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Tough calls: Your club’s selection headaches
Staff writers,
FOX SPORTS
Feb 4, 2017
WE’RE still seven weeks away from the first round of the home and away season, but all AFL coaches are beginning to put together their ideal Round 1 line-ups.
And that means several selection headaches await.
It’s also why the upcoming JLT Community Series is crucial for players on the cusp of their senior line-up, as it gives them the chance to prove why they deserve to be in their club’s best 22 come Round 1.
We profile the selection conundrums facing each club’s match committee ahead of the 2017 season.
RICHMOND
Alex Rance has a mortgage on the stuff role, but the Tigers have a host of supporting actors fighting to accompany him. David Astbury and Dylan Grimes look the most certain to play Round 1, although Jake Batchelor deserves consideration, as does mature-age WAFL recruit Nathan Broad, who played two senior games in 2016.
Assuming Shaun Hampson is Damien Hardwick’s first choice big man, then recruit Toby Nankervis and Ben Griffiths will be fighting it out to deputise him — although the latter could lay claim to a permanent role in the front-half based on last year’s performances.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-preview-2017-your-clubs-selection-headaches-ahead-of-this-season/news-story/b23a40228458e4a674e6cfb9bf7c11e6
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Tough calls: Your club’s selection headaches
Staff writers,
FOX SPORTS
Feb 4, 2017
WE’RE still seven weeks away from the first round of the home and away season, but all AFL coaches are beginning to put together their ideal Round 1 line-ups.
And that means several selection headaches await.
It’s also why the upcoming JLT Community Series is crucial for players on the cusp of their senior line-up, as it gives them the chance to prove why they deserve to be in their club’s best 22 come Round 1.
We profile the selection conundrums facing each club’s match committee ahead of the 2017 season.
RICHMOND
Alex Rance has a mortgage on the stuff role, but the Tigers have a host of supporting actors fighting to accompany him. David Astbury and Dylan Grimes look the most certain to play Round 1, although Jake Batchelor deserves consideration, as does mature-age WAFL recruit Nathan Broad, who played two senior games in 2016.
Assuming the coach is still an idiot and Shaun Hampson is Damien Hardwick’s first choice big man, then recruit Toby Nankervis and Ben Griffiths will be fighting it out to deputise him — although the latter could lay claim to a permanent role in the front-half based on last year’s performances.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-preview-2017-your-clubs-selection-headaches-ahead-of-this-season/news-story/b23a40228458e4a674e6cfb9bf7c11e6
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Year 7 of Hardwick isn't it and the back line isn't settled. That is a total sin of omission from Hardwick. The back line is where he should have begun like Bomber Thompson did at Geelong. I said it from day 1 put talent into the back line.
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Goes without saying every club has three genuine tall defenders f/b, chb, third tall who usaully takes a Lynch or Stringer type.
It has been shown time and time again that Batchelor can not cope with talls he just is not tall enough. He also has never ever provided enough run. We have just two blokes who fit the bill Grimes and McIntosh.Grimes has shown he can do well in the air so play him tal, and then play McIntosh across h/b to provide badly needed run and cover in the air.
We complain about the lack of rebound yet there is a gift horse staring them in the face. It also provides flexability and accountability if developed. Grimes has best performed on smalls imo if one is getting hold of us you can then switch Mcintosh to third tall.
I have always argued McIntosh is a defender first and foremost who will provide substantial run. but we have failed to develop him in the role.
Rance is a lock, so is Astbury simply because there is no other player of kpd size anywhere near the level.In fact we dont have another genuine option so are stuck with him like him or not.
Imo the rest of the back half should be made up of Castagna or short and Markov or depending on opposition make up, all three.
FB: Grimes - Astbury - Castagna/Short
HB: Markov - Rance - McIntosh
There is no soft pricks like Houli ,B Ellis.
It has lots of height Rance, Astbury, Grimes, McIntosh.
Lots of run Markov,McIntosh, Rance, Castagna.
lots of pace Markov, Castagna, Mcintosh in fact only Astbury is slow and he will have a job on the slower bigger kpf/rucks.
They are all accountable and can defend an opponent
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Claw, I know! I can't believe we let McIntosh roll around for most of the year in a Moonboot when he could've been starring in our back half! Shame on us! Whacks all round! ::)
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No brainer for Hardwick he will just pick his favourites.
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Claw, I know! I can't believe we let McIntosh roll around for most of the year in a Moonboot when he could've been starring in our back half! Shame on us! Whacks all round! ::)
but the year still counts towards his development and he should have improved his game in that time
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Tough calls: Your club’s selection headaches
Staff writers,
FOX SPORTS
Feb 4, 2017
WE’RE still seven weeks away from the first round of the home and away season, but all AFL coaches are beginning to put together their ideal Round 1 line-ups.
And that means several selection headaches await.
It’s also why the upcoming JLT Community Series is crucial for players on the cusp of their senior line-up, as it gives them the chance to prove why they deserve to be in their club’s best 22 come Round 1.
We profile the selection conundrums facing each club’s match committee ahead of the 2017 season.
RICHMOND
Alex Rance has a mortgage on the stuff role, but the Tigers have a host of supporting actors fighting to accompany him. David Astbury and Dylan Grimes look the most certain to play Round 1, although Jake Batchelor deserves consideration, as does mature-age WAFL recruit Nathan Broad, who played two senior games in 2016.
Assuming the coach is still an idiot and Shaun Hampson is Damien Hardwick’s first choice big man, then recruit Toby Nankervis and Ben Griffiths will be fighting it out to deputise him — although the latter could lay claim to a permanent role in the front-half based on last year’s performances.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-preview-2017-your-clubs-selection-headaches-ahead-of-this-season/news-story/b23a40228458e4a674e6cfb9bf7c11e6
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What does e.f.a mean?
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Snip! :banghead If you can't debate differing opinions without resorting to abuse then look forward to an enforced break from the forum >:(.
What does e.f.a mean?
RR, it means "edited for accuracy".
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Snip! :banghead If you can't debate differing opinions without resorting to abuse then look forward to an enforced break from the forum >:(.
What does e.f.a mean?
RR, it means "edited for accuracy".
I take breaks anyway so it is no skin off my back either way.
You have a few very disingenuous sly spineless pricks who post here and they get away with murder, personally as far as im concerned there is only way to treat em.
If that gets me a holiday so be it.
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Snip! :banghead If you can't debate differing opinions without resorting to abuse then look forward to an enforced break from the forum >:(.
What does e.f.a mean?
RR, it means "edited for accuracy".
I take breaks anyway so it is no skin off my back either way.
You have a few very disingenuous sly spineless pricks who post here and they get away with murder, personally as far as im concerned there is only way to treat em.
If that gets me a holiday so be it.
Werent you having a crack at another poster for drifting in and out of the forum Clawski?
Ive got no issue with you saying what you want to say (or anyone else for that matter) but that doesnt mean people have to agree with what you say.
It takes all types to make the world turn after all.
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Thanks for this mont & OER
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but the year still counts towards his development and he should have improved his game in that time
Lmfao at the utter stupidity. Always chasing posters around trying to point score. As i asked your mate when are you going to grow up and start acting your age.
How pathetic is it still trying to win a point from a discussion from how long ago. You really have security problems dont ya.
Cant say im surprised, in fact im used to it You trolling me everywhere i go. The mods wonder why it gets abusive every now and then.
Look if you dont think a player can improve injured or not once he goes into an afl system then great you show your ignorance but ffs bud we had this debate how long ago.r need to win a point is so great i feel sorry for ya,
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how does a young player improve his football if he is not even training, let alone playing?
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I believe you can still pick up some knowledge that will be useful even when you are injured. Though you can't really expect a player to come on in leaps and bounds if they've been injured for long period of time.
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Headaches in only defence and ruck?
What about forward and in the midfield too.
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Claw, I know! I can't believe we let McIntosh roll around for most of the year in a Moonboot when he could've been starring in our back half! Shame on us! Whacks all round! ::)
This first up. Which i was going to ignore but it becomes relevant.
Was not talking about last yr i was talking about when we first drafted him and his first three yrs. There were some pretty strong debates back then about him being a tall defender.We chose to ignore his pedigree and play him on a wing instead.
Hence the comments about us not developing him across hb.It had nothing to do with last yr and i have a strong feeling both you and idiot head knew this.
how does a young player improve his football if he is not even training, let alone playing?
lmfao you tell me. i dont know any players on our list who have not played footy or not even trained.
McIntosh played 14 games in the vfl in his first yr 2013 before he did his shoulder
He played 11 games in 2014 when he had a foot injury and missed 6 then played another two.even when injured there was plenty he could do and plenty he could work on.
He then suddenly played all games in 2015 but according to you there was no improvement to get there it just happened.
So once again your shown up for the fraud
It is patently clear that theres a real dislike for you and it is not just me.
It is pointless even trying to have a proper debate about anything football with you. but here we are you still trolling people over debates that we had how long ago still trying to belittle posters? Trying to make yourself feel good.
We clearly disagree but at some stage you have to let things go as i said grow up get a life.
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Who ever said "never played"?
You are the one that continually counts a time that certain players have spent being unable to play due to injury as time they have been in the system and as such they should be improving on account of "being in the system"
Look if you dont think a player can improve injured or not once he goes into an afl system then great you show your ignorance
Now, if you are going to make such comments, why is so unreasonable to have you explain yourself.
Why do you think you are so special that what you say should be above reproach and people should not be able to question you. You never explain such things in a rational logical manner, but instantly resort to personal attacks?
You are all so happy to criticise others constantly and relentless and tell the world how much better you are/ more you know than anyone else, but heaven forbid anyone question or disagree with you. You cry like a princess and the tantrums start, consisting of nothing more that aggressive personal responses.
It really does seem that the more a person is willing dish it out, the less capable they are of handling what they dish being put back on them.
Shows such a wonderful strength of character, that does.
So once again, how does a player improve his footy during time he isnt playing footy. Im sure I'm not the only one ignorant to this unique insight you have on player development.
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Who ever said "never played"?
You are the one that continually counts a time that certain players have spent being unable to play due to injury as time they have been in the system and as such they should be improving on account of "being in the system"
Look if you dont think a player can improve injured or not once he goes into an afl system then great you show your ignorance
Now, if you are going to make such comments, why is so unreasonable to have you explain yourself.
Why do you think you are so special that what you say should be above reproach and people should not be able to question you. You never explain such things in a rational logical manner, but instantly resort to personal attacks?
You are all so happy to criticise others constantly and relentless and tell the world how much better you are/ more you know than anyone else, but heaven forbid anyone question or disagree with you. You cry like a princess and the tantrums start, consisting of nothing more that aggressive personal responses.
It really does seem that the more a person is willing dish it out, the less capable they are of handling what they dish being put back on them.
Shows such a wonderful strength of character, that does.
So once again, how does a player improve his footy during time he isnt playing footy. Im sure I'm not the only one ignorant to this unique insight you have on player development.
I don't like to agree with internet bullies, but players can improve whilst injured.
Obviously they are limited in what they can do, but much of football and anything is in the mind.
For instance they can study the games of established greats, study opposition game styles to learn more about their role, how to go about it.
Visulisation is also another great tool athletes can use whilst injured. My ex piano teacher used to tell us how when he couldn't play, he would sit there with his eyes closed practically rehearsing his songs and practice in his head instead.
https://breakingmuscle.com/learn/visualization-the-simple-tool-for-even-greater-athletic-success
so yes, there are certainly ways that improvement can be made without actually physically being able to train.
Hope this answers the question :)
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and how much would they improve compared to someone actually playing?
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:huh
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I'm surprised that AFL clubs havnt cottoned on to this as an injury risk free way of developing their young players
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Who ever said "never played"?
You are the one that continually counts a time that certain players have spent being unable to play due to injury as time they have been in the system and as such they should be improving on account of "being in the system"
Look if you dont think a player can improve injured or not once he goes into an afl system then great you show your ignorance
Now, if you are going to make such comments, why is so unreasonable to have you explain yourself.
Why do you think you are so special that what you say should be above reproach and people should not be able to question you. You never explain such things in a rational logical manner, but instantly resort to personal attacks?
You are all so happy to criticise others constantly and relentless and tell the world how much better you are/ more you know than anyone else, but heaven forbid anyone question or disagree with you. You cry like a princess and the tantrums start, consisting of nothing more that aggressive personal responses.
It really does seem that the more a person is willing dish it out, the less capable they are of handling what they dish being put back on them.
Shows such a wonderful strength of character, that does.
So once again, how does a player improve his footy during time he isnt playing footy. Im sure I'm not the only one ignorant to this unique insight you have on player development.
I read the first line and stopped there.
I dont need to rehash this debate it was done how long ago? .Why do you feel the need to rehash this debate again nothing was resolved last time and wont be again this time.
I dont come on here to rehash poo over and over again which is exactly what happens with you you just can not help yourself.
I tell you why you bought it up you thought you saw a cheap shot a way to score one of those precious points that are so dear to you.
It has been done get over yourself no one is interested in doing it again.
If you think Kamdyn just magically improved in his third yr and there was no development in his first two. That is basically what your saying. your also saying he played no footy and did not train but hey that has been shown to be totally wrong, thats okay fine you think that way, good onya you keep pushing that barrow.
What i dont get is when will the penny drop Pardon the pun. im not interested debating anything with a ... sadly that shoe fits you to a tee,
You have already been shown to be wrong yet like the little person you are you just cant let it go.It is a problem bud and it drives people away from this site in droves.Why would you even bother try having debates with people who clearly want no part of you amazing.
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Goes without saying every club has three genuine tall defenders f/b, chb, third tall who usaully takes a Lynch or Stringer type.
It has been shown time and time again that Batchelor can not cope with talls he just is not tall enough. He also has never ever provided enough run. We have just two blokes who fit the bill Grimes and McIntosh.Grimes has shown he can do well in the air so play him tal, and then play McIntosh across h/b to provide badly needed run and cover in the air.
We complain about the lack of rebound yet there is a gift horse staring them in the face. It also provides flexability and accountability if developed. Grimes has best performed on smalls imo if one is getting hold of us you can then switch Mcintosh to third tall.
I have always argued McIntosh is a defender first and foremost who will provide substantial run. but we have failed to develop him in the role.
Rance is a lock, so is Astbury simply because there is no other player of kpd size anywhere near the level.In fact we dont have another genuine option so are stuck with him like him or not.
Imo the rest of the back half should be made up of Castagna or short and Markov or depending on opposition make up, all three.
FB: Grimes - Astbury - Castagna/Short
HB: Markov - Rance - McIntosh
There is no soft pricks like Houli ,B Ellis.
It has lots of height Rance, Astbury, Grimes, McIntosh.
Lots of run Markov,McIntosh, Rance, Castagna.
lots of pace Markov, Castagna, Mcintosh in fact only Astbury is slow and he will have a job on the slower bigger kpf/rucks.
They are all accountable and can defend an opponent
For once I Agree with Claw This is probably the best backline we .can put together. Too me it's not bad at all. Will be interesting if Hardwick think this is the right way to go.
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Who ever said "never played"?
You are the one that continually counts a time that certain players have spent being unable to play due to injury as time they have been in the system and as such they should be improving on account of "being in the system"
Look if you dont think a player can improve injured or not once he goes into an afl system then great you show your ignorance
Now, if you are going to make such comments, why is so unreasonable to have you explain yourself.
Why do you think you are so special that what you say should be above reproach and people should not be able to question you. You never explain such things in a rational logical manner, but instantly resort to personal attacks?
You are all so happy to criticise others constantly and relentless and tell the world how much better you are/ more you know than anyone else, but heaven forbid anyone question or disagree with you. You cry like a princess and the tantrums start, consisting of nothing more that aggressive personal responses.
It really does seem that the more a person is willing dish it out, the less capable they are of handling what they dish being put back on them.
Shows such a wonderful strength of character, that does.
So once again, how does a player improve his footy during time he isnt playing footy. Im sure I'm not the only one ignorant to this unique insight you have on player development.
I read the first line and stopped there.
I dont need to rehash this debate it was done how long ago? .Why do you feel the need to rehash this debate again nothing was resolved last time and wont be again this time.
I dont come on here to rehash poo over and over again which is exactly what happens with you you just can not help yourself.
I tell you why you bought it up you thought you saw a cheap shot a way to score one of those precious points that are so dear to you.
It has been done get over yourself no one is interested in doing it again.
If you think Kamdyn just magically improved in his third yr and there was no development in his first two. That is basically what your saying. your also saying he played no footy and did not train but hey that has been shown to be totally wrong, thats okay fine you think that way, good onya you keep pushing that barrow.
What i dont get is when will the penny drop Pardon the pun. im not interested debating anything with a ... sadly that shoe fits you to a tee,
You have already been shown to be wrong yet like the little person you are you just cant let it go.It is a problem bud and it drives people away from this site in droves.Why would you even bother try having debates with people who clearly want no part of you amazing.
lmao what a load of irrational waffle
I dont come on here to rehash poo over and over again which is exactly what happens with you you just can not help yourself.
I tell you why you bought it up you thought you saw a cheap shot a way to score one of those precious points that are so dear to you.
Nah, you come in here to hang poo. from one of your first return posts you were throwing mud my way and cry like bitch when some comes back.
If you are going to rattle people's chains you need to toughen up princess and stop sooking.
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and naturally we still don't have an explanation as to how a player develops their game when not actually playing, just more tears and personal attack.
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It's been happening a lot around here…
Sometimes you just have to return fire which is something I am having to do far more these days. Not sure what's going on here but people really attack personal opinions very strongly and get vicious too. I don't like returning fire but sometimes you just don't want to be walked over by others…. :rollin
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It's been happening a lot around here…
Sometimes you just have to return fire which is something I am having to do far more these days. Not sure what's going on here but people really attack personal opinions very strongly and get vicious too. I don't like returning fire but sometimes you just don't want to be walked over by others…. :rollin
I feel exactly the same way Y&BB. Some sanctimonious poo on this forum atm and I refuse to get bullied by forum members who are pals of site moderators
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It's been happening a lot around here…
Sometimes you just have to return fire which is something I am having to do far more these days. Not sure what's going on here but people really attack personal opinions very strongly and get vicious too. I don't like returning fire but sometimes you just don't want to be walked over by others…. :rollin
Why thank you YBB and its the same few all the time but pee weak mods let em get away with it all the time and then wonder why it becomes nasty.
Al gets all upset because i refuse to let him and his cronies walk all over me and point out how freakin stupid and juvenile they really are.
As i said i will probably cop a ban but you know what i dont give a stuff its not that important if im here or not.Would be nice to just be able to put out a footy opinion in a good footy debate with out having to put up with all their rubbish.
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Can anyone tell me if Nathan Broad looks like playing regular senior footy this year? He was all the rage when he was drafted, and I'm really not sure why......
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Can anyone tell me if Nathan Broad looks like playing regular senior footy this year? He was all the rage when he was drafted, and I'm really not sure why......
Not just having a dig here but imo he has more to work with than Batch. And should be given first crack at it.
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Can anyone tell me if Nathan Broad looks like playing regular senior footy this year? He was all the rage when he was drafted, and I'm really not sure why......
Not just having a dig here but imo he was more to work with than Batch. And should be given first crack at it.
Heretic!
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Claw, I know! I can't believe we let McIntosh roll around for most of the year in a Moonboot when he could've been starring in our back half! Shame on us! Whacks all round! ::)
HAHA!
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Claw, I know! I can't believe we let McIntosh roll around for most of the year in a Moonboot when he could've been starring in our back half! Shame on us! Whacks all round! ::)
HAHA!
Ha Ha nice try. Its been and done where were you?
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On the the tough calls headline.
WHAT tough calls you have to have good options to make tough calls what options are there.The only calls this club has to make is to stop playing utter shizen players and try some kids instead.
Never has it been so true when it comes to talls the cupboard is bare outside of two.
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Can anyone tell me if Nathan Broad looks like playing regular senior footy this year? He was all the rage when he was drafted, and I'm really not sure why......
Anyone we draft is the next big thing and more often than not we find out why you are not really sure.. :huh
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Who ever said "never played"?
You are the one that continually counts a time that certain players have spent being unable to play due to injury as time they have been in the system and as such they should be improving on account of "being in the system"
Look if you dont think a player can improve injured or not once he goes into an afl system then great you show your ignorance
Now, if you are going to make such comments, why is so unreasonable to have you explain yourself.
Why do you think you are so special that what you say should be above reproach and people should not be able to question you. You never explain such things in a rational logical manner, but instantly resort to personal attacks?
You are all so happy to criticise others constantly and relentless and tell the world how much better you are/ more you know than anyone else, but heaven forbid anyone question or disagree with you. You cry like a princess and the tantrums start, consisting of nothing more that aggressive personal responses.
It really does seem that the more a person is willing dish it out, the less capable they are of handling what they dish being put back on them.
Shows such a wonderful strength of character, that does.
So once again, how does a player improve his footy during time he isnt playing footy. Im sure I'm not the only one ignorant to this unique insight you have on player development.
If you think Kamdyn just magically improved in his third yr and there was no development in his first two. That is basically what your saying. your also saying he played no footy and did not train but hey that has been shown to be totally wrong, thats okay fine you think that way, good onya you keep pushing that barrow.
What i dont get is when will the penny drop Pardon the pun. im not interested debating anything with a ... sadly that shoe fits you to a tee,
You have already been shown to be wrong yet like the little person you are you just cant let it go.It is a problem bud and it drives people away from this site in droves.Why would you even bother try having debates with people who clearly want no part of you amazing.
I recall this discussion well. Whats got lost in translation is there were some posters (of which I was one) that felt Kamdyn was copping some harsh criticism by some other posters bc "he had been in the system for 2-3 seasons now, and thus you couldnt argue lack of development". The argument against was that even though he'd been in the system that long, a fair chunk of that time he was out due to injury therefore it probably wasnt fair to say hes been in the system that long and therefore no excuses etc etc. Of course he did develop in that time and had the opportunity to, but some of us felt he should be cut some slack bc it wasnt black and white.