Tough calls: Richmond's selection headaches in defence and ruck (Foxsports)

[Assange Tiger 😎]

I believe you can still pick up some knowledge that will be useful even when you are injured. Though you can't really expect a player to come on in leaps and bounds if they've been injured for long period of time.

[wayne]

Headaches in only defence and ruck?

What about forward and in the midfield too.

[the claw]

Claw, I know!  I can't believe we let McIntosh roll around for most of the year in a Moonboot when he could've been starring in our back half!  Shame on us!  Whacks all round!   

This first up. Which i was going to ignore but it becomes relevant.
Was not talking about last yr i was talking about when we first drafted him and his first three yrs. There were some pretty strong debates back then about him being a tall defender.We chose to ignore his pedigree and play him on a wing instead.
Hence the comments about us not developing him across hb.It had nothing to do with last yr and i have a strong feeling both you and dick head knew this.

how does a young player improve his football if he is not even training, let alone playing?

lmfao you tell me. i dont know any players on our list who have not played footy or not even trained.
McIntosh played 14 games in the vfl in his first yr 2013 before he did his shoulder
He played 11 games in 2014 when he had a foot injury and missed 6 then played another two.even when injured there was plenty he could do and plenty he could work on.
He then suddenly  played all games in 2015 but according to you there was no improvement to get there it just happened.

So once again your shown up for the fraud
It is patently clear that theres a real dislike for you and it is not just me.
 It is pointless even trying to have a proper debate about anything football with you. but here we are you still trolling people over debates that we had how long ago still trying to belittle posters?  Trying to make yourself feel good.
We clearly disagree but at some stage you have to let things go as i said grow up get a life.

[Penelope]

Who ever said "never played"?
You are the one that continually counts a time that certain players have spent being unable to play due to injury as time they have been in the system and as such they should be improving on account of "being in the system"

Look if you dont think a player can improve injured or not once he goes into an afl system then great you show your ignorance

Now, if you are going to make such comments, why is so unreasonable to have you explain yourself.

Why do you think you are so special that what you say should be above reproach and people should not be able to question you. You never explain such things in a rational logical manner, but instantly resort to personal attacks?

You are all so happy to criticise others constantly and relentless and tell the world how much better you are/ more you know than anyone else, but heaven forbid anyone question or disagree with you. You cry like a princess and the tantrums start, consisting of nothing more that aggressive personal responses.

It really does seem that the more a person is willing dish it out, the less capable they are of handling what they dish being put back on them.
Shows such a wonderful strength of character, that does.

So once again, how does a player improve his footy during time he isnt playing footy. Im sure I'm not the only one ignorant to this unique insight you have on player development.

[strongandbold]

Who ever said "never played"?
You are the one that continually counts a time that certain players have spent being unable to play due to injury as time they have been in the system and as such they should be improving on account of "being in the system"

Look if you dont think a player can improve injured or not once he goes into an afl system then great you show your ignorance

Now, if you are going to make such comments, why is so unreasonable to have you explain yourself.

Why do you think you are so special that what you say should be above reproach and people should not be able to question you. You never explain such things in a rational logical manner, but instantly resort to personal attacks?

You are all so happy to criticise others constantly and relentless and tell the world how much better you are/ more you know than anyone else, but heaven forbid anyone question or disagree with you. You cry like a princess and the tantrums start, consisting of nothing more that aggressive personal responses.

It really does seem that the more a person is willing dish it out, the less capable they are of handling what they dish being put back on them.
Shows such a wonderful strength of character, that does.

So once again, how does a player improve his footy during time he isnt playing footy. Im sure I'm not the only one ignorant to this unique insight you have on player development.

I don't like to agree with internet bullies, but players can improve whilst injured.

Obviously they are limited in what they can do, but much of football and anything is in the mind. 

For instance they can study the games of established greats, study opposition game styles to learn more about their role, how to go about it.

Visulisation is also another great tool athletes can use whilst injured.  My ex piano teacher used to tell us how when he couldn't play, he would sit there with his eyes closed practically rehearsing his songs and practice in his head instead.

https://breakingmuscle.com/learn/visualization-the-simple-tool-for-even-greater-athletic-success

so yes, there are certainly ways that improvement can be made without actually physically being able to train.

Hope this answers the question

[Penelope]

and how much would they improve compared to someone actually playing?

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[Assange Tiger 😎]

[Penelope]

I'm surprised that AFL clubs havnt cottoned on to this as an injury risk free way of developing their young players

[the claw]

Who ever said "never played"?
You are the one that continually counts a time that certain players have spent being unable to play due to injury as time they have been in the system and as such they should be improving on account of "being in the system"

Look if you dont think a player can improve injured or not once he goes into an afl system then great you show your ignorance

Now, if you are going to make such comments, why is so unreasonable to have you explain yourself.

Why do you think you are so special that what you say should be above reproach and people should not be able to question you. You never explain such things in a rational logical manner, but instantly resort to personal attacks?

You are all so happy to criticise others constantly and relentless and tell the world how much better you are/ more you know than anyone else, but heaven forbid anyone question or disagree with you. You cry like a princess and the tantrums start, consisting of nothing more that aggressive personal responses.

It really does seem that the more a person is willing dish it out, the less capable they are of handling what they dish being put back on them.
Shows such a wonderful strength of character, that does.

So once again, how does a player improve his footy during time he isnt playing footy. Im sure I'm not the only one ignorant to this unique insight you have on player development.

I read the first line and stopped there.
I dont need to rehash this debate it was done how long ago? .Why do you  feel the need to rehash this debate  again nothing was resolved last time and wont be again this time.

I dont come on here to rehash poo over and over again which is exactly what happens with you you just can not help yourself.
I tell you why you bought it up you thought you saw a cheap shot a way to score one of those precious points that are so dear to you.
It has been done get over yourself no one is interested in doing it again.

If  you think Kamdyn just magically improved in his third yr and there was no development in his first two.  That is basically what your saying. your also saying he played no footy and did not train but hey that has been shown to be totally wrong, thats okay fine you think that way, good onya  you keep pushing that barrow.
What i dont get is when will the penny drop Pardon the pun.  im not interested debating anything with a ... sadly that shoe fits you to a tee,

You have already been shown to be wrong yet like the little person you are you just cant let it go.It is a problem bud and it drives people away from this site in droves.Why would you even bother try having debates with people who clearly want no part of you amazing.

[Fluffy Tiger]

Goes without saying every club has three genuine tall defenders f/b, chb, third tall who usaully takes a Lynch or Stringer type.

It has been shown time and time again that Batchelor can not cope with talls he just is not tall enough. He also has never ever provided enough run. We have just two blokes who fit the bill Grimes and McIntosh.Grimes has shown he can do well in the air so play him tal,  and then play McIntosh across h/b to provide badly needed run and cover in the air.
We complain about the lack of rebound yet there is a gift horse staring them in the face. It also provides flexability and accountability if developed. Grimes has best performed on smalls imo if one is getting hold of us you can then switch Mcintosh to third tall.
I have always argued McIntosh is a defender first and foremost who will provide substantial run. but we have failed to develop him in the role.

Rance is a lock,  so is Astbury simply because there is no other player of kpd size anywhere near the level.In fact we dont have another genuine  option so are stuck with him like him or not.

Imo the rest of the back half should be made up of Castagna or short and Markov or depending on opposition make up, all three.

FB: Grimes - Astbury - Castagna/Short
HB: Markov - Rance - McIntosh

There is no soft pricks like  Houli ,B Ellis.
 
It has lots of height Rance, Astbury, Grimes, McIntosh.
Lots of run Markov,McIntosh, Rance, Castagna.
lots of pace Markov, Castagna, Mcintosh in fact only Astbury is slow and he will have a job on the slower bigger kpf/rucks.
They are all accountable and can defend an opponent

For once I Agree with Claw   This is probably the best backline we .can put together. Too me it's not bad at all.  Will be interesting if Hardwick think this is the right way to go.

[Penelope]

Who ever said "never played"?
You are the one that continually counts a time that certain players have spent being unable to play due to injury as time they have been in the system and as such they should be improving on account of "being in the system"

Look if you dont think a player can improve injured or not once he goes into an afl system then great you show your ignorance

Now, if you are going to make such comments, why is so unreasonable to have you explain yourself.

Why do you think you are so special that what you say should be above reproach and people should not be able to question you. You never explain such things in a rational logical manner, but instantly resort to personal attacks?

You are all so happy to criticise others constantly and relentless and tell the world how much better you are/ more you know than anyone else, but heaven forbid anyone question or disagree with you. You cry like a princess and the tantrums start, consisting of nothing more that aggressive personal responses.

It really does seem that the more a person is willing dish it out, the less capable they are of handling what they dish being put back on them.
Shows such a wonderful strength of character, that does.

So once again, how does a player improve his footy during time he isnt playing footy. Im sure I'm not the only one ignorant to this unique insight you have on player development.

I read the first line and stopped there.
I dont need to rehash this debate it was done how long ago? .Why do you  feel the need to rehash this debate  again nothing was resolved last time and wont be again this time.

I dont come on here to rehash poo over and over again which is exactly what happens with you you just can not help yourself.
I tell you why you bought it up you thought you saw a cheap shot a way to score one of those precious points that are so dear to you.
It has been done get over yourself no one is interested in doing it again.

If  you think Kamdyn just magically improved in his third yr and there was no development in his first two.  That is basically what your saying. your also saying he played no footy and did not train but hey that has been shown to be totally wrong, thats okay fine you think that way, good onya  you keep pushing that barrow.
What i dont get is when will the penny drop Pardon the pun.  im not interested debating anything with a ... sadly that shoe fits you to a tee,

You have already been shown to be wrong yet like the little person you are you just cant let it go.It is a problem bud and it drives people away from this site in droves.Why would you even bother try having debates with people who clearly want no part of you amazing.

lmao what a load of irrational waffle

I dont come on here to rehash poo over and over again which is exactly what happens with you you just can not help yourself.
I tell you why you bought it up you thought you saw a cheap shot a way to score one of those precious points that are so dear to you.

Nah, you come in here to hang poo. from one of your first return posts you were throwing mud my way and cry like bitch when some comes back.
If you are going to rattle people's chains you need to toughen up princess and stop sooking.

[Penelope]

and naturally we still don't have an explanation as to how a player develops their game when not actually playing, just more tears and personal attack.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

It's been happening a lot around here…

Sometimes you just have to return fire which is something I am having to do far more these days. Not sure what's going on here but people really attack personal opinions very strongly and get vicious too. I don't like returning fire but sometimes you just don't want to be walked over by others….

[Hard Roar Tiger]

It's been happening a lot around here…

Sometimes you just have to return fire which is something I am having to do far more these days. Not sure what's going on here but people really attack personal opinions very strongly and get vicious too. I don't like returning fire but sometimes you just don't want to be walked over by others….

I feel exactly the same way Y&BB. Some sanctimonious poo on this forum atm and I refuse to get bullied by forum members who are pals of site moderators