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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 20, 2017, 06:33:24 PM
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In: Bolton, Markov, C. Ellis
No outs yet.
Source: RFC twitter
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The Round 18 Richmond Squad
B: Rance, Astbury, Grimes
HB: Short, Vlastuin, B. Ellis
C: Prestia, Edwards, Cotchin
HF: Martin, Rioli, Castagna
F: Riewoldt, Lambert, Butler
R: Nankervis, Grigg, Caddy
IC from: Miles, McIntosh, Broad, Soldo, Bolton, Markov, C. Ellis
The Tigers will finalise their line-up tomorrow (Friday) afternoon.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-07-20/round-18-squad-announcement
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GWS team for those interested:
FB: Heath Shaw, Nick Haynes, Adam Tomlinson
HB: Aidan Corr, Phil Davis, Lachie Whitfield
C: Harry Perryman, Dylan Shiel, Nathan Wilson
HF: Callan Ward, Toby Greene, Devon Smith
FF: Jonny Patton, Rory Lobb, Tom Scully
RR: Shane Mumford, Matt Kennedy, Zac Williams
Int (from): Steve Johnson, Will Setterfield, Josh Kelly, Stephen Coniglio, Matt de Boer, Tendai Mzungu, Isaac Cumming
In: Stephen Coniglio, Will Setterfield, Isaac Cumming
Out: -
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2017-07-20/three-added-for-tigers-clash
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We need to regain the manic pressure game style that got us 5 straight wins early in the season.
We seemed to have lost that excitement of just going out and taking the game on. Our scoring has dried up and we seem to be more cautious now with the footy.
The only way we are going to make a dent in this competition is if we throw everything to the wind.
I don't think anyone on here would care if we're just weren't good enough if we played that "tackle at all costs" game style.
The Doggies stole one last year with just pure heart and want, if we can recapture some of our early form, who knows how far we could go.
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Never happen with Dumma in charge.
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We need to regain the manic pressure game style that got us 5 straight wins early in the season.
We seemed to have lost that excitement of just going out and taking the game on. Our scoring has dried up and we seem to be more cautious now with the footy.
The only way we are going to make a dent in this competition is if we throw everything to the wind.
I don't think anyone on here would care if we're just weren't good enough if we played that "tackle at all costs" game style.
The Doggies stole one last year with just pure heart and want, if we can recapture some of our early form, who knows how far we could go.
I agree we have lost that manic pressure that was so impressive early in the season .
Perhaps with our young team it was too much to expect them to execute it all year .
Last week was reminiscent of a 2016 victory.
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The Tigers are set to take two ruckman into Sunday's clash against GWS pair Shane Mumford and Rory Lobb, with rookie big man Ivan Soldo selected as support for Tiger Toby Nankervis.
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-21/prestia-primed-stuff)
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Round 18 Sunday teams finalised: Richmond v GWS Giants
I/change: Rioli, Caddy, Miles, Broad.
Emergencies; Bolton, Markov, C Ellis.
Unchanged
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
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How the f does Bolton not get a game?
Cantstandya, Caddy and Rioli are protected species
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The Round 18 Richmond Team
B: Rance, Astbury, Grimes
HB: Short, Vlastuin, B. Ellis
C: Prestia, Edwards, Cotchin
HF: Martin, Rioli, Castagna
F: Riewoldt, Lambert, Butler
R: Nankervis, Grigg, Caddy
IC: Miles, McIntosh, Broad, Soldo
Em: Bolton, Markov, C. Ellis
No change
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-07-21/round-18-team-announcement
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Bolton should be in this week. Few blokes getting a game on reputation.
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...as has been the case for the past 8 years... :shh
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Josh Caddy. It's time for you to stand up and be counted.
Minimum 3 goals Sunday
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Of course theres no changes hardwick is happy with the garbage they dished up against the bottom team.
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can the selection team be proactive for once? Everytime the team wins even if it is a struggle or in poor fashion it is "no changes." The amount of times where we have lost games purely because of selection. Morris against Adelaide, not taking in Miles to at least make it hard for John Kennedy in the stoppages, and let's not forget Taylor Hunt against the Saints.
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We need to regain the manic pressure game style that got us 5 straight wins early in the season.
We seemed to have lost that excitement of just going out and taking the game on. Our scoring has dried up and we seem to be more cautious now with the footy.
The only way we are going to make a dent in this competition is if we throw everything to the wind.
I don't think anyone on here would care if we're just weren't good enough if we played that "tackle at all costs" game style.
The Doggies stole one last year with just pure heart and want, if we can recapture some of our early form, who knows how far we could go.
Totally agree we haven't seen that hard tackling and spread and speed last couple of games as mentioned I'm seeing signs we a reverting back to 2016 over use of ball etc.Played our best football this season with new game plan.
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Josh Caddy. It's time for you to stand up and be counted.
Minimum 3 goals Sunday
This
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We are a pathetic football club with this idiot in charge. Seriously!
That game was putrid last week and our twos were very good and yet no change.
Does anyone really thick Caracella says "yer, I'm for no change after last week"
Just my opinion but I think Hardwick is slowly starting not to listen to others like previous years.
Thoughts?
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Well if it isn't the truth just crap on enough about until you believe it is
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When we played new players, when we play with manic pressure, when we tackle hard and have high tackle numbers, when we give the youngsters a go, when Houli isn't playing, when our forward entries are direct and to the corridor, we win.
When we see the team play dinky sideways uninteresting boring backwards keeping off footy, when we see the same hacks play crap and continue to get games, when we see indirect and forward entries are into the pockets, we lose.
When we see the team do everything different from previous seasons we win.
When we see the team do the same thing from previous seasons we lose.
If Hardwicks coaching tenure has shown us anything it's shown us that he either likes to lose or even worse he is completely delusional in thinking that after 8 years of crap he still believes that his coaching philosophies are the blueprint of success he promised us when he first started. :rollin
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Surely, there had to be a change(s) after such a poor quality game vs Brisbane despite the win. Bolton is extremely unlucky :huh3.
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Surely, there had to be a change(s) after such a poor quality game vs Brisbane despite the win. Bolton is extremely unlucky :huh3.
Totally agree what about Menadue one bad game like the rest of team against saints and gets dropped, yet so many other players get chance after chance.The kid was coming along nice.Really bad example to set such a bad performance against lions not one change bewildering and so many players in form at vfl.
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You can bet your life Dimma pulled rank with no changes. Has his grubby little fingerprints all over this.
If Bolton played and a few out of form players were replaced wed be a 3-4 goal better side tomorrow.
Kids, we may have lost the game at the selection table. :-[
Stunning decision. :huh
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Agreed.
Imagine if we had Morro and Hunt back for our must win 12 pointer ;D
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LOL at its all down to Hardwick. FFS they changed the entire coaching panel around Hardwick and people think they have no input.
Cmon people stop looking for the scape goat and for once have a look at the collective.
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LOL at its all down to Hardwick. FFS they changed the entire coaching panel around Hardwick and people think they have no input.
Cmon people stop looking for the scape goat and for once have a look at the collective.
On the contrary, despite years of poor selections what's the constant within the collective? Hardwick. Anyone else?
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LOL at its all down to Hardwick. FFS they changed the entire coaching panel around Hardwick and people think they have no input.
Cmon people stop looking for the scape goat and for once have a look at the collective.
Yes, it is and to suggest that all responsibility for game day decisions doesn't ultimately end with the senior coach is to radically change the role of a senior coach. Even Hardwick (as dumb as he is) would agree that the buck stops with him in relation to all game day decisions because that's his job regardless of the input others may have.
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LOL at its all down to Hardwick. FFS they changed the entire coaching panel around Hardwick and people think they have no input.
Cmon people stop looking for the scape goat and for once have a look at the collective.
Yes, it is and to suggest that all responsibility for game day decisions doesn't ultimately end with the senior coach is to radically change the role of a senior coach. Even Hardwick (as dumb as he is) would agree that the buck stops with him in relation to all game day decisions because that's his job regardless of the input others may have.
Didn't seem to be his job last year because they sacked all the assistants.... :shh
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The didn't have pay out a million bucks to any of the assistants... :shh :shh
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Would have made 5 changes
Bolton, Moore, Elton, Markov and Lennon.
B/ Grimes - Astbury - Short
HB/ Vlastuin - Rance - Markov
C/ McIntosh - Martin - Lambert
HF/ Butler - Riewoldt - Lennon
F/ Castagna - Moore - Bolton
R/ Nankervis - Cotchin - Miles
INT/ Prestia - Caddy - Elton - Grigg - Edwards - Ellis.
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So the assistents are having no input and Hardwick just over rides them anyway. What a crock of poo.
They are a collective and are all responsible
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Miles out C Ellis in
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Injured?
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Coach's call.
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So the assistents are having no input and Hardwick just over rides them anyway. What a crock of poo.
They are a collective and are all responsible
CAN YOU READ?
I said the buck stops with him regardless of who has input.
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Miles out out C Ellis in
So...hard contested ball winner out, soft outside player in....smart move.... :clapping
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Miles out out C Ellis in
So...hard contested ball winner out, soft outside player in....smart move.... :clapping
I was tipping a win this week but not anymore.
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Miles out out C Ellis in
So...hard contested ball winner out, soft outside player in....smart move.... :clapping
minor medial ligament strain on right knee
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Miles out out C Ellis in
So...hard contested ball winner out, soft outside player in....smart move.... :clapping
minor medial ligament strain on right knee
If you believe the club.
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-07-22/round-18-team-announcement
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-07-22/round-18-team-announcement
Relevance?
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-07-22/round-18-team-announcement
Relevance?
Official news I would have thought.
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Miles out out C Ellis in
So...hard contested ball winner out, soft outside player in....smart move.... :clapping
minor medial ligament strain on right knee
Not questioning the reason.....but maybe a like for like replacement like Townsend would've been more suitable...
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Caddy will no doubt spend more time in the guts, maybe CEllis to float around forward 50, would at least be a better kick than most.
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Well...that's a relief.....
:help
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I wouldn't be too harsh on Cellis. No preseasons yet and has thus missed out on gaining fitness and strength as well as the mental confidence that gives you.
Give the guy a chance. I think he'll be very good once he gets those important things under his belt.
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Well it'd great if he somehow manages to get a full pre-season under his belt within the next 22 hours...
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Wasn't talking about his selection. Just about the personal jibes at him.
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Criticism of a player's game are not "personal jibes"....
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Calling a player soft is personal I would have thought. It definitely doesn't come into the "can't kick", can't take a grab", "can't run" type football criticism.
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Calling a player soft is personal I would have thought. It definitely doesn't come into the "can't kick", can't take a grab", "can't run" type football criticism.
He is soft.... but at least he has good character, and that's very important.
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Calling a player soft is personal I would have thought. It definitely doesn't come into the "can't kick", can't take a grab", "can't run" type football criticism.
He is soft.... but at least he has good character, and that's very important.
I think that when he gets confidence in his body, this "softness" will disappear.
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Few teams loosing on top of us chance for us to take advantage watch us screw it up as usual when pressure is on.
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Calling a player soft is personal I would have thought. It definitely doesn't come into the "can't kick", can't take a grab", "can't run" type football criticism.
He is soft.... but at least he has good character, and that's very important.
I think that when he gets confidence in his body, this "softness" will disappear.
Do you think not doing a pre-season is excuse enough for playing soft? Because you obviously think he is soft or you wouldn't make that excuse about not completing a preseason.
See I could understand if he couldn't run out games or his skills dropped off the longer games went on, but being soft, there is no excuse for it. It's not hard to put your head over the pill and have a crack especially after being as gifted as he is.
We as a club do seem to pick them out it has to be said.
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When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.
I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.
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When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.
I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.
Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.
Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered) to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.
Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.
And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.
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When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.
I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.
Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.
Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered) to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.
Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.
And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.
Lol.
Poor comparison. In juniors you are putting your body up against other juniors. In the AFL he is putting his body up against mature men. Do you think people act by human nature or contemplate basic scientific force and motion and sports science 101 instinctually? LMAO.
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Wasn't soft at Frankston last Saturday i can tell ya!
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When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.
I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.
Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.
Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered) to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.
Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.
And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.
Lol.
Poor comparison. In juniors you are putting your body up against other juniors. In the AFL he is putting his body up against mature men. Do you think people act by human nature or contemplate basic scientific force and motion and sports science 101 instinctually? LMAO.
Haha sure thing.
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When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.
I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.
Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.
Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered) to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.
Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.
And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.
Lol.
Poor comparison. In juniors you are putting your body up against other juniors. In the AFL he is putting his body up against mature men. Do you think people act by human nature or contemplate basic scientific force and motion and sports science 101 instinctually? LMAO.
Doc, half our team are kids and half the players from other clubs are kids...
There are kids smaller, slighter built and less talented putting there careers and body on the line every time they run out like CEllis. He needs to lift in a big way.
I've said this before, my mate coached him at TAC Cup level and thinks he is a gun, and I really respect this guys opinion but it's time this kid showed why he was a first round pick and why he was so highly rated.
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Soft is soft.
Injuries, weight etc is just an excuse
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When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.
I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.
Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.
Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered) to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.
Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.
And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.
Lol.
Poor comparison. In juniors you are putting your body up against other juniors. In the AFL he is putting his body up against mature men. Do you think people act by human nature or contemplate basic scientific force and motion and sports science 101 instinctually? LMAO.
Doc, half our team are kids and half the players from other clubs are kids...
There are kids smaller, slighter built and less talented putting there careers and body on the line every time they run out like CEllis. He needs to lift in a big way.
I've said this before, my mate coached him at TAC Cup level and thinks he is a gun, and I really respect this guys opinion but it's time this kid showed why he was a first round pick and why he was so highly rated.
I can still remember his first game for us. He was not soft in that. If he was a soft type, he'd always be soft. That gives me encouragement. I really feel like all his injuries have sapped him of confidence. Once he gets that mental side right, I too think he'll be a very good player. He does have a laser guided left foot.
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When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.
I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.
Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.
Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered) to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.
Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.
And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.
Lol.
Poor comparison. In juniors you are putting your body up against other juniors. In the AFL he is putting his body up against mature men. Do you think people act by human nature or contemplate basic scientific force and motion and sports science 101 instinctually? LMAO.
Doc, half our team are kids and half the players from other clubs are kids...
There are kids smaller, slighter built and less talented putting there careers and body on the line every time they run out like CEllis. He needs to lift in a big way.
I've said this before, my mate coached him at TAC Cup level and thinks he is a gun, and I really respect this guys opinion but it's time this kid showed why he was a first round pick and why he was so highly rated.
I can still remember his first game for us. He was not soft in that. If he was a soft type, he'd always be soft. That gives me encouragement. I really feel like all his injuries have sapped him of confidence. Once he gets that mental side right, I too think he'll be a very good player. He does have a laser guided left foot.
How long do you give him before you wipe him like a dirty arse?
I'm not there yet but from experience, if they are soft early, they continue to be soft. BEllis say hi! And I called that early.
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Soft is soft.
Injuries, weight etc is just an excuse
I like the kid but it's becoming harder and harder.
Let's be honest though, he will get a minimum of 6 years before a line is through his name.
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Our Danny Meyer of the 2010's.
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Is it going to rain today?
Maybe a late change - Soldo for Bolton
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Is Andrew Gaff from the Eagles soft?
He plays an outside role and rarely goes in hard ay any contest. Would people call him soft?
I think Cellis' role may be something similar to that. But at the sometime i reckon when you have to go in gard for a ball you have to do it no matter what your designated role is
I think Cellis can be a very good player but his last AFL game was poor in the hardness at the contest part of the game.
That's one of the reasons he got sent back to the VFL to work on it. Hopefully he's done that we see it today. But I would also hope people give a chance and watch today with the blinkers off. Thats what I'll be doing
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Is Andrew Gaff from the Eagles soft?
He plays an outside role and rarely goes in hard ay any contest. Would people call him soft?
I think Cellis' role may be something similar to that. But at the sometime i reckon when you have to go in gard for a ball you have to do it no matter what your designated role is
I think Cellis can be a very good player but his last AFL game was poor in the hardness at the contest part of the game.
That's one of the reasons he got sent back to the VFL to work on it. Hopefully he's done that we see it today. But I would also hope people give a chance and watch today with the blinkers off. Thats what I'll be doing
I don't think blinkers come into it when it comes to having a real crack. You either do or you don't.
To answer your first question about Gaff, I'd say some players can get away with being a bit soft if they excel in another area and Andrew excels in getting the pill and using it extremely well. It's a decent example though.
The problem we have is we have too many soft pathetic footballers and you cannot hide/carry more than one in your side. But as I said, that one has to excel in another area.
I hope CEllis turns into a superstar because apart from our current A graders, there isn't really anyone standing up to be our next potential A grader.
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Is it going to rain today?
Maybe a late change - Soldo for Bolton
Bolton is playing in the reserves.
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Remember when Gaff for Conca was being talked about. Those were the days
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I'm hearing that half our team had the flu this week. Quarantine and all.
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Remember when Gaff for Conca was being talked about. Those were the days
Pepperidge farm remembers
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I just don't rate C Ellis. I don't doubt he has some class and is an elite kick of the football but I'm am bitterly disappointed in the lack of phusical development in his body, he still has the legs of a female tennis player. Apparently his groin hampered him over preseason and parts of last year, he should have smashed the gym over the summer to get bigger whilst he couldn't run. I've also seen him take short steps 3 times in one game, I've never seen any other player ever do that. He is slow, weak bodied and non aggressive, I've made my call on him early this season after having doubts last year - dud delist and very lucky to get a game. Should've been Markov