with the heat on all areas of the club. Chief executive Brendon Gale has backed Hardwick as coach but if the team puts in another performance like Saturday against Collingwood under the spotlight of Friday night footy, who knows what might happen. Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin and Alex Rance are fighting hard but the rest of the team need to follow. Some soul searching to be done ahead of the Pies clash.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/footy-form/afl-injury-list-whos-hot-and-whos-hurt-after-round-19/news-story/1078c4f53f3bcd18a2e1e323df89f758
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As said in the previous post pick Moore, Townsend, Menadue and Broad on form in the seconds.
Wouldn't mind Cal Moore getting a game either.
Griffith for Vickery CHF
A Moore for Grigg (injured ?) RR
Townsend for Conca
Menadue for B Ellis
Broad for Hunt
C Moore for Lambert
Vlastuin onball
We need a bit of muscle to help out Dusty, Cotch and Miles. They're getting smashed into the ground.
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As said in the previous post pick Moore, Townsend, Menadue and Broad on form in the seconds.
Wouldn't mind Cal Moore getting a game either.
Griffith for Vickery CHF
A Moore for Grigg (injured ?) RR
Townsend for Conca
Menadue for B Ellis
Broad for Hunt
C Moore for Lambert
Vlastuin onball
Yep, yep & yep! Rubber stamped 'Approved'! :thumbsup
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Why tackle when you can guard space and corral like a boss
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As if lids wants to play again this year
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As if lids wants to play again this year
If they play him for pointless wins and to look after Hardwicks job and PR rubbish I'll spew up.
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Dimma will play him hurt to sAve his own ass , scumbag
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The whole concept of astute list management has long been an anathema to the RFC brains trust.
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In - Thompson, Men
Out - Dimma, New age limp - :rollin again
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Dooks summed the changes up in another thread
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/U6Od53x8hS0k4ZnU-zlhF2DwKcgypaF7vqor60akmfjSFXTgpalwUepTgS9Vmydln6wf7YRS=w355-h200-nc)
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In the mix: round 20
Nathan Schmook
AFL.com.au
August 2, 2016
RICHMOND
The test for the Tigers is whether they hold their ground with a young team or look for senior reinforcements after a demoralising loss.
Recycled Port Adelaide midfielder Andrew Moore (37 disposals and 11 clearances in the VFL) is bashing down the door for a chance before the season is out. If he is in the Tigers' plans, the 25-year-old should play his first game since round four.
Defender Nathan Broad (26 and 11 marks) is also finding form at the lower level.
Ben Lennon (ankle) was on the cusp of selection when he rolled an ankle, but he could play if he passes a fitness test.
Shane Edwards (calf) and Ben Griffiths (groin) are in the same boat, while Corey Ellis is available after six weeks sidelined with a groin injury. He will likely return through the VFL.
Midfielder Connor Menadue (22 possessions) went back to the VFL in round 19 and is available, as is midfielder Jacob Townsend (24 and 10 tackles).
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-02/afl-2016-in-the-mix-round-20
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Griffiths, Shank, Broad, Townsend & Moore....that'll get the turnstiles clicking over..... :gotigers