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Time ticking on Tiger playmaker: King
By Ben Casanelia
SEN
02/03/2017
Former Richmond assistant coach David King says Tiger playmaker Brandon Ellis has four weeks to prove his worth.
“I actually think after four weeks I’d be surprised if he’s in the best 22,” King told The Run Home.
“He’s got a month of football to show why they should keep picking this guy.
“If he wasn’t a first round selection I doubt he would have been given the opportunities he’s been given over the last 12 months.”
Ellis, drafted with the 15th overall selection in 2011, boasts a career average of 22 disposals and has played at least 21 or more games in each of the past five years since debuting in the opening round of 2012.
But King said it’s not ball winning, but distribution that will define the 23-year-olds’career.
“The game is about making quick decisions and some do it better than others, but he’s got to drastically improve,” he said.
“It’s about impact with the ball in hand, limiting turnovers and limiting putting teammates into bad positions.”
Midway through the final quarter of Richmond’s JLT series victory over Adelaide the Tiger wingman had collected 22 disposals for 120 metres gained. The average gain for that number of possessions is 350-plus.
In 2015 Ellis failed to finish top 10 in the best and fairest, despite averaging 26 disposals and playing all 23 matches. He finished seventh last year after averaging 24 touches from 22 appearances.
“He’s a player that should be stepping into a leadership role and not just being a bits and pieces player,” King said.
Ellis’s current streak of 81 consecutive matches dating back to Rd 12, 2013 leads all players at Richmond.
Richmond plays Port Adelaide on Sunday in Mount Gambier before rounding out its pre-season preparations against Collingwood in Moe.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/03/02/time-ticking-on-tiger-playmaker-king/
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Reading between the lines I'd say Kingy doesn't rate our little blond star.
Seriously though how do you get 22 touches and gain 150m? And that's with our new game style!!
FO Ellis, and take Houli, Hunt, Grigg and Hampson with you.
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Reading between the lines I'd say Kingy doesn't rate our little blond star.
Seriously though how do you get 22 touches and gain 150m? And that's with our new game style!!
FO Ellis, and take Houli, Hunt, Grigg and Hampson with you.
Not a fan of those either.
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I know alot of people think Kingy is dill
But he is spot on here.
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I know alot of people think Kingy is dill
Depends on if they agree with him
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I know alot of people think Kingy is dill
But he is spot on here.
He states the bleeding obvious to alot. Its the deluded fools who are surprised by his comments.
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I know alot of people think Kingy is dill
But he is spot on here.
He states the bleeding obvious to alot. Its the deluded fools who are surprised by his comments.
I am surprised he would give him four weeks.
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I know alot of people think Kingy is dill
But he is spot on here.
He states the bleeding obvious to alot. Its the deluded fools who are surprised by his comments.
I am surprised he would give him four weeks.
:lol
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I don't think he'll ever become anything. Absolutely gutless player, no pride. So soft. All he's good for is running, his possessions are useless.
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I do recall B Ellis was a breakout player way back in the mists of his career.
Poor boy has been infected with Richmonditis.
The only cure is to trade him to Hawthorn.
Seems to have worked for Ty if you believe the media hype.
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Put him in the middle as an inside mid and see how he goes. He'll either stay scared and be just as much of a liability or he may not have time to get scared and get a few meaningful possies as he won't have time to kick 15m backwards
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I do recall B Ellis was a breakout player way back in the mists of his career.
Poor boy has been infected with Tigeritis
The only cure is to trade him to Hawthorn.
Seems to have worked for Ty if you believe the media hype.
EFA
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This kid is one of Dimmas untouchables. Has to be playing to the coaches instructions. Has the attributes to be a good footballer but his career has stalled due to a shambolic game plan .
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This kid is one of Dimmas untouchables. Has to be playing to the coaches instructions. Has the attributes to be a good footballer but his career has stalled due to a shambolic game plan .
Is the game plan responsible for his constant contest shirking?
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This kid is one of Dimmas untouchables. Has to be playing to the coaches instructions. Has the attributes to be a good footballer but his career has stalled due to a shambolic game plan .
Is the game plan reasonable for his constant contest shirking?
He doesn't need to stop shirking contests to be a good player. He needs to use his running ability to get more ball and use it more effectively when he has it.
Using that tank for defensive pressure would also help.
At the moment, all his running and possessing is on the spot.
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This kid is one of Dimmas untouchables. Has to be playing to the coaches instructions. Has the attributes to be a good footballer but his career has stalled due to a shambolic game plan .
Is the game plan reasonable for his constant contest shirking?
He doesn't need to stop shirking contests to be a good player. He needs to use his running ability to get more ball and use it more effectively when he has it.
Using that tank for defensive pressure would also help.
At the moment, all his running and possessing is on the spot.
Agreed. My point was that it's a cop out to blame his failings entirely on the game plan.
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Too many over the shoulder kick to no one disposals, doesn't seem to break the lines like he once did. With the seemingly new game plan and mandate to move the ball quicker and take risks then surely if he is ever going to show his full potential then it must be now.
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7m gained per disposal is effectively like playing with 17 on the field.
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7m gained per disposal is effectively like playing with 17 on the field.
Add in Houli and hampson and you are down to 15
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7m gained per disposal is effectively like playing with 17 on the field.
Add in Houli and hampson and you are down to 15
At least Rance brings us up to 16 :clapping
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7m gained per disposal is effectively like playing with 17 on the field.
If you kick it backwards is that a negative number?
eg
kick 1 fwd 20m Aggregate 20
kick 2 fwd 15m Aggregate 35
kick 3 back 5m Aggregate 30??
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7m gained per disposal is effectively like playing with 17 on the field.
Add in Houli and hampson and you are down to 15
At least Rance brings us up to 16 :clapping
Batch out and we are down to 14.
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7m gained per disposal is effectively like playing with 17 on the field.
Add in Houli and hampson and you are down to 15
At least Rance brings us up to 16 :clapping
Batch out and we are down to 14.
We are going to lose arent we :-\
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how long has david king had to prove himself? why isn't he in the ressies in the media yet??
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7m gained per disposal is effectively like playing with 17 on the field.
If you kick it backwards is that a negative number?
eg
kick 1 fwd 20m Aggregate 20
kick 2 fwd 15m Aggregate 35
kick 3 back 5m Aggregate 30??
Correct Minty. It's the metres gained towards goal. It includes handballs, kicks and interestingly running with the ball in possession (although they may have excluded the latter from Brandon's stat to make a point). A backwards hand pass, kick or running with the ball away from your goals (even at a slight angle away) is minus metres.
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Brandon talking about his new role ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-03-06/jlt-2-ellis-on-his-new-role
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3 weeks to go
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7m gained per disposal is effectively like playing with 17 on the field.
If you kick it backwards is that a negative number?
eg
kick 1 fwd 20m Aggregate 20
kick 2 fwd 15m Aggregate 35
kick 3 back 5m Aggregate 30??
Correct Minty. It's the metres gained towards goal. It includes handballs, kicks and interestingly running with the ball in possession (although they may have excluded the latter from Brandon's stat to make a point). A backwards hand pass, kick or running with the ball away from your goals (even at a slight angle away) is minus metres.
Thanks Dookie
As a mention to how long he has to prove himself I think his time has run out.
For mine he is OUT
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Dimma favorite. Will not be dropped.
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Too many over the shoulder kick to no one disposals, doesn't seem to break the lines like he once did. With the seemingly new game plan and mandate to move the ball quicker and take risks then surely if he is ever going to show his full potential then it must be now.
Unfortunately as many before him have shown, he has already shown his full potential and that basically got him drafted and now he is showing where his full potential sits in the grand scheme of AFL football...mediocre bit player who is being shuffled around into roles in the hope something suits him, in a desperate bid to once again justify another drafting stuff up by the guru Hackson
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Dimma favorite. Will not be dropped.
185metres gained from 20 odd touches. Doesn't translate well.
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Interesting to see if Houli plays this weekend and plays well
Back 7 prospects at this stage
Rance, Astbury , Grimes , McIntosh .lock ins
Markov, B.Ellis , T.Hunt .Houli .Conca
2 will miss Round 1
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Interesting to see if Houli plays this weekend and plays well
Back 7 prospects at this stage
Rance, Astbury , Grimes , McIntosh .lock ins
Markov, B.Ellis , T.Hunt .Houli .Conca
2 will miss Round 1
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Please let it be three of that group miss. Hunt, Ellis and Conca were probably respond able for 60 percent of the turnovers Yesterday.
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Interesting to see if Houli plays this weekend and plays well
Back 7 prospects at this stage
Rance, Astbury , Grimes , McIntosh .lock ins
Markov, B.Ellis , T.Hunt .Houli .Conca
2 will miss Round 1
You forgot Batch is a lock
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4 weeks and off to the ressies??
He's has 4 years FFS.
Unless he is hiding something, which i doubt, he should be off to the knackery.
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It's 2.5 weeks now
He should also get time deduction for the Port game where he pooted his pants on a number of occasions
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7m gained per disposal is effectively like playing with 17 on the field.
Add in Houli and hampson and you are down to 15
At least Rance brings us up to 16 :clapping
Batch out and we are down to 14.
How many is a forfeit?
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7m gained per disposal is effectively like playing with 17 on the field.
Add in Houli and hampson and you are down to 15
At least Rance brings us up to 16 :clapping
Batch out and we are down to 14.
How many is a forfeit?
For Hardwick - 18
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I think he proved on Sunday with his stand back and watch rather attacking the contest that there is in fact nothing to prove
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I'd rather Hunt in the side over Bellis. :shh
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I'd rather Hunt in the side over Bellis. :shh
I'd rather have neither.... :shh
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I think he proved on Sunday with his stand back and watch rather attacking the contest that there is in fact nothing to prove
Yep, however I noticed he was listed in the bests in all the reports I read and heard marko on SEN saying "I didnt see the game, but 26 possies Im guessing he had a pretty good one" ::) He continues to get away with it, Im glad that finally someone in the media called him out on it, hopefully it gathers momentum as the season progresses to put pressure on our coaching staff bc we all know he wont be dropped no matter what
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I think he proved on Sunday with his stand back and watch rather attacking the contest that there is in fact nothing to prove
Yep, however I noticed he was listed in the bests in all the reports I read and heard marko on SEN saying "I didn't see the game, but 26 possies Im guessing he had a pretty good one" ::) He continues to get away with it, Im glad that finally someone in the media called him out on it, hopefully it gathers momentum as the season progresses to put pressure on our coaching staff bc we all know he wont be dropped no matter what
Those 26 posies were punctuated with 15 metre backward kicks that lead to nothing, kicks to himself when kicking out, kicking to the opposition, kicking to a 50/50 resulting in a turnover when hand-balling was the correct option to take, hand-balling to a team mate under immense pressure resulting in a turn over and it goes on. Rather see Menadue in his position.
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Ellis struts round like a raging mongrel but as soon as their is contested ball, he wilts like he walked in on a naked Amanda Vandstone (wearing a hat)
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He's had four years.
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maybe going down the wrong path here but i still can not work out why Castagna has not been played in defense this yr. He is exactly what we are missing when it comes to small defenders.
Lots of pace defends a player and is not afraid to take the game on. Plyed a couple of cracking games one against the dogs but had one bad game against hawks and never seen again
Personally id like to see a backline of
Grimes - Astbury - Castagna
Markov - Rance - McIntosh
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Ellis struts round like a raging mongrel but as soon as their is contested ball, he wilts like he walked in on a naked Amanda Vandstone (wearing a hat)
:lol
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Ellis struts round like a raging mongrel but as soon as their is contested ball, he wilts like he walked in on a naked Amanda Vandstone (wearing a hat)
Hope that hat is low hanging and wide brimmed
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Ellis struts round like a raging mongrel but as soon as their is contested ball, he wilts like he walked in on a naked Amanda Vandstone (wearing a hat)
Hope that hat is low hanging and wide brimmed
I'd wear her as a hat
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Dud.
Delist.
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darn it, I misspelled 'there'
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darn it, I misspelled 'there'
Reported
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2 weeks to go
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Actually happy with his game this week. By no means starred but didn't poo me like usual
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Actually happy with his game this week. By no means starred but didn't poo me like usual
agreed, I actually saw him kick it fwd long on multiple occassions :o :gobdrop and looked to be cracking in hard
hopefully the penny has dropped
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Actually happy with his game this week. By no means starred but didn't poo me like usual
Yep, went back with the flight quite bravely at one stage too.
Let's see what he dishes up this week.
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Actually happy with his game this week. By no means starred but didn't poo me like usual
Yep, went back with the flight quite bravely at one stage too.
Let's see what he dishes up this week.
Noticed this and was surprised/impressed.
More of the same please.
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Ellis has always been far more courageous in the air than he is at ground level, hardly surprising....yes the other night was a better effort than usual but he still had a couple of panicky, squibby moments....highly unlikely that will ever change now...
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Was going to say the same Dio re: courageous marking. For a squibby dude for some reason he doesn't shirk many going back with the flight