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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Razorblade on December 10, 2005, 12:23:18 AM
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Apparently there is going to be a MASSIVE punch on between Leb's and Aussies at Cronulla Beach this Sunday!
Aparently this things been in the news and all but i haven't heard anything about it until before when i was talking to a mate, he said there are some SERIOUS racial problems up that way and now the "aussies are going to do something about it", his words!
Anyone know what im referring to?
This doesn't suprise me at all, these young Lebos, Turks and Iti's go around thinking their pooh doesn't stink and that they can treat women like pooh and get away with it!
All the political correctness, pro multiculturalism folk like to blame the aussies for ALL the trouble, yet its these Lebo's bashing lifesavers and raping girls!
The government won't do anything about the spate of multicultural problems this country is facing, and this is the sort of pooh that going to end up happening, aussies getting together to "take back the shire"!
Don't get me wrong, not all Lebo's, Turks, Greeks and Italians are like this, but the ones that are have absolutely NO respect for australian law or anyone elses rights!
I know from personal experience, going to a school full of turks and wogs for 4 years and having myself and mates threatened by "gangs" of wogs and turks and lebos simply because we didn't take their rubbish they were saying!
Think im going over the top, try getting chased through a bunch of streets and a park at 2-3am by a gang of these guys with baseball bats and even a shovel, all because i told this little 13yo try hard tough guy and his group of mates (they were gatecrashers) to pee off from my mates sisters 18th, then see what your opinion on them is!
Fact is multicultarism doesn't work, and the government needs to do something about it NOW, or things will get a lot worse!
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In all due respect Razor that little spiel above would do the likes of Alan Jones or Andrew Bolt proud. Take an isolated situation of testostorone filled meatheads on both sides looking for a fight as a reason to tell the world the end of the Australian way of life is nigh ::). One side bashing a lifesaver and the other sending out emails calling for "leb and wog bashing day" doesn't sound one sided to me. What a disgrace!
As an Aussie with Italian decent in me (and Scottish) I find that post above offensive :banghead. My mum's side of the family came to Oz in the 1920's to work hard and find a better life. They started up their own grocery small-business from scratch and would even give away food for free to desparate neighbours during the depression. My grandfather was interned during WWII by the Government for 2-3 years for just being an Italian even though he despised fascism but he held no grudges afterwards. When the post-war immigration was in full swing in the 1950's and 60's, Italians were labelled as knife-carrying wogs who threatened the Australian way of life. We've heard this crap all before >:(.
Fast forward to 2005 and yeah what a mess Australia is in because of mass immigration down the years. We wouldn't be the best country to live in without it. Look around the world and it's the isolated mono-culture countries that are left behind and are basket cases. Travel overseas and you'll see how lucky we really are. The amount of variety and choice we have is unbelievable. We are spoiled. The positives so outweigh the few negatives (nothing's perfect) that it's not funny. Might add I grew up in Footscray and Yarraville (and proud of it) so I'm not coming from a rosie-coloured viewpoint. It was a tough area but nevertheless it was a great place to live in. Shame high pollution levels from industries spoil it :(.
Criminal acts are performed by all races because race has nothing to do with it. Thugs are thugs and meatheads are meatheads. Their race is irrelevant. You would think there was no crime or gang warfare in Oz before 1960 the way some carry on. Maybe the authorities and community groups in Sydney haven't been doing their job here as IMHO Melbourne shows people of all cultures can live together and thrive if they want to.
I have mates who are Anglo, Italian, Greek, Chinese, Indian and Bangladeshi. They are a mixture of aethist, christian, muslim, buddhist and hindu. If you focus at an individual level on what you have in common it's funny how differences become insignificant and you can talk about them openly and rationally. Most people all want the same things and just live their own lives in peace. We are all different (even those of the same race, gender and religion) so where do these whinges draw the line on difference?! Of course there always be a tiny minority who want it their way but that's why they are a tiny minority and will remain so. Their loss!
Anyone can focus on differences and use them to divide one group from another and create bitterness and hatred. Even when Australia had a mostly British-based population people would turn to violence over catholism vs protestantism or even Richmond vs Collingwood lol. It's sadly human nature to tribialise as it gives a sense of belonging and importance and for some losers it provides an opportunity to push others down to cover up ones own insecurities and limitations.
From a proud Aussie, proud of his Italian and Scottish heritage :cheers.
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Im not getting into all the older immigrants going back 20+ years, a lot of them came here and like you said worked their asses off and made a decent living for themselves, its the guys who have come over here in the last 5-10 years which are causing the trouble.
I don't condone all the aussies getting together to "take back the shire", all im saying is is that its inevitable that something like this was going to happen and im not all to suprised about it.
The government has encouraged immigration and therefore has let that many stuffing europeans (and asians) in that we are now seeing the effects it is having on our country.
All these muslims, lebos, turks, asians etc ete DEMAND, not request, not ask, DEMAND that AUSTRALIANS change our laws and our ways of life and our culture to suit THEIR needs.
And the hippie, greenies, political correctness folk out there will label anyone who challenges these people or even multiculturalism in itself a racist, and im sick and tired of it!
Yet these people can go around in gangs and stab people, bash people, rape people and then claim theyre acting out against "persecution" by us aussies, or claim that the girls "deserved it", or "had no right to say no"!
No respect for australians as people, no respect for australian law, no respect for anything besides themselves and their "groups".
So like i said, its not all the older ones that have been here for decades, its their kids and the new group that have come over in the last decade which are causing all the trouble!
What happens tomorrow will be very interesting at Cronulla, either the coppers and the council will finally stand up to these lebos and teach them that their poo isnt welcome here, or we can sit back and let them bask lifesavers and sexually harass girls without consequences!
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Australia is great for its multiculturalism - is what makes us so great IMO - and the fact that generally we have been able to have a relatively undivided society free of stuff like this show it does work.
Some Aussie girls have had a pretty hard time up there by a minority of low lives - don't taint the whole nationality with the deeds of a few, Razor. Every nationality has its dregs of society.
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I wouldn't say its only the "deeds of a few"!
Were not talking about a dozen rebels, were talking about entire cultures and races of people who see fit to do whatever they want without consideration to anyone else!
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Were not talking about a dozen rebels, were talking about entire cultures and races of people who see fit to do whatever they want without consideration to anyone else!
Don't think we're gonna have a rational debate based on that statement of "entire cultures and races" doign what they please. That's totally irrational and off the planet, Razor.
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Hopefully this day is marked down in history as the day us Aussies finally said enough's enough!
Couldn't be prouder to be an Australian today!
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Sorry Razor, but am i missing something about todays events? :-\
i am assuming that you are referring to your earlier post Razor, maybe i should watch the news
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Watch the start of the 6pm news, you'll see what i mean!
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What i seen on the news was only brief, but it is pretty ordinary to just run around and belt anyone who looks like a "Leb"
i agree with everyone's comments that all of the different nationalities and cultures that have been bought here have developed the country to the fantastic place that it has become.
My only beef is when people come to live here, could be from any country or culture and they refuse to learn how to speak English or embrae the country for what it is. Sure people have different beliefs and dont always think our way is great. The thing that really annoys me is the people who try and change our culture to theirs.
I work in Local Government for the Hume City Council and our population is the most diverse probably in all of Australia. Sure we provide different services to accomodate peoples needs but sometimes things get out of hand. I am sure most people remember the big stuff up when one of our communication people told the media that we were no longer going to serve Ham sandwidges at council meetings and functions due to our large mueslim community. That made us a laughing stock.
I welcome anyone to enjoy the country that we live in, but just wish they would embrace our culture to a degree.
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My only beef is when people come to live here, could be from any country or culture and they refuse to learn how to speak English or embrae the country for what it is. Sure people have different beliefs and dont always think our way is great. The thing that really annoys me is the people who try and change our culture to theirs.
Many of them can't even read and write in their own languages - many (especially the older) didn't even go to school in their own countries. For them to learn how to speak and write English would be virtually impossible. An ex boyfriend of mine's mum couldn't even sign her name. And as far as our culture, it's people like my ex's mum who probably feels secure with the people she knows rather than us. Not really that simple to say they should adopt our language and culture. Put it the other way, would you give up your Australian identity if you went to another country. I damn well wouldn't. I'd probably try and learn the language, not to assimilate, but just to cope with daily life.
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It doesn't stop of our language, its our law, our rights as people, our culture, they have NO respect for anything besides themselves and their way of life!
It's about time people stood up and made a stance!
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It doesn't stop of our language, its our law, our rights as people, our culture, they have NO respect for anything besides themselves and their way of life!
It's about time people stood up and made a stance!
Why do you make generalisations? Be specific - what nationalities don't conform to our way of life? Stance against what, who? Please explain ::)
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Put it the other way, would you give up your Australian identity if you went to another country. I damn well wouldn't. I'd probably try and learn the language, not to assimilate, but just to cope with daily life.
I would definately still call myself an Aussie if i went to another country. In saying that, i would also learn to read and write in their language and also try and involve myself in the traditional way of living for their culture.
I would also RESPECT their culture and way of living, unlike many that call Australia home.
An example of what makes me upset is up in NSW, cant remember the name of the town but it has a high population of Vietnamese people. They are complaining and partition the local council to have the parking signs written in their language so that they dont get so many parking fines. These are people who have obtained an Australian licence, what a joke. If you are given an Australian licence then you should be required to be able to read and english so that you can obide by our road rules.
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The main offenders are Lebanese, Asians, Wogs and Turks.
Making a stand against them and their total disrespect to aussies, our law, culture, rights etc etc
They believe they are above the law, that they have the god given right to hunt and bash people in gangs, sexually harass and assault women, rape women and disrespect police and the government has had YEARS to do something about it, and they have caved in to the Political Correctness folk everytime.
Yet not only do the government (state and federal) do nothing to stop all of this, they make it worse allowing more and more of these people into our country and let them do as they please WITHOUT apprisal!
This won't be the last time something like this will happen trust me, and until the governments and police do something about these people, the kind of stuff that happened today will only continue!
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Put it the other way, would you give up your Australian identity if you went to another country. I damn well wouldn't. I'd probably try and learn the language, not to assimilate, but just to cope with daily life.
An example of what makes me upset is up in NSW, cant remember the name of the town but it has a high population of Vietnamese people. They are complaining and partition the local council to have the parking signs written in their language so that they dont get so many parking fines. These are people who have obtained an Australian licence, what a joke. If you are given an Australian licence then you should be required to be able to read and english so that you can obide by our road rules.
Bull, that would be Cabramatta. Our company has one client there and it's an absolute sh1tfight trying to find parking no matter what your nationality. It's an absolute cop out. They all know they are doing the wrong thing. Most of the offences are for double parking!!! :banghead What sign would be of any use for this type of infringement?? Total crap I say! The answer to this issue is more parking spaces not different languages on the parking signs.
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Sorry to double post but Razor, As I live up here I have follwed the Cronulla issue closely right from the first incident where the Lifesavers were assaulted. These are attacks by common thugs, lets not put a racial slant on this. The initial fracas was not anti Aussie, it was a bunch of thugs trying to impose their will on others. People began to perceive that it was racially motivated and the media were the worst offenders in doing this. Just because the majority of this group of thugs were of ethnic origin, doesn't mean that it was a racially motivated attack. Todays events disgusted me. Today it became racially motivated and it saddens me to see fellow Australians acting like that.
Can you imagine if a group of Aussie resident thugs overseas(and yes they do exist) decided to pick on some locals in another country and you got the mustard kicked out of you by revengeful locals just because you were of the same heritage? Well that is what happened today.
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The thing is, its not like the lifesavers being bashed was the sole cause of todays riots, it was the straw that broke the camels back, for the lack of a better term.
Tension had been building up for years, and the lifesavers being bashed was the trigger.
There are now UNCONFIRMED reports of groups of Lebanese people smashing and torching cars and that a tv camera crew has been bashed!
Like i said, today's riots were only the beginning!
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News report of man being stabbed outside a golf club after being confronted by a group of "mediterranean" appearance!
Also an unconfirmed report of Lebanese threatening to rape a group of women!
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Do you have a solution to this Razor?? You obviously seem to have the pulse the local community. I have been to Cronulla beach about 10 times last summer without incident. Sure, each time we went there were groups of youths in the carpark playing loud music in their cars but none of them threatened myself or my family. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but if you look close enough and long enough at anything, you will always find the bad in it.
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Hopefully this day is marked down in history as the day us Aussies finally said enough's enough!
Couldn't be prouder to be an Australian today!
Proud?
What I saw yesterday on the news was a of group people who deemed themselves above the law and in the process they decided to stoop to the same level of cowardly thugs who bashed the lifeguards.
I don't think it was a proud moment to see innocent people needing protection from the police because there were rocks, bottles and cans being thrown at them for no reason other than they looked a certain way. What had they done to deserve it? Be tarnished by the minority that hides behind whatever they decide to hang their hat at a given time whether it is their religion, colour or culture.
The 2 lifeguards were bashed by cowardly thugs: end of story. Their race, colour, creed and religion is not relevant – they are thugs pure and simple. They broke the law and they should be punished under the law. As should those yesterday who attacked the police and throw bottles at innocent Australians
How sad it was to watch groups from both sides who represent the minority undertaking the very behaviour that we’ve seen so many times on the news over the years that has appalled us.
The main offenders are Lebanese, Asians, Wogs and Turks.
Wogs? Exactly where do they come from? The term “wog” went out in the early 1980’s and that’s where it should stay. :banghead
Asians - all of them? Which ones? Chinese? Japanese, Phillipinos, Cambodians? Again generalisations
As for the other nationalities are you saying all of them? Or just the majority of people of those nationality? Either way you are making a generalisation. Lumping hundreds of thousands of people when only a small number are trouble makers is an insult to those who call this country home and have embraced it.
Sorry to double post but Razor, As I live up here I have follwed the Cronulla issue closely right from the first incident where the Lifesavers were assaulted. These are attacks by common thugs, lets not put a racial slant on this. The initial fracas was not anti Aussie, it was a bunch of thugs trying to impose their will on others. People began to perceive that it was racially motivated and the media were the worst offenders in doing this.
Good point tiga :thumbsup Watching Skynews last night it was embarassing they were even running a poll on who was to blame - talk about fanning the flames
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WP - Go talk to some women who have been gangraped, or even sexually harassed by Lebo's over the past decade and tell them there isn't a problem!
Its funny how people keep assuming its a "minority", a lot of people aren't willing to speak up at the risk of being labelled a racist, but plenty of people are fed up with the government and police pandering to political correctness!
Look what happened last night, stabbings, bashings and wide spread vandalism by these people, but i guess there isn't a problem, is there WP? :banghead
Its about bloody time us aussies stood up and let these Lebo's know that lifesavers being bashed, women being raped and harassed, disrespecting of our country and law and their insults and intimidation won't be tolerated any longer!
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WP - Go talk to some women who have been gangraped, or even sexually harassed by Lebo's over the past decade and tell them there isn't a problem!
Well guess what Razor you're talking to someone who about 12 years ago had their very expensive car vandalised by some young hoon with screwdriver who happened to a member on one of those ethnic groups you speak of. I didn't care that the young punk was ethnic all I cared about was the fact that someone had damaged my car - their race is irrelevant. Thugs, bullies and hoons are just that not matter what their background.
Look what happened last night, stabbings, bashings and wide spread vandalism by these people, but i guess there isn't a problem, is there WP? :banghead
Did I say there wasn't a problem Razor.
In actual fact we have a major problem.
It wasn't just last night let's get that straight. It started yesterday afternoon and continued into the night. Oops I forgot what happened yesterday afternoon was acceptable because it was carried out by "aussies". It's only the the law breaking by the others that is wrong here.
It cannot work that way Razor - they are all thugs and bullies but above all else they are cowards.
So I take from your final comment...
Its about bloody time us aussies stood up and let these Lebo's know ....
That you are talking about every single Lebonese person in Australia.
And that's where i have a major problem Razor - you are labelling over 100,000 people with the same brush of a few hundred and that's not fair on those who do the right thing
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Probably worded it poorly, "these lebo's" = The ones who involve themselves in gangs and participate in all the aformentioned activities.
Look the whole bottling of the cops and ambos was totally wrong no doubt about it, but, the reason for the protest is very clear and very true.
So i guess you simply find it all a coincedence that its "middle easterners" who are doing the bulk of the sexual harassing and assaulting of women, who are doing the gang rapes, who bash innocent people in groups of 10-15, who deal drugs etc etc?
We have similar problems here in Melbourne although on a far lower scale, and i don't know if the problems would ever get as extreme as it has in Sydney, but i think the potential is there.
The protest was a clear message to the governments and to the police, there is a SERIOUS problem in the Cronulla area, not only is the problem these Lebanese gangs and what they do, the other problem is the racism and hatred that has built up in the local Australian community, who have been waiting for YEARS and YEARS for the governments and the police to do something, they have done nothing, and now you have a ton of racial tension and anger.
Its not just a simple "Lebo" problem now, you've got two sides who, for the lack of a better term, are going to be "at war".
Multiculturalism at its finest! :banghead
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I blame the people who are responsible for not letting some schools celebrate christmas around australia incase it offends those who dont.
I blame those for not letting children sit on santas lap although his or her parents are standing 2 metres away.
I blame those for not letting santa say ho ho ho anymore incase it offends some women.
To me it's a clear message that society is crying out that all it wants to do is celebrate xmas and have a festive season !!!
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Then your blaming Political Correctness!
Be careful though, if you disagree with them you'll be labelled a racist, like everyone else! ;)
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Since when was hoping one day that people would treat other people the way they would like to be treated themselves political correctness?
Be careful though, if you disagree with them you'll be labelled a racist, like everyone else!
I called you irrational, not a racist lol
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LOL, you've got nothing on some of those Political Correctness folk, trust me! ;)
I have dealt with some of the most extreme PC people you will ever see, and the way they work is simple, if you don't accept multiculuralism in its entirety, that includes allowing minority groups to do WHATEVER they want, then you are automiatically branded a racist!
Trust me, im not overreacting either!
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Look what happened last night, stabbings, bashings and wide spread vandalism by these people, but i guess there isn't a problem, is there WP? :banghead
Did you see the woman last night who was attacked with a baseball bat by these heroes on the news tonight?
Did you see all the smashed cars in the street.
I don't know who did it, whether they were Aussies or Lebanese - but what i see in you is someone who can't see that there are problems on both sides of the debate. Nobody here is condoning the actions of a small group of Lebanese, and I'm not blaming every Australian who was there last night for the violence. I think it's the adage that two wrongs don't make a right, especially in this situation. And people going out and saying there was 5000 there tonight and probably 10,000 the next are just fuelling hatred and trying to destroy what the majority of us believe is a pretty decent place to live - well, it's the best place IMO.
Trust me, im not overreacting either!
No, perish the thought if you did lol
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All of the stuff which was shown on the news tonight was absolutely disgraceful. Not just from the Lebonese or middle eastern community but also what the Aussies did yesterday.
While i do get annoyed with things other nationalities do at times, this is not even close to the path on which to resolve these issues.
Hoefully it doesnt get to a point where people and in particular innocent people lose their lives coz of this.
Running through streets, trashing cars, hitting people with baseball bats etc etc is as they say cowardly.
I am sure that this rubbish will continue for a while as most of the people involved are probably too stupid to realise they are doing the wrong thing.
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Further proof about how people have become way too soft, just learnt today that my young kids cant even sing ba ba black sheep have you any wool anymore, they have to sing ba ba pink sheep have you any spots? :o
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Moi, overreacting about how the PC folk behave was what i meant! ;)
Yep i saw that, she said how she thought it was simply a party, walked outside and got smashed by a lebo with a baseball bat!
stuffing disgraceful!
Also the girls being told they were going to be raped, can anyone justify that?
These aren't small groups either, we are talking about entire communities here, who have been allowed to do whatever they want without being pulled into line, well the government and the police have had their chance and have done NOTHING to fix the problems, they just made it worse!
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Too wrongs don't make a right Razor. People shouldn't take the law into their own hands. Otherwise we become as bad as America.
And as for politcally correcting Christmas - what a load of rubbish! This point I don't agree with. We allow people from other countries to practice their religion and we respect them for that so please do not try to phase out our religious holidays/practices etc. And those poor Santas! Santa has to have a blue card (in Queensland at least), children are not allowed to sit on his knee, both of Santa's hands must be visible at all times, no giving lollies or patting children on the head (the later offends some religions). The world is going mad!!!
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Hi all, first time poster here, interesting topic this...how come to some when it's surfer type Aussies making absolute dicks of themselves it understandable because their standing up for their rights and when it's Mid-Eastern type Aussies making absolute dicks of themselves it's because their criminal bastards who don't know their place? After what I saw broadcast from Cronulla I'll never look at overseas news footage of riotous louts again and think well, we're better off than lot. The lids off this thing now and nobody knows how it will play out. Will it step up from fists and feet to knives and guns? However it goes you can bet that that prick Howard will play it for all he's worth if means increasing his standing in opinion polls and his grip on power.
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Until Johnny acknowledges that we have a racial problem and it's not just mob violence, we'll have continuing problems. How can we stop it if we have our head in the sand and deny it exists. Methinks by denying it he's condoning it, and going on his past doings with Asians, Tampa, and everything else, how could you not think he is loving it. I despise that man ???
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WP - Go talk to some women who have been gangraped, or even sexually harassed by Lebo's over the past decade and tell them there isn't a problem!
How about Anita Cobby, All of Ivan Milat's victims, All of John Glover's victims, Peter Falconio, Lyndsay Van Blanken (the girl in the cricket bag). Need I go on?? All these horrendous crimes commited by so called 'red blodded' Aussies. When it all boils down, it is the human psyche that makes people dangerous, not our skin colour.
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Then what do you make of these statistics?
+ 40% of Organized Adult Crime is Middle Eastern (with Lebanese representing 26%)
+ 26% of Youth Gangs in Australia are Lebanese.
+ Lebanese are convicted of crime three more times than any Australian.
+ Thus, immigrants from Lebanon have a higher rate of imprisonment.
+ Lebanese rape at double the rate of Australian Citizens.
I'm happy to get more statistics if you want!
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No need for my Stats Razor ;) just the source of the stats please :)
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No need for my Stats Razor ;) just the source of the stats please :)
The stats are taken from:
http://www.uts.edu.au/new/releases/2002/September/pdfs/f_section5.pdf
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/ethnicity-crime/ethnic-ch4.pdf
Also some more stats:
+ 5 out of every 100 Lebanese will commit a crime.
+ 6 out of every 100 Vietnamese will commit a crime
+ 2 out of every 100 Vietnamese will be a drug dealer
+ 4.5 out of every 100 Turkish will commit a crime
+ Only 3 out of every 100 Australian citizens will commit a crime, and only 0.3 out of 100 will be a drug dealer.
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LOL. It's those bloody Romanians and Russians we've really got to watch out for :rollin.
The first link is hard to take seriously as it's based on surveys which are highly subjective and not recorded crime statistics plus the number of respondents to each survey is low so statistically a poor sample IMHO. Any sample well below 1000 gives you dubious stats as the error margin is too high. Statistical errors go as the 1/Sqrt{N} where N is the sample size. So a sample size of only around 100 will have a 10% error whereas a sample of 1000 only has around a 2-3% error.
The second link is stats for foreign-born vs Australian born. Youths born hear with either Lebanese Vietnamese parents or decent would come under the Australian-born stats. There would be a large number of Aussie-born "Vietnamese" now either children and even grandchildren of Vietnamese migrants as the Vietnam War finished over 30 years ago.
In any case 5/100 vs 3/100 is hardly a major discrepancy. If you take a glass half-full view of your stats Razor:
+ 95 out of every 100 Lebanese will NOT commit a crime.
+ 94 out of every 100 Vietnamese will NOT commit a crime
+ 98 out of every 100 Vietnamese will NOT be a drug dealer
+ 95.5 out of every 100 Turkish will NOT commit a crime
+ Only 97 out of every 100 Australian citizens will NOT commit a crime, and only 99.7 out of 100 will NOT be a drug dealer*.
So much for the majority of these groups being a problem :rolleyes.
You've played with the stats Razor to get "Lebanese rape at double the rate of Australian Citizens.". When calibrated out to a 100,000 population yes that's true but in terms of actual attacks, 0.01% were committed by Lebanese-born while the overwhelming majority (70% - 345 attacks) were committed by Aussie-born in Victoria. The Lebanese data (4 attacks) is too small to get a reliable percentage. One more or less attack would significantly change the results by as much as 25%.
Overall these stats prove nothing in terms of race except to say every group has a small minority of human scum and that poor socio-economic issues are the main contributors to crime; not race.
Quotes from the A.I.C.
"There is no way of knowing the background, including the country of birth, of every one who commits a crime in Australia. A comparatively large number of offences, as research and surveys over the last 25 years have revealed, is never reported to the authorities and as such generate no records of their occurrence. This number is close to 60 per cent of all offences that occur in a community."
"The crime rate of foreign-born population is lower than that of the nativeborn
(Dr Morris, in his written comments to the Committee added an interesting qualification - crime rate amongst recent immigrants was lower than the “Old Australians” in similar financial and living conditions)"
"The crime rate of second generation of migrants is higher than that of their parents’ generation and this rate approximates the crime rates of the native-born population"
Over the five year period arrest rate of no migrant group show a consistently increasing trend. Data also show that migrant groups who display higher arrest and imprisonment rate than the Australian-born come from different regions of the world.
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Just on Sydney, it's amazing how when authorities finally enforce the law even on so-called petty ::) crime and provide a visible presence these cowardly thugs on both sides are nowhere to be seen.
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Razor, In you plethora of stats, where do Collingwood supporters come in? Did they make the Eight?? :rollin ;D
Well we all know there are 3 types of lies....Lies, Damn lies and statistics!
A report on the radio suggested that there are 30 cars and 3 bus loads of thugs heading up from Melbourne for another clash. Probably a bunch of Collingwood supporters wanting to get rid of their frustrations early for the upcoming season. ;D
Imagine the queues at the toilets when they stop for a pee break. It would give them fond memories of the old Victoria Park days, especially the last half a dozen or so in the queue when they finally get in and see the state of the loo's after 150+ fellow supporters have been through.
Oooops....I shouldn't single out one particular club! Not very PC! ;D
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Just on Sydney, it's amazing how when authorities finally enforce the law even on so-called petty ::) crime and provide a visible presence these cowardly thugs on both sides are nowhere to be seen.
Cowardly thugs on both sides?
From what i saw all the aussies rocked up in the daytime, in clear view, if any Lebs wanted to have a crack they didn't have to look very far, IMO thats not cowardly!
What IS cowardly is waiting until nighttime, going around in large groups and destroying cars, bashing and stabbing innocent people and threatening to rape girls!
YET, where are the mass arrests of the Lebanese?
All im seeing is Aussies being arrested, and these new laws are to target australian "rioters", not the Lebanese scum who came out in the dark and commited mass acts of vandalism.
It's also come out that the Police were told to AVOID the Lebanese either Sunday or Monday night (i forget which one, but it was in a news article) and focus their attention on any Aussie's causing trouble! :banghead :banghead
Where does the problem lie? Ask the NSW opposition leader, who has finally stood up and said that Iemma is being soft on the Leb youth gangs, because his indeded (sp?) to the Lebs because they all vote for him caus he protects them! :banghead :banghead
Tiga - LOL! :rollin
That report said hoew greeks, serbs, italians were going up there to join the Lebs, i find that very hard to believe!
MT - In regard to that long ass post about the statistics, i'll reply to that later, kinda busy now!
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Where does the problem lie? Ask the NSW opposition leader, who has finally stood up and said that Iemma is being soft on the Leb youth gangs, because his indeded (sp?) to the Lebs because they all vote for him caus he protects them! :banghead :banghead
When did the NSW Opposition Leader stand up and say that?
Iemma has been Premier since August 2005. The last NSW state election was in 2003. When did "all" of the "Lebs" vote for him?
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This is probably what Raz's getting at, Fish. Debnam said this stuff in parliament, with not much to back up his comments it seems.
http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,17575445%255E1702,00.html
Opposition MPs accused the government of being soft on ethnic crime gangs, which they said were involved in Labor Party branch stacking.
"The problem is the government has had a softly, softly strategy for 10 years," opposition leader Peter Debnam told parliament.
"Why? Because you're indebted to some ethnic groups. That's the problem."
NSW Police Minister Carl Scully later defended a decision by police not to confront young men who gathered at Punchbowl in Sydney's west on Monday night.
Mr Scully said police had watched the men gathering around cars and talking but had not seen them commit any crime.
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Thanks Moi. :)
Peter Debman seems a slimy piece of work. Nothing like a bit of political point-scoring from a crappy situation under parliamentary privilege. I reckon he'll appeal to the hysterical xenophobes. :(
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Thanks Moi. :)
Peter Debman seems a slimy piece of work. Nothing like a bit of political point-scoring from a crappy situation under parliamentary privilege. I reckon he'll appeal to the hysterical xenophobes. :(
Thanks Moi! :)
Fish, so your saying his a slimy piece of work simply because he has had a crack at the opposition leader? ???
What Denham said is correct, Iemma is soft on the Lebanese youth gangs!
The new laws Iemma has pushed through are to target aussie "rioters"/protetster, not the Lebanese criminals!
We have seen mass arrests and condemnations of the aussie protesters from the media, and the NSW government and the police force, but the same can't be said for the Lebanese youths!
As for the cops leaving the Leb's alone, what a weak excuse, the police have been caught out cracking down more on the aussies and leaving the Lebs alone, and now they are trying to rubbish their way out of it!
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Fish, so your saying his a slimy piece of work simply because he has had a crack at the opposition leader? ???
No, I'm saying he's a slimy piece of work because he used a session, which was called specifically for passing new laws to hopefully bring the situation under control, to more than likely inflame things for the sake of personal political gain.
He can and should have a go at the Premier/government, but not there and then.
What he said is correct, the new laws Iemma has pushed through are to target aussie "rioters"/protetster, not the Lebanese criminals!
Where did he say that about the new laws? If he did have that view, which he hasn't, why did he pass the new laws?
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Of course Iemma didn't say that, his not THAT stupid!
If you read everything that is written about these new laws, they always say they are to prevent any further riots like last Sundays!
No mention of last Sunday nights or Monday nights riots, no law saying that they will lock up Lebanese, only aussies!
Watch some news and read some newspaper articles, the police are focusing on targeting and preventing aussies from protesting, not arresting these Lebanese career criminals!
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What he said is correct, the new laws Iemma has pushed through are to target aussie "rioters"/protetster, not the Lebanese criminals!
You have attributed this to Peter Debman.
Same question: Where did he say that about the new laws? If he did have that view, which he hasn't, why did he pass the new laws?
No mention of last Sunday nights or Monday nights riots, no law saying that they will lock up Lebanese, only aussies!
Watch some news and read some newspaper articles, the police are focusing on targeting and preventing aussies from protesting, not arresting these Lebanese career criminals!
The news I read and watch must be different to what you read and watch. :)
They can only have a law saying that they will lock up offenders. It can't be itemised based on race. In any event, whether you like it or not, those Lebs you keep refering to are Aussies.
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Ah know i see what you mean!
When i said "What he said is correct" it was in reference to Debman's comments in the article Moi posted, about Iemma being soft on the Lebenese youth gangs!
Poorly worded on my part, ill fix it up now!
The Lebs i keep referring to our Aussies? Fish they don't even refer to themselves as Aussies, they refer to themselves as Lebenese, and im more then happy to call them by what they want to be called!
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So what's your problem Razor, did some Lebanese dude warn you off his sister or something :lol.
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Fish they don't even refer to themselves as Aussies, they refer to themselves as Lebenese
Now we're finding common ground. ;)
I think this is the root cause of the trouble. Whether or not they like it, they are Aussies. I feel sorry for the vast majority of Australians with a Lebanese heritage who are being tainted by a few who disregard our laws and are openly anti-social. I'm always amazed why they don't bugger off to where they actually want to be instead of hanging around whinging and making things uncomfortable for those who do want to be here.
That doesn't make the actions and attitudes particularly in the last week right though.
The only positive I can see from what is happening is that it's now in the open so something has to be done to remedy it. Hopefully education and conciliation do the trick and everyone can get along together. Not holding my breath. :(
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Fish they don't even refer to themselves as Aussies, they refer to themselves as Lebenese
Now we're finding common ground. ;)
Not with me you're not lol. If i lived o/s somewhere, I'd still refer to myself as being an Aussie, unless i was born there. Nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage as long as you abide by the laws of this country. What gets me is even if they said they were Aussies, everyone would still ask them what country do you come from lol. They can't win. As long as they abide by the laws of this country, and probably 99.9% of them do (and i don't have statistics to quote lol) who cares.
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Not with me you're not lol. If i lived o/s somewhere, I'd still refer to myself as being an Aussie, unless i was born there.
I'd be interested to know whether most of the ones causing trouble were born here. Without knowing, my guess would be yes.
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A fair few of the trouble makers were born here, that technically makes them Aussies, but they want to segregate themselves and call themselves Lebs!
Fish, their own country wouldn't put up with them acting like that, that and the fact that our government allows them to preach their hate filled religion, which urges them to show violence to all "non-believers"!
I read a website the other day which had some interesting quotes from the Koran about this sort of stuff, if anyone is interested!
Moi, you say "they cant win" so your saying that because of all the "persecution" they have to "endure" that every crime they commit is excuseable?
They have a choice to follow OUR laws, they choose not to, so whatever the consequences the Lebanese groups end up with they have brought on themselves!
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Fish, their own country wouldn't put up with them acting like that, that and the fact that our government allows them to preach their hate filled religion, which urges them to show violence to all "non-believers"!
I think you can blame thugs for thuggery, not the government for allowing their religion.
I won't answer for Moi, but you are putting words in her mouth that she didn't say.
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I wasn't putting words in her own mouth, simply having my own opinion!
Do some research into their religion, you will find some very interesting things about their opinions of people who dont follow islam!
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Moi, you say "they cant win" so your saying that because of all the "persecution" they have to "endure" that every crime they commit is excuseable?
It wasn't as deep as that lol. You said they refer to themselves as Lebanese and not Aussies. And I was saying, even if they called themselves Aussies, people would still ask what country they came from. That's why they can't win, because even when they think of themselves as Aussies, people still think otherwise. I doubt Razer you'd ever accept any of them even if they were as dinky di as the best of them.
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A similar thing happens in Japan where children who were conceived by Japanese mothers from Austrailan fathers during the occupation of Japan at the end of WWII are to this day treated as outcasts because they are of Anglo Saxon appearance yet they are as Japanese as any of their non mixed race countrymen. They are always having to convince people that they are not outsiders but born and bred Japanese and the constant pressure of this has even driven some to suicide.
Quite sad really.
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Another example that multiculturalism and "race breeding" (for a lack of a better term) only leads to problems!
People like to say multiculturalism works, it doesn't, atleast not in the big picture!
Cronulla is just another example on a very long list that it simply doesn't work, especially when the migrants end up having more rights then the Australians!
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Welcome to OER Ethel Merman :)
Cowardly thugs on both sides?
From what i saw all the aussies rocked up in the daytime, in clear view, if any Lebs wanted to have a crack they didn't have to look very far, IMO thats not cowardly!
What IS cowardly is waiting until nighttime, going around in large groups and destroying cars, bashing and stabbing innocent people and threatening to rape girls!
So mob rule, where anyone who looked a certain race is set upon or where glass beer bottles are thrown at ambos taking injured victims away, is not cowardly because it was done during daylight hours... Che! ??? :help. Sounds and looks like cowardly thug behaviour to me just as were the night-time rampages that followed and the lifesaver bashings that preceded it. All are illustrations of mindless mob rule mentality and a lack of law enforcement by the authorities.
If i lived o/s somewhere, I'd still refer to myself as being an Aussie, unless i was born there. Nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage as long as you abide by the laws of this country. What gets me is even if they said they were Aussies, everyone would still ask them what country do you come from lol. They can't win. As long as they abide by the laws of this country, and probably 99.9% of them do (and i don't have statistics to quote lol) who cares.
Agree Moi.
A caller rang into 3aw last week about the riots and ethnic youth gangs. He mentioned he was an Aussie of lebanese background and that these lebanese youth gangs in Sydney were criminals and asked people not to label all lebanese Australians with the same brush. He copped the 3rd degree from Ross Warneke for bringing up his background when his point wouldn't have made any sense if he hadn't. FFS since when was bringing up where you originally come from or your heritage classed as treason! All that matters is you're a law-abiding citizen and you don't hurt others (hence why these youth gangs in Sydney are thugs). Sheesh most of the time heritage is a topic for small-talk or a harmless ice-breaker when you meet someone new with a distant accent. We have this American guy at work who's been living in Oz for 30 years. It's a bit hard for newbies to ignore a loud booming yank accent lol.
Do some research into their religion, you will find some very interesting things about their opinions of people who dont follow islam!
All religious texts are far too open to a multitude of interpretations and contain some barbaric verses by today's standards (Leviticus in the Bible for instance). You could justify anything if you really wanted to whether it be the Koran, Bible or whatever. Just look as those fundamentalist so-called christians in the US who shoot doctors who perform abortions. On a non-violent scale there's also Benny Hinn's solution to reducing hospital waiting lists lol (what a crack-up that show is :rollin)
Mention Genesis and one group of Christians will say Adam and Eve etc are just stories to illustrate a point about the choice between following God (good) or not (evil) and you having a choice between the two; on the other hand some hardcore fundamentists take a totally literal view and start setting up theme parks in the US about "intellectual design" and wanting I.D. taught in all schools as fact :o.
Only the nutty fundamental self-called moslems believe the crap you are alluding to Razor. As I mentioned before one of my mates is Bangladeshi/moslem - moved here when he was 2 years old (btw he's off again to Reno to do ski instructoring in the US the lucky B lol). "Jihad" is meant to mean fighting within yourself in terms of fighting temptation when deciding between good and evil. Pretty hand-wavey as these books are. These crackpots like Benbrika (sp?) use such a statement to justify wiping out anyone who doesn't follow their twisted fascist form of Islam which is basically do what they say or else. The leader of taliban (Omar IIRC) banned all television because he claimed it was non-islamic yet who had the only working TV in Afghanistan in his home with CNN of all channels on?! These fundamentalist psychopaths are hypocrites! More moslems have died from terrorist bombings under the name of Islam than the "infidel". Nothing like a lust for power and absolute control to corrupt people ;).
Another example that multiculturalism and "race breeding" (for a lack of a better term) only leads to problems!
People like to say multiculturalism works, it doesn't, atleast not in the big picture!
Cronulla is just another example on a very long list that it simply doesn't work, especially when the migrants end up having more rights then the Australians!
I have no idea what you mean Razor by "race breeding" ??? in relation to multiculturalism but moving along I would argue Australia and in particular Melbourne is an example that multiculturalism does work over time. We have been able to absorb peacefully people from all parts of the world and the cultures (as opposed to laws) they bring with them under the secular British institutions and law we inherited and modified to our needs. A small minority of thugs (there will always be some) shouldn't denigrate the efforts of 20 million Aussies to provide the fortuante country we live in.
Where Sydney authorities went wrong was the government, police and community leaders such as Trad failed to crackdown on violent crime and uphold the law at an early stage and while in denial they let the racism (on both sides) and crime/thuggery continue and fester until mass riots forced them to do something they should have done 5 years earlier.
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Razor, In you plethora of stats, where do Collingwood supporters come in? Did they make the Eight?? :rollin ;D
A report on the radio suggested that there are 30 cars and 3 bus loads of thugs heading up from Melbourne for another clash. Probably a bunch of Collingwood supporters wanting to get rid of their frustrations early for the upcoming season. ;D
Imagine the queues at the toilets when they stop for a pee break. It would give them fond memories of the old Victoria Park days, especially the last half a dozen or so in the queue when they finally get in and see the state of the loo's after 150+ fellow supporters have been through.
Oooops....I shouldn't single out one particular club! Not very PC! ;D
An oldie but a goodie ;D
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/darwin.jpg)
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MT, easy up on the posts mate it would take me forever to do a full reply to every point you made there! ;)
As far as my point about the Koran and other islamic religious stuff......
For people who don't believe in Islam:
Koran 5:34 "slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter"
Koran 5:51 "O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends, they are friends of each other, and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people"
Koran 8:12 "Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them."
Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 4:52:73 "Allah's Apostle (Muhammed) said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords"
Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 8:82:794 "Muhammad ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized until they die"
Now tell me MT that Islam doesn't practice hate against "non believers"?
You keep saying that the trouble makers are all a "minority" group, i think you will find that that is nothing but rubbish, now while i dont have any statistics in regards to prisons, im going to lay a bet that there are tens of thousands of ethnic criminals in our jails!
The "race breeding doesn't work" statement was in reference to tiga's point!
A similar thing happens in Japan where children who were conceived by Japanese mothers from Austrailan fathers during the occupation of Japan at the end of WWII are to this day treated as outcasts because they are of Anglo Saxon appearance yet they are as Japanese as any of their non mixed race countrymen. They are always having to convince people that they are not outsiders but born and bred Japanese and the constant pressure of this has even driven some to suicide.
Quite sad really.
Like i said, another example that mixing races and cultures doesn't work, and this time it isn't even in Australia!
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You could do a similar thing with the bible especially the Old Testament Razor where stonings of sons, slaughtering of enemies including their children, etc are considered justified in context. There are plenty of contradictions in religious texts. Furthermore these books aren't written by their founders and were written down well after the founder had died and often by those who never met him. Mohammod was illiterate so he couldn't have written it. The Hadith was written at least 200 years after. The Biblical Gospels at least 30-40 years after and not a single word by Geez.
You're asking the wrong person in terms of believing most of this stuff Razor. The problem is there's nutters out there stupid enough to take all this stuff literally even though these stories were written by people 1300 to 2000 years ago in contempary terms and more likely than not fiddled with since. Worse still there are those who will pick these verses out to condone atrocities against non-believers even though other parts of the text say such things are forbidden.
Most believers are lucky to have read even a fraction of scripture themselves. These texts are longer than "War and Peace". Most believers would argue they follow the spirit of the religion and life of the founder which in the case of Geez and Mohammod is conveyed as a life of promoting peace, unity and forgiveness whether fact or fiction. I went to a Catholic school and it was parts of each of the gospels, genesis, exodus and a few psalms. That's it. Believers rely on religious leaders to convey messages of the whole text and relate them to the present. These "leaders" have to pick and choose a topic each week to deliver a sermon. If these religious leaders are fanatical and corrupt (eg: Benbrika) then any religion is easily open to violent corruption especially with the young and impressionable. In the past Christianity has been corrupted (the crusades, the inquisition, etc) and Islam is no different. Religion provides a great deal of power and control over others to those in power and its not something these hardline fanatics will give up lightly. Just look at Iran. This "us vs them" tactic is the oldest trick in the book.
Turkey is an muslim nation but they have secular laws and are a liberal democracy. Not surprisingly they decided to be part of Europe when most of the country is in the Middle East. At the end of the day most people wherever they come from want the same thing IMO - peace, representation and prosperity for themselves and their families. When these things don't exist in areas around the world then extremists of all forms are given a voice. A moderate form of Islam and western democracy can work but these fanactics don't want it to. It's good leadership that Islam is strongly lacking IMHO rather than the religion itself being rotten to the core.
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Your entire argument would be valid if i was a christian, me being a atheist though it just doesn't work with me.
I'm not defending christiaity, although i haven't seen as many hate filled verses come from the bible then from the koran and such.
Also, you will find that most, if not all pastors and church guru's don't preach those "bad" verses, yet the radical islamic leaders preach them far more then the peaceful ones.
The government allows these radicals into the country, then allows them to preach their hate filled religion.
Just like the england attacks, when there is a terrorist attack in Australia, the perpetrators will come from WITHIN this country.
The governments, ever since the 70's have allowed migrants to come into this country unchecked, without even asking the people if they wanted multiculturalism.
Beazley said on Sydney radio the other day that he WOULDN'T allow Australia to have a referendum in regards to multuculturalism, i wonder why that is?
He knows that, if the people had of had a say in it, a large % of people would vote against it.
The islamic groups cry racism and religious persecution everytime the police or government crack down on these radicals, and the left wing nutcases always defend them!
Have you seen the pictures from the sydney rally yesterday?
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"We stand with the LEBANESE AGAINST RACISTS"
Hang on, what about the australians who are attacked simply because they are "white"?
What about the girls who are spat on, sexually harassed and even raped because they are "aussie sluts"?
Why aren't the lefties standing with THEM against the racist-based attacks of the Lebanese criminals?
Answer me that question!
Racism isn't a one-way street, despite what the hippies say!
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This one pretty much speaks for itself, i thought i had seen the leftiest of the left wing, but she just takes the cake! :banghead :banghead
These are the types of nuts who's fault it will be when the rialto tower, or the MCG, or the Opera House get blown up, not because they blew up the bombs, but because they defended the people who commited the terrorist acts, and protected them against the people who's job it was to stop terrorism!
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Not a good week for the national flag the way it was manipulated for political motives.
Not everyone who supports multiculturalism is a lefty Razor although the Andrew Bolts of this world would have you believe it ::). We've had mass immigration since the late 1940's not just from the 70's and from either time we've had mainly Conservative governments in power and federally for the past 10 years. The usual crowd don't want to admit the benefits to our society both culturally and economically have far outwayed the negatives nor admit that our population would have fallen and would fall because our birth rate is low and our population is ageing. But hey we could always follow Hanson economics of shutting up shop and "printing more money" when the economy hits the skids :help :banghead ::).
It's hard to have a referendum on a topic that many people can't even agree on what it even means. Nor is it a constitutional law. In any case what do you do if it fails ??? - shut down Lygon street, Sydney Rd and Bridge Road and boot half the population out. Good luck lol. In any case referendums have a shocking record of getting up in Australia so you might be surprised. From memory there's only been four successful ones in over 100 years and the last was abolishing terra-nullus and allowing aborigines to vote in 1967.
I don't see anyone defending Benbrika and his alleged terrorist cronies nor anyone protesting against the actions of the NSW police currently on South Sydney beaches. 4-5 arrests today - 1-2 white sepremist Anglo-aussies, 1 indigenous-aussie + a pair of middle eastern-aussies (well going on their names). Thuggery doesn't discriminate between races nor does racism. Thankfully it appears the authorities have finally decided to enforce the law.
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This is quite an interesting discussion and it's good to hear such diverse points of view.
I have to agree with some of Razor's comments on the two photos he posted. The first banner in a sense is actually inciting racism by what it portrays. Are they lebanese? Are they Lebanese Australian or are they Australians??? That's like referring to an African American as an African!
Maybe the banner should have said "We stand with Australians against racism." People who are new to this country need to understand that you can embrace the Austrailan culture and way of life and still maintain close links to their heritage.
My Boss came to Australia from Germany in 1987, became an Australian citizen, and considers himself to be a proud Australian yet he is still able to embrace his German heritage and he is still proud of where he came from. When he first came here, he copped all the usual zeig hail and hitler crap that German imigrants usually cop but he rose above all of it. He even has an Australian flag in his yard and really loves this country.
I think this is where the defining line of this argument is. Most of the people I know of European and Asian heritage, Of which are many of my good friends have embraced the Australian way of life just like my boss but they still have the balance of being able to enjoy the culture of their origin.
I think that Razor is trying to pinpoint the minority of ethnic origin who refuse to embrace the Australian way of life in any way, shape or form. To me as far as I'm concerned these people are racist in themselves. In a sense, think of it as moving in to stay at someone's house only to disobey all the house rules and disrespect the hosts by telling them that everything they stand for and believe in is total crap!
As far as comparing the Koran with the Bible, lets face it, most wars throughout the years have been based on Religion. Religion is just various groups of people who come together with a common belief. As Humans, if we feel our beliefs are being threatened, we react. Just like if we sat the Collingwood and Richmond cheer squads next to each other on gameday. (I saw this at VFL park once. Not a pretty site! ;D)
To the second photo, this Woman hasn't got a clue! Rent a crowd I bet. Some chumped up bint, angry at the world, looking for a cause no matter how misguided it is just so she feels as though she has some sort of purpose in this mortal coil.
I think 50cc's of self reflection should be her prescription.....STAT! Enough said!
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This is quite an interesting discussion and it's good to hear such diverse points of view.
Really, i thought i was just talking racist rederick! :rollin ;)
I have to agree with some of Razor's comments
You poor thing, you must be hallucinating! :thumbsup
I think that Razor is trying to pinpoint the minority of ethnic origin who refuse to embrace the Australian way of life in any way, shape or form. To me as far as I'm concerned these people are racist in themselves. In a sense, think of it as moving in to stay at someone's house only to disobey all the house rules and disrespect the hosts by telling them that everything they stand for and believe in is total crap!
Gold star to Tiga!
They do this, yet the left-wing nutters defend them when they are attacked by whoever it may be, for refusing to asssimiliate and wanting things changed to suit their needs!
I don't know if i read this here or somewhere else, but apparently some asians are peticioning their local council to change the street signs to their language, so THEY can read it! :o
Our coutry, our language! :banghead
As far as comparing the Koran with the Bible, lets face it, most wars throughout the years have been based on Religion. Religion is just various groups of people who come together with a common belief. As Humans, if we feel our beliefs are being threatened, we react.
This is true, but you'll find that the Koran is a lot more hatefilled then the bible.
As far as im concerned people can practice whatever bloody religion they want, as long as:
1. I don't have to change anything i do or anything i say to suit their religion.
2. They don't preach hate and violence against "non-whites" (see islam).
3. They don't demand that i convert to their religion (see islam).
4. They respect whatever i believe in and don't condemn me for it.
I'm an atheist, so i don't really know if they'd have a problem with that or not, but since the Koran state death to all "non-believers" im going to make the assumption that im included in that group.
Why is it that people like Hindu's, who from what ive seen are HUGE on religion and cultural traditions, don't affect any australians and aren't placading for people to change their ways to suit them, yet these islams DEMAND australians change their ways to suit THEIR religion, or else!
The sooner most people realise that the Australians aren't the problem, and that the muslims are the ones causing all the trouble, the quicker this pooh will be resolved (yes im talking to you Mr. Iemma and police commisioner Moroney!).
To the second photo, this Woman hasn't got a clue! Rent a crowd I bet. Some chumped up bint, angry at the world, looking for a cause no matter how misguided it is just so she feels as though she has some sort of purpose in this mortal coil.
I think 50cc's of self reflection should be her prescription.....STAT! Enough said!
Probably, but it just shows you how deluded some left wing people are.
Don't think this is a one off person, their are really a LOT of people like this in Australia, god i had to take some silly social studies module at TAFE this past year, and although it only went for 8 classes, it really opened my eyes to how deluded some people are in this world ie: Ethnic crime is caused by religious persecution, we need more immigrants, Howard is a war criminal (that one i loved the most!).
Now everyone who doesn't like multiculturalism is being labelled a neo-nazi and a white supremacist, when really the term should be "nationalist".
I'm a nationalist and proud of it, and im not even an extreme nationalist, yet some of my opinions have been deemed racist by certain lunatics.
Not being a supporter of multiculturalism doesn't = racist
Not supporting immigration doesn't = racist
Defending yourself against racially motivated attacks by Lebanese doesn't = racist
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Out of interest Razor, Did you vote One Nation?? Apparently they got 15% of the national vote.
Your views are somewhat more extreme than mine. I didn't mention anything about lefties in fact, how do you know a persons political persuasion by looking at them?? You must have idiot eyes or something because I didn't see that woman as a Leftie, I just saw her as a deluded fool rubbishing our flag which cuts me to the grain
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Razor, you must be reading....Koran....The Directors cut!. :rollin
From My basic undertanding, Islam is actually a faith based on peace, it's the extreme religious fundamentalists that twist the words around to suit their suicidal tendencies. Not unlike the genocide based on the Bible such as the religious crusades and the Spanish Inquisition.(which nobody exprected! :lol Sorry I just had to put that in being an old monty python fan)
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I didn't vote for anyone last election, wasn't allowed to! ;)
Well i think its fairly obvious she's not right, and she's in a left-wing rally!
Trust me if i had idiot eyes i wouldn't be talking about racism on the net, there's plenty of things to look at which normally girls i mean people don't show off! :rollin :rollin
I've been reading the "white supremacist" version of the Koran, i mean surely they wouldn't twist the words around to favour their own motives! :santa
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The sooner most people realise that the Australians aren't the problem, and that the muslims are the ones causing all the trouble, the quicker this pooh will be resolved (yes im talking to you Mr. Iemma and police commisioner Moroney!).
What about if they're Aussie muslims Razor? Sweeping generalisations make no sense whatsoever. They aren't all angels or all demons. I disagree with both far left and far right views. Every one has its small proportion of lowlives. When you reduce it down to treating people as individuals (and how they treat you in return) rather than going with the mindless mob mentally, I'd rather be friends with my Aussie Bangladeshi mate ski-instructing in the US than with some psycho white-sepremacist loser who needs to find scapegoats to avoid admitting to his own failings.
As for arguing about immigration and multiculturalism, sure it isn't perfect but I'd rather use the past 60 years of prosperity and the variety of choice we have and share today to defend both. Makes you just want to shudder at what might have been if we had remained Fortress Australia and followed the Hansonites of this world. I wonder if these people would give up all the vast good things that have come from immigration and multiculturalism to have their imaginary utopian isolated little world ::).
Now everyone who doesn't like multiculturalism is being labelled a neo-nazi and a white supremacist, when really the term should be "nationalist".
Nazi is an abbreviation of the first 4 letters in Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei which translated stands for the National Socialist German Workers' Party. In German the "ti" is pronouced as "tsi" (zee) and the "a" pronouced as "ar" as in car. Hence Nar-zee.
Unlike in English, German distinguishes between vowel sounds. When you put an umlat (two dots) above the "a" then it becomes equivalent to writing "ae" pronounced "ay" as in day. No worrying about "you say tomato and I say tomato" in German.
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Well if the Muslims considered themselves Australian, and not wherever their parents are from, it wouldn't be a problem would it, but oh no even though they have AUSTRALIAN citizenship, were born in AUSTRALIA or even live in AUSTRALIA they consider themselves some other nationality!
As for your 2nd comment, i have no idea why you said it! ???
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Well if the Muslims considered themselves Australian, and not wherever their parents are from, it wouldn't be a problem would it, but oh no even though they have AUSTRALIAN citizenship, were born in AUSTRALIA or even live in AUSTRALIA they consider themselves some other nationality!
What all/most of them ???
As for your 2nd comment, i have no idea why you said it! ???
Just being pedantic. Far right groups call themselves Nationalists as they follow the ideology of National Socialism and often have the word National or variations of it in their group's name such as National Action in Australia. A Nazi (NSDAP) is a Nationalist.
This is opposed to calling yourself "nationalistic" and highly patriotic etc which I'm not actually of fan of either as it too can lead to senseless stupidity (see WW1) and a loss of individual freedoms. I've always been proud of our subtle Aussie pride without the superficial waving of banners and flags crap.
As for some elements within that crowd at Cronulla and that sent sms messages around, they were definitely of the former variety.
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A Nazi (NSDAP) is a Nationalist.
Nationalists and nazi should never, ever be used in the same sentence.
A Nazi is a nationalist gone completely and utterly mad.
Neo-Nazi is probably as far right as you can get, and frankly these people are just plain nuts.
As far as dictionary.com goes, "nationalist" means:
1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.
Notice the one thing all the definitions have in common, there is NO reference made to any form of persecution of other races or religions!
Can't say the same for "white supremacist" though:
One who believes that white people are racially superior to others and should therefore dominate society.
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A Nazi (NSDAP) is a Nationalist.
Nationalists and nazi should never, ever be used in the same sentence.
A Nazi is a nationalist gone completely and utterly mad.
Neo-Nazi is probably as far right as you can get, and frankly these people are just plain nuts.
Never said all nationalists were/are nazis. Chinese nationalists (now in Taiwan after their defeat by Mao's communists) for instance weren't and would come under your third definition in response to foreign western powers exploiting their economic control over China in the 19th century. The third definition doesn't apply to Australia as we are an independent nation (well in practice anyway but becoming a republic is whole different debate ;) ).
However the Nazis still consider(ed) themselves nationalists as it is part of their ideology.
As far as dictionary.com goes, "nationalist" means:
1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
Notice the one thing all the definitions have in common, there is NO reference made to any form of persecution of other races or religions!
But in reality that is often not the case and this "devotion" to the nation's "culture" is often translated into xenophobia. What's more because of shared nationalist beliefs, Nationalists have in the past sympathised and sided with the far extreme. It was the German Nationalists (NDVP) that allied with the Nazis to give Hitler the majority of seats in the Reichstag in 1933 he needed to form government.
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Council bans Australian flag
From: AAP
January 01, 2006
A SYDNEY council voted against flying the Australian flag at Bondi Beach because of fears it would incite more race-fuelled violence on the city's beaches.
Waverley Council voted 6-5 against the move on December 13, The Daily Telegraph newspaper reports.
The Australian flag, along with an Aboriginal flag, were to be provided by federal Liberal MP Malcolm Turnbull and flown over the Bondi Beach pavilion.
But Greens councillor George Copeland said the flag had been used in the recent race riots as "a symbol around which to perpetrate racial violence".
The decision has been criticised by the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia founder Keysar Trad and Police Association president Bob Pritchard as well as locals and returned servicemen.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17709755-29280,00.html
I'm interested on other peoples thought on this before i go on about it!
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Sounded like some councillers playing politics rather than PC to me. One side of the political divide puts up an idea so the other automatically opposes it pulling some pathetic excuse out of thin air to justify their stance despite not one community group being against the idea of the flags.
You've got to love local councillers and their decision makings lol.
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This country is becoming a joke is basically all i can say on the matter, stuffing immigrants and ethnics have FAR more rights then white people in this country today, and i can't see it ever changing.
Unfortunately it will take a terrorist attack in Australia before people finally wake up and realise that muslims/islam/lebo's are nothing but trouble and should be sent back to the 3rd world countries that didn't even want them in the first place.
Call me racist all you want i don't really care anymore, they all are a problem that needs to be fixed.
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So it seems the police LIED about having footage of middle easterners/lebs bashing white aussies, if anyone has seen the news today they know what i'm talking about.
The only reason the footage has been released to the public is becuase of the NSW opposition leader's comments in regards to who is being arrested and for what.
It seems that NONE, yes i repeat NONE of the Lebs who went around smashing cars, stabbing people, sexually harassing women have been arrested, yet everyday more and more white australians are being arrested, not for assault, but for riot and affray.
There were some very interesting happenings on Sydney radio today, after Police Commisioner Moroney came out and said there was little to no evidence of which to charge any Lebanese men for the two nights of rioting, a number of policemen contacted Sydney Radio stations and stated that there is an abundance of evidence, certainly enough to lay plenty of charges over the retaliatin riots, HOWEVER they have been told by their superiors to focus on investigating and arresting men from the Cronulla riots, essentially focus on arresting white australians.
Here's an interesting fact for people, Morris Iemma is the representative of Lakemba, the same Lakemba where most of the Lebs who carried out the retaliation riots came from!
I guess its no wonder why they're haven't been any arrests is there!
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"Get your hand off it"
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/flag-burner-sentenced-to-jail/2006/01/12/1136956303508.html
Get some wisdom.
regards
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I guess you didn't really read my post properly:
It seems that NONE, yes i repeat NONE of the Lebs who went around smashing cars, stabbing people, sexually harassing women have been arrested
That article is nothing but trying to gauge sympathy for the "poor lebanese people".
idiot should have thought about it a but more before he decided to burn the Australian flag!
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As the old saying goes Razor ..... whenever one suspects a conspiracy, it's usually incompentency ;).
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I think its a bit of both actually!
Atleast now a lot more people are starting to agree that the Labor government are soft on ethnic/Lebanese crime.
Even Howard has come out and defended Debnam's comments!
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Even Howard has come out and defended Debnam's comments!
If "Honest" John says so it must be true lol :sleep. They're both members of the Liberal party so what would expect (the same thing would happen if it was Labor).
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Even Howard has come out and defended Debnam's comments!
Hardly the person i'd want an endorsement from :wallywink
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It's better then an endorsment from the leader of the Labor (or should i say multicultural) party.
What annoys me though is that Howard is in the position to fix the multicultural problem and he hasn't done so, but atleast the Liberals aren't as bad (and my bad, i mean left) as Labor who simply opened the gates and let every god dam ethnic in from the 70's.
As far as federal government goes, Liberals are not the answer to the problem of multiculturalism, but they are definetly the lesser of the two evils.
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It's better then an endorsment from the leader of the Labor (or should i say multicultural) party.
Both major parties, and most minor parties, are multicultural. They have to be because ours is a multicultural society.
What annoys me though is that Howard is in the position to fix the multicultural problem and he hasn't done so, but atleast the Liberals aren't as bad (and my bad, i mean left) as Labor who simply opened the gates and let every god dam ethnic in from the 70's.
The number and percentage of migrants from non-European countries did not increase until the Fraser government (Lib/NP) increased overall immigration in 1975.
The "White Australia Policy" was gradually dismantled between 1949 and 1973. Australia was governed by a Liberal/Country Party coalition from 1949 to 1971. The Whitlam Labour government put the finishing touches to the dismantling work done by the previous governments by removing race as a factor in Australian Immigration policies but they also reduced the overall immigration intake.
As far as federal government goes, Liberals are not the answer to the problem of multiculturalism, but they are definetly the lesser of the two evils.
I don't see multiculturism as a problem. There are some problems arising from it but there are some problems arising from any society, multicultural or not.
You state that multiculturism is a problem. Cronulla is a drop in the ocean in the overall scheme.
I assume that if you don't think either major party is the answer but that one is better than the other that you must have answers yourself. How would you specifically fix this "problem of multiculturism" if you were if in a position to do so?
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How would you specifically fix this "problem of multiculturism" if you were if in a position to do so?
I luv multiculuralism - all that food lol. But if i wasn't one who didn't like it, you can't solve it - you have to learn to live with it. As soon as that first white Pommy set foot on this wonderful land, multiculturalism began. Do you go back and get rid of all of us, or just target certain races that are not to your taste ::) Thinking what Razor will say "Just the troublemakers". Well, there's troublemakers in all races.
And if you saw the video footage, Razor, who specifically would you arrest? None were recognisable and not hard to understand why there were no arrests.
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There is nothing wrong with anglo-saxon immigration, they come here and work and blend into and accept australian culture and traditions fo the most part, and the ones that don't generally don't go around casuing trouble anyway.
I did see the video footage, you could make some of the guys out, then today tonight went to a video enhancer expert, and he made the video a much better quality and you could CLEARLY make some of the faces out, and they even said with more time and a better computer they could make the pictures better.
The problem is ethnic immigration, bringing in all these muslims, africans and asians who for the most part come here, bludge on welfare, are a drain on society, commit crime and the ones that are actually arrested are a financial drain on this country because we have to put them in jail.
The crazy left wing, PC people support ethnic crime, they support ethnic gang rapes on white girls, they support ethnic gang violence against innocent white people, and they say that the problem is that we aren't "tolerant" of them and their beliefs, or they don't understand our culture! ::)
The only way to start to fix this problem is to stop any form of immigration from the middle east, africa, asia and indonesia, or other areas where muslims, africans and asian people reside, and start to cancel visa's for these people, only allowing SOME of the "trained professionals" to stay, who have actually worked and not the bludgers.
Also encourage and allow white immigration from the UK, america and a majority of europe.
Its laughable that the government is bringing in skilled workers when any qualification they have isn't recognized by Australia.
We need to start to clean up this country and get rid of the filth before its too late.
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Thanks for answering my question Razor, also for clearly stating your position.
I appreciate your candidness. We'll never find common ground on this subject so I'll drop it (at least for now ;)).
Must say I'm confused about this 'crazy left' you keep refering to. Based solely on your posts in this thread, I've got the feeling that anyone slightly left of the extreme right would meet your criteria to qualify.
Anyway, more power to everyone living here getting along and even more power to talk about the tiges..
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Thanks for answering my question Razor, also for clearly stating your position.
I appreciate your candidness. We'll never find common ground on this subject so I'll drop it (at least for now ;)).
Must say I'm confused about this 'crazy left' you keep refering to. Based solely on your posts in this thread, I've got the feeling that anyone slightly left of the extreme right would meet your criteria to qualify.
Anyway, more power to everyone living here getting along and even more power to talk about the tiges..
FF- I give you credit for engaging with this bloke. The more he expands on his ratbag reasoning the weaker his poisonous argument becomes.
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Care to argue the issue ethel?
No not really, i mean for example Moi doesn't agree with me but i wouldn't consider her left, although her nievity about the gang attack video has me a bir worried about her! ;)
The "extreme left wing" guys are nearly as dangerous as the ethnic gangs, these are people who lay the blame of ethnic violence solely at the feet of the "evil white man" who "persecute" the poor ethnic minorities, and the are only acting out against the oppresion they have to suffer every day, or that us Australians aren't "tolerant" of their culture and beliefs, well im sorry that im not tolerant of gang rapes and wife bashing.
Instead of arguing a point with facts, they will simply cry racist, bigot, white spuremacist, neo-nazi and hope that people will believe that they are simply racist and not listen to them, when infact a fair amount of people who appose multiculturalism are none of these things.
Yes there are extreme right-wingers out there and trust me i dislike some of them as much as lefties do, they have some valid points but they lose any credibility they have with their referneces to Hitler and their proposals for genocide, they do far more damage to the nationalist movement then anyone else.
Poeple just have to understand that multiculturalism is a failed social experiment, nobody asked for it and now a lot of people don't want it but are too afraid to speak out because they will be labelled a racist.
Why is it that tolerance and racism are one-way streets?
Why is it that i must compromise on my traditions to suit these ethnics, yet they will not compromise on their traditions?
Why is it that if a gang of whites beat up an ethnic its a racial crime, yet if a bunch of Lebo's beat up a white its called "retaliation"?
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No not really, i mean for example Moi doesn't agree with me but i wouldn't consider her left, although her nievity about the gang attack video has me a bir worried about her! ;)
The video i saw had backs of heads - i have seen no close up pictures. So worry all you like.
And I'm a leftie and proud of it lol
And i understand you as much as you understand me.
Maybe some who are a little bit in between us hardliners should be the ones commenting, because both of us will never see any reason in each other's position on this issue.
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Care to argue the issue ethel?
A. No Razor, I don't care to argue the issue.
Q. Why not.
A. To argue with you gives your opinions a legitimacy they don't deserve.
Q. Are you intolerant.
A. When it comes to racists, yes most definitely.
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Care to argue the issue ethel?
A. No Razor, I don't care to argue the issue.
Q. Why not.
A. To argue with you gives your opinions a legitimacy they don't deserve.
Q. Are you intolerant.
A. When it comes to racists, yes most definitely.
You've just proven yourself to be nothing but an idiot, you criticize my opinions yet you REFUSE to debate the issue with me!
stuffing hell atleast Moi and Fishfinger had the guts to debate this with me, your just a coward who doesn't know what they're talking about.
Moi - Today Tonight had a very cleaned up video and pictures, also i just saw on the news before family members of one of the guys in the video have contacted the police and told them his name, and the one they said it was was definetly one of the more blurrier people on the video.
Moi, i am curious of your answer to this, what do you see as the benefits of muslim immigration? What is sooooooooo good about it that i should overlook all the negatives of it?
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Moi, i am curious of your answer to this, what do you see as the benefits of muslim immigration? What is sooooooooo good about it that i should overlook all the negatives of it?
Well, i don't see them as any different to any other nationality, being they can only enhance this country with their skills, their culture, just like every other nationality brings to this country, making us more diverse and more interesting than we were. They came here because they wanted to. You treat them with respect and they will conform to your ideal of how they should behave a lot more readily than they would if you continually treat them as if they are some kind of animals.
I agree with you, jail these thugs - but with you it's more than that and it is really, really offensive.
What this thread started out about was thuggery and i have no time for them either, whatever their nationality. But when you say this race is better than that race and espouse this white supremacy crap, it greatly offends me.
And I'm not a Today Tonight watcher so wouldn't have a clue what they had.
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You've just proven yourself to be nothing but an idiot, you criticize my opinions yet you REFUSE to debate the issue with me!
effing hell atleast Moi and Fishfinger had the guts to debate this with me, your just a coward who doesn't know what they're talking about.
And an idiot and a coward? You might be right, you might be wrong. Whatever I am I reckon I can pick a bigoted racist when spot one, the foam around the mouth is the give away.
Go check the mirror Raz.
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being they can only enhance this country with their skills
Work skills? Most of them go on welfare and blug off the system, the ones that do work do jobs that just about any australian could do, so in effect they are stealing jobs aswell.
their culture
The same culture which says beating up your wife is allowed, that murdering your children is allowed because they married a "non-believer", also called honour killings, the same culture which preaches hate and death to all "non-believers", the same culture which encourages gang rape of white women?
making us more diverse and more interesting than we were.
Yeah i can see how all the gang violence and unemployment is really making us more diverse! ::)
They came here because they wanted to.
So? They know that they can get away with whatever they want because the governments are soft on ethnic crime and the delusional left-wingers will defend them at all costs.
You treat them with respect and they will conform to your ideal of how they should behave a lot more readily than they would if you continually treat them as if they are some kind of animals.
Typical leftie comment. So i guess all those girls who were raped didn't treat then with respect? All those elderly people who got their heads bashed in with baseball bats didn't treat them with respect?
They will NEVER conform, they don't want to, why do you think they all move into the same suburbs/slums? I mean for Geez sake their religion basically tells them to murder all "non-believers".
They are animals, and will always be treated like they are animals, they brought this all on themselves.
I agree with you, jail these thugs - but with you it's more than that and it is really, really offensive.
Jail them so we have to spend more and more money on the prison system? They are a drain on our economy whether they are on the streets or in jail, mass deportations must be enforced.
But when you say this race is better than that race and espouse this white supremacy crap, it greatly offends me.
Once again you just had to play the labelling card, i am not a white supremacist, that is just crap, to suggest that would mean that i would like us to have ethnics has slaves, or below me, thats just crap i just want them out of my country.
The professionals who come here, work their asses off and try their best to blend into the community (see most asians, not vietnamese) are welcome.
People who come here, bludge on welfare and commit crime (see vietnamse, africans, lebanese and others) are the ones we need to deport.
I am even in favour of the british national party's proposal to pay them to leave.
Ethel - You've just proven me right again, instead of debating the issue your trying to label me and make me look bad.
Either DEBATE the issue, or leave the thread.
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I have a Muslim girlfriend - she is a doctor, but i wouldn't care if she was a factory worker, she is more than welcome in this country by me. She hasn't raped anyone, or bashed, or bludged off the system. And there are many more like her.
End of subject for me. You're nuts!
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Ethel - You've just proven me right again, instead of debating the issue your trying to label me and make me look bad.
You don't like being labeled. That makes you a hypocritical bigoted racist.
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Moi - Didn't i just say that professional workers are welcome?
I see you didn't bother commenting on my replies, which pretty much destroyed your last post, not suprising.
Ethel - Got no problem being labelled, but i do when im being labelled something i am not!
You have posted 4 times in this thread, and you are get to actually make a comment on the issue, all your doing is labelling me a racist, typical leftie if i've ever seen it, going the man and never the ball.
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We have allowed this thread to stay open given the topic is out in the public arena. However remember:
1) Let's refrain the slanging matches and namecalling (i.e. "idiot") otherwise the thread will have to be locked.
2) There's an onus to back up statements (especially sweeping ones) with facts/stats otherwise it makes any debate pointless.
3) Remarks made are a reflection on yourself and will still be here in the light of day.
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Ethel - You've just proven me right again, instead of debating the issue your trying to label me and make me look bad.
In some eyes you'd be a hero, in my eyes you're doing a pretty good job of making yourself look bad. You don't need any help from anyone else.
I see you didn't bother commenting on my replies, which pretty much destroyed your last post, not suprising.
See my earlier stuff, you might have got an answer when you first rolled out pretty much the same you have rolled out in every post you've done on this topic. Nothing has changed - my opinions or yours - and i don't think whatever you put up will ever change my views. So, if i don't respond again, that is why. You want certain sections of this community who are distasteful to you for whatever reason to get out of this country. It has nothing to do with race riots as was the topic of this thread. Wouldn't matter if they were model citizens, that would not be good enough for you. To me, they're just fellow Aussies, and have every right to live here as you or I do.
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http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581
If this guy is right, then I think there is a greater problem at hand - the integrity of the NSW police force.
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Is there a doubt about the integrity of the NSW police force? It's long been said to be the best that money can buy.
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There isn't any doubt, its a fact that there is a serious problem with the NSW police force, they are soft on ethnic crime.
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Sure you don't mean for the crime of being ethnic?
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Interesting discussion this, used to spend a bit of time in NSW( work wise).
The society up there is very divided, can see both ponts of view here.
Lets just say, I wouldnt go and swim at Bondi on a Sunday afternoon.
Have a friend( female ;) ) who lives at Bondi, shes barred the beach area at weekends, too scared .
Sad thing is that Bondi is Australias ""signature beach "" and locals are too scared to swim there ??? :o they have got bigger problems than you all think!
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Doesn't to seem to be affecting property values.
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Dont worry it will! Especially businesses in the area if they keep getting trashed,
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Time will tell... cousin of mine has been working up in Sydney for about 4 years and reckons she's never had any trouble. Maybe she's not watching enough current affairs TV.
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Or swimming at Bondi ;D
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She reckons Cronulla's not a bad spot.
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Sorry to tell you this, Cronulla is ordinary.
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Ethen go tell all those girls that have been gang raped by dirty ethnics that there isn't an ethnic problem in NSW, go on i dare ya!
At last count i believe the number is 67 women, and thats only the ones that have reported it.
Yes 67! The media has only ever reported on 5 of the ethnic gang rapes that NSW police have on file from the last few years.
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Sorry to tell you this, Cronulla is ordinary.
Some people think it's worth fighting for.
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At last count i believe the number is 67 women, and thats only the ones that have reported it.
Where's the source for this one.
LMAO@only ethnics who rape and beat up their own women and Aussie women - and Aussie men don't.
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Ethen go tell all those girls that have been gang raped by dirty ethnics that there isn't an ethnic problem in NSW, go on i dare ya!
At last count i believe the number is 67 women, and thats only the ones that have reported it.
Yes 67! The media has only ever reported on 5 of the ethnic gang rapes that NSW police have on file from the last few years.
So you reckon there's a conspiracy with the cops the media and the rape gangs... Ok. What was with the rape cases that resulted in sentences of 11, 15, 21, 25 and 55 years? Did some group other than the problematic NSW police run those cases?
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I was going to put this in the other thread, but i believe this deserves its own thread.
Moi and Ethel, what say you about this incident?
The joys of multiculturalism...
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,17897112%255E2862,00.html
Pool staff bashed as youths riot
By Chris Tinkler
22jan06
FOUR swimming pool staff have been beaten in an attack in Melbourne's north.
Stunned witnesses said about 30 youths had punched and kicked staff, including a young woman, on the grass at Oak Park Aquatic Centre about 4pm yesterday.
One witness, Alex, said families had recoiled in horror at the bashings.
"I've never seen anything like it," Alex said.
"I thought, 'Not another Cronulla'.
"There seemed to be dozens of people involved, with most wading into the staff and people trying to help them.
"They all appeared to be Middle-Eastern youths.
"It was very upsetting and scary. There were hysterical children everywhere."
Nicholas Burt, leisure manager at Moreland Council, which runs the pool, said the riot had occurred after a male lifeguard had tried to calm two teenagers arguing on the grass embankment.
Mr Burt said a third youth had butted in and when the lifeguard had escorted him to his belongings, after asking him to leave, a struggle had broken out.
"That's when up to 30 other patrons started to physically attack staff," Mr Burt said.
Three male lifeguards and one female security guard had been set upon by the group.
Mr Burt said that amid "blows to the back of the head and around the face", the staff had been driven into the pool's reception area.
He said the attack had continued until police arrived.
The staff, including one who suffered a smashed cheek, had been taken to hospital for treatment.
Asked how a minor dispute between teens escalated into a riot, Mr Burt said: "I'm not sure what could have sparked it.
"Until we have more information I wouldn't say it was necessarily a culturally or racially motivated attack, but I would not preclude it."
He said security camera footage would be reviewed as part of investigations.
The popular pool and its giant water-slide were shut immediately after the fracas.
Council chief Peter Brown said it was hoped the pool would reopen today.
Police said a youth, 17, had suffered a dislocated shoulder.
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Hey Razor, they're not going away - looks like your life is gonna be a misery if you can't live in a world with your fellow man.
LMAO@stiff poo!
The example you gave is horrendous and hopefully they will be arrested and put where they belong.
Does not mean they're all like that and should be deported.
Let's hope Melbourne coppers don't get intimidated like our Sydney cops and stamp it out before it gets out of hand.
And let's hope our Aussie vigilantes don't do the same as they did up in Cronulla - no winners here.
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Up here we've been having trouble with a crowd calling themselves the Palmy Army (not the surfing crowd by the same name) and the Southside Boys. They gatecrashed a party 2 streets away the other weekend and created havoc, filtering to a house just up the road where they grabbed some scaffolding from one of the blocks being rebuilt and proceeded to smash some poor guy's ute to pieces. To my knowledge, none of the guys are of Middle Eastern origin, however, one of our laborers knows some of this crowd and says that a guy from over the road is involved, possibly with the smashed ute, and the person in particular is of Aboriginal/islander origin.
I think it is alcohol and not origin that causes these problems.
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Moi - That article is just another example of the Lebanese and Arab community declaring war on white Australians, its an eye for an eye now and i would hope that any retaliation to that attack gets as much media coverage as this one has, which is simply 1 news article a day after the incident, but we all know the leftie media won't allow that to happen, it'll be the first story on the 6 o'clock news.
Hopefully some aussies stand up to them, the problem is not many people will know about it because the media won't report it because the lefties will cry incitement of racial hatred! What a stuffing joke this should be on the front page of the newspaper so people realise what is happening, that the lebs and arabs want a war with whites.
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I was going to put this in the other thread, but i believe this deserves its own thread.
Moi and Ethel, what say you about this incident?
The joys of multiculturalism...
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,17897112%255E2862,00.html
I say so what, I say let the cops and courts deal with lawlessness, I say long live multiculturalism, I say ethnic vilification is a crime, I also say your slipping Razor, you didn't manage one reference to gang rape in the whole post.
I might be wrong in this but I get the impression that you reckon a violent response is appropriate. If that's so will you be fronting up on say the 26th, Australia Day (tidy bit of symbolism), Aussie flag around the neck superman style to reclaim the Oak Park Pool. You can escalate hatred and stage your own mini Cronulla.
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A violent response is not only appropriate, but it is needed!
Its an eye for an eye now, they started it and any retaliations will be 100% their own fault.
These scum have to be taught that their rubbish is not welcome here.
As for mentioning gang rapes, what more is there to say than Lebanese are rapists and the left-wing community supports the gang raping of white women.
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Why not just kill everyone and be done with it ?
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A violent response is not only appropriate, but it is needed!
Its an eye for an eye now, they started it and any retaliations will be 100% their own fault.
These scum have to be taught that their rubbish is not welcome here.
As for mentioning gang rapes, what more is there to say than Lebanese are rapists and the left-wing community supports the gang raping of white women.
"And Razor slams through another towering six pointer from outside 50"..... as a beaten Ethel Merman walks disconsolately around the boundary toward the players race....
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Its ok, i understand your ability to argue a point ends when calling me a nazi doesn't work!
I've heard a few rumblings about this Thursday aswell in regards to the Cronulla area, the Lebs shouldn't worry about whats gonna happen through the day, but more so who will be waiting for them come nightime if they decide to come down again.
Other peoples words not mine.
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Its ok, i understand your ability to argue a point ends when calling me a nazi doesn't work!
Argue a point? What point? Have you made one? You flatter yourself 'blade.
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I've been making points in this whole thread, you just keep ignoring them and calling me a white supremacist bigot!
How about telling me WHY multiculturalism is sooooo bloody great so i can destroy your reply like i did to Moi's attempt to justify it.
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I thought u were Greek Razor ?
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:o :o :o :o :o
100% Aussie here fox!
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I've been making points in this whole thread,
If you call nonsensical accusations and smears like the following, "points" you've got a rather poor grasp of how to sell a concept.
another example of the Lebanese and Arab community declaring war on white Australians....but we all know the leftie media won't allow that to happen....the lefties will cry incitement of racial hatred!...that the lebs and arabs want a war with whites.
How about telling me WHY multiculturalism is sooooo bloody great so i can destroy your reply like i did to Moi's attempt to justify it.
Simple, multiculturalism is progress, it's the inverse of monoculturalism which I define as like minded types drinking each others bath water.
you just keep ignoring them and calling me a white supremacist bigot!
Wrong, the following is what I called you.
..... a hypocritical bigoted racist.
You seem pretty keen to self apply the white supremacist tag are you some kind of KKK fetishist or what?
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Nice selective editing Ethel! ::)
Progress huh? Gang rapes, sexual harassment, gang violence, drug dealing, assaults, just to name a few of the crimes these ethnic minorities commit, and you call it progress! ::)
Ethnics getting preferential treatment in the courts and from the police, whites getting charged with race crimes against ethnics yet ethnic never get charged with race crimes against whites.
White Australians having to compromise on Australian traditions and be labelled intolerant just because these ethnics don't like, and REFUSE to accept our way of life.
White Australians getting arrested at Cronulla for simply protesting, and yet only 1 Leb has been charged for the retaliation riots, and that has only happened in the last few days.
You ignore the fact that these ethnics on % commit far more crime then white Australains, you ignore the fact that Lebanese males go around gang raping and sexually harassing white women, yet if i criticize the "poor minorities" you label me a racist! ::)
I am NOT a white supremacist.
I am NOT a neo-nazi.
I am NOT a bigot.
I am NOT a racist.
If your going to call me anything call me a nationalist.
Because of these ethnics whinging about any sort of criticizm and you delusional left wing nut jobs backing them up, the media are scared to report about ethnic crime because of the risk of being taken to court over "inciting racial hatred" by you wanna-be zealots.
The lifeguard attack in Melbourne should of been front page news and the first story off the cap on the nightly news, yet the only time i've heard about it is one small internet article on it.
I bet you, if it was whites bashing lebanese lifeguards (as if a Leb would ever volunteer to do anything besides rape women and bludge off welfare anyway) it would of been all over the media.
Multiculturalism has failed all over the world, and white Australians need to take back their country before its too late.
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:o :o :o :o :o
100% Aussie here fox!
My mistake champ. :thumbsup
What tribe u from ?
BTW,all my Greek mates are also 100% Aussie.
Home is where the heart is.
Thats the problem with the ME situation.
Their heart lies in a land and within a religion that is of another world to ours.
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I looked up nationalist in The Oxford Dictionary it defines the word thus - a person who advocates political independence for a country - a person with strong patriotic feelings, esp. one who believes in the superiority of their country over others. I don't see much of what your advocating in there. For a start it doesn't say anything about race or ethnicity.
I put it to you Razor that your mistaken, "White Australia" is a figment of your imagination and that that train has left the station. Add that to the non-stop tonguing our Prime Minister applies to the US of A's nether region and we can throw in "political independence" as another non issue.
Now before you hang your hat on the words "superiority of their country over others" think of our mountain of overseas debt and while on that, how, if we intend to trade our way out of this position are calls for ethnic cleansing going to help Australian businesses keep and attract customers.
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Oh Ethel, you crack me up.
I much prefer this definition:
na·tion·al·ism Audio pronunciation of "nationalist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nsh-n-lzm, nshn-)
n.
1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.
Number 1 is a big yes.
Number 2 is a general yes with a bit of room to budge though.
Number 3 doesn't apply to Australia in the first place.
As fars as improving our economic situation? Well for starters we wouldn't have to spend so much bloody money on the prison system, or the police force, or the plethora of multiculturalism and political correctness assosiations, or even rape crisis centres.
I don't go around saying Australia is superior to other countries, we are infact inferior because we have allowed ourselves to be taken over by multiculturalism and the left-wingers who support it unconditionally.
Ethnic cleansing? Your words Ethel not mine!
Fox - The greeks generally aren't a problem, the only ones i have a problem with are the "my poo don't stink" soccer crowd, but generally they know when to shut their mouths.
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Hey Razor
Glad to hear that the Greeks are ok.
What about the Germans - are they ok? Jeez I hope so as one of my grandparents was one. One of the others was Scotish - but I'm sure they are ok from what you've written.
I knda wish I was like you though, born here (like me) but apparently not an immigrant in the family tree.
ps - those Greeks and Italians were a lot of trouble in the 50s and 60s - you sure they're ok now?
regards
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I've got no quarrel with German immigration, infact from the ladies i've seen from that country the more the merrier, just no radical neo-nazi's thanks!
Immigrants from Europe generally aren't the problem, its the middle east, asian and african immigration that we should be worried about.
As for the rest of your post.......... ???
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Hey razor
Just checked with my dear old mum to make sure about the lineage and she confirmed he was German - from a town named Beirut - that's northern Germany I think.
cya
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Oh Ethel, you crack me up.
Razorblade old pet, I think you may have cracked long before I turned up. Hysteria and ignorance.... not really my idea of a hobby, but each to their own.
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Once again Ethel, instead of debating the topic you turn to personal attacks!
Just on that article that i posted, isn't it amazing that it has NOT been reported in any other newspapers or on television.
Why are incidents involving ethnic crime being covered up?
Do the lefties have something to hide?
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just no radical neo-nazi's thanks!
So your ok with neo-nazi's as long as they aren't the radical variety.
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Multi culturalism started when varying tribes of the same breed of creature,neanderthal, spread its seed to the outer regions
of the surrounding inner bodies.
I guess a standing prick has no conscience...and then we wake up and its 2006
NOTHINGS CHANGED.
We say we hate wogs and abbos and Jews...but we'll still screw their pretty daughters,more than once.
Wake up and your living with a Jew who has your children.
What r u gonna do?
Ill tell u.
stuff all is what u will do,
Their your kids
We didnt come from the apes as many believe
One of the most fundamental beliefs of evolutionism is that man has evolved from beasts through time, chance and natural selection. Some insist that evolutionism does not teach that man evolved from apes but rather from "ape-like" ancestors. This argument is specious as virtually any of the presumed "hominid ancestors" of man would be classified as apes were they alive today. An ape is defined as merely a tailess monkey. The research dealing with mans evolution from the apes begins with the assumption that man did in fact evolve from the apes. No observations or interpretations are allowed to question this apriori assumption. What has been sought in paleoanthropology (the study of human and "prehuman" fossil record) then are the transitional stages from ape-like animals to man. Transitional forms have proven as elusive here however, as between any other class of plants or animals. The missing links remain missing.
imo a lot of the name calling and hatred towards,say wogs for example,Isn't as serious as some would have u believe.
Its almost done in piszed humor.
I remember having to fight one of the Oakliegh wogs back in the 80s.
Big Greek Cidiot.
We went toe to toe for about 5 minutes,both had a bit of blood flowing.
Then we just stopped and put our arms around one another.
Point is,It took the heat of a battle to realise there need be no battle
We also ended up with each others respect,more importabt than friendship.
Gotta realise,these Musi kids running ROUND BASHING PEOPLE ARE JUST poo SCARED for their own existence within Australian society.
This has already died down anyway
Try to remember that the real terrorist is GeorgeWBush.
Him and his administration of mercinary bastards make far reaching decisions regarding our country
and with the little rodent Jonboy Howard having his taut tongue firmly and deeply planted in Bushs butt.
Its no wonder
We're aall currently part of what i call Operation Trueman.(The Trueman Story)
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Once again Ethel, instead of debating the topic you turn to personal attacks!
Sorry Razor, I shouldn't be so harsh, it's your just ideas I find repugnant, nothing personal.
Just on that article that i posted, isn't it amazing that it has NOT been reported in any other newspapers or on television.
I don't know, it's not like there's anything else going on, can you smell smoke?
Why are incidents involving ethnic crime being covered up?
What like crop circles and the sordid details of John Howard's lurid love life?
Do the lefties have something to hide?
Which lefties are these, the two or three that own all this countries media and endorsed the return of the Liberal Government and now ignore it's record of failure in any area of responsibility you care to mention? Those lefties?
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Opposition leader and former sydney detective both agree, NSW Labor government is soft on ethnic crime!
What say you delusional lefties!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17930393%255E2702,00.html
Branch-stacking leaves Iemma 'beholden' to ethnic groups
Ean Higgins
January 25, 2006
THE NSW Government's "softly, softly" approach on Middle Eastern crime was a direct result of Premier Morris Iemma's reluctance to offend Lebanese powerbrokers in his own electorate, the state Opposition claimed yesterday.
In an interview with The Australian, Opposition Leader Peter Debnam for the first time personalised his attack on the Premier, claiming ALP branch-stacking in his seat of Lakemba had left him beholden to Middle Easterners.
Mr Debnam's allegations were backed up by the high-profile former Sydney detective Tim Priest, who said police had for years avoided taking on Middle Eastern gangs because it would be "political suicide" for their ALP parliamentary masters.
Mr Priest told The Australian that "over the years these Middle Eastern criminals have been allowed to run amok" because of directives from on high that police should avoid antagonising ethnic communities.
The new allegations come as Mr Iemma and his Police Minister, Carl Scully, struggle to contain political uproar over the chaotic police effort to track down Middle Eastern "revenge attackers" who went on a rampage of violence following last month's race riots.
Mr Debnam yesterday provided details of his broad allegation of a political conspiracy, which he claims has prevented police from cracking down on Middle Eastern crime. He noted that Mr Iemma's southwestern Sydney seat had a large population of Middle Eastern descent.
According to Australian Bureau of Statistics data, 14.4 per cent of the Lakemba electorate identified themselves as being of Middle Eastern or North African ancestry, and of that grouping, 10.8 per cent said they were Lebanese.
Only 14.2 per cent of the electorate said they were of Australian ancestry, and 18.1 per cent said they were of English, Scottish or Irish ancestry.
Mr Debnam said people of Middle Eastern background had a disproportionate influence in the Labor Party because of branch-stacking in the 1990s in which ALP factions brought scores of them into the party to get their preferred candidates pre-selected.
"They are not just votes, they are members," Mr Debnam said.
Mr Scully, who holds the western Sydney seat of Smithfield, also has a large Middle Eastern and North African component in his electorate.
Mr Debnam said their policy was not to upset the Middle Eastern community, and it had been carried out by Police Commissioner Ken Moroney.
"The Commissioner implements government policy," Mr Debnam said. The allegations have been angrily denied by Mr Iemma, Mr Scully, and Mr Moroney. The three say police have made their own operational decisions, without political influence.
"I do not comment on or interfere with the way police officers conduct their investigations," Mr Scully told The Australian yesterday.
But Mr Priest, who worked as a policeman in Sydney's west and the city for 21 years, said the non-confrontational policing strategy towards ethnic gangs was well established, going back to former commissioner Peter Ryan.
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RB I think your being a bit harsh. Your highlighting the misdeamours of other cultures, but you are failing to highlight the positives they have brought to Australia.
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Which are what?
The Lebanese bring NOTHING but trouble.
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Which are what?
The Lebanese bring NOTHING but trouble.
I'm sure those who don't like Bracksy would agree ;D.
Yet seriously according to those crime stats in Victoria, 95% of Lebanese born abide by the laws of this country and that is almost on par with home grown Aussies (97%).
No race is all evil just as no race is all perfect. You can't label everyone with the same brush based on the actions of a sick mindless minority. Each individual is responsible for his/her own behaviour. I mean should all anglo-saxon aussies be sent back to the motherland because of the Cronulla day riots or because Julian Knight and Martin Bryant, to name a few, were mass-murderers? Of course not, that's irrational thinking.
A thug (or group of thugs) is a thug (group of thugs) so of course they don't conform or respect anyone or the law irrespective of race, creed, colour or religion. The problem in Sydney was neither did the authorities respect the law so these thugs had a free reign. I noticed there was no post about the 5? arrests of the thugs who rampaged at night through Cronulla following the day riots and the two more wanted for arrest for bashing a bloke. Maybe the NSW police are finally doing their job despite the in hindsight political point-scoring by the state opposition leader.
Just to go back a few posts:
Work skills? Most of them go on welfare and blug off the system, the ones that do work do jobs that just about any australian could do, so in effect they are stealing jobs aswell.
Migrants can't win :).
How do you "steal" a job? If an migrant gets a job then the employer must believe they are better suited and more qualified for the position. To complain about that is petty jealously and displaying one's own insecurities. If they get a job they then pay taxes and spend their earnings in Oz which adds to our economy. Some migrants also become self-employed and run small-businesses which then employs more people. I didn't realise only Anglo-Saxons Aussies owned and ran businesses in Oz. This all keeps the economy growing. If it doesn't it contracts and dies. Typical Hansonite economics to think that immigration is bad for the Australian economy. I guess we can always print money in our little A/S utopia :help.
It's amusing seeing Howard praise our diversity in his Australia Day speech yet 20 years ago he wanted Asian immigration gone.
Yeah i can see how all the gang violence and unemployment is really making us more diverse! ::)
Yeah we have never had gang violence before. Sheesh you never dare caught the Broady train after dark in the 70s/80s due to Lords (at and around Newmarket station) and the Broady boys. It's all about enforcing the law. If you give an inch these cowards take a mile.
btw unemployment is at around 27 year low records ;).
The professionals who come here, work their asses off and try their best to blend into the community (see most asians, not vietnamese) are welcome.
So the Vietnamese-born guy I know who escaped from communist Vietnam with his family as a child with sweet FA as a refugee and worked his way up to become a professor in science is not welcome ::). That's the danger of generalising.
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When talking about tens of million of people 2% if a pretty big difference, and that is only for crimes that they are convicted of, you have no idea how much ethnic crime goes unpunished.
You do realise that arrests of Lebs over the retaliation attacks has ONLY happened because that footage was released and pretty much every white australian was up in arms about it!
If that footage had never been released, the police wouldn't of arrested the Leb criminals because there wouldn't be any public pressure.
Ever heard of equal opportunity?
It means that i have two people vying for one job, lets say a white guy and an asian guy.
The white guy can be far more qualified and have better references, but if you haven't hired an asian guy before you either have to hire him or you are taken to court for being a racist.
In America it is about a million times worse with blacks and to a lesser degree mexicans.
If you have people who want to work, have job vacancies yet bring in more immigrants you are only keeping the unemployment rate the same, if not increasing it when if you simply didn't bring in so many immigrants unemployment would be lower and so would poverty rates.
I won't even mention how the unemplyoment rate is higher in ethnic groups.
So your saying that since a bunch of white guys went around acting tough 30 YEARS AGO that we should let the ethnics do the same?
Unemployment levels are so low because all Labor did was open the gate and let every tom, idiot and harry in and stuffed the economy up, atleast Howard isn't as bad as Labor was with bringing in immigration, his not the answer to the multicultural problem BUT unfortunately his the best option we've got, the lesser of two evils.
For every vietnamese who works hard there are plenty who don't, were talking %'s here and as far as % goes viets are only 2nd to the Lebs in crime and unemployment.
The major problem is there aren't many stats on these issues because to create statistics on these issues would be "racist". ::)
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When talking about tens of million of people 2% if a pretty big difference, and that is only for crimes that they are convicted of, you have no idea how much ethnic crime goes unpunished.
The population of ethnics in Oz is far lower than native-born so in terms of raw numbers 3% of a large population is far greater than 5% of a small population.
You do realise that arrests of Lebs over the retaliation attacks has ONLY happened because that footage was released and pretty much every white australian was up in arms about it!
If that footage had never been released, the police wouldn't of arrested the Leb criminals because there wouldn't be any public pressure.
All that matters is they were rightly charged. It's not the first crime that public pressure has rightly forced the authorities' hand.
Ever heard of equal opportunity?
If you have people who want to work, have job vacancies yet bring in more immigrants you are only keeping the unemployment rate the same, if not increasing it when if you simply didn't bring in so many immigrants unemployment would be lower and so would poverty rates.
Ever heard of skill shortages.
If we need people with certain skills and we don't produce them here ourselves then having zero immigration isn't going to solve skill shortage nor reduce unemployment.
I won't even mention how the unemplyoment rate is higher in ethnic groups.
In the short term yes but for skilled migrants the unemployment rate falls below the Australian average within 18-42 months. In fact English language skills appear more a factor in unemployment than ethnicity. Humanitarian migrants do have a high employment rate although it falls with time but are we such a uncompassionate country now that we don't give a stuff about those in the outside world.
http://www.immi.gov.au/facts/14labour.htm
So your saying that since a bunch of white guys went around acting tough 30 YEARS AGO that we should let the ethnics do the same?
Just saying that gangs have always existed. The "ethnics" didn't bring them into Oz. It's up to the law enforcers to deal with them. Plus the certain thugs on Cronulla beach who attacked anyone who they thought even looked middle-eastern/mitterranean weren't 30 years ago. They were just as bad as the thugs they were "protesting" about.
Unemployment levels are so low because all Labor did was open the gate and let every tom, idiot and harry in and stuffed the economy up, atleast Howard isn't as bad as Labor was with bringing in immigration, his not the answer to the multicultural problem BUT unfortunately his the best option we've got, the lesser of two evils.
When Howard was treasurer in the Fraser government the unemployment rate rose to 10%. Even under the spend-happy days of Whitlam it only reached 5-6%. This 10% unemployment is what the Hawke-Keating government inherited in 1983. The rate then fell to under 6% by 1989 then rose to 11% by 1992 when the world recession hit then fell to 8.5% by the time Howard became PM. With 14 years of consecutive growth in the Oz economy the unemployment rate has now fallen to 5%.
The opening up of the Oz economy and reform has more to do with employment levels than immigration. The trend in the US was similar over that period (although slightly lower). Look at how high the unemployment levels are in "Fortress Europe" and I would argue they are far less multicultural than us. Step outside the OCED and the picture is more bleak and these countries are more likely monocultural.
For every vietnamese who works hard there are plenty who don't, were talking %'s here and as far as % goes viets are only 2nd to the Lebs in crime and unemployment.
The two highest ethnic-born groups in terms of crime according to those stats were Romanian and Russian.