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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: lamington on October 24, 2019, 12:16:46 AM
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Hey everybody,
So I figured in the off season this is the best time to ask this since it won’t detract from the H+A games. So I was wondering if fellow forum mates can help me with the advantage of clear objective hindsight give me some summary on our team in the 00s specifically the mid 00s.
I was born in 87 and as a teen I had an ok understanding of the game but obviously not to the level now. I used to watch a lot of games with dad but my dad was diagnosed with cancer in 02 and passed away in 05 so I kinda went off the rails and because it was something I did with dad I didn’t have it in me to religiously watch multiples games each round every round until 2010 really.
But enough of the sob story I would love your help to know if my memories of certain players are fair.
Kane Johnson: from memory he was a good accumulator but did nothing with the ball and threw other players under the bus with hospital hand passes. I though he was a crap player and captain compared to Campbell and Newman. Is this fair on sugar?
Joel Bowden: absolute jet who was getting pumped because our team was poo and inconsistent game plans. You couldn’t compare him to our back 6 now but I remember that left foot being deadly. Could t kick with his right if his life depended on it though
Tivendale: I remember him being decent like a solid foot soldier that played his role. Is this accurate?
Shane tuck: an absolute jet who would benefit from our current game plan of metres gained surge football but for some reason Hardwick didn’t like him
Some players which I have no real recollection of are Tom roach and Andrew Raines. They are sons of Richmond legends so I really wanted them to be good but obviously they fizzled. We’re they just not cut out for afl or was it a case of great raw talent wasted at Richmond (of old)
Thanks in advance for your comments. I was at mums house today and I found my old Richmond top and it just sent me down memory lane
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I often wonder how a Tucky would go in the current side had he been 10 years younger...we could certainly do with his extraction abilities and his manic, see ball, get ball and just bang it forward (or at least up)approach would certainly suit our current gameplan and his ability to take marks, go forward & kick goals would be a bonus...he probably even could've played a similar role to Townsend in '17 but for his poor defending... and there's the rub...unless you're an out & out star (or a half-back flanker) in this side, lack of defensive accountability isn't tolerated at all..hell he even got dropped for it way back when standards weren't so high and although he eventually improved in that area, it was never a strength of his...so I guess he could just as easily heve ended up being shipped off to the Gold Coast with his poor man's mini-me Miles as he could've with two premiership medals around his neck (or maybe even three because we could've done with someone like him in last year's prelim) :shh
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Axel Foleys magnet would have comfortably found its way onto the whiteboard had he played in this era, I think.
I’ll never forget him lighting it up in the 2008 origin game.
He deserved more, bloody legend. Hope he can enjoy the success and flags without too much envy and forlorn.
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Still a tiger man, good mates with the likes of Moore, Kingy, Jacko, Schulter etc
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His 2007 season was something else. I thought he was near on the best player going around that year
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Foley was an absolute jet.
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That I do remember. Didn’t he lead the comp in clearances in 07?
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Played like a mini-Judd for two years then got injured and was never the same... :shh
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His 2007 season was something else. I thought he was near on the best player going around that year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYG2Oz6OBlw
Much of this package is from '07 I think.
The clips of him ripping it out of the guts against St. Kilda. Yeash! Matthew Knights eat your heart out. I will never forget that game. We pushed the Saints right to the end. Even though we were trash and they were pushing for a flag. It was right in the midst of that epic losing (not winning) streak against them in the mid to late naughties.
I doubt anyone in the team today could replicate those efforts.
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Prestia does a fair job of it, Cotchin at his best.... :shh
Anyway...surely we haven't already forgotten our most obvious example of a gun ruined by injury:
(http://www.beckys-place.com/australia/coughlan.jpg)
:shh :shh
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Can some fellow OERers give us some summaries on Chaffee, tivendale, dragasevic, Holland and ray hall?
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yes - crap, a bit less crap, total crap, even crappier & mainly crap... :shh
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yes - crap, a bit less crap, total crap, even crappier & mainly crap... :shh
Haha thanks for the succinct summation. Oh I seemed to recall that polak was actually a good player but that bus collision accident basically ended his career? Am I looking back with rose coloured glasses with this or was he actually decent?
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IIRC he looked quite promising at Freo early on and showed the odd glimpse here & there .. never really settled into a position at either end of the ground but tbh he was never really that good...can't remember what his contract staus was at the time but have the feeling he probably would've been delisted had he not had the accident and was only retained as a goodwill gesture...distinctly remember a few flogs on Big Footy "joking" at the time of the accident that he just was showing his usual lack of awareness.. :shh
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My memory was he was a little better than that. Was coming into a strong vein of form at the end of 07 and start of 08.
The accident was pretty brutal. He more or less had to learn to walk and talk again. Eventually recovered but he couldn't ever get back to where he was.
I'd actually mark him down as another "coulda been" from that era. Was taken directly behind Hodge, Ball, Judd in the famous '01 draft. Looked to be finding his feet at the level when the accident occured. Ah well.
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Wasn't there a game against Collingwood (I think) where first bounce Foley takes the ball from the guts kicks long and Polak marks for a goal. Then very next bounce Foley takes the ball from the guts kicks long and Polak marks for a goal.
Was my bright memory until 2017 GF
EDIT found it - round 19 2007
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I would love to see Joel Bowden in the current team. He played his best footy in defence but I reckon he would be an awesome high HF in the current team. He marked the ball well and his skills were silk.
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Prestia does a fair job of it, Cotchin at his best.... :shh
Anyway...surely we haven't already forgotten our most obvious example of a gun ruined by injury:
(http://www.beckys-place.com/australia/coughlan.jpg)
:shh :shh
Don’t forget Nathan Brown too. Was absolutely tearing the comp to shreds in 05 before he broke his leg. Pretty sure we were comfortably in the top 4 at that stage and ended up going on a massive losing streak immediately after and missing finals.
Who could forget that game against Collingwood.
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James Clement would prefer to forget it....:shh
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Can some fellow OERers give us some summaries on Chaffee, tivendale, dragasevic, Holland and ray hall?
Chaffey was one of my faves. Tough little nugget, good left boot.
Tivendale was one of those guys...could kick beautifully and do some amazing things but then went missing half the time.
Dragasevic even more so. Was diabolically talented in front of the goals, did some real insane things. Crueled by knee injuries.
Ben Holland was a good player but just didn't have the heart IMO. Could take a great mark and was one of the best kicks around at the time. Team sucked and didn't do him or Richo justice.
Ray Hall was a tough skinny guy, could really run for a tall bloke. Lacked talent though.
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Since we're visiting memory lane, one of my fave players as a kid was Greg Stafford :D
Huge bloke, bit nasty at times, and a great kick. Tough as nails too. I remember he played out a game after hyper extending his knee and jagged some match winning goals.
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Was too young to remember anything specific, but I go remember dragasevic being one of my favourites and then he was gone.
Was born in the early 90s, so all these players are who I grew up watching.
Some other heroes of the late 90s-early 00s that I don’t think have been mentioned yet; the kellaway brothers, gasper, ottens, Hilton, andy krakouer.
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Bowden - broke his collarbone(s) early days (1996-97). Played outside as a result and was seen for a while as that era's Ellis. It wasn't until he went back into defence that fan attitudes turned positive.
Tivs - good 2001 but no right foot meant opp worked him out.
Sugar - think Lambert carrying the load if dusty, cotch, sheds weren't around. At Adel Sugar had the stars around. He didn't at Richmond.
Tom Roach - harsh but only recruited due to surname.
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Bowden - broke his collarbone(s) early days (1996-97). Played outside as a result and was seen for a while as that era's Ellis. It wasn't until he went back into defence that fan attitudes turned positive.
Unitl he turned his back on the brawl v Collingwood
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...or all the times he turned his back on teammates in good attacking positions screaming for the ball... :shh
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Bowden - broke his collarbone(s) early days (1996-97). Played outside as a result and was seen for a while as that era's Ellis. It wasn't until he went back into defence that fan attitudes turned positive.
Unitl he turned his back on the brawl v Collingwood
Round 17, 2001 against the Bulldogs, approx 17 mins into the final term.
That is all
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Mark Coughlan is one of the saddest stories from the 00s. What could've been if not cut down by OP and an ACL at such a young age :(.