Official round 18 team vs Giants - Unchanged [update]

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I wouldn't be too harsh on Cellis. No preseasons yet and has thus missed out on gaining fitness and strength as well as the mental confidence that gives you.

Give the guy a chance. I think he'll be very good once he gets those important things under his belt.

[Diocletian]

Well it'd great if he somehow manages to get a full pre-season under his belt within the next 22 hours...

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Wasn't talking about his selection. Just about the personal jibes at him.

[Diocletian]

Criticism of a player's game are not "personal jibes"....

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Calling a player soft is personal I would have thought. It definitely doesn't come into the "can't kick", can't take a grab", "can't run" type football criticism.

[big tone]

Calling a player soft is personal I would have thought. It definitely doesn't come into the "can't kick", can't take a grab", "can't run" type football criticism.

He is soft.... but at least he has good character, and that's very important.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Calling a player soft is personal I would have thought. It definitely doesn't come into the "can't kick", can't take a grab", "can't run" type football criticism.

He is soft.... but at least he has good character, and that's very important.

I think that when he gets confidence in his body, this "softness" will disappear.

[georgies31]

Few teams loosing on top of us chance for us to take advantage watch us screw it up as usual when pressure is on.

[big tone]

Calling a player soft is personal I would have thought. It definitely doesn't come into the "can't kick", can't take a grab", "can't run" type football criticism.

He is soft.... but at least he has good character, and that's very important.

I think that when he gets confidence in his body, this "softness" will disappear.

Do you think not doing a pre-season is excuse enough for playing soft? Because you obviously think he is soft or you wouldn't make that excuse about not completing a preseason.
See I could understand if he couldn't run out games or his skills dropped off the longer games went on, but being soft, there is no excuse for it. It's not hard to put your head over the pill and have a crack especially after being as gifted as he is.
We as a club do seem to pick them out it has to be said.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.

I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.

[🏅Dooks]

When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.

I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.

Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.

Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered)  to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.

Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.

And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.

I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.

Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.

Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered)  to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.

Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.

And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.

Lol.

Poor comparison. In juniors you are putting your body up against other juniors. In the AFL he is putting his body up against mature men. Do you think people act by human nature or contemplate basic scientific force and motion and sports science 101 instinctually? LMAO.

[The Machine]

Wasn't soft at Frankston last Saturday i can tell ya!

[🏅Dooks]

When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.

I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.

Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.

Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered)  to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.

Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.

And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.

Lol.

Poor comparison. In juniors you are putting your body up against other juniors. In the AFL he is putting his body up against mature men. Do you think people act by human nature or contemplate basic scientific force and motion and sports science 101 instinctually? LMAO.

Haha sure thing.

[big tone]

When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.

I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.

Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.

Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered)  to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.

Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.

And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.

Lol.

Poor comparison. In juniors you are putting your body up against other juniors. In the AFL he is putting his body up against mature men. Do you think people act by human nature or contemplate basic scientific force and motion and sports science 101 instinctually? LMAO.

Doc, half our team are kids and half the players from other clubs are kids...
There are kids smaller, slighter built and less talented putting there careers and body on the line every time they run out like CEllis. He needs to lift in a big way.

I've said this before, my mate coached him at TAC Cup level and thinks he is a gun, and I really respect this guys opinion but it's time this kid showed why he was a first round pick and why he was so highly rated.