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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 07, 2017, 02:14:53 AM
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Riewoldt leading from the front again
AAP, Herald Sun
Feb 7, 2017
A RETURN to Richmond’s leadership group could be in the offing for Jack Riewoldt after an impressive pre-season from the forward.
Riewoldt hasn’t held an official position at Punt Rd since he was omitted from the leadership group before the 2014 season, but forwards’ assistant coach Justin Leppitsch has been impressed with Riewoldt’s influence over the summer.
“He’s been a great leader for us, Jack, he really drives the whole thing,” Leppitsch, who is back at the Tigers after coaching the Brisbane Lions, told the club’s website.
“Particularly this year, he’s taken a bigger role again because he’s the most experienced (forward) and he’s a really smart footballer.
“He’s really well respected and an important player for us and a really important leader down there.”
Richmond lost a key on-field general with vice-captain Brett Deledio’s departure for Greater Western Sydney in last year’s trade period.
Veteran ruckman Ivan Maric also looks likely to drop out of the leadership group after just three games last year, leaving Shane Edwards and Alex Rance as the only deputies to skipper Trent Cotchin.
Riewoldt, a Jack Dyer medallist and seven-time leading goalkicker, has said he would be open to a leadership return.
“I’m putting my hand up to lead in whatever capacity the club needs me to do,” he told SEN.
“Whether that’s in an official capacity (or not), I’m one of the oldest players now, I’ll need to set the standards, and I feel like I set the standards pretty high.”
Richmond is in the process of finalising its on-field leadership structure.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jack-riewoldt-is-leading-from-the-front-during-richmond-preseason/news-story/0e86a21513be93daf075a6c976a5fa80
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Shane Edwards? Barely in the best 22
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Cotch as a captain costs us games.
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Cotch as a captain costs us games.
Really?
I thought the whole TEAM cost us games. :rollin
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Cotch as a captain costs us games.
Really?
I thought the whole TEAM cost us games. :rollin
Nup just Cotchin :shh
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The LOL group.
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Edwards...... :help...just...... :help
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Edwards...... :help...just...... :help
You need to chill out Mc Nuggs
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Cotch as a captain costs us games.
Really?
I thought the whole TEAM cost us games. :rollin
I thought it was Dimma :huh
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Cotch as a captain costs us games.
Really?
I thought the whole TEAM cost us games. :rollin
I thought it was Dimma :huh
Isn't he the head of the TEAM? ;)
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Why no Batch? :huh
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Why no Batch? :huh
The email from OER failed to get to the club? :banghead
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Tich = Morris in the leadership group when he was elevated, crap decision.
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Next ::)
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I'm surpirised Hampson isn't in it.
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I'm surpirised Hampson isn't in it.
He leads by example at training
Spiritual leader
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Maybe Batchelor and Morris this year would have been better, oh and throw Tich in too.
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KB's Take | Why haven't Tiger teammates rated Jack?
By Kevin Bartlett
SEN
Feb 9, 2017
Jack Riewoldt hasn’t been in Richmond’s leadership group for three years.
That has been a great mystery for those outside the Richmond Football Club.
What is it about the club’s Jack Dyer and Coleman Medal winner and seven times leading goal kicker that has team mates offside so much, that they dumped him back in 2014.
It’s always puzzled me that the star forward and match winner, who along with Trent Cotchin and the now departed Brett Deledio, made up the big three at Tigerland did not have the qualities whatever they were to win the confidence of the playing group.
New assistant coach Justin Leppitsch sings Riewoldt’s praises during this pre-season. He calls him a great leader who drives the club and says he is well respected as the most experienced forward at Punt Road.
That’s what has me scratching my head. Because the players clearly have never thought that.
2017 is a crunch year for the Tigers. Coach Damien Hardwick is under scrutiny, Deledio packed up and went to GWS, Dustin Martin has put contract talks on hold and outside groups have shown their agitation.
So the club has to get everything right in 2017 and the on-field leadership will be critical.
Leppitsch says in Riewoldt. Now it’s over to the players.
I’m KB, that’s my take.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/02/06/kbs-take-or-why-havent-tiger-teammates-rated-jack/
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Does anyone actually think the players have a decent say on who is captain or even who is in the leadership group?
I don't.
I think there is a vote, and then the coach and coaching group put whoever they want in the leadership group. How would anyone know any better??
From what I've heard in previous years Cotch wouldn't have been the captain if it were up to the playing group.
Anyway just my opinion.
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Does anyone actually think the players have a decent say on who is captain or even who is in the leadership group?
I don't.
I think there is a vote, and then the coach and coaching group put whoever they want in the leadership group. How would anyone know any better??
From what I've heard in previous years Cotch wouldn't have been the captain if it were up to the playing group.
Anyway just my opinion.
I do actually.
Players most definitely elect the leadership group and vote on the captain. Have heard this from a few players over the years
Coaches also vote and recommend to the board who ratify (most clubs have the appointment rstifeid by the board)
Having said that ultimately the coach has the most say. That's why I reckon Cotchin will remain captain. Hardwick has already said as far as he's concerned Cotchin will be captain in 2017
But the leadership group is voted on by the playing group
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Does anyone actually think the players have a decent say on who is captain or even who is in the leadership group?
I don't.
I think there is a vote, and then the coach and coaching group put whoever they want in the leadership group. How would anyone know any better??
From what I've heard in previous years Cotch wouldn't have been the captain if it were up to the playing group.
Anyway just my opinion.
I do actually.
Players most definitely elect the leadership group and vote on the captain. Have heard this from a few players over the years
Coaches also vote and recommend to the board who ratify (most clubs have the appointment rstifeid by the board)
Having said that ultimately the coach has the most say. That's why I reckon Cotchin will remain captain. Hardwick has already said as far as he's concerned Cotchin will be captain in 2017
But the leadership group is voted on by the playing group
I know the players vote but as I said, who would know what the results were other than Dimma and maybe his assistants. If the players actually had a say Jack would have been in the leadership group the last couple of years IMO.
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Does anyone actually think the players have a decent say on who is captain or even who is in the leadership group?
I don't.
I think there is a vote, and then the coach and coaching group put whoever they want in the leadership group. How would anyone know any better??
From what I've heard in previous years Cotch wouldn't have been the captain if it were up to the playing group.
Anyway just my opinion.
I do actually.
Players most definitely elect the leadership group and vote on the captain. Have heard this from a few players over the years
Coaches also vote and recommend to the board who ratify (most clubs have the appointment rstifeid by the board)
Having said that ultimately the coach has the most say. That's why I reckon Cotchin will remain captain. Hardwick has already said as far as he's concerned Cotchin will be captain in 2017
But the leadership group is voted on by the playing group
I know the players vote but as I said, who would know what the results were other than Dimma and maybe his assistants. If the players actually had a say Jack would have been in the leadership group the last couple of years IMO.
Players voted him out 2 seasons ago. Staggering I know but it is what happened
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Does anyone actually think the players have a decent say on who is captain or even who is in the leadership group?
I don't.
I think there is a vote, and then the coach and coaching group put whoever they want in the leadership group. How would anyone know any better??
From what I've heard in previous years Cotch wouldn't have been the captain if it were up to the playing group.
Anyway just my opinion.
I do actually.
Players most definitely elect the leadership group and vote on the captain. Have heard this from a few players over the years
Coaches also vote and recommend to the board who ratify (most clubs have the appointment rstifeid by the board)
Having said that ultimately the coach has the most say. That's why I reckon Cotchin will remain captain. Hardwick has already said as far as he's concerned Cotchin will be captain in 2017
But the leadership group is voted on by the playing group
I know the players vote but as I said, who would know what the results were other than Dimma and maybe his assistants. If the players actually had a say Jack would have been in the leadership group the last couple of years IMO.
Players voted him out 2 seasons ago. Staggering I know but it is what happened
This is what I find really annoying about you WP. What you know to have happened is only what someone has told you. And as I've said TWICE, Dimma can say whatever he likes, and choose whom ever he likes as no one will ever know the true result of the vote.
If you had said, this is my opinion, I would accept that but you are always so "matter of fact" like you are the only one that really knows anything that happens at the club.
Tha facts are you don't really know if the players voted Jack out or not.
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I have to disagree with you big tone. I know nobody knows what really happens but there are a few points that indicate that what you say is very unlikely.
Firstly, why would the club go through the charade of having a players vote only to veto the whole process and have the coach and coaching group select the leadership group? Why not just say that the coach and coaching group will select the leadership group and just leave it at that?
Secondly, don't you think that the players would get suspicious? Wouldn't you think that many of them talk with one another about their thoughts? If several of them said to each other they picked Jack and he wasn't selected, wouldn't you think that eventually that would get out? The damage that would create would be enormous. Why would the club take the chance?
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I have to disagree with you big tone. I know nobody knows what really happens but there are a few points that indicate that what you say is very unlikely.
Firstly, why would the club go through the charade of having a players vote only to veto the whole process and have the coach and coaching group select the leadership group? Why not just say that the coach and coaching group will select the leadership group and just leave it at that?
Secondly, don't you think that the players would get suspicious? Wouldn't you think that many of them talk with one another about their thoughts? If several of them said to each other they picked Jack and he wasn't selected, wouldn't you think that eventually that would get out? The damage that would create would be enormous. Why would the club take the chance?
WP mentioned the coach has the biggest say on voting the captain (which is clearly the most important role in the leadership group) and the board have veto rights (they have to ratify) so at face value, based on WP's intel - the players vote is only one part of the process and somewhat open to veto. Even if you accept that it's only the captaincy which Dimma has the most say, imagine if the players voted Cotchin out of the leadership group and Dimma still kept him as captain - based on WPs assertion, that's possible which is ridiculous.
Having said that BTS point seems more linked to WP posting assertions which come across as fact without quoting sources which to BT comes across as a double standard. As this seems to be his point, what aspect of that are you disagreeing with?
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This is what I find really annoying about you WP. What you know to have happened is only what someone has told you. And as I've said TWICE, Dimma can say whatever he likes, and choose whom ever he likes as no one will ever know the true result of the vote.
If you had said, this is my opinion, I would accept that but you are always so "matter of fact" like you are the only one that really knows anything that happens at the club.
Tha facts are you don't really know if the players voted Jack out or not.
So I get told the same thing by a number of people not one person a number of people and I have to preface t but saying it's just my opinion. :huh
Fact up until about 6 months ago the club's leadership program was run by a third party called Leading Teams; this isn't hearsay it is as I said fact.
Club flicked them; been reported in the media. Why were they flicked? Who knows?
Anyway as part of the leading Teams running the leadership program they are the people who conduct the vote. A number of people have told me that the votes go to them they count them and the announce them. they have said that's how it works.
Even someone I know who follows another club that uses Leading teams told me the same thing
So in my opinion having been told the same thing by a number of people in that a 3rd party has in the past conducted the voting process it would be extremely difficult for one individual to change the result
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I have to disagree with you big tone. I know nobody knows what really happens but there are a few points that indicate that what you say is very unlikely.
Firstly, why would the club go through the charade of having a players vote only to veto the whole process and have the coach and coaching group select the leadership group? Why not just say that the coach and coaching group will select the leadership group and just leave it at that?
Secondly, don't you think that the players would get suspicious? Wouldn't you think that many of them talk with one another about their thoughts? If several of them said to each other they picked Jack and he wasn't selected, wouldn't you think that eventually that would get out? The damage that would create would be enormous. Why would the club take the chance?
WP mentioned the coach has the biggest say on voting the captain (which is clearly the most important role in the leadership group) and the board have veto rights (they have to ratify) so at face value, based on WP's intel - the players vote is only one part of the process and somewhat open to veto. Even if you accept that it's only the captaincy which Dimma has the most say, imagine if the players voted Cotchin out of the leadership group and Dimma still kept him as captain - based on WPs assertion, that's possible which is ridiculous.
Having said that BTS point seems more linked to WP posting assertions which come across as fact without quoting sources which to BT comes across as a double standard. As this seems to be his point, what aspect of that are you disagreeing with?
This quote:
"I think there is a vote, and then the coach and coaching group put whoever they want in the leadership group. How would anyone know any better??"
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This is what I find really annoying about you WP. What you know to have happened is only what someone has told you. And as I've said TWICE, Dimma can say whatever he likes, and choose whom ever he likes as no one will ever know the true result of the vote.
If you had said, this is my opinion, I would accept that but you are always so "matter of fact" like you are the only one that really knows anything that happens at the club.
Tha facts are you don't really know if the players voted Jack out or not.
So I get told the same thing by a number of people not one person a number of people and I have to preface t but saying it's just my opinion. :huh
Fact up until about 6 months ago the club's leadership program was run by a third party called Leading Teams; this isn't hearsay it is as I said fact.
Club flicked them; been reported in the media. Why were they flicked? Who knows?
Anyway as part of the leading Teams running the leadership program they are the people who conduct the vote. A number of people have told me that the votes go to them they count them and the announce them. they have said that's how it works.
Even someone I know who follows another club that uses Leading teams told me the same thing
So in my opinion having been told the same thing by a number of people in that a 3rd party has in the past conducted the voting process it would be extremely difficult for one individual to change the result
You are wasting your breath WP, some fools see cloak and daggers by making their own shadows
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This is what I find really annoying about you WP. What you know to have happened is only what someone has told you. And as I've said TWICE, Dimma can say whatever he likes, and choose whom ever he likes as no one will ever know the true result of the vote.
If you had said, this is my opinion, I would accept that but you are always so "matter of fact" like you are the only one that really knows anything that happens at the club.
Tha facts are you don't really know if the players voted Jack out or not.
So I get told the same thing by a number of people not one person a number of people and I have to preface t but saying it's just my opinion. :huh
Fact up until about 6 months ago the club's leadership program was run by a third party called Leading Teams; this isn't hearsay it is as I said fact.
Club flicked them; been reported in the media. Why were they flicked? Who knows?
Anyway as part of the leading Teams running the leadership program they are the people who conduct the vote. A number of people have told me that the votes go to them they count them and the announce them. they have said that's how it works.
Even someone I know who follows another club that uses Leading teams told me the same thing
So in my opinion having been told the same thing by a number of people in that a 3rd party has in the past conducted the voting process it would be extremely difficult for one individual to change the result
You are wasting your breath WP, some fools see cloak and daggers by making their own shadows
Old Chunky to the rescue. I'm sure WP can fight his own battles.
Another useless post but thanks for your "cloak and dagger" input. Really glad I wasted my time reading that.
Here is a tip for free, try and contribute something decent once in a while. It makes it so much more interesting for the other forum members. I suppose I should be thankful it wasn't one of your pathetically boring and unfunny jokes. :wallywink
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This is what I find really annoying about you WP. What you know to have happened is only what someone has told you. And as I've said TWICE, Dimma can say whatever he likes, and choose whom ever he likes as no one will ever know the true result of the vote.
If you had said, this is my opinion, I would accept that but you are always so "matter of fact" like you are the only one that really knows anything that happens at the club.
Tha facts are you don't really know if the players voted Jack out or not.
So I get told the same thing by a number of people not one person a number of people and I have to preface t but saying it's just my opinion. :huh
Fact up until about 6 months ago the club's leadership program was run by a third party called Leading Teams; this isn't hearsay it is as I said fact.
Club flicked them; been reported in the media. Why were they flicked? Who knows?
Anyway as part of the leading Teams running the leadership program they are the people who conduct the vote. A number of people have told me that the votes go to them they count them and the announce them. they have said that's how it works.
Even someone I know who follows another club that uses Leading teams told me the same thing
So in my opinion having been told the same thing by a number of people in that a 3rd party has in the past conducted the voting process it would be extremely difficult for one individual to change the result
The reason I question the system WP is because I've heard something in the past that makes me think it's not all above board. Nothing I would be comfortable sharing but I too heard it from someone inside the club at the time. He was wearing a cloak and did have a dagger but I definitely think what he was saying was fact. :shh
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One more thing that puts doubts in my mind about the system is if there truely is a vote that determined who was captain, wouldn't it be as early as possible in the pre-season? So if it were to be a new captain they would have time to learn the roll as well as have some say into how they want to captain the club.
IMO the later it is left the more I think that the captain is already chosen from above and not the players.
Thoughts?..... (Except Chunky) :lol
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I think votes for the leadership group, and therefore electing a captain, should be held some time around now. It gives new recruits time to decide on who they want.
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I see Fyfe has been named captain of Freeo this year.
Anyone think the players voted him in or do you think the club has named him captain to try and keep him in Freeo?
Seems a little convenient to me!! Nar, that stuff wouldn't happen.
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Dusty for captain.
Never know, the kid might like it.
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Vlastuin will be our next captain. :shh
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I see Fyfe has been named captain of Freeo this year.
Anyone think the players voted him in or do you think the club has named him captain to try and keep him in Freeo?
Seems a little convenient to me!! Nar, that stuff wouldn't happen.
Actually in today's Age Caro suggests that Ross Lyon wanted Fyfe as captain last season but the players voted Munday; so Munday got the gig.... as I said in today's Age
Make of that what you like
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I see Fyfe has been named captain of Freeo this year.
Anyone think the players voted him in or do you think the club has named him captain to try and keep him in Freeo?
Seems a little convenient to me!! Nar, that stuff wouldn't happen.
Actually in today's Age Caro suggests that Ross Lyon wanted Fyfe as captain last season but the players voted Munday; so Munday got the gig.... as I said in today's Age
Make of that what you like
What I make of that is the players didn't vote him in last year coming off a Brownlow, so I would be pretty confident they didn't vote him in this year after just a couple of games. But the coach and the club did as he is out out of contract and they think it might make it a little bit harder to leave.
Is that at all possible WP? Or do you still think the players always decide the captain and the leadership group?
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I'm surpirised Hampson isn't in it.
to early...after getting another 2 years for his stellar improvement last year where he dominated and took 300% more marks than before with 3...one more stellar year and he will take over from Benny as the CEO
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I'm surpirised Hampson isn't in it.
to early...after getting another 2 years for his stellar improvement last year where he dominated and took 300% more marks than before with 3...one more stellar year and he will take over from Benny as the CEO
Lets hope he gets his crayon licence by then.
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I'm surpirised Hampson isn't in it.
to early...after getting another 2 years for his stellar improvement last year where he dominated and took 300% more marks than before with 3...one more stellar year and he will take over from Benny as the CEO
Lets hope he gets his crayon licence by then.
He'll have to stop eating them first
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I'm surpirised Hampson isn't in it.
to early...after getting another 2 years for his stellar improvement last year where he dominated and took 300% more marks than before with 3...one more stellar year and he will take over from Benny as the CEO
Lets hope he gets his crayon licence by then.
He'll have to stop eating them first
:clapping
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Look who's next to Hardwick in Richmond's team photo
AFL.com.au
Feb 17, 2017
IF RICHMOND'S team photo is any indication, Jack Riewoldt will return to the Tigers' leadership group as vice-captain.
In the photo taken at the club's Punt Road headquarters on Friday, Riewoldt sits directly next to coach Damien Hardwick, while skipper Trent Cotchin assumes his usual position on the other side of the coach.
Since Riewoldt was dropped from the club's leadership group before the 2014 season the seats either side of the coach have been occupied by Cotchin and his deputy, Brett Deledio.
But with Deledio's departure for Greater Western Sydney, a beaming Riewoldt said 'cheese' immediately to Hardwick's right.
Also in prominent spots are 2016 leaders Alex Rance and Shane Edwards.
Riewoldt's ascension would end his three-year absence from the peer-voted leadership group.
It would also stop the constant speculation over the passionate spearhead's status in the playing group, with some experts having previously called for the Tigers to install him as captain in their quest to return to the finals.
Riewoldt recently told SEN radio that he'd always tried to show leadership, regardless of whether he had an official title or not.
"I know I have got a big presence at the footy club. I am one of the oldest players and I need to set standards and I feel like I can set them high," he said.
"If I hold myself accountable to those standards it drives the young players."
The 28-year-old – a dual Coleman medallist and a dual All Australian – has kicked 483 goals in 202 games and led the Tigers' goalkicking in each of the past seven seasons.
Riewoldt won the club best and fairest in 2010.
Before the photo shoot, Tigers forward Sam Lloyd said the team was yet to discuss the on-field leadership group for 2017.
But whether Jack's back or not, Lloyd doesn't think it will make much difference.
"In my opinion I don't really mind if Jack's in the leadership group or not," Lloyd said.
"The title of 'leadership group' for him is not going to stop him talking or stop him leading.
"It's probably just a title next to his name because he's a fantastic leader already.
"Whether he's in the leadership group or not ... I don't know if it will faze him but I don't think it will faze many players because he's going to lead regardless."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-02-17/look-whos-next-to-hardwick-in-the-team-photo
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Tim Watson on Ch 7 news just said Jack is back in the good books and into Richmond's leadership group.
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I see Fyfe has been named captain of Freeo this year.
Anyone think the players voted him in or do you think the club has named him captain to try and keep him in Freeo?
Seems a little convenient to me!! Nar, that stuff wouldn't happen.
It certainly does happen, and did.
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Tim Watson on Ch 7 news just said Jack is back in the good books and into Richmond's leadership group.
Jon Ralph added Jack's promotion is likely to include the vice-captaincy.
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I see Fyfe has been named captain of Freeo this year.
Anyone think the players voted him in or do you think the club has named him captain to try and keep him in Freeo?
Seems a little convenient to me!! Nar, that stuff wouldn't happen.
It certainly does happen, and did.
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Yer that was my point.
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I see Fyfe has been named captain of Freeo this year.
Anyone think the players voted him in or do you think the club has named him captain to try and keep him in Freeo?
Seems a little convenient to me!! Nar, that stuff wouldn't happen.
It certainly does happen, and did.
What i probably should of added to that was 2 words, "extenuating circumstance" you have got to have some wiggle room in the proper circumstance whether that is openly acknowledged or not, but it must not be abused otherwise credibility as management is undermined.
Nothing i have said here invalidates what WP or anybody has said on this issue in previous posts, you are both in essence correct.
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I see Fyfe has been named captain of Freeo this year.
Anyone think the players voted him in or do you think the club has named him captain to try and keep him in Freeo?
Seems a little convenient to me!! Nar, that stuff wouldn't happen.
It certainly does happen, and did.
What i probably should of added to that was 2 words, "extenuating circumstance" you have got to have some wiggle room in the proper circumstance whether that is openly acknowledged or not, but it must not be abused otherwise credibility as management is undermined.
Nothing i have said here invalidates what WP or anybody has said on this issue in previous posts, you are both in essence correct.
It's not something that can be both ways imo.... it either happens or it doesn't.
Either the players vote their captain in and the coach and the coaching panel endorse it and WP is right, or the players get a vote and then the club decides if that is the way they want to go. So in simple terms, if they like who the players voted for all good and well but if not they decide it anyway.
And in Freeo's case, the club decided they would use the captaincy as a tool to try and keep their best player at their club. And rightfully so imo. As you agree with going off your previous post. But don't try and tell me the players voted him in as captain after last year when they voted Mundy in over Fyfe.
IMO and i am only guessing but I don't even think the players will get a vote this year about who is their captain as I think Dimma already knows who he wants. It seems to me that the coaching panel decide who they want as captain when we are in the position we are now as a club. I'm not saying I even disagree with that but I would rather hear that than the charade the club goes through.
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Changing it up a bit this year. Balme thought the old way needed improving. He and the coaches will have more say this year. :shh
PS from a very good source.
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Changing it up a bit this year. Balme thought the old way needed improving. He and the coaches will have more say this year. :shh
PS from a very good source.
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Doesnt this prove that dimwit has nfi how to coach or develop players/staff.
ffs even people on here were calling for most of these changes.
the dumb stuff has gotta go
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what changes are you referring too?
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Changes to the way the leadership group is selected. Balme as General Manager - Football wants more of a say basically.
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people were asking for that?
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Did Neil pick the leadership group at Geelong too?
:lol
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Changing it up a bit this year. Balme thought the old way needed improving. He and the coaches will have more say this year. :shh
PS from a very good source.
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I'll believe you if the source is not one of WP's 3 sources. (Only joking WP 😜)
So the club are changing it up this year by giving the captaincy to Cotch again. Classic Tigers!!
Anyway thanks for the info 👍
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Probably means nothing, but check the team photo out. Usually captain sits next too coach?
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Before the photo shoot, Tigers forward Sam Lloyd said the team was yet to discuss the on-field leadership group for 2017.
But whether Jack's back or not, Lloyd doesn't think it will make much difference.
"In my opinion I don't really mind if Jack's in the leadership group or not," Lloyd said.
"The title of 'leadership group' for him is not going to stop him talking or stop him leading.
If that's the case, what's the point in having a leadership group?
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Players to have 'huge say' in Tigers' leadership group
AFL.com.au
Feb 21, 2017
ON-FIELD influence will be the priority when Richmond selects its leadership group this season, potentially opening the door for star forward Jack Riewoldt to return.
Riewoldt has been among the Tigers' most influential players over the past seven years, leading the club's goalkicking every year and winning All Australian selection in 2010 and 2015.
The demonstrative forward has not been part of the Tigers' leadership group for three years, however, after he was dropped at the start of 2014.
Curiously, last week he was seated next to coach Damien Hardwick in the team photo.
New head of football Neil Balme outlined the Tigers' approach to their leadership vote, saying the players would have a "huge say" in the 2017 structure.
He said the club, which opens its JLT Community Series campaign against Adelaide on Friday night, would prioritise on-field influence ahead of off-field leadership.
"Our key for 2017 – what we need to do more than anything else – is [to] be as good as we can be on the field," Balme told the club's website.
"We should be saying, 'What do we do with our leadership to make sure we're influencing on-field more than anything else'?
"It doesn’t mean off-field’s not important, but it might be, right, exactly what do we need now?"
The Tigers' on-field focus could also open the door for club champion and 2016 All Australian Dustin Martin to be selected in the leadership group for the first time.
The 2016 leadership group included skipper Trent Cotchin, joint vice-captains Brett Deledio and Ivan Maric as well as star defender Alex Rance and half-forward Shane Edwards.
While the players will have a big say in their new leadership structure, Balme said the decision would involve coach Damien Hardwick, his assistant coaches, and CEO Brendon Gale.
"It’s very much a club issue. What does the club need? What do the coaches need?" Balme said.
"Certainly, the players will have a huge say. But it won’t just necessarily be a pure vote on who do you want to be captain, or in the leadership group. It’ll be who they want to run those parts of the program."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-02-21/players-to-have-huge-say-in-tigers-leadership-group
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so in a matter of months we have gone from the players having the only say in the leadership group to now the whole club having a say.
As someone has alluded to IMO i think old mr dimwit had a big say in the previous leadership group, and left big jack out because he told some home truths about his coaching. Loved Morris which he was on record as saying so yep popped him in for a year, ditto edwards.
Now that big balme is running the show lets hope he can actually coach for the dud too.
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Balme was a shyte coach...hopefully he'll delegate that to Caracella or McRae.... and Stevie J next year..... :shh
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Does anyone actually think the captain and the leadership aren't picked yet?
This is what I dislike about this club- it's so dishonest.
Why lie about it??
The other thing that doesn't add up is he says the players will have a huge say on the leadership group this year insinuating that they haven't before. But WP knows 3 people that have told him different about previous years.
WP I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
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Does anyone actually think the captain and the leadership aren't picked yet?
This is what I dislike about this club- it's so dishonest.
Why lie about it??
The other thing that doesn't add up is he says the player will have a huge say on the leadership group this year insinuating that they haven't before. But WP knows 3 people that have told him different about previous years.
WP I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
The huge say they have is Balme reinforcing they still have SOME say. The coaches and he (as general manager) will have a bigger say than they've had in the past.
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Does anyone actually think the captain and the leadership aren't picked yet?
This is what I dislike about this club- it's so dishonest.
Why lie about it??
The other thing that doesn't add up is he says the player will have a huge say on the leadership group this year insinuating that they haven't before. But WP knows 3 people that have told him different about previous years.
WP I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
The huge say they have is Balme reinforcing they still have SOME say. The coaches and he (as general manager) will have a bigger say than they've had in the past.
Didn't you agree with WP the other day saying the players picked the captain and the leadership group by way of a vote. And also said the club wouldn't risk just picking who they wanted in stead as the players talk and would be suspicious?? Now it seems you are saying the opposite.
Which is it?
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Does anyone actually think the captain and the leadership aren't picked yet?
This is what I dislike about this club- it's so dishonest.
Why lie about it??
The other thing that doesn't add up is he says the player will have a huge say on the leadership group this year insinuating that they haven't before. But WP knows 3 people that have told him different about previous years.
WP I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
The huge say they have is Balme reinforcing they still have SOME say. The coaches and he (as general manager) will have a bigger say than they've had in the past.
Didn't you agree with WP the other day saying the players picked the captain and the leadership group by way of a vote. And also said the club wouldn't risk just picking who they wanted in stead as the players talk and would be suspicious?? Now it seems you are saying the opposite.
Which is it?
I've been consistent. I said that in the past the players voted and they had sway. It has changed this year with the FD having more of a say.
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I have to disagree with you big tone. I know nobody knows what really happens but there are a few points that indicate that what you say is very unlikely.
Firstly, why would the club go through the charade of having a players vote only to veto the whole process and have the coach and coaching group select the leadership group? Why not just say that the coach and coaching group will select the leadership group and just leave it at that?
Secondly, don't you think that the players would get suspicious? Wouldn't you think that many of them talk with one another about their thoughts? If several of them said to each other they picked Jack and he wasn't selected, wouldn't you think that eventually that would get out? The damage that would create would be enormous. Why would the club take the chance?
Still think are have been consistent?
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I have to disagree with you big tone. I know nobody knows what really happens but there are a few points that indicate that what you say is very unlikely.
Firstly, why would the club go through the charade of having a players vote only to veto the whole process and have the coach and coaching group select the leadership group? Why not just say that the coach and coaching group will select the leadership group and just leave it at that?
Secondly, don't you think that the players would get suspicious? Wouldn't you think that many of them talk with one another about their thoughts? If several of them said to each other they picked Jack and he wasn't selected, wouldn't you think that eventually that would get out? The damage that would create would be enormous. Why would the club take the chance?
Still think are have been consistent?
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Very. Where have I not been? Above shows that I believed the players had the majority of the power in the past years. Now I am saying the FD will have more of a say. I don't quite understand what you think you are seeing.
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I have to disagree with you big tone. I know nobody knows what really happens but there are a few points that indicate that what you say is very unlikely.
Firstly, why would the club go through the charade of having a players vote only to veto the whole process and have the coach and coaching group select the leadership group? Why not just say that the coach and coaching group will select the leadership group and just leave it at that?
Secondly, don't you think that the players would get suspicious? Wouldn't you think that many of them talk with one another about their thoughts? If several of them said to each other they picked Jack and he wasn't selected, wouldn't you think that eventually that would get out? The damage that would create would be enormous. Why would the club take the chance?
Still think are have been consistent?
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Very. Where have I not been? Above shows that I believed the players had the majority of the power in the past years. Now I am saying the FD will have more of a say. I don't quite understand what you think you are seeing.
What I'm seeing is an artical saying the players will have a HUGE SAY THIS YEAR on who is in the leadership group, basically saying they haven't before. Which is what I think happens. Otherwise why say it!! Or are you saying Neil Balme is talking poo??
You have stated that the players vote every year and the vote is final and if the coach was to veto their decision on who is in the leadership group, the players would get suspicious as they all talk. Is that not what you said on the 12th of Feb??
The whole point is, I don't think the players had much of a say in the past on who was captain or who was in the leadership group. BUT THIS YEAR, as Balme said, they will.
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I have to disagree with you big tone. I know nobody knows what really happens but there are a few points that indicate that what you say is very unlikely.
Firstly, why would the club go through the charade of having a players vote only to veto the whole process and have the coach and coaching group select the leadership group? Why not just say that the coach and coaching group will select the leadership group and just leave it at that?
Secondly, don't you think that the players would get suspicious? Wouldn't you think that many of them talk with one another about their thoughts? If several of them said to each other they picked Jack and he wasn't selected, wouldn't you think that eventually that would get out? The damage that would create would be enormous. Why would the club take the chance?
Still think are have been consistent?
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Very. Where have I not been? Above shows that I believed the players had the majority of the power in the past years. Now I am saying the FD will have more of a say. I don't quite understand what you think you are seeing.
What I'm seeing is an artical saying the players will have a HUGE SAY THIS YEAR on who is in the leadership group, basically saying they haven't before. Which is what I think happens. Otherwise why say it!! Or are you saying Neil Balme is talking poo??
You have stated that the players vote every year and the vote is final and if the coach was to veto their decision on who is in the leadership group, the players would get suspicious as they all talk. Is that not what you said on the 12th of Feb??
The whole point is, I don't think the players had much of a say in the past on who was captain or who was in the leadership group. BUT THIS YEAR, as Balme said, they will.
It's actually the opposite. I got that from someone employed at the club.
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Welllllllllllll that's that then
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Ch 7 news tonight said Richmond's leadership group will be announced in the next few days with Cotch expected to remain captain.
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Cotch has shown his onfield leadership qualities after getting 2 kicks against Collingwood in the first quarter.
Well done Richmond. Well done
#weareonaroadtonowhere
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Selflessness gives Jack leadership chance: Cotchin
AFL.com.au
March 16, 2017
RICHMOND star Jack Riewoldt has given himself a greater chance of re-joining the Tigers' leadership group through his increase in selfless acts and care for younger players, captain Trent Cotchin says.
The Tigers have refused to be rushed into an announcement on their leaders in 2017 but the club has indicated Riewoldt is "a decent chance" to be given an official role for the first time since 2013.
Cotchin, who said he was skipper "until I'm told otherwise" at Captains' Day on Thursday, believed there had been growth in Riewoldt in recent seasons that made him better equipped to be a leader.
"He just wants to win and you want to play with guys who want to win … it's about finding the balance of the way he acts and shows that," Cotchin said.
"He's done a lot of work over the last couple of years, and his selfless acts have increased far greater than what they have been in the past.
"He's a fantastic person and I think we've seen so much growth with what you see on-field and what you see off-field.
"The reality is we all have flaws in the way we lead – me included – and we're working on those all the time."
Richmond is the only club yet to announce its leadership group, one week out from its season-opening clash against Carlton at the MCG on March 23.
New head of football Neil Balme said the club would not set its timetable for an announcement to suit the media's "insatiable appetite for meaningless news".
"We need to spend our time making a good decision," Balme told SEN on Thursday morning.
"We can either rush it and suit you guys (the media) and get it wrong or we can take whatever time it needs and get it right."
Balme said Cotchin was more than likely to lead the Tigers again, while Riewoldt was "a decent chance" of promotion back into the group.
Cotchin said the off-season changes at the club – including the appointment of leadership facilitator Shane McCurry – had contributed to the delay in formulating a new leadership group.
The Tigers have also welcomed Balme as new head of football and new coaches in Justin Leppitsch, Blake Caracella and Xavier Clarke.
McCurry has facilitated the leadership voting process, which Cotchin said was yet to be completed.
"He's been good … he's another new person who's got fresh ideas," the skipper said.
"He'll be a great facilitator, he's got good ideas, and I'm not going to go into too much depth about what he's offering, because it's our stuff."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-16/riewoldts-selflessness-give-him-a-leadership-chance-says-cotchin
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Balme defends Tigers’ leadership delay
Herald Sun
March 16, 2017
NEIL Balme says Richmond will announce its leadership group when the club is ready.
The Tigers football boss also slammed today’s captains’ day as a “waste of time”, which skipper Trent Cotchin attended.
Cotchin is expected to be named captain for a fifth straight season, but with seven days until their season opener against Carlton they are the only club yet to confirm their leaders for 2017.
After Geelong and Collingwood announced their leadership teams this week, Balme said the Tigers would not be rushed into making an announcement.
“We haven’t set our timetable up to suit your (the media’s) insatiable appetite for meaningless news. That’s our problem, obviously,” Balme told SEN radio on Thursday morning.
“I don’t think it is late. What is the timetable? Who has got that? Didn’t Geelong name theirs yesterday (Wednesday night) and Collingwood the day before?
“We need to spend our time making a good decision. We can either rush it and suit you guys and get it wrong or we can take whatever time it needs and get it right. What do you want me to do?”
Balme questioned the relevance of the annual captains’ event.
“We aren’t responsible for the fact the AFL calls the captains’ day, which is the greatest waste of a day in the history of footy I reckon,” he said.
“Wouldn’t they (the captains) be better off down at training?”
Balme said Cotchin was “more than likely” to lead Richmond again this year.
There is also speculation star forward Jack Riewoldt will return to the leadership group after he was dumped in 2014.
Recruit Dion Prestia hinted last month there would be little change to Richmond’s five-man leadership team from 2016, which consisted of Cotchin, Ivan Maric, Alex Rance, Shane Edwards and Brett Deledio, who is now at Greater Western Sydney.
Balme said Riewoldt was a “decent chance” of a leadership promotion.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/neil-balme-defends-richmonds-leadership-delay-slams-captains-day-as-a-waste-of-time/news-story/200c8dab824d2a665d7d05a7ccabc6ae
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Just a question for the wise ones; if the captain and leadership group has already been long determined why are the RFC not announcing it?
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Great move by the club. Jack should never have been taken out.
Edwards gtfo
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Just a question for the wise ones; if the captain and leadership group has already been long determined why are the RFC not announcing it?
Because Cotch hasn't asked Brooke if he is allowed to do it again.
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Just a question for the wise ones; if the captain and leadership group has already been long determined why are the RFC not announcing it?
Because Cotch hasn't asked Brooke if he is allowed to do it again.
Fair enough
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Just a question for the wise ones; if the captain and leadership group has already been long determined why are the RFC not announcing it?
Because Cotch hasn't asked Brooke if he is allowed to do it again.
Fair enough
And he wanted to wait until International Women's Day.
And she wanted a week to think about it
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Just a question for the wise ones; if the captain and leadership group has already been long determined why are the RFC not announcing it?
Because Cotch hasn't asked Brooke if he is allowed to do it again.
Fair enough
And he wanted to wait until International Women's Day.
And she wanted a week to think about it
.and then it wasnt about whether he could or couldnt. It was about Brookes feelings (which may or may not be about whether he could)