One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Diocletian on August 26, 2019, 01:33:19 PM
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-west-coast-dominate-allaustralian-squad-but-bombers-miss-out-altogether/news-story/3090ddb97d6fde61950fad94d1796090
Can take or leave individual honours - we all know only one medal in this game really counts - but Vlastuin absolutely shafted... Shank & Lynch unlucky... :shh
..on the bright side - no Bumblers... :shh :shh
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Agreed, Floss robbed, Shed and Lynch stiff.
Lynch probably needed to do a bit more the last few weeks.
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I rekn lynch has been absolutely shafted with vlastuin and Edwards unlucky.
The man kicked the third most goals in the competition, you would think he would be in the squad before narrowly missing out on the final team.
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Soldo stiff... :shh
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Soldo stiff... :shh
Keep your private life to yourself please... :shh
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The only award we should be interested in is the premiership medallion.
By next season we will have forgotten who was all Australian but we will not forget who won the premiership.
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The All Australian squad for 2019
AFL.com.au
Marc McGowan
Aug 26, 2019
Richmond
Bachar Houli
19 games in 2019.
539 disposals. 318 kicks, 120 marks, 221 handballs averaging 28.4 disposals, 16.7 kicks, 6.3 marks, 11.6 handballs. 1 Goal. 59 Inside 50m, 91 Rebound 50m. 49 tackles.
Dylan Grimes
21 games in 2019.
275 disposals. 148 kicks, 107 marks, 127 handballs averaging 13.1 disposals, 7 kicks, 5.1 marks, 6 handballs. 15 Inside 50m, 58 Rebound 50m. 45 tackles.
Dustin Martin
All Australian 2016, 2017, 2018.
20 games in 2019.
542 disposals. 339 kicks, 85 marks, 20 goals, 203 handballs averaging 27.1 disposals, 17 kicks, 4.3 marks, 10.2 handballs. 119 Inside 50m, 11 Rebound 50m. 51 tackles.
Dion Prestia
22 games in 2019.
604 disposals. 333 kicks, 78 marks, 271 handballs averaging 27.5 disposals, 15.1 kicks, 3.5 marks, 12.3 handballs. 106 Inside 50m, 50 Rebound 50m. 105 tackles.
Adelaide - Daniel Talia.
Brisbane - Harris Andrews, Charlie Cameron, Hugh McCluggage, Lachie Neale, Dayne Zorko.
Carlton - Patrick Cripps.
Collingwood - Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Adam Treloar.
Fremantle - Nat Fyfe, Michael Walters
Geelong - Gary Ablett, Mark Blicavs, Patrick Dangerfield, Tom Hawkins, Tim Kelly, Tom Stewart.
GWS Gaints - Jeremy Cameron, Nick Haynes.
Hawthorn - James Sicily.
Melbourne - Max Gawn.
North Melb. - Ben Brown, Ben Cunnington.
Port Adel. Travis Boak.
Sydney - Dane Rampe.
West Coast - Jack Darling, Andrew Gaff, Shannon Hurn, Jeremy McGovern, Brad Sheppard, Luke Shuey, Elliot Yeo.
Western Bulldogs - Marcus Bontempelli, Josh Dunkley, Jack Macrae.
No one from Essendon, Gold Coast or St Kilda.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-26/revealed-the-all-australian-squad-for-2019
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Cunnington and Hawkins. Ablett and Blicavs?
What was the selection panel smoking?
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Ablett will get in too.... :shh
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Hawkins should be in the squad
A few week ago he was right up in the Coleman and at that stage led the league in goal assists
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Hawkins is a flat track bully (so is Cameron :shh) and his second half of the season was ordinary... :shh
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Hawkins is a flat track bully (so is Cameron :shh) and his second half of the season was ordinary... :shh
X2 on Hawkins
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I do like Hawkins as a player but lynch was robbed to not be in the squad of 40. 3rd in the Coleman and trying to make the most of our rubbish i50 entries in the first half of the season
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I do like Hawkins as a player but lynch was robbed to not be in the squad of 40. 3rd in the Coleman and trying to make the most of our rubbish i50 entries in the first half of the season
Is Matthew Lloyd a selector this year again?
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AFL.com.au has taken a look at the numbers to figure out why the selectors may have made some of their tougher calls.
Who made it: Ben Brown (North Melbourne)
Who could have: Tom Lynch (Richmond)
Both played 22 games, so a comparison is pretty straightforward. Brown had more goals (64-54), disposals (244-226), contested possessions (145-137), marks (108-103), score involvements (141-138) and tackles in forward 50 (21-19). Lynch had the edge in goal assists (13-4), contested marks (47-35), marks inside 50 (66-62), forward-50 groundball-gets (38-32) and tackles (35-25). It's a close call but it's hard to argue with the selectors on this one.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-26/all-australian-squad-who-was-unlucky-to-miss-out
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Given that Lynch was playing on one foot until the bye and sideshow Bob Brown was appropriately criticised for basically diving and getting cheap frees in front of goal I think it's a no brainier.
Lynch by the length of Flemington. Genuine power forward with presence.
Most of the stats in Brown's favour are less damaging or hardly favourable. Goal assists (13 to 4) and contested marks, gound ball vets, tackles etc are more important to me and all suggest Lynch is superior.
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Reckon only houli and grimes are in based on not seeing dusty or Prestia there.
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Houli's year really hasn't been much different to other years, disposal count has been padded by kickouts. Playing at a very similar to the norm, which is a pretty good standard most of the time.
But stuff me. This side is a chook raffle.
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This is overstated so much.
1. He doesn’t take all of the kick outs. I’d say vlas and short take just as many as him.
2. As has always been the case it only counts as a disposal if u play on from the kick out which granted has become easier with the new rules.
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Fancy not having Dusty in the side....
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Grimesy back pocket :thumbsup
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He takes 60% at bare minimum. Last year he, Ellis, Short and every so often Vlastuin took them. It has easily increased his disposal count. That's not knocking him, it's just true.
In a world where a lot of people look at the disposal count at the end of the day and stuff all else...it hasn't surprised me to see so many say he's lifted his game to a new level. I personally don't think he has. Again, not a knock on the guy. He's a good player and very important, I just reckon it goes to show how bad people in the media are when it comes to analysis when it has become glaringly obvious half of the peanuts are going off stats.
Big D.Grimes is a case of a guy who has been done over by media, AA selectors and everyone outside of Richmond because he's not a finessed accumlator like some of the dudes who have been multiple AA reps. He's been a gun for well over 5 years and only now has he even been nominated for the squad - it is ridic
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Fancy not having Dusty in the side....
Yeah, how the stuff does that work? Granted he was pretty ordinary at times this year but the football he's played in the last few months is head and shoulders above anyone else in the comp
Grimesy back pocket :thumbsup
:bow about time
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Fancy not having Dusty in the side....
They haven't finished the team yet have they?
You don't think he makes Ruck rover or on the bench?
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Bachar half back stuff :thumbsup
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Fancy not having Dusty in the side....
They haven't finished the team yet have they?
You don't think he makes Ruck rover or on the bench?
Only interchange left. Hasn’t been seen at the venue so very unlikely.
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Well done Bachar?
BT any comments?
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2019 All Australian Team -
Full Back: Stewart, Andrews, Grimes
Half Back: Houli, McGovern, Hurn (vc)
Midfield: Bontempelli, Cripps, Kelly
Half Forward: Dangerfield, J.Cameron, Walters
Full Forward: Darling, Hawkins, C.Cameron
Ruck: Grundy, Fyfe (c), Neale
Interchange: Pendlebury, Yeo, Gawn, Macrae
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Surely dusty over darling
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Thank god Ablett didn't get in.
Hawkins shouldn't be in, was McGovern even that good this year?
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Well done Bachar?
BT any comments?
That side is laughable!
I thought the year Bellis was in the 40 man squad was a joke, this certainly beats that by a long long way.
Just goes to show the “judges” don’t watch all the games and go off stats sheets for judgment.
How does a guy who basically plays opponents off a ski rope make the AA team as a defender.
What I do know is if they played a game against someone Houli would definitely do the kick ins and his opponent would have a field day.
Imagine Houli playing on the HFF of the side in Danderfield or Walters??... Wowee!!
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Thank god Ablett didn't get in.
Hawkins shouldn't be in, was McGovern even that good this year?
I totally agree on all points
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Hawkins lol that fat ass beefcake MF. What a joke.
Should make my own AA side but exclude every player in this team. Could give it a run for it's money.
Well done Grimes and Houli.
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Well done Bachar?
BT any comments?
That side is laughable!
I thought the year Bellis was in the 40 man squad was a joke, this certainly beats that by a long long way.
Just goes to show the “judges” don’t watch all the games and go off stats sheets for judgment.
How does a guy who basically plays opponents off a ski rope make the AA team as a defender.
What I do know is if they played a game against someone Houli would definitely do the kick ins and his opponent would have a field day.
Imagine Houli playing on the HFF of the side in Danderfield or Walters??... Wowee!!
What’s laughable is that the all Australian side has just been named and with 2 players from Richmond making it and instead of feeling pride that 2 players from the club you support earning a spot you go on a rant about why 1 doesn’t deserve to be there.
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Criteria/rules really do need to be changed - either make it strictly best in each position, like it should be, or do away with the whole "team" concept and just name the 22 best players of the year in alphabetical order..... :shh
Hawkins ahead of Lynch and even Brown was laughable... :shh :shh
Suspect Martin's mediocre first half of the season cost him.(just ike Hawkins' mediocre second half should have seen him excluded as well)..still looking forward to him making the selectors look very stupid next month..not that anyone will care or remember this Mickey Mouse crap by then... :shh :shh :shh
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Well done Bachar?
BT any comments?
That side is laughable!
I thought the year Bellis was in the 40 man squad was a joke, this certainly beats that by a long long way.
Just goes to show the “judges” don’t watch all the games and go off stats sheets for judgment.
How does a guy who basically plays opponents off a ski rope make the AA team as a defender.
What I do know is if they played a game against someone Houli would definitely do the kick ins and his opponent would have a field day.
Imagine Houli playing on the HFF of the side in Danderfield or Walters??... Wowee!!
What’s laughable is that the all Australian side has just been named and with 2 players from Richmond making it and instead of feeling pride that 2 players from the club you support earning a spot you go on a rant about why 1 doesn’t deserve to be there.
I don’t confess to see every game every week but some of the players picked are a joke.
And it makes a mockery of the whole thing!
But what I can say after watching every game that Houli played is his season was no where good enough for AA selection IMO. Not even close.
AND IN MY OPINION MEANS ITS MY OPINION.
So if you think differently, fair enough, but something tells me there is more to it for you than that.
After such a great AA season why do you think the club haven’t signed him yet?
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Don’t know what you are trying to imply. A player for the team I support has just been recognised by the league for his great season and just like for grimesy I am very happy for him.
Regarding his contract, it’s probably the same reason they haven’t signed Edwards yet. Both over 30, playing great footy and stalwarts of the club. All parties know they’ll be at the RFC next year so no need to prioritise it over younger players.
The guy was literally just named in the all Australian team recognising that he has performed the best in his position across the competition and this angers you because it doesn’t fit your narrative that he is an average footballer that is easily replaceable. I mean I don’t even see rival supporters questioning or complaining about his selection which should tell you something.
Just let it go, he plays for Richmond and plays well. Try showing a bit of support.
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I’m surprised lachie Whitfield wasn’t named at half back. I know he’s moved between half forward and half back this year but half back is easily his best position. For the role of half back flanker I think Houli has done an exceptional job. I feel like AA is given to people who have historically been decent also and my other guess is it’s a nod to how good houli was in the grand final
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My All Australia team of NON-SELECTED All Australian's for 2019.
Note that after Gawn + Grundy we are certainly not spoiled for choice with ruckmen etc.
B: Nick Vlastuin, Daniel Talia, Jake Lloyd
HB: Nick Haynes, Robbie Tarrant, Dane Rampe
C: Lachie Whitfield, Josh Dunkley, Bradley Hill
HF: Dustin Martin, Tom Lynch, Hugh McCluggage
F: Dayne Zorko, Ben Brown, Gary Ablett
Fol: Todd Goldstein, Dion Prestia, Stephen Coniglio
I/C: Reilly O'Brien, Travis Boak, Zach Merrett, Luke Shuey
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A very subjective opinion based team but all players who made the team and squad are worthy and great footballers.
Congratulations to all those who made it, what an honor it is.
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I’m surprised lachie Whitfield wasn’t named at half back. I know he’s moved between half forward and half back this year but half back is easily his best position. For the role of half back flanker I think Houli has done an exceptional job. I feel like AA is given to people who have historically been decent also and my other guess is it’s a nod to how good houli was in the grand final
Whitfield missed too many matches, nearly a third of the season.. :shh
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Don’t know what you are trying to imply. A player for the team I support has just been recognised by the league for his great season and just like for grimesy I am very happy for him.
Regarding his contract, it’s probably the same reason they haven’t signed Edwards yet. Both over 30, playing great footy and stalwarts of the club. All parties know they’ll be at the RFC next year so no need to prioritise it over younger players.
The guy was literally just named in the all Australian team recognising that he has performed the best in his position across the competition and this angers you because it doesn’t fit your narrative that he is an average footballer that is easily replaceable. I mean I don’t even see rival supporters questioning or complaining about his selection which should tell you something.
Just let it go, he plays for Richmond and plays well. Try showing a bit of support.
If by “support” you mean overlooking Houli’s major deficiencies, than no I won’t. It will cost us a game one day and I just hope it’s not this year.
Houli is a really hard worker and by the looks of it a very liked teammate and person for that matter but that doesn’t mean he is a good defender which is how I actually grade defenders first and foremost.
You can, like Hurn from West Coast, be a really tight defender and also provide run and carry from the back half. Obviously you rate Houli on his run and carry only and don’t think he needs to be that accountable.
If you were picking the AA side this year, who gets a gig, Houli or Vlastuin?
Both play FB/BP in a “team defence,” both are good kicks of the footy, both have decent pace, one is hard and accountable, one is a really great intercept mark, both can kick out from full back, and both are Tigers.
(Anyone can answer that question)
Is it ok going forward if I don’t rate Houli as a backman regardless if he plays for us, if acknowledge you do rate him?
Im sure there is others we disagree on too.
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I don’t want to flood another thread with a houli debate.
Ok to be critical of any player, but just think you take it over the top with Houli and don’t think it’s necessary to do it straight after he’s accomplished something great representing the RFC.
So let’s just leave it at that.
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I’m surprised lachie Whitfield wasn’t named at half back. I know he’s moved between half forward and half back this year but half back is easily his best position. For the role of half back flanker I think Houli has done an exceptional job. I feel like AA is given to people who have historically been decent also and my other guess is it’s a nod to how good houli was in the grand final
Whitfield missed too many matches, nearly a third of the season.. :shh
Didn’t Deledio make the bench just from playing half of 2014? Also Gaff missed 4 games in the H&A and broke some kids jaw but still got the nod.
Anyway it’s not an easy task to get a best 22 in the league. I’m a skinny half back flanker type person so I have a soft spot for Whitfield who is an absolute jet
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I’m surprised lachie Whitfield wasn’t named at half back. I know he’s moved between half forward and half back this year but half back is easily his best position. For the role of half back flanker I think Houli has done an exceptional job. I feel like AA is given to people who have historically been decent also and my other guess is it’s a nod to how good houli was in the grand final
Whitfield missed too many matches, nearly a third of the season.. :shh
Didn’t Deledio make the bench just from playing half of 2014? Also Gaff missed 4 games in the H&A and broke some kids jaw but still got the nod.
Anyway it’s not an easy task to get a best 22 in the league. I’m a skinny half back flanker type person so I have a soft spot for Whitfield who is an absolute jet
Lids played 18 games that year and jagged 27 goals playing a bit more HF.