One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 19, 2020, 10:16:04 PM
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Brisbane won tonight so our opponent in the QF is down to Port's game. Port win and we play the Lions at the Gabba, otherwise we play Port at the Adelaide Oval.
Maybe a dumb question but any preference out of the two or happy to play anyone anywhere?
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Preference is Brisbane at the Gabba but not fussed either way.
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No preference at all
Whoever, where ever, we will win
:gotigers
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Probably Brisbane, but think both are overrated and we will beat whoever
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Just bring our best effort and we win against either.
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Give me Brisbane in Brisbane for sure.
I don’t think I could handle watching the one side umpiring we would have to put up with if we played Port in Adelaide.
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Umpiring will be against us no matter what.
AFL want Brisbane or Port to win the flag, they are sick of us IMO.
I think we will beat port or Brisbane
We may as well ff to the Grand Final against Geelong and save everyone a lot of trouble.
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Pros and cons to each so it doesn't matter.
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Playing Brisbane first and winning means we play all our finals in Qld. However, if we stuff up the QF then we could end up with a PF in Adelaide.
Playing Port is tougher first up as we travel to Adelaide but we won't be leaving Qld after that win or lose the QF.
Option A:
QF vs Brisbane (W)
PF vs (loser of Port vs Geel or winner of WCE vs Coll)
GF vs (winner of Port vs Geel, or winner of Bris vs StK/Dogs)
Option B:
QF vs Brisbane (L)
SF vs (winner of StK vs Dogs)
PF vs (winner of Port vs Geel) …. in Adelaide if vs Port
GF vs (one of Bris, loser of Port vs Geel, or winner WCE vs Coll)
Option C:
QF vs Port (W) …. in Adelaide
PF vs (loser of Bris vs Geel or winner of WCE vs Dogs)
GF vs (winner of Bris vs Geel, or winner of Port vs Coll/StK)
Option D:
QF vs Port (L) …. in Adelaide
SF vs (winner of Coll/StK)
PF vs (Port, loser of Bris vs Geel, or winner of WCE vs Dogs)
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Unless there's a major turnaround in the last quarter tonight, it's looking like it's going to be Brisbane.
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Brisbane @ the Gabba is it.
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Let's hope we don't get the first up Thursday nighter so Lynch is given an extra day to get right.
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Bring on the bunnies!
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The unveiling of the fixture for the first week of the 2020 AFL finals series has reportedly been delayed until Tuesday — but details were already leaking on Monday evening.
It was revealed earlier on Monday the AFL is planning on playing two games in the first weekend of the finals in Adelaide — and is prepared to ignore official requests from the Saints to have their wish come true.
Fox Footy’s Tom Morris reported the second elimination final will be played on Saturday October 3 as either an afternoon or twilight fixture.
LIKELY AFL FINALS FIXTURES FOR WEEK ONE
Port Adelaide (1) vs Geelong (4) in qualifying final one at Adelaide Oval
Brisbane (2) vs Richmond (3) in qualifying final two at Gabba
West Coast (5) vs Collingwood (8) in elimination final one at Optus Stadium
St Kilda (6) vs Western Bulldogs (7) in elimination final two, Venue TBA
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2020-finals-series-fixture-details-leaked/news-story/b29f17b0ae0a18694c74981d942e5905
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Tom Browne on Ch 7 reckons our Qualifying Final will be the last one on Saturday night, October 3rd.
Eagles vs Pies on Thurs. night
Port vs Cats on Friday night
St K vs Dogs @ Adelaide Oval on Sat. arvo
Bris vs Rich on Sat. night.
Official announcement will be tomorrow.
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Good outcome. Another few days to get Lynch and Prestia right
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The AFL has a strong preference to play a final at the Gabba on Saturday night, which would make the ground unavailable for the entire day.
The Saints have told the league they’re keen to host their final in Queensland.
However, the Saints are instead expected to host the Bulldogs in Adelaide on either Saturday afternoon or Saturday twilight.
That would then allow Brisbane to host Richmond in their qualifying final on the Saturday night.
West Coast and Collingwood’s elimination final and Port Adelaide and Geelong’s qualifying final would be played in some order on Thursday and Friday.
It had been previously reported that the higher-ranked club would get a choice of where to play. That is not technically true, since clubs can lodge a preference, but ultimately it is up to the league where matches are staged throughout the season.
A good example of this is Geelong’s preference to play finals at GMHBA Stadium. They are instead shifted to the MCG.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-fixture-2020-st-kilda-home-final-in-adelaide-adelaide-oval-afl-preference-western-bulldogs-collingwood-queensland/news-story/ab1f24ec6e230495cb500c8e46222325
Last year we played the 2nd QF on a Saturday night.
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Win and we play either Port, Geelong, Eagles or Collingwood in a Prelim.
Lose and we play the winner of the Saints vs Dogs in a Semi Final. If we win that then we play either Port or Geel in a Prelim.
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We're playing on the Friday night.
Source: SEN via the AFL.
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Finals fixture: AFL unveils times, venues for week one
afl.com.au
22 September 2020 2:30pm
Thursday, October 1
First Qualifying Final
Port Adelaide v Geelong at Adelaide Oval, 7:10pm CST / 7.40pm EST
Friday, October 2
Second Qualifying Final
Brisbane Lions v Richmond at the Gabba, 7.50pm EST
Saturday, October 3
Second Elimination Final
St Kilda v Western Bulldogs at the Gabba, 4.40pm EST
First Elimination Final
West Coast vs Collingwood at Optus Stadium, 6.10pm WST / 8.10pm EST
https://www.afl.com.au/news/510195/stuff-one
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Wonder if Chris Scott thinks all finals should be played in Geelong this year
It’s about time for the annual Geelong sook up
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The boys should put in a good performance but they can’t be complacent and risk getting jumped. I sense 2017 vibes like when Geelong had the wood over us for a decade and we upset them in the QF. They kicked themselves out of it last year when they had first quarter ascendancy. Gotta go in guns blazing and make a statement from opening bounce
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The boys should put in a good performance but they can’t be complacent and risk getting jumped. I sense 2017 vibes like when Geelong had the wood over us for a decade and we upset them in the QF. They kicked themselves out of it last year when they had first quarter ascendancy. Gotta go in guns blazing and make a statement from opening bounce
Agree, great call. We can’t afford to let them get a jump on us
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The boys should put in a good performance but they can’t be complacent and risk getting jumped. I sense 2017 vibes like when Geelong had the wood over us for a decade and we upset them in the QF. They kicked themselves out of it last year when they had first quarter ascendancy. Gotta go in guns blazing and make a statement from opening bounce
100% true have to stay with them.I reckon we're playing better footy tho now since rd 10 we played them we've gone up a gear and key personal back.
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The Brisbane Lions have warned Richmond - target Lachie Neale at your own peril. #7NEWS
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1308691558225424387
Sooking already. Just as they did with Charlie Cameron before the QF last year :nopity.
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Yep few cheap shots ,Robinson and now Neal. Tells me there panicky and want umpires attention.
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Anyone else get the email telling us in Victoria we aren’t able to purchase a ticket unless we are planning to attend?
Bloody Stupid really. I reckon with all our support we should be allowed to buy my ticket and give it to whomever I want to give it too. That should be my right as a member.
Not able to go to one game this year I should be able to at least get a ticket to a final and bless a relative with it.
Not happy that they can dictate what I can do with what I pay for as long as I don’t resell it then I should be able to give to anyone.
The club does this themselves.
The radio stations do it.
The AFL even does it.
Sponsors and corporates.
But we aren’t allowed :rollin
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agree, thats the first thing i thought of when i got the email.
I suspect they will say its open to scalping. Either way its garbage.
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My understanding was it’s due to COVID tracing
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My understanding was it’s due to COVID tracing
If one were to win corporate tickets or get them from a radio station? How would it be any different.
Contact tracing still works the same as it does now. We are getting tracked by our phones and the apps we use and those that have the Covid app.
It’s a bloody stupid rule in my opinion. My money and my right to spend it and do with it what I like to do with it as long as I don’t on sell it for more than it’s worth if that’s the rule.
I can’t see the issue.
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"It's been a while and they're probably pretty happy they're playing us," Lachie Neale said of the Tigers' 15-game unbeaten run that stretches back to 2009.
"But we're excited and know our best footy can beat anyone in the comp.
"There's no fears there; we've missed a lot of opportunities in the last couple of times and the scoreboard probably doesn't feel like it reflects how we've matched up against them."
https://www.yarrawongachronicle.com.au/australian-rules/2020/09/25/1653663/andrews-stuff
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Alot of cheap talk out from the lions .You did miss alot of shots that's because we forced you out wide to have those shots not through the corridor.
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Despite 15 consecutive wins against Brisbane since 2009 – Hardwick is yet to lose to the Lions as coach – Jack Riewoldt said this match would be a different kettle of fish as he expected his opponents will be "hungry to win".
The Tigers are aiming to become the first Richmond team to go back-to-back since 1973-74 but Riewoldt said that fact had not been emphasised.
He said they had spoken about embracing the imperfections of the season, the topsy-turvy nature of it and the fact you have to be ready to go at any second, Riewoldt said.
However the 31-year-old said experience built up over three consecutive post-seasons – where the Tigers have won seven of eight finals matches – gave them confidence.
"[It] builds good evidence for myself and for the side as well. We have found ourselves in this position before and we have been successful," he said.
Source: The Age (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/handy-headache-top-tigers-return-stuff-20200927-p55zp2.html)
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A little reign of sunshine: Tigers look to continue Queensland dominance
By Peter Ryan
The Age
September 28, 2020 — 2.33pm
Richmond have not lost in Queensland since 2014, a run of 15 straight wins. They have also not lost to the Brisbane Lions in their past 15 encounters, dating back to 2009.
When it comes to finals, the Tigers have won seven of their past eight, collecting two premierships on the way.
Ahead of Friday's qualifying final, last year's best and fairest Dion Prestia is preparing to return from a syndesmosis injury suffered in round five while Tom Lynch's hamstring was timed well enough that he will just be available to face the Lions.
Marlion Pickett will keep his spot as will Kamdyn McIntosh, while Shai Bolton will return from a rest in round 18.
It's why Richmond coach Damien Hardwick and captain Trent Cotchin stood under the sunshine state's blue skies on Monday with an air of confidence.
They know they are in for a fight against hungry opposition – the Lions haven't won a final since 2009 and suffered a straight-sets exit last year – with Hardwick saying they are in for "a hell of a game". But they have been in such bouts before and prevailed.
"I think our system holds us in good stead," Hardwick said at Metricon Stadium.
"As long as we're playing our best footy, we're every chance."
The Tigers base their game on getting the ball inside 50 and scoring from chaos, whereas the Lions excel around the contest. Richmond's defence pushes the Lions far and wide as they roam searching for an avenue for goal, negating the impact of Brisbane's ability to win contested ball.
Ever the coach, Hardwick kept talking the opposition up, saying all the right things about Friday's hosts who finished above the Tigers on the ladder for the second year in succession.
"They're second on the ladder for a reason and have won a lot of footy games over a long period of time so we're going to have our work cut out for us," Hardwick said.
"There's no doubt it's gonna be a really fierce contest."
The Tigers won't tag Brownlow Medal favourite Lachie Neale, confident two-time Norm Smith medallist Dustin Martin, premiership captain Cotchin, club champion Prestia and emerging centre square specialist Bolton can handle the likes of Neale, Dayne Zorko, Hugh McCluggage and Jarryd Lyons head to head.
Under Cotchin's leadership, the Tigers will be chasing their third flag in four years as hard as the Lions will be chasing their first in 17 years.
"What make teams continue on that charge is that competitive edge and I don't think you reach the top in the past nor get back to it if you don't have that hunger," the captain said.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/a-little-reign-of-sunshine-tigers-look-to-continue-queensland-dominance-20200928-p55zyg.html
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Hutchy tipping Brisbane to beat us because we've been "on the road" for a long time as well as trying to claim due to our off-field indiscretions that the finals may come back to bite us.
:huh3
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The questions to be answered for each team in the 2020 AFL finals series
By Andrew McGarry
abc.net.au
29 September 2020
Will the Tigers stay under control in the finals?
Richmond's all-out approach to football has brought them great success in recent years.
That high-energy, get-it-forward-at-all-costs game style has proven hard to stop for opposing teams.
However, there have been times this season when the Tigers have taken things a little too far.
Aside from a couple of high-profile COVID-19 protocol breaches, the team has had a number of on-field incidents where their version of unsociable football got them in trouble.
Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt are among a number of Richmond players that have been guilty of going a bit too hard at times this season.
While Lynch has been ruled out of week one of the finals against Brisbane with a hamstring problem, the Tigers will hope to have him back for the business end of proceedings.
At their best, the Tigers appear capable of taking care of anyone in their way as they challenge for a third flag in four years.
They have game-winners like Dustin Martin, who has plenty of room for improvement in October.
The Tigers have handled playing in Brisbane well — and they trounced the Lions at The Gabba last year in the qualifying final so the venue should hold no fears for them.
The bottom line is that finals campaigns can turn on a few incidents. The question for Richmond is whether the team can produce controlled aggression that helps them get the edge on their rivals, or will someone step over the line and disrupt their challenge for the flag?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-29/eight-questions-to-be-answered-in-the-afl-finals/12708140
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Fagan today:
'They are not supernatural': Lions stare down Tigers
"I'm not sure they are supernatural. They are just human beings like we are," Fagan said, echoing the sentiment of Matthews' famous "if it bleeds, we can kill it" line.
He also had a reassurring message for whoever is matched up against Martin, who is at his best in finals.
"He's like anyone. He's got strengths and weaknesses," Fagan said.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/they-are-not-supernatural-lions-stare-down-tigers-20200929-p5607s.html
Fagan turns to Freeman in bid to break Tigers hoodoo
The Lions coach hopes Olympic heroics can help his side get over Richmond.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/511647/stuff-tigers-hoodoo
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Yeah whingers to much alot of cheap and garbage talk by him acts like is achieved something with this team still unproven.
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Yeah whingers to much alot of cheap and garbage talk by him acts like is achieved something with this team still unproven.
i have been thinking this for some time. The last presser when they lost to us was enough for me.
turning into a chris scott type if you ask me.
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Yeah whingers to much alot of cheap and garbage talk by him acts like is achieved something with this team still unproven.
i have been thinking this for some time. The last presser when they lost to us was enough for me.
turning into a chris scott type if you ask me.
Yeah spot on quotes this stat and that stat we led and got done by 40 points.
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I think he sounds a little desperate / not so much a whinger. He definitely needs a circuit breaker but I’ve always thought that their issues the past few losses aren’t their kicking for goal but the combination of their game plan and being outplayed.
That’s what they should be focused on
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Living rent free in their heads
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The Brisbane Lions have tightened from as much as $2.40 to $2.10 to upstage Richmond (as short as $1.57 to $1.74) at the Gabba on Friday night in their qualifying final
https://www.sportsnews.com.au/afl/afl-stuff-1-betting-and-odds-update-2020/545917
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Fagan and the Lions are talking like they are trying to convince themselves. Hoping to win rather than believing they can.
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Fagan and the Lions are talking like they are trying to convince themselves. Hoping to win rather than believing they can.
X2
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Look out, Tigers: Lions enforcer is firing and itching for finals
Mitch Robinson loves finals footy and can't wait to take on the Tigers.
We've been pretty close the last couple of years," he said.
"We believe being cleaner with the ball, back to our fundamentals, would hold us in good stead.
"If we do the little things right - they're so clean, so efficient, so many forward handballs and surging the ball, they know each other really well.
"We've got to win the ball at the source and get it going forward. It's pretty simple."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/510964/look-out-tigers-lions-enforcer-is-firing-and-itching-for-finals
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Who will win? Week 1 Finals tips and predictions
SEN
30 September 2020
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Friday, 7:50pm, Gabba
Making a case for the Lions
Yes, Richmond has beaten Brisbane 15 times in a row and yes some veteran Tigers have gone their entire careers without experiencing a loss to the Lions and yes they’re up against the dominant finals team of the last four years, but that doesn’t mean the Lions can’t flip the script.
When they met in last year’s Qualifying Final, the Lions kicked 8.17 to Richmond’s 18.4. They led at quarter-time and had enough scoring shots to drastically alter the result, but couldn’t capitalise on their opportunities.
That trend has continued throughout the 2020 season with Brisbane being one of the least accurate teams in front of goal. With a bit of luck and big-moment execution, they could give themselves a huge boost against their bogey match-up.
Richmond crushed Brisbane earlier in the year, but the same problem arose again, with the Lions kicking 4.17 to Richmond’s 12.10. It seems a simple thing to bring up, but the Tigers have forced Brisbane into taking tougher and wider shots, denying them the corridor and taking their style away from them.
Another key factor is Dustin Martin, who has made a habit of feasting on the Lions throughout his career. He’s kicked 14 goals in his last four games against them and found as much of the footy as he has pleased. A potential tagging role for someone like Mitch Robinson or Jarryd Lyons could at least disrupt the two-time Norm Smith Medallist. Whether making Dusty mad is a good strategy or not, who knows, but sending Robinson to him to do so seems worth a shot.
With Tom Lynch officially out, the Lions must get creative with Harris Andrews. Andrews would have been forced to man Lynch tightly, but he can now delegate the Jack Riewoldt match-up to Darcy Gardiner and fill dangerous space. Send him to someone like Jake Aarts and allow Andrews to read the flight of the ball and pick off the Tigers’ forward thrusts.
Brisbane must get aggressive and take the fight to a team that has completely owned them for a decade if they are to have any chance of winning. There’s no point talking about playing their way or backing in their system because, frankly, the Tigers have blown it away more times than they can count.
- Nic Negrepontis
Making a case for the Tigers
Richmond enters a fourth straight Qualifying Final and the second in a row against the Lions in Brisbane.
The venue and the opposition hold no fears for the Tigers who have beaten Brisbane in their last 15 meetings and have not lost at the Gabba in nine attempts, dating back to their last loss here in 2004.
Clearly, a one-off final in isolation is much more difficult to assess than a simple head-to-head equation but there’s no hiding away from their recent dominance.
Damien Hardwick has some selection headaches to worry about with key forward Tom Lynch ruled out and reigning best and fairest Dion Prestia available to return having not played since Round 5 due to a syndesmosis injury. If the Tigers bring in both Prestia and Shai Bolton, which is expected, they will need to make a decision on two players who were in the 22 that beat Adelaide in Round 18.
Youngster Jack Ross looks the obvious to come out while it remains to be seen if Mabior Chol or Josh Caddy will keep their position, given Lynch’s absence calls for a forward to play.
Regardless of that, the Tigers are still dangerous in attack, especially if their midfield is deepened by the likely inclusions. That will provide the chance for Dustin Martin to spend more time forward and we all know what he is capable of when that is the case.
Richmond is the most organised team in the competition from a defensive viewpoint and will have things set up to deny the Lions in attack, while supplying pressure at ground level that will cause turnovers, which is their bread and butter.
At their best, the Tigers will be too imperious for the Lions, and even if slightly off their game, they still have the quality to win. Brisbane will need to improve greatly from their recent encounters, especially in front of goal.
While there is no doubting it will be hot from the start, as it should be in a massive final with so much at stake, the Tigers have the experience and finals know-how to navigate the Lions successfully and book a fourth Preliminary Final in four years.
- Andrew Slevison
Overall prediction: Richmond by 22 points.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/09/30/who-will-win-week-1-finals-tips-and-predictions/
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Ross Lyon and Matthew Lloyd's preview on Footy Classified:
Brisbane Richmond
Attack 3rd (in AFL) 5th
Defence 7th 2nd
Brisbane stats WINS R10 vs Richmond
Forward half gains +2.3 -11
Time in forward half +7 mins -2.25 mins
Pressure gauge 1.80 1.59
Richmond forward line match-ups
Rioli Riewoldt Castagna
Ah Chee Andrews Starcevich
Lambert Martin Aarts
Birchall Gardiner Rich
Chol
Lester
Richmond's forwards have got Brisbane's defenders for pace.
Richmond's ability to transition from defence to forward is the best in the league, and this is why...
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1311283905639710721
Odds (PointsBet)
Richmond $1.75
Brisbane $2.05
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MEGA-PREVIEW: Lions v Tigers, stats that matter, who wins and why
The Lions are looking to break a 15-game hoodoo against the reigning premiers - can they do it?
By Michael Whiting
afl.com.au
October 1, 2020
SUMMARY
Brisbane could not be better placed to break its drought over premier Richmond, coming into the finals on the back of a seven-game winning streak. However, all the pressure will be on the home team, trying to not only learn the harsh lessons from a straight games' finals exit last year, but also snap a 15-game losing streak to the Tigers. This is a rematch of last year's qualifying final, won handsomely by Richmond.
WHERE AND WHEN: the Gabba, Friday October 2, 7.50pm AEST
WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR?
Round 10: Richmond 12.10 (82) d Brisbane 4.17 (41)
As the scoreline suggests, the Lions were guilty of frittering away chances in front of goal and the Tigers did not need a second invitation. Jack Riewoldt and Tom Lynch kicked seven goals between them and Dustin Martin and Shai Bolton were prolific midfield performers as the premier punished a wasteful Brisbane for the second straight time.
WHAT TO WATCH FOR
Brisbane
Although it preaches team defence, someone has to be responsible for Dustin Martin when he goes forward. The dual Norm Smith medalist ripped the corresponding game apart with six goals last year and has often feasted against the Lions. Darcy Gardiner, or more likely Brandon Starcevich, should get the nod there. Brisbane will not want to get caught up in Richmond's helter-skelter style, so don't be surprised if they slow the ball movement down, particularly if it concedes successive goals.
Richmond
The Tigers have killed their counterparts on turnover the past couple of matches, taking advantage of a Lions' defensive unit that really tries to compress the ground. Any turnover is countered by two to three forward handballs into the corridor and away the Tigers go. Noah Balta may be the least experienced of the key backline players, but he kept Eric Hipwood to just six disposals in round 10, so watch for him to get the initial match-up against the Lions spearhead.
WHAT THE STATS SAY
1. Richmond has the perfect record at the Gabba in the past decade – 7-0 against the Lions and 9-0 overall (including wins over Sydney and Gold Coast this season). Its average winning margin over that stretch has been 39 points a game.
2. The Tigers don't care too much for clearances. They are ranked 17th in the competition for clearance differential and 16th for scores from stoppages. They do however score more points than any other team from turnovers.
3. When Brisbane kicks the ball inside its forward 50 it wants Dayne Zorko doing so. The Lions retain the ball 62.5 percent of the time and take a mark 31.3 percent of the time when their skipper does so – ranking No.1 in both measures of the top 50 players for total kicks into the forward 50.
4. Nick Vlastuin is a Tiger to keep an eye on. Vlastuin won a tick over seven intercept possessions a game this season, third in the competition, and just more than three intercept marks a game, good enough for fourth in the AFL.
5. Former No.1 draft pick Cam Rayner comes into these finals as the biggest improving Lion over the past month. Rayner has gone from an average of 6.2 AFL Player Ratings points a game in the first 13 matches to 10.1 over the past four.
IT'S A BIG WEEK FOR …
Brisbane
Brisbane doesn't need him to have a big game to win, but success for Charlie Cameron against the Tigers – a team he has battled with – would give the home team a huge lift. Like many of his teammates, goalkicking has let the 2019 All Australian down against the Tigers in recent meetings.
Richmond
Perhaps more the icing on the cake, but it's a big ask that your first game since round five is a qualifying final, however, that's what Dion Prestia faces after recovering from his syndesmosis injury. If anyone can handle it though, it's the super-fit midfield dynamo who won the Tigers' best and fairest in 2019.
PREDICTION:
Richmond by 11 points. A proven record of pressuring for longer and taking its chances.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/511675/mega-preview-lions-v-tigers-stats-that-matter-who-wins-and-why
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Did anyone see lions practice sledging today in training in case we do it seems like there playing this game in there heads.
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Did anyone see lions practice sledging today in training in case we do it seems like there playing this game in there heads.
They are blaming their poor goalkicking on our sledging :lol.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/afl-dayne-zorko-says-the-lions-expect-richmond-players-to-get-stuck-in-to-them-about-their-goal-kicking-in-the-increased-pressure-of-a-final-ng-6d2c77b0153fe3452c8f98db21cf9874
I love this bit too.
Zorko has played in 11 of Brisbane’s 15 successive losses to the Tigers.
“You don’t want to lose but I feel like we’re getting closer, and what better opportunity do we have than (Friday) night to reverse that,” he said.
“We haven’t really spoken about that this week …
Nah they haven't really spoken about it except for talking about it in the media every day this week :rollin.
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Did the play the Tiger theme song over the ground speakers as well?
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Did the play the Tiger theme song over the ground speakers as well?
:lol
They already have their own mini-bus ;D.
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Returning best-and-fairest winner Dion Prestia said a documentary on the 1985 Super Bowl champions Chicago Bears and their miserly defence was also shown …
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-coach-damien-hardwicks-weekly-gifts-have-stuff-up-key-messages-from-americas-sporting-giants/news-story/78a16583944e611a68f13eae11297865
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Qualifying finals forecast: Brisbane versus Richmond
Marnie Cohen
theRoar.com.au
October 2, 2020
Is anyone else having deja vu?
The second-placed Brisbane are hosting the third-placed Richmond in the qualifying final at the Gabba. I’ve seen this one before. Thirteen months ago to be exact.
Last season, the Lions bolted into second spot on the ladder and played in their first final series in a decade. The rise was exciting and the hype around Chris Fagan’s men was infectious.
But they just couldn’t match it with an experienced Richmond outfit or a fearless GWS side. The Lions lost both matches and were out of the finals in straight sets.
If 2019 was a practice run, will they be able to take the leap this season? Will they be able to back up their brilliant 2019 and 2020 home-and-away seasons with a win on the big stage?
The answer is that they should be able to, but there is one thing standing in their way.
Let’s address the elephant in the room.
Brisbane have lost their previous 15 games to Richmond, their opponents this evening, including last year’s qualifying final. The Tigers won that game by 47 points.
Brisbane are a good side. They’ve proven that by finishing in the top two for a couple of seasons in a row. But it’s so hard to tip them when they are on the wrong end of the competition’s longest losing streak.
It’s equally hard to tip against Richmond, who are proving to be a real premiership threat once again.
The Tigers finished third at the end of both the 2017 and 2019 home-and-away seasons, and we know how both of those stories ended.
I covered Richmond a few weeks ago ahead of their game with fellow top-four finisher Geelong.
I questioned whether or not I over-hyped the Tigers because of how well they have performed over the previous three seasons and clearly I got that one wrong.
They are obviously a very strong side and I am not prepared to argue that again.
But I’ve done a little digging and a little thinking as to what made me jump to that conclusion and it wasn’t until the All Australian team was announced last week that I realised where I had allowed my judgment to lead me down the wrong path.
All the top-four sides have a pretty good chance at winning the flag. Port Adelaide, Brisbane, Richmond and Geelong have all had outstanding seasons and each have their own strengths that make them genuine premiership contenders.
When the All Australian squad was announced last Tuesday, Geelong and Port Adelaide each boasted five nominees, making up one quarter of the squad between them. Brisbane and Richmond weren’t far behind them with three apiece.
As for the final 22, Port Adelaide and Geelong made up over a quarter of the team with three representatives each. The Tigers had one: Dustin Martin.
Despite Richmond being one of the most threatening sides in the competition, there’s no one player that is responsible for that. It’s truly a team effort.
Yes, Martin is brilliant and one of the best players I’ve seen for a really long time. But he’s not always the difference.
All sides have brilliant individuals, but not all sides have depth like the Tigers. Not all sides have talent that runs beyond their best five or eight players.
I can’t quite pinpoint the brilliance of this team and that’s what makes them stand out above the rest. It’s what has allowed them to achieve a top-four finish for the fourth season running.
Here I am thinking that I’ve overhyped Richmond because I just talk about how good they are as a collective without mentioning too many players individually aside from Martin.
But that right there is what makes them brilliant. Their depth and ability to seamlessly slot players into the line-up when required is truly remarkable.
Each week, they are bringing new talent to the table from nowhere. You’ve got to be pretty confident in your own team and their ability if you are happy to bring in a debutant for a grand final last season.
It’s a rare thing to have so many men constantly step up and play for their spot week in, week out. These are the players making the difference.
And they could be the ones making the difference tonight. That battle for selection is really heating up. Just ask Josh Caddy.
The cult hero has been dropped ahead of tonight’s match, as he makes way for 2019 best and fairest winner Dion Prestia and young gun Shai Bolton.
The Tigers will be without star forward Tom Lynch, however, who is still sidelined with a hamstring injury.
Brisbane will also be boosted by the return of two of their stars. All Australian full back Harris Andrews and gun midfielder Jarrod Berry are both ready and raring to go.
As for the result? Will it also be a case of deja vu? I think so.
Richmond look good and seriously mean business come September. Given their current form, combined with their winning streak against Brisbane, it’s hard to tip against them.
That’s my qualifying final forecast. What’s yours?
https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/10/02/qualifying-finals-forecast-brisbane-versus-richmond/
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Got to be at our best tonight's game and strong whole team ethic Lions will come out so need to weather the storm.Get game on our terms.Important that the pressure and tackling intensity is on the ball carrier there ranked 16th for turnovers and use our speed run and carry.Forward entry has to be precise and we need to make Andrews accountable not allow him to mop up.Chol all he needs to do is stay involved in the game help Nank and rotate up forward giving us a target while Jack and Co do there work.Need a few goals from midfield to.Super important to win some clearance which I think now we're better to do with Bolton, Titch ,Prestia back.
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ROB HARDING'S IN-DEPTH PREVIEW OF BRISBANE'S QUALIFYING FINAL CLASH AGAINST RICHMOND
BY ROB HARDING
SEN
October 2, 2020
Last three meetings
2020 Round 10: Richmond 12.10.82 d. Brisbane 4.17.41 (41 points). Metricon Stadium (N)
2019 QF: Richmond 18.4.112 d. Brisbane 8.17.65 (47 points). Gabba (N)
2019 Round 23: Richmond 12.10.82 d. Brisbane 8.7.55 (27 points). MCG (D)
Last Time They Met
A Tuesday night match up at the Gabba saw the Lions off a four day break against the Tigers off a six day break.
As in their previous meeting in the 2019 Qualifying Final, accuracy in front of goal played a major role, with the Lions kicking 4.17 from their 40 forward 50 entries.
In particular, the second and third quarters were costly, where the Lions kicked 1.12 to the Tigers' 6.3.
The Tigers' tall forwards were a strong presence all night, with Riewoldt and Lynch combining for seven goals.
What Brisbane do well
The Lions are a well balanced team in attack, preferring to shift the ball back through the corridor, but capable of kicking long down the line and attacking through contest, on the back of their strong ball-winning midfield.
The Lions have generated the second-most inside 50s, third most marks inside forward 50, and are the number one team for scoring from forward-half intercepts in 2020.
While the Lions are the best in the AFL for generating scores from their forward 50 entries, they are the worst at goalkicking accuracy.
Defensively, the Lions are quick to snap into defence on turnover, defending short options and taking away their opponent's ability to control the ball through mark chains.
What Richmond do well
Richmond have the best collection of hard running midfielders and half forwards in the game.
Their elite work rate allows the Tigers to repeat outnumber, from contest to contest across the field, and their frenetic pace burns opposition teams into the ground.
At stoppages, Richmond will often bring one or two forwards up, with Martin having the licence to sprint forward and provide a dangerous attacking option.
Opposition teams can get caught in the chaos of either handing over opponents or maintaining a spare behind the ball at stoppages. The spare is often then swamped by the charge of Tiger half forward resetting towards goal.
The Tigers backs maintain good shape behind the ball but will work together to support when required. Their communication and instruction from behind the ball is first class, and creates doubt in the opposition ball carriers mind, which buys time for Tigers mids and forwards to pressure.
This year the Tigers are number one for scores from turnover differential and number one for time in forward half.
Something to watch for
The working theory against Richmond is that they want a chaos game, and to avoid a chaos game, you must control the ball against them.
The Lions are capable of doing that, they are a kick/mark team, but as Geelong found in Round 17, the Tigers will tease wide and backwards kicks then shut down any forward progress.
The Tigers get their outnumber from half forwards pushing up the ground, while holding one midfielder in the corridor (often Cotchin) as a release player on turnover.
Can the Lions make use of their extra midfielder in long down the line situations and keep the ball surging forward? Winning or forcing a stoppage in those situations will be an absolute must for the Lions midfield.
One more thing – Richmond have only lost 15 of their last 66 games (with one draw), since the 2017 Premiership. One chink in their armour is that tall forwards have had an impact in their losses. Think Mason Cox in the 2018 PF, Jenkins and Walker combining for 9 goals in early 2018, Cameron and Finlayson combining for 12 in early 2019.
Can Andrews, McInerney and McStay win their aerial battle in the Lions forward half?
And if they do, can the Lions put their accuracy woes to bed early?
Prediction
The Tigers have been the best team of the last four seasons, and have won their last 15 against the Lions.
That said, Brisbane will feel that the 40+ point margins of their last two meetings weren’t an accurate reflection of how close the two sides really were.
Still, it’s impossible to go past the Tigers, and they should get home in a close one.
Richmond by 10 points.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/02/rob-hardings-in-depth-preview-of-brisbanes-qualifying-final-clash-against/
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THE AREA BRISBANE CAN'T MUCK UP AGAINST RICHMOND ... AGAIN
BY SEN
October 2, 2020
Australian football Hall of Famer Terry Wallace has run his eye over the huge Qualifying Final clash between Brisbane and Richmond.
The former Hawthorn star believes the Tigers are the better team and the Lions can’t waste their opportunities in front of goal as they have in recent encounters.
“Richmond to me are the most equipped team structurally wise and they’re a team that seem to be able to play any time, anywhere and any conditions,” Wallace told SEN’s Dwayne’s World.
“What we’ve got to find out about Brisbane, to me they’re still an improving team, what did they learn from their two finals losses last year and how much growth have they got.
“I think the injuries to Harris Andrews and Jarrod Berry and even Charlie Cameron who’s come back to a little bit better form, but we still haven’t seen the best of Charlie Cameron in the back half of the year.
“You’d like to see those three guys all up and fit coming into this finals series.
“They played two finals last year where they kicked 4.10 in the first half against Richmond and 4.10 in the second half against GWS. They did it again earlier (in 2020) against Richmond again.
“They can’t afford to be mucking up opportunities in this game.”
If the Lions can’t get through Richmond, Wallace is backing them in to defeat the winner of St Kilda and the Bulldogs.
“I can’t see Brisbane going out in straight sets this time around. I just think that they’re more mature, I think the growth in them is there, the home ground advantage factor is there,” Wallace said.
“If they can’t get it done against Richmond, who are my number one seed, I wouldn’t like to be playing (Brisbane) if they get beaten again, so that would be their third lost final in a row, I wouldn’t want to be playing them next week in a final because I just can’t see this side going out in straight sets.
“I think they’re playing the best (Richmond) and I’ll be sticking with the best until I see something different. Richmond over a four-year period and in finals have been the best, so until I see something change, I’m sticking with them.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/02/the-area-brisbane-cant-muck-up-against-richmond-again/
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“Last year we actually did a really good job on Martin (in the midfield) and he had to go forward, but then he ended up kicking (six) goals and we probably didn’t plan for that,” Zorko said earlier this week.
“We’ve planned a little bit harder this time in all different scenarios and we still back our whole team defence to get the job done on him.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/operation-stop-dusty-why-lions-need-to-curb-richmond-stars-impact/news-story/cdc0d1bfa1ebe98bb5fb9e6f25795ad8
:rollin
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Brisbane are trying hard to convince themselves
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Firstly - I truly think this is the most flawed AFL season on record. 16 minute quarters etc , it’s a farce.
HOWEVER
I don’t think a flag could give a team more vindication and legacy for an era than us winning this flag.
Blessed by the draw other years at the MCG etc , all the rubbish from the haters. This year there will be nothing for the others to sook about , we will win on merit
It starts tonight
Go Tiges !!!
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Firstly - I truly think this is the most flawed AFL season on record. 16 minute quarters etc , it’s a farce.
HOWEVER
I don’t think a flag could give a team more vindication and legacy for an era than us winning this flag.
Blessed by the draw other years at the MCG etc , all the rubbish from the haters. This year there will be nothing for the others to sook about , we will win on merit
It starts tonight
Go Tiges !!!
Can I get an amen!!??
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We won on merit in 2017 and 2019. We thrashed our grand final opponents on both occassions.
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All about matching them in the guts, bring the pressure and taking our chances. As others have said we need to start well as they will be pumped up initially. As long as we are at least with them or better on the scoreboard early on then we will be ok.
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Half asleep there.
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Skills a bit off at the minute
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We won on merit in 2017 and 2019. We thrashed our grand final opponents on both occassions.
I know that
You know that
I’m talking about the rubbish from the haters
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Firstly - I truly think this is the most flawed AFL season on record. 16 minute quarters etc , it’s a farce.
HOWEVER
I don’t think a flag could give a team more vindication and legacy for an era than us winning this flag.
Blessed by the draw other years at the MCG etc , all the rubbish from the haters. This year there will be nothing for the others to sook about , we will win on merit
It starts tonight
Go Tiges !!!
Can I get an amen!!??
Amen Brother Will
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Jack goals
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Jack :gotigers
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A very stupid 50 by Bolton :banghead
Gifts them a goal
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Thanks ump. That's soft 50 for a final.
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A very stupid 50 by Bolton :banghead
Gifts them a goal
Poor umpiring too, especially in finals
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I didn’t reckon it deserved 50. Soft.
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Oh Dusty :banghead
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I didn’t reckon it deserved 50. Soft.
Flip it around and we'd screaming for a 50 ;D
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Two sets of rules :banghead
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Our disposal :scream
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Baker great goal.
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The bloke I reckon is our most improved
Baker
Goals
Scores level
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How woeful was that?
Grimes blocked and Astbury didn't even compete :banghead
Prior to that Cotchin in the middle stood and watched Rich Mark :scream
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Baker is a star
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Our backline isn’t competing at the moment. Too easy!
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Poor option to Nank then poor defending :banghead.
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Cotch you stuffing legend
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Great captain's goal :gotiges
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The Captain makes up for 2 minutes ago
Goal
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K-Mac goals
We hit the front
25-19
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Kmac in good form. Goal!
25 - 19
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These umpires... stuff me!
Baker gets tackled and spun 360 in out backline after taking a mark. No 50, then gets told to play on when he didn’t move off the mark.
And that in the marking contest decision... you just didn’t want to pay us the 50. Plain and simple!
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You know there a certain players in every team you just can't stand
Hipwood is the Brisbane player for me, overrated. A sook
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Qtr time
Rich 4.1. 25
Bris 3.1. 19
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1/4 time
Richmond 4.1-25
Brisbane 3.1-19
Goals: Jack, Baker, Cotch, Kmac
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Controlled the qtr as it went along. Need to cut out the schoolboy errors though. Chol needs another rocket. Dusty awesome.
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Need a good 2nd quarter.
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You know there a certain players in every team you just can't stand
Hipwood is the Brisbane player for me, overrated. A sook
Zorko for me....
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Chol needs to use his leap and compete in the air.
Stop looking at his opponent. That goes when he’s forward or in the ruck.
Our defenders need to jump and compete in the air.
PUNCH!
Dusty on.
Cotchin on.
Prestia rusty.
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Nank that was a gift :P
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George kicked straight :o lol
31 - 25
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#FreeKickBrisbane
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Come at the footy Mabs.
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Terrible by Chol, ran away from it!
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Bombing it isn't working. Don't need 3 forwards flying either and no one down.
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Grrr!
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Wasted so many forward entries.
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Terrible defending.
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Double 50
Through pure stupidity :banghead
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:banghead :banghead
Terrible last 10 minutes
Just terrible
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Hometown umpiring. Two different rules.
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Umps paying everything & anything to Brissy .... ::)
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Really disappointing last 10 mins. Deserve to be behind.
Chol - not up to it.
4 50 mtre penalties reflects an issue with some personalities out on field. We're better than that or are we?
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Hometown umpiring. Two different rules.
Sorry MT
But umpire blew the whistle, free was there. Bolton played on so 50
Then we get sucked in (again) with them getting in our faces. Dpuble 50
We are getting sucked in time and time again. There are blokes put there that should know better
We dominated for the first 10-15 minutes and had nothing to show for it
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Brissy rucks have been allowed to wrap two arms around Nank & pull him away from the ball ... haven't been pinged once so far! :P
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The crowd is loud and these idiots are paying 50s for not hearing the whistle.
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pee poor umpiring. But, some of our players are very ordinary and precious. Stand up and win the footy and harden the stuff up.
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Hometown umpiring. Two different rules.
Sorry MT
But umpire blew the whistle, free was there. Bolton played on so 50
Then we get sucked in (again) with them getting in our faces. Dpuble 50
We are getting sucked in time and time again
We dominated for the first 10-15 minutes and had nothing to show for it
The umpires are terrible, the kicks after the whistle are so quick that they can’t pull up.
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This is why we need caddy out there.
He can get into the heads of the opposition better than most.
We missing his toughness and lip.
Chol is lost. He’s just not attacking the footy. He needs to smash the packs and use his leap.
Shockingly idiotic performance.
These sort of stupid mistakes will cost you games and might get you reported.
We need to stick to our game and play to our strengths.
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Missing Lynch bad.
Chol should be delisted. Gutless, weak and cannot read the play. Of we're using Dusty as a ruck vs Oscar what does that tell you?
Caddy would have done better as a forward.
Shame Broad isn't out there to snipe a few.
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Brissy rucks have been allowed to wrap two arms around Nank & pull him away from the ball ... haven't been pinged once so far! :P
Pinged once in the 1st
But our defence at times poor
At that throw in Short was clueless against Cameron
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Chol - not up to it.
Because he's not a deep full forward.....and Nankervis has been even worse.... :shh
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Bolton needs a slap up the head too
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Prestia off the pace
Can clearly tell he has missed alot of footy
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Bloody hell we need a goal kicking small forward badly.
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Don't have issue with 2nd 50 WP. But the first was poor umpiring. It's a final and for a rare time this year there's a loud crowd. Players can't hear if they don't see.
We're getting frustrated by the umpiring.
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Bloody hell we need a goal kicking small forward badly.
Getting a fair one next year..... :shh
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Castagna, Aart and Chol terrible..
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The 50 against Dusty when he grabbed and kicked the ball in the one action from a rucking contest how can that be paid yet Macca gets smashed after he takes a mark and it's apparently fair. How does Floss get bumped and the ball gets knocked out and its holding the ball, then we tackle a Lion's player who drops it attempting a kick and it's play on. I don't mind them being hot on frees but let's make it consistent for both sides, at the moment I don't feel like we are getting the rub of the green with the umps.
I will say that we have been really dumb at times being drawn into giving away frees and it's been a momentum killer. Has a feel similar to last year's prelim when Clangerfield got the 50 just before half time.
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Castagna, Aart and Chol terrible..
George is as George does, Chol was always going to struggle without Lynch and having to be Lynch, finals footy exposing Aarts' VFL pedigree.... :shh
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Don't have issue with 2nd 50 WP. But the first was poor umpiring. It's a final and for a rare time this year there's a loud crowd. Players can't hear if they don't see.
We're getting frustrated by the umpiring.
I'd agree with you apart from the fact he was less 3 metres from the ump
He does it alot BTW. He has given away 2 of the 4 50's. And each has resulted in a goal
Discipline wise we have been very poor
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Chol is having a Clinton Young game.... career ending
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For all those calling for Caddy to be dropped all I can ask is do you think he should be playing now?
He’s a proven finals player that is a very valuable commodity to have in these games.
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Dimma just said it's free kicks!
Cost us 5 goals
Suggested the umpires are trigger happy
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For all those calling for Caddy to be dropped all I can ask is do you think he should be playing now?
He’s a proven finals player that is a very valuable commodity to have in these games.
Think you will find Caddy wasn't fit
Hardly trained this week
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Frees: 5 - 12
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Prestia needed to do better there
Jack was the option
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We are in massive trouble
Both Grimes and Vlastuin not having great nights
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Rioli finally touched the ball and stuffs it up :banghead
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The fix is in fellas... if we can’t get a free from that last passage of play we’ll never get one.
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Rioli goals
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Rioli. Geez we needed that.
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stuff their spuds are kicking goals now
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Gee :banghead :banghead
There is a word I want to use
How the helll was that allowed to happen?
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Geez we've given up soft goals tonight :banghead.
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We need to be within 2 goals at 3qtr time to have any chance
And the way we are playing :help
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:banghead :banghead :pullhair :pullhair :banghead
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How the stuff is that not dropping the ball?
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Dumb dumb footy.
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How the stuff is that not dropping the ball?
How the hell are we still within 21 points?
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Think we're done but no matter what I'd be dropping:
Pickett
Houli
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We are playing gutless, selfish football.
But I’ll say it again, and again: these umpires are blatant cheats!
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Pickett again goes the bump instead of tackle
He must get that out of his game :banghead
Lucky to be only 21 points down, bloody lucky
We've kicked 2 goals since qtr time, you can't expect to win games like that
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This is exactly how to lose a final.
Just do the exact opposite to what has got us our success.
Where is the PRESSSURE??!!! :banghead :banghead :banghead
No pressure means ordinary performance. Simple.
Brisbane is pressuring better than us for sure.
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We've had 36 inside 50s to 33 :banghead
Frees are 14-8
We've had more possessions
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Our forward line is the issue. Been poor and so we can't pull the trigger upfield.
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Our forward line is the issue. Been poor and so we can't pull the trigger upfield.
Yep
And you have to wonder what impact bringing in a bloke under done has had. Prestia got pinged again, we had the momentum and being slightly off the pace he gets pinged
And God how we have missed Lynch
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He was trying to knock that fwd. These umps are clueless.
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We can't scores the problem
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:Banghead
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We're done
Not enough time now
:banghead
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Rioli goal.
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We're done
Not enough time now
:banghead
Maybe not
:boxer
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Don't know how we are still in this.
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That was a waste Shedda
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Selfish Dusty.
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How bad has Vlas been tonight.
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How bad has Vlas been tonight.
His worst game of the yesr
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WOW
Bolton kicks a miracle :gobdrop
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Bolton pulls one out :clapping
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Review says poster.
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WOW
Bolton kicks a miracle :gobdrop
Scratch that
Score review deems it a point rightly
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Terrible turn over by Vlastuin
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Jack marks and goals
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Jack goal.
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We need 2 goals in 4 minutes
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Poor by Dusty he had more time
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2 atrocious efforts by Astbury in a minite
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Worst decision of the year against Astbury for a block. Goal Lions. Game over
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Cowardly effort by Houli, you have to take possession of that ball.
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Houli-s effort probably just cost us any chance :banghead
Pick it up not tap
Game over
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Thanks umps.
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Rich the porkster has killed us tonight
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Thanks umps.
For what?
Our stuff up resulted in that last goal
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Hands in the back not a free?
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How is there not vision of that closer than the opposing teams goal line 150 meters away?
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Hands in the back not a free?
Not all the time. You can place hands in the back to hold position
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10 minutes in the 2nd
Plus gifting them 5 goals with frees
That cost us
A really disappointing performance, really disappointing
Let's see what we are made of next week
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The positive is that we had most players down tonight and we're still close.
Next week.
Out Chol, Pickett, Houli
In Lynch, Caddy, Markov
Houli played scared tonight, he's done. Wouldn't be offering him another contract. Time for new blood
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This final series has Sydney West Coast 2005 feel about it.... :shh
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Henious game.
Many of our lads and the umps should struggle sleeping tonight.
Shady dealing with that Vlastuin score review
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Gotta get Brandon Ellis back
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No pressure and we are ordinary as nay team.
Brisbane pressured us better didn’t allow us to use our handball hame to any effect.
Not playing Caddy if he was fit to play was a huge mistake.
Chol isn’t a footy player. He has a long way to go before I trust him again we played a player shirt with him in the team.
Pickett was terrible too. Our mids weren’t pressuring.
Our backs weren’t playing very well.
Our forwards and forwards entries once again we’re terrible.
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They can’t play much better than that and we were down across the board. Disappointed but might be the kick in the arse we need. Selection panel need to do better next week too. Can’t have your Rolls Royce mid rucking in the forward line!
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Pickett shouldnt be playing. We chucked out a kid in Jack Ross so that pickett can play? Seriously!
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We chucked Ross so Prestia could play....and Pickett did just as many good things as he did bad......Castagna & Aarts' ratios on the other hand....:shh
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Pickett shouldnt be playing. We chucked out a kid in Jack Ross so that pickett can play? Seriously!
Ross was dropped for Prestia, not Pickett. Like for like selection
Pickett wasn't great but he wasn't our worst.
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We chucked Ross so Prestia could play....and Pickett did just as many good things as he did bad......Castagna & Aarts' ratios on the other hand....:shh
You know
I suggested Aarts should have been dropped for this game and practically no one agreed with me
There was just a few signs in the Adelaide game that suggested he got a tad ahead of himself. Some players must play to their limitations, Aarts is one of those players. Last game and tonight he tried to play above his limitations
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Way off tonight we switched off second qtr lions to good on the night they we're more hungry.To many passengers and topline players way off waiting for it to happen.To undisciplined at times come back into our game.Yep Chol is not enough, but don't blame him for loss collective we weren't good enough.Umpires not to blame.
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We chucked Ross so Prestia could play....and Pickett did just as many good things as he did bad......Castagna & Aarts' ratios on the other hand....:shh
You know
I suggested Aarts should have been dropped for this game and practically no one agreed with me
There was just a few signs in the Adelaide game that suggested he got a tad ahead of himself. Some players must play to their limitations, Aarts is one of those players. Last game and tonight he tried to play above his limitations
As I said earlier, Aarts VFL pedigree got exposed big time in finals footy... :shh
Reckon MJ will debuting a lot sooner than most people think next year...hell I wish he was available to play next week... :shh :shh
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Way off tonight we switched off second qtr lions to good on the night they we're more hungry.To many passengers and topline players way off waiting for it to happen.To undisciplined at times come back into our game.Yep Chol is not enough, but don't blame him for loss collective we weren't good enough.Umpires not to blame.
True.
Our pressure was way way way off our normal output.
Out of the top ten players on the ground only Graham (21 pressure acts) was in the top 10
9 Brisbane players in the top ten for pressure acts.
It’s no wonder we lost.
Our one wood is pressure and we didn’t use it.
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Make no mistake Soldo huge loss we have loss our structure and Chol can't even do half the job.
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Chol's a lot better player when Lynch & Riewoldt are both in the side.....:shh
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Geez the Fox Footy flogs can barely hide their delight.... :shh
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Chol's a lot better player when Lynch & Riewoldt are both in the side.....:shh
Rubbish comment. He is absolute poo and I wouldn’t pick him in a final for any under 13 team in any team in victoria.
He is bloody useless. How many times can you fail to leap for the footy?
And when he does leap his timing was about 5 seconds too early.
Are you taking the pee?
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Chris Fagan is slightly chuffed with himself in his presser too.
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Cotch post-game:
* Had our chances in the first half.
* Very disappointing last 10 mins of first half.
* We couldn't get our game going. Credit to Brisbane.
* Proud of the boys fight in the end.
* Spoke about what real toughness is on the footy field. Gave away goals in the first half due to silly frees kicks.
* Of course you miss 'Lynchy'. He competes so hard. Boys tried hard up there against what is an All-Australian defender in Andrews. We could have used the ball better going in the forward line to help them.
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That incident with CCJ biting us every week option instead of Chol and now injuries to big man department.
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Our midfield was the issue tonight.
Not enough pressure at all (except for Graham).
Not enough pressure on the ball carrier. Our defence weren’t helped by this and the Lions were gifted easy ball inside the forward 50.
Our forward entries were woeful.
As already noted Chol’s performance was one of the worst we’ve ever seen.
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Coaches box didn't have a great night to.Ploy was to take Grimes out of the defence up the ground so he couldn't do what he does best intercept should have sent Vaustin or Baker on to him.
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Team Stats:
Disposals: 289 - 264 .... ( contested: 132 - 121 ; uncontested: 161 - 146 )
Efficiency%: 70 - 66
Turnovers: 62 - 57
Marks: 53 - 73 .... ( contested: 5 - 9 )
Clearances: 37 - 38 .... ( centre: 14 - 7 ; stoppages: 23 - 31 )
Inside 50s: 49 - 45
Eff% In50: 29 - 47 :P
Marks In50: 5 - 7
Tackles: 53 - 57
Tackles In50: 13 - 5
Hitouts: 20 - 40 :P
Bounces: 10 - 2
One %ers: 43 - 49
Free kicks: 11 - 17 ::)
Individual possessions:
Short 22
Prestia 20
Lambert 19
Cotchin 18
Martin 18
Bolton 17
Houli 17
Graham 16
Nank 16
Vlastuin 14
Edwards 13
Astbury 12
Balta 12
Castagna 12
Pickett 12
Rioli 10
Aarts 8
Baker 8
Chol 7
McIntosh 7
Riewoldt 6
Grimes 5
https://www.afl.com.au/matches/2899#team-stats
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We did well in the clearances hit outs in ruck got killed that's we're we miss Soldo.
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No Lynch, no Soldo (who is probably a bigger loss than we realize given our tall stocks), playing underdone players in Titch and Dion and carrying a player who was woeful the week before in Chol. Coming up against a good side who were super hungry to finally beat us, on their home deck. The loss was not that surprising really. We will win our next game. Port in ADL will be tough though.
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No Lynch, no Soldo (who is probably a bigger loss than we realize given our tall stocks), playing underdone players in Titch and Dion and carrying a player who was woeful the week before in Chol. Coming up against a good side who were super hungry to finally beat us, on their home deck. The loss was not that surprising really. We will win our next game. Port in ADL will be tough though.
Yep
Wonder how CCJ is feeling right now?
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Its going to take a mighty effort to win the flag from here
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If the desire is there no issue the players got to have hunger talent there.The ruck situation is downfall not many options loss that structure.
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Very worried about a straight sets exit but if we can make it through to preliminary final were a big Chance
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The AFL is pleased to announce last night’s qualifying final between Brisbane Lions and Richmond attracted a national average TV audience of 1.541m, outrating Thursday night’s opening qualifying final and all Finals in weeks 1 and 2 of 2019.
The total television audience was up 4% compared to last year’s Friday night week 1 Final (Geelong Cats V Collingwood).
The Brisbane average free-to-air (FTA) audience was 149,000 and the total Queensland market average FTA audience was 208,000 making the match the highest Brisbane and Queensland audience for a final (non-Grand Final) in the last 10 years.
Melbourne’s FTA audience was up 3% compared to last year’s Friday night week 1 Final.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/513616/statement-strong-ratings-continue-after-lions-tigers-blockbuster
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Apparently Hardwick used the NFL as motivation for the game giving all the players Special made NFL guernseys to wear before the game.
Fagan used Cathy Freeman’s 400 metre gold medal win at the Sydney Olympics.
I guess the NFL gift wasn’t as motivating for the boys as he intended. :rollin
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People need to settle TF down on this match.
5 free kicks resulted in goals, 2 from 50m penalties.
Umpiring wasn’t to our favour at all. The holding the ball against Vlas, the 50 against Dusty are 2 stand out shockers.
The game was a hair breath from being in the balance - had that been a goal to Shai and then Jack goal well we’d have had a game.
Sometimes, it’s a game of inches.
In a final, at their home ground, they are going to have their patches of dominance.
Unfortunately, when we had ours in the early part of that 2nd quarter, we didn’t score.
Then, through acts of stupidity, we handed them momentum on a platter late in that quarter which gave up a match winning 3 goals and 1 point.
Our forward line had their asses handed to them on a platter by Harris Andrews.
We won’t let that happen again.
We had more ball, more contested poll, more tackles i50 and more i50.
It was winnable but they took their chances and deserved the win.
I’d love another crack at them in 3 weeks with Lynch in our side.
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A few people round here channeling their inner-claw... :shh
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People need to settle TF down on this match.
5 free kicks resulted in goals, 2 from 50m penalties.
Umpiring wasn’t to our favour at all. The holding the ball against Vlas, the 50 against Dusty are 2 stand out shockers.
The game was a hair breath from being in the balance - had that been a goal to Shai and then Jack goal well we’d have had a game.
Sometimes, it’s a game of inches.
In a final, at their home ground, they are going to have their patches of dominance.
Unfortunately, when we had ours in the early part of that 2nd quarter, we didn’t score.
Then, through acts of stupidity, we handed them momentum on a platter late in that quarter which gave up a match winning 3 goals and 1 point.
Our forward line had their asses handed to them on a platter by Harris Andrews.
We won’t let that happen again.
We had more ball, more contested poll, more tackles i50 and more i50.
It was winnable but they took their chances and deserved the win.
I’d love another crack at them in 3 weeks with Lynch in our side.
Very good post HRT :thumbsup
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Shane Crawford warned the Tigers need to get their "undisciplined" play into line if they're to reach their potential in their AFL finals campaign.
"I still think they're capable of winning the flag," he said.
"Those undisciplined acts have got to get out of the team. Giving away one 50 [metre penalty] really hurts, especially when it results in a goal, but giving away four...that's just not allowed. It's undisciplined.
"It doesn't look good from a coaching point of view. They've got to go hard at the footy, don't get caught up in it and play their own style.
"When they're up and about and with Lynch coming back in, they're going to be very very hard to beat."
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/afl-st-kilda-saints-v-richmond-tigers-paddy-ryder-injury-ben-long-jake-carlisle/422c5f4b-9a5d-463f-9b58-1fdc7770c4bb
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Watched the highlights again one thing that hasn't been mentioned much is our poor delivery in the forward 50.Andrews had a picnic and co were just bombing it long at times giving the footy away.
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Coaches votes (Hardwick & Fagan)
BRISBANE v RICHMOND
10 Daniel Rich (BL)
6 Charlie Cameron (BL)
6 Harris Andrews (BL)
6 Hugh McCluggage (BL)
2 Jarryd Lyons (BL)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/514802/aflca-gary-ayres-award-perfect-10-for-lions-veteran-superstar-eagle
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Footy Classified's review our Qualifying final:
* Brisbane were able to counter our ability to intercept mark. Cameron and Hipwood pushed high forcing Grimes and Balta to go with them and preventing them being able to get back and intercept mark.
Richmond's intercept marks stats:
2020 average +14.5
R10 2020 vs Bris +14.0
QF 2019 vs Bris +20.0
QF 2020 vs Bris -8.0
* Richmond were off in terms of their usual discipline and focus:
"I thought they lost the plot." - @matthewlloyd18 and @kanecornes take a look at Richmond's ill-discipline on Friday night v Brisbane.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1313073707670286337
- Lloyd said Hardwick has been to so many finals that how did he forget to turn up to the national anthem. You don't see such a mistake from Richmond when they are on and focused. Caro said she doesn't mean to pick on Tim Livingstone again but she has mentioned before these issues seem to be stemming from having a rookie footy manager at Richmond this year. Coaches can be on edge and go crazy at times so the footy manager should have made sure the coach was at the national anthem when he should have been.
- Lloyd went through each 50m penalty we gave away. Lloyd said Dusty and Bolton would've known there was a free against. Caro thought the one against Dusty was stiff. Cornes thought the Bolton one involving McInerney on the ground was the softest of the four and probably not there. Lloyd said Pickett's one was just dumb.
- While not costing 50, Lloyd also singled out Cotch's high tackle on Lyons as just a poorly attempted tackle and you need to be better than that.
- Cornes was more concerned with the lack of basic tactical discipline in play:
1) Rich's first goal - no Tiger on or even near Rich despite him standing next to McCluggage for a long time.
2) Cameron's 3rd goal - Grimes left Cameron to go to the contest but didn't impact on it which allowed Cameron to goal.
3) Bailey's goal - similar to Cameron's. Grimes leaves Bailey, fails to spoil and impact the contest which allowed Bailey to goal.
Cornes said that's 3 conceded goals just there alone that Richmond can go away and fix.
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Craig McRae's review:
Tough night at the office
“We reviewed the game yesterday and there is a lot of things that we just normally expect to see from a Richmond side, and we went away from those things. Credit to Brisbane they were outstanding in a lot of areas but we went back over the tapes individually yesterday and just thought there is so much growth still left in us which is exciting.”
Connection with forwards lacking
“It’s been a bit of an issue for most of the year to be honest. There’s a couple of parts to it; the patterning from our forwards which we can do better, but (also) just the execution was really poor on the night in particular. We gave away a lot of unforced errors and we addressed that yesterday as well, we will be working on that during the week.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/822957/coaches-corner-qualifying-final
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Connection with forwards lacking
“It’s been a bit of an issue for most of the year to be honest. There’s a couple of parts to it; the patterning from our forwards which we can do better, but (also) just the execution was really poor on the night in particular. We gave away a lot of unforced errors and we addressed that yesterday as well, we will be working on that during the week.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/822957/coaches-corner-qualifying-final
We've had a few games this year where we have dominated inside 50s yet struggled to score. Usually it has been against bottom sides (eg: Swans & Freo) who flooded back while we continued to lazily bomb it in to our out-numbered tall forwards. It happened again on Friday night for the first 10 mins of the second quarter. Brisbane were forced to put numbers behind the ball and we kept just bombing it long rather than lowering the eyes or switch kicking quickly across the arc. Then when the momentum turned thanks to the 50s which gifted Brisbane goals they started to get on top in the midfield which meant we had to start attacks from defence. As others have said, we blew the match in that 2nd quarter.
The other issue is our small forwards aren't consistently scaring opposition defences anymore either on the scoreboard or with their forward defensive pressure. George has had an ordinary 2020, Aarts was promising in his first months or so of games but has fallen away, while Rioli has fleeting moments during games. Bolton would've come into the year as a small forward option but he's now a midfielder. If Harris Andrews was spoiling longer than usual then our smalls needed to adjust. There were a number of times when there front and square opportunities against the Lions but none of our smalls were there.
Another thing that disappeared from our repertoire on Friday night was long goals. Sure we usually get our goals from close in but when the opposition are out-numbering or on top of our forwards then it's an alternative avenue to goal and a way of spreading out the opposition zone. Brisbane nailed a few from downtown while aside from Kmac's goal from 45 out in the first qtr I can't think of one other long-ish goal we kicked and the only other attempt was by Dusty which he sprayed OOTF. In a two-goal game it was costly.
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- Cornes was more concerned with the lack of basic tactical discipline in play:
1) Rich's first goal - no Tiger on or even near Rich despite him standing next to McCluggage for a long time.
2) Cameron's 3rd goal - Grimes left Cameron to go to the contest but didn't impact on it which allowed Cameron to goal.
3) Bailey's goal - similar to Cameron's. Grimes leaves Bailey, fails to spoil and impact the contest which allowed Bailey to goal.
Cornes said that's 3 conceded goals just there alone that Richmond can go away and fix.
As much as I hate to agree with Cornes, I see these example as more a sign of our lack of discipline during the game than the 50s (two of which were due to poor umpiring ::)). The players would know well Dimma hates giving up defensive stoppage goals and we gave up at least three (Cameron twice & Bailey) :banghead. Then add the 5 goals from free kicks plus Nank's brainfade handball attempt in defence that gifted Cameron his first and that's 9 of Brisbane's 10 goals due to our own stupid avoidable schoolboy errors :facepalm.
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Yep so let’s don’t crap the bed over it. It won’t happen again