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Title: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: 🏅Dooks on January 15, 2017, 01:06:45 PM
Just a heads up that i was speaking to someone from within the club and Jake is having a cracking preseason now that he is injury free and has apparently taken to the new game plan alot easier than others.

Looking forward to a great year  :gotigers
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Yeahright on January 15, 2017, 01:15:35 PM
Just give him the favourite player award already
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: big tone on January 15, 2017, 01:37:18 PM
Nothing player.
Should have been delisted. We just didn't have the balls or the brains.
List clogger.

The only way the new game plan would help him is if it was a kick to kick game plan against 12 year olds that are neither small, tall or quick.

He isn't getting quicker, he isn't getting taller and he isn't getting more agile, so he is just another below average player that we hang onto after surely realising he is more than just a little bit limited that wouldn't get a game at any other club.

Add him to the list of other players still on our list with no chance of making our side any better.


Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: tdy on January 15, 2017, 01:40:45 PM
Hope he works on his kicking. Nice to know there is a new game plan. Let's hope they are nimble enough to adjust it during the season too.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: 🏅Dooks on January 15, 2017, 01:53:03 PM
Nothing player.
Should have been delisted. We just didn't have the balls or the brains.
List clogger.

The only way the new game plan would help him is if it was a kick to kick game plan against 12 year olds that are neither small, tall or quick.

He isn't getting quicker, he isn't getting taller and he isn't getting more agile, so he is just another below average player that we hang onto after surely realising he is more than just a little bit limited that wouldn't get a game at any other club.

Add him to the list of other players still on our list with no chance of making our side any better.

Thats pretty harsh. Was integral to our back 6 when we were making finals. Im all for your free speech but as a Richmond supporter you should at least try to support him.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: (•))(©™ on January 15, 2017, 02:00:32 PM
Probably would have been a decent player at any other club
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on January 15, 2017, 03:49:47 PM
Nothing player.
Should have been delisted. We just didn't have the balls or the brains.
List clogger.

The only way the new game plan would help him is if it was a kick to kick game plan against 12 year olds that are neither small, tall or quick.

He isn't getting quicker, he isn't getting taller and he isn't getting more agile, so he is just another below average player that we hang onto after surely realising he is more than just a little bit limited that wouldn't get a game at any other club.

Add him to the list of other players still on our list with no chance of making our side any better.
What's wrong with you? Seems like most of us have misjudged Jake. He is killing it in the favourite player game.....

He only has a few weaknesses.
Pace
Agility
No right foot
Too small for talls
Too tall for smalls

Apart from those issues, he is a gun of the highest order!
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: 🏅Dooks on January 15, 2017, 04:06:00 PM
Nothing player.
Should have been delisted. We just didn't have the balls or the brains.
List clogger.

The only way the new game plan would help him is if it was a kick to kick game plan against 12 year olds that are neither small, tall or quick.

He isn't getting quicker, he isn't getting taller and he isn't getting more agile, so he is just another below average player that we hang onto after surely realising he is more than just a little bit limited that wouldn't get a game at any other club.

Add him to the list of other players still on our list with no chance of making our side any better.
What's wrong with you? Seems like most of us have misjudged Jake. He is killing it in the favourite player game.....

He only has a few weaknesses.
Pace
Agility
No right foot
Too small for talls
Too tall for smalls

Apart from those issues, he is a gun of the highest order!

Not all heroes have capes Doc.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on January 15, 2017, 04:08:40 PM
Should play him as an inside mid. Has size and stamina.

Why not? Worth a shot.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: 🏅Dooks on January 15, 2017, 04:11:27 PM
Should play him as an inside mid. Has size and stamina.

Why not? Worth a shot.

Interesting......
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: The Machine on January 15, 2017, 04:38:47 PM
Nothing player.
Should have been delisted. We just didn't have the balls or the brains.
List clogger.

The only way the new game plan would help him is if it was a kick to kick game plan against 12 year olds that are neither small, tall or quick.

He isn't getting quicker, he isn't getting taller and he isn't getting more agile, so he is just another below average player that we hang onto after surely realising he is more than just a little bit limited that wouldn't get a game at any other club.

Add him to the list of other players still on our list with no chance of making our side any better.
What's wrong with you? Seems like most of us have misjudged Jake. He is killing it in the favourite player game.....

He only has a few weaknesses.
Pace
Agility
No right foot
Too small for talls
Too tall for smalls

Apart from those issues, he is a gun of the highest order!


So in saying that he can play on medium HFF players...well I think he can and I think he should. He is no champ but he can play a role if allowed to play on similar sized players:whistle
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on January 15, 2017, 05:36:53 PM
Key is that he plays a role and is prepared to sacrifice his game to implement the game plan.
It's not his fault the game plan was poo.
 I have a mate who had the family as neighbours and he is of impeccable integrity.
He is definitely one to watch this year.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: 🏅Dooks on January 15, 2017, 05:54:20 PM
Ive got a mate whos younger brother went to school with Batch.

One of the most selfless guys apparently. Would do anything for anyone.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: WA Tiger on January 15, 2017, 06:33:23 PM
Nothing player.
Should have been delisted. We just didn't have the balls or the brains.
List clogger.

The only way the new game plan would help him is if it was a kick to kick game plan against 12 year olds that are neither small, tall or quick.

He isn't getting quicker, he isn't getting taller and he isn't getting more agile, so he is just another below average player that we hang onto after surely realising he is more than just a little bit limited that wouldn't get a game at any other club.

Add him to the list of other players still on our list with no chance of making our side any better.

Great post and spot on the money. :clapping
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Knighter on January 15, 2017, 07:32:18 PM
Would struggle to get a game at Coburg. Another wasted draft pick that Dudwick can't bring himself to dump.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Chuck17 on January 15, 2017, 08:26:17 PM
Is ready to revolutionize backman play

You heard it hear first
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on January 15, 2017, 08:45:29 PM
Is ready to revolutionize backman play

You heard it hear first
You heard it or just hear it? Are they just voices?
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: 🏅Dooks on January 15, 2017, 08:54:38 PM
Is ready to revolutionize backman play

You heard it hear first

Chucky dont forget your other big scoop which you promised for your 10,000th post
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: The Machine on January 15, 2017, 09:09:32 PM
Would struggle to get a game at Coburg. Another wasted draft pick that Dudwick can't bring himself to dump.


Struggle to get a game at Coburg, really? Wouldn't really call him a wasted pick - he is serviceable and plays a role.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Chuck17 on January 15, 2017, 09:16:43 PM
Is ready to revolutionize backman play

You heard it hear first

Chucky dont forget your other big scoop which you promised for your 10,000th post

 ;)
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Knighter on January 15, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
Would struggle to get a game at Coburg. Another wasted draft pick that Dudwick can't bring himself to dump.


Struggle to get a game at Coburg, really? Wouldn't really call him a wasted pick - he is serviceable and plays a role.

Yeh real serviceable with his 10 touches, missed tackles, fumbles, pee weak attempts to spoil and five goals against. great minds think alike and then their is Dudwick and those that think Spatchelor is an AFL player.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: The Machine on January 15, 2017, 10:39:21 PM
Would struggle to get a game at Coburg. Another wasted draft pick that Dudwick can't bring himself to dump.


Struggle to get a game at Coburg, really? Wouldn't really call him a wasted pick - he is serviceable and plays a role.

Yeh real serviceable with his 10 touches, missed tackles, fumbles, pee weak attempts to spoil and five goals against. great minds think alike and then their is Dudwick and those that think Spatchelor is an AFL player.


So what you're really saying is you rate him but can't admit it :shh
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Andyy on January 15, 2017, 11:50:14 PM
I think Batch cops the most criticism when he is used inappropriately. Like playing on Waite for example.

He's a guy who can play a role well, but is very limited otherwise. Poor coaching has hurt him.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: big tone on January 16, 2017, 10:08:43 AM
Nothing player.
Should have been delisted. We just didn't have the balls or the brains.
List clogger.

The only way the new game plan would help him is if it was a kick to kick game plan against 12 year olds that are neither small, tall or quick.

He isn't getting quicker, he isn't getting taller and he isn't getting more agile, so he is just another below average player that we hang onto after surely realising he is more than just a little bit limited that wouldn't get a game at any other club.

Add him to the list of other players still on our list with no chance of making our side any better.

Thats pretty harsh. Was integral to our back 6 when we were making finals. Im all for your free speech but as a Richmond supporter you should at least try to support him.
Dookes, I have supported him but there comes a time when you need to put a line through his name. The reality is, even if he is the best bloke in the world he isn't making us any better. It looks like he gives his all bit imo it's not even close to being good enough if we are to be a decent side.
Just my take. 👍
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: 🏅Dooks on January 16, 2017, 11:42:43 AM
Nothing player.
Should have been delisted. We just didn't have the balls or the brains.
List clogger.

The only way the new game plan would help him is if it was a kick to kick game plan against 12 year olds that are neither small, tall or quick.

He isn't getting quicker, he isn't getting taller and he isn't getting more agile, so he is just another below average player that we hang onto after surely realising he is more than just a little bit limited that wouldn't get a game at any other club.

Add him to the list of other players still on our list with no chance of making our side any better.

Thats pretty harsh. Was integral to our back 6 when we were making finals. Im all for your free speech but as a Richmond supporter you should at least try to support him.
Dookes, I have supported him but there comes a time when you need to put a line through his name. The reality is, even if he is the best bloke in the world he isn't making us any better. It looks like he gives his all bit imo it's not even close to being good enough if we are to be a decent side.
Just my take. 👍

Fair enough we'll just have to agree to disagree.

The counter view of many is he has been made a scapegoat. Carried alot of injuries last 2 years when he's no worse than many of Hardwicks favourites and others, even when said players are themselves fit.

Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Yeahright on January 16, 2017, 05:12:22 PM
What's wrong with you? Seems like most of us have misjudged Jake. He is killing it in the favourite player game.....


Exactly, favourite player game. Would he do as well in a "best player" game, probably (surely) not. But a lot of us go to games and see the little things he does and does well. Shepherding, smart blocking for our players to mark the ball, directing players and providing aerial assists just to name a few. It's not a coincidence our back line looked like shambles this year with no cohesion.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on January 16, 2017, 05:29:03 PM
What's wrong with you? Seems like most of us have misjudged Jake. He is killing it in the favourite player game.....


Exactly, favourite player game. Would he do as well in a "best player" game, probably (surely) not. But a lot of us go to games and see the little things he does and does well. Shepherding, smart blocking for our players to mark the ball, directing players and providing aerial assists just to name a few. It's not a coincidence our back line looked like shambles this year with no cohesion.
I go to just about all our games, so I can see what he does and doesn't do. He tries hard and runs hard to create options which I admire, but he rarely gets sent the ball. However he has many deficiencies and the opposition know how to exploit them. They all know he hasn't got a right foot for instance and they use that to their advantage which stifles our sortie forward or out of defence. Yes he does quite a few things that I would have thought the coaching staff would have noticed but they were obviously not impressed.  I know what didn't impress them in 2016 and that was his ability to lay a tackle. In 8 games he had a total of 7 tackles!!! Considering the ball was in his half of the ground a lot, that is a disgrace for a defender. Just not good enough. He may be a great bloke but how he can suddenly be peoples favourite player with stats like that beggars belief. Of course that is just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Chuck17 on January 16, 2017, 05:40:43 PM
I have a close friend who is good mates with one of the new assistants (unfortunately I can't say who) and he has given me a tip on the team structure this year.

The word is that Jake is bulking up to play as a permanent CHB.  The reason why is with Ty leaving, Griffith who they were debating over to play down back will be played as a permanent CHF.

I wasn't going to say anything but PM'd a few people here but Dooks said I had a duty to let the faithful hear what's happening.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Chuck17 on January 16, 2017, 05:44:09 PM
What's wrong with you? Seems like most of us have misjudged Jake. He is killing it in the favourite player game.....


Exactly, favourite player game. Would he do as well in a "best player" game, probably (surely) not. But a lot of us go to games and see the little things he does and does well. Shepherding, smart blocking for our players to mark the ball, directing players and providing aerial assists just to name a few. It's not a coincidence our back line looked like shambles this year with no cohesion.
I go to just about all our games, so I can see what he does and doesn't do. He tries hard and runs hard to create options which I admire, but he rarely gets sent the ball. However he has many deficiencies and the opposition know how to exploit them. They all know he hasn't got a right foot for instance and they use that to their advantage which stifles our sortie forward or out of defence. Yes he does quite a few things that I would have thought the coaching staff would have noticed but they were obviously not impressed.  I know what didn't impress them in 2016 and that was his ability to lay a tackle. In 8 games he had a total of 7 tackles!!! Considering the ball was in his half of the ground a lot, that is a disgrace for a defender. Just not good enough. He may be a great bloke but how he can suddenly be peoples favourite player with stats like that beggars belief. Of course that is just my humble opinion.

With that tackle count he is probably in front of 3/4 of our side.

A good base to build on I would say
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: (•))(©™ on January 16, 2017, 05:45:58 PM
How is it that they think bulking up a broken down player immediately makes them a given KPP?

Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Chuck17 on January 16, 2017, 05:50:03 PM
How is it that they think bulking up a broken down player immediately makes them a given KPP?

Good point I think it is the act of a desperate club that hasn't recruited properly for this position in the past and now has to fit a square peg in a round hole
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: 🏅Dooks on January 16, 2017, 05:57:19 PM
I have a close friend who is good mates with one of the new assistants (unfortunately I can't say who) and he has given me a tip on the team structure this year.

The word is that Jake is bulking up to play as a permanent CHB.  The reason why is with Ty leaving, Griffith who they were debating over to play down back will be played as a permanent CHF.

I wasn't going to say anything but PM'd a few people here but Dooks said I had a duty to let the faithful hear what's happening.

 :clapping

Id just add to that, you forgot to say (as per your PM) that they consider one of his recognised strengths is the reading of the play and chopping off opposition F50 entries. Hence they are looking to play to his strengths.

More broadly speaking, my understanding is that part of the new game plan and structuring up is to play more to players strengths. An unchaining of players to an extent.

Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: big tone on January 16, 2017, 08:38:11 PM
I have a close friend who is good mates with one of the new assistants (unfortunately I can't say who) and he has given me a tip on the team structure this year.

The word is that Jake is bulking up to play as a permanent CHB.  The reason why is with Ty leaving, Griffith who they were debating over to play down back will be played as a permanent CHF.

I wasn't going to say anything but PM'd a few people here but Dooks said I had a duty to let the faithful hear what's happening.

 :clapping

Id just add to that, you forgot to say (as per your PM) that they consider one of his recognised strengths is the reading of the play and chopping off opposition F50 entries. Hence they are looking to play to his strengths.

More broadly speaking, my understanding is that part of the new game plan and structuring up is to play more to players strengths. An unchaining of players to an extent.
"Batch is good at reading the play, let's bulk him up so he can give others a chop out."
The problem with that is his weeknesses outweigh his strengths by a fair way.
While he is giving others a chop out, his man has torn him a new arse.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: WA Tiger on January 16, 2017, 10:33:16 PM
I think Batch cops the most criticism when he is used inappropriately. Like playing on Waite for example.

He's a guy who can play a role well, but is very limited otherwise. Poor coaching has hurt him.

The Waite game....really, the experts all say he "plays tall", should not have a been a problem for a "great bloke" at is peak!!!
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Diocletian on January 16, 2017, 11:00:29 PM
You play stupid.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: Yeahright on January 16, 2017, 11:47:39 PM
I think Batch cops the most criticism when he is used inappropriately. Like playing on Waite for example.

He's a guy who can play a role well, but is very limited otherwise. Poor coaching has hurt him.

The Waite game....really, the experts all say he "plays tall", should not have a been a problem for a "great bloke" at is peak!!!

Almost as good as Morris' game on Betts, you know, the one where Morris also played in the VFL at the exact same time? LOL at focusing on one game. Rance got beaten by Hogan FFS, must be a dud and need delisting
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: strongandbold on January 17, 2017, 02:15:29 AM
I have a close friend who is good mates with one of the new assistants (unfortunately I can't say who) and he has given me a tip on the team structure this year.

The word is that Jake is bulking up to play as a permanent CHB.  The reason why is with Ty leaving, Griffith who they were debating over to play down back will be played as a permanent CHF.

I wasn't going to say anything but PM'd a few people here but Dooks said I had a duty to let the faithful hear what's happening.

my man sir, I know you dont know me and I don't know you. If you hear anything furthur would you care to shoot a PM?

My impatient little body can't wait for the season.
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: WA Tiger on January 17, 2017, 03:42:48 AM
You play stupid.

Better to play it than be it!!
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: WA Tiger on January 17, 2017, 03:44:37 AM
I think Batch cops the most criticism when he is used inappropriately. Like playing on Waite for example.

He's a guy who can play a role well, but is very limited otherwise. Poor coaching has hurt him.

The Waite game....really, the experts all say he "plays tall", should not have a been a problem for a "great bloke" at is peak!!!

Almost as good as Morris' game on Betts, you know, the one where Morris also played in the VFL at the exact same time? LOL at focusing on one game. Rance got beaten by Hogan FFS, must be a dud and need delisting

Comparing Batchelor to Rance.... :help...One game, really, he is crap every game your man Batch!! The player who plays tall, "great bloke". :lol
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: 🏅Dooks on January 17, 2017, 05:00:04 AM
I think Batch cops the most criticism when he is used inappropriately. Like playing on Waite for example.

He's a guy who can play a role well, but is very limited otherwise. Poor coaching has hurt him.

The Waite game....really, the experts all say he "plays tall", should not have a been a problem for a "great bloke" at is peak!!!

Almost as good as Morris' game on Betts, you know, the one where Morris also played in the VFL at the exact same time? LOL at focusing on one game. Rance got beaten by Hogan FFS, must be a dud and need delisting

Comparing Batchelor to Rance.... :help...One game, really, he is crap every game your man Batch!! The player who plays tall, "great bloke". :lol

Ironically, Hampson comes to mind for some reason.......
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: FlashGordon on January 17, 2017, 09:48:58 AM
Pushing poo up hill if we are "re-inventing" Batch...at the end of the day, his weakmesses is he is one dimensional and we are now opting for that one dimension.
Unless some miracle worker does party tricks and builds his frame and his endurance, he is just another about to be ex tiger.
Lacks concentration, intensity, explosivenesss etc....chopping out poo is old news
Title: Re: Jake Batchelor preseason update
Post by: 🏅Dooks on January 21, 2017, 01:47:32 PM
Bump

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