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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2020, 04:51:58 PM »
Who will win? Week 1 Finals tips and predictions

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30 September 2020




Friday, 7:50pm, Gabba

Making a case for the Lions

Yes, Richmond has beaten Brisbane 15 times in a row and yes some veteran Tigers have gone their entire careers without experiencing a loss to the Lions and yes they’re up against the dominant finals team of the last four years, but that doesn’t mean the Lions can’t flip the script.

When they met in last year’s Qualifying Final, the Lions kicked 8.17 to Richmond’s 18.4. They led at quarter-time and had enough scoring shots to drastically alter the result, but couldn’t capitalise on their opportunities.

That trend has continued throughout the 2020 season with Brisbane being one of the least accurate teams in front of goal. With a bit of luck and big-moment execution, they could give themselves a huge boost against their bogey match-up.

Richmond crushed Brisbane earlier in the year, but the same problem arose again, with the Lions kicking 4.17 to Richmond’s 12.10. It seems a simple thing to bring up, but the Tigers have forced Brisbane into taking tougher and wider shots, denying them the corridor and taking their style away from them.

Another key factor is Dustin Martin, who has made a habit of feasting on the Lions throughout his career. He’s kicked 14 goals in his last four games against them and found as much of the footy as he has pleased. A potential tagging role for someone like Mitch Robinson or Jarryd Lyons could at least disrupt the two-time Norm Smith Medallist. Whether making Dusty mad is a good strategy or not, who knows, but sending Robinson to him to do so seems worth a shot.

With Tom Lynch officially out, the Lions must get creative with Harris Andrews. Andrews would have been forced to man Lynch tightly, but he can now delegate the Jack Riewoldt match-up to Darcy Gardiner and fill dangerous space. Send him to someone like Jake Aarts and allow Andrews to read the flight of the ball and pick off the Tigers’ forward thrusts.

Brisbane must get aggressive and take the fight to a team that has completely owned them for a decade if they are to have any chance of winning. There’s no point talking about playing their way or backing in their system because, frankly, the Tigers have blown it away more times than they can count.

- Nic Negrepontis

Making a case for the Tigers

Richmond enters a fourth straight Qualifying Final and the second in a row against the Lions in Brisbane.

The venue and the opposition hold no fears for the Tigers who have beaten Brisbane in their last 15 meetings and have not lost at the Gabba in nine attempts, dating back to their last loss here in 2004.

Clearly, a one-off final in isolation is much more difficult to assess than a simple head-to-head equation but there’s no hiding away from their recent dominance.

Damien Hardwick has some selection headaches to worry about with key forward Tom Lynch ruled out and reigning best and fairest Dion Prestia available to return having not played since Round 5 due to a syndesmosis injury. If the Tigers bring in both Prestia and Shai Bolton, which is expected, they will need to make a decision on two players who were in the 22 that beat Adelaide in Round 18.

Youngster Jack Ross looks the obvious to come out while it remains to be seen if Mabior Chol or Josh Caddy will keep their position, given Lynch’s absence calls for a forward to play.

Regardless of that, the Tigers are still dangerous in attack, especially if their midfield is deepened by the likely inclusions. That will provide the chance for Dustin Martin to spend more time forward and we all know what he is capable of when that is the case.

Richmond is the most organised team in the competition from a defensive viewpoint and will have things set up to deny the Lions in attack, while supplying pressure at ground level that will cause turnovers, which is their bread and butter.

At their best, the Tigers will be too imperious for the Lions, and even if slightly off their game, they still have the quality to win. Brisbane will need to improve greatly from their recent encounters, especially in front of goal.

While there is no doubting it will be hot from the start, as it should be in a massive final with so much at stake, the Tigers have the experience and finals know-how to navigate the Lions successfully and book a fourth Preliminary Final in four years.

- Andrew Slevison

Overall prediction: Richmond by 22 points.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/09/30/who-will-win-week-1-finals-tips-and-predictions/

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2020, 01:26:52 AM »
Ross Lyon and Matthew Lloyd's preview on Footy Classified:

               Brisbane       Richmond
Attack      3rd (in AFL)    5th
Defence    7th                2nd

Brisbane stats              WINS        R10 vs Richmond
Forward half gains        +2.3            -11
Time in forward half      +7 mins       -2.25 mins
Pressure gauge             1.80            1.59


Richmond forward line match-ups

    Rioli            Riewoldt          Castagna   
  Ah Chee        Andrews          Starcevich

  Lambert         Martin             Aarts
  Birchall         Gardiner            Rich

                       Chol
                      Lester

Richmond's forwards have got Brisbane's defenders for pace.

Richmond's ability to transition from defence to forward is the best in the league, and this is why...
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1311283905639710721

Odds (PointsBet)
Richmond  $1.75
Brisbane   $2.05



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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2020, 02:43:00 PM »
MEGA-PREVIEW: Lions v Tigers, stats that matter, who wins and why

The Lions are looking to break a 15-game hoodoo against the reigning premiers - can they do it?

By Michael Whiting
afl.com.au
October 1, 2020


SUMMARY

Brisbane could not be better placed to break its drought over premier Richmond, coming into the finals on the back of a seven-game winning streak. However, all the pressure will be on the home team, trying to not only learn the harsh lessons from a straight games' finals exit last year, but also snap a 15-game losing streak to the Tigers. This is a rematch of last year's qualifying final, won handsomely by Richmond.

WHERE AND WHEN: the Gabba, Friday October 2, 7.50pm AEST

WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR?

Round 10: Richmond 12.10 (82) d Brisbane 4.17 (41)
As the scoreline suggests, the Lions were guilty of frittering away chances in front of goal and the Tigers did not need a second invitation. Jack Riewoldt and Tom Lynch kicked seven goals between them and Dustin Martin and Shai Bolton were prolific midfield performers as the premier punished a wasteful Brisbane for the second straight time.

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

Brisbane

Although it preaches team defence, someone has to be responsible for Dustin Martin when he goes forward. The dual Norm Smith medalist ripped the corresponding game apart with six goals last year and has often feasted against the Lions. Darcy Gardiner, or more likely Brandon Starcevich, should get the nod there. Brisbane will not want to get caught up in Richmond's helter-skelter style, so don't be surprised if they slow the ball movement down, particularly if it concedes successive goals.

Richmond

The Tigers have killed their counterparts on turnover the past couple of matches, taking advantage of a Lions' defensive unit that really tries to compress the ground. Any turnover is countered by two to three forward handballs into the corridor and away the Tigers go. Noah Balta may be the least experienced of the key backline players, but he kept Eric Hipwood to just six disposals in round 10, so watch for him to get the initial match-up against the Lions spearhead.

WHAT THE STATS SAY

1. Richmond has the perfect record at the Gabba in the past decade – 7-0 against the Lions and 9-0 overall (including wins over Sydney and Gold Coast this season). Its average winning margin over that stretch has been 39 points a game.

2. The Tigers don't care too much for clearances. They are ranked 17th in the competition for clearance differential and 16th for scores from stoppages. They do however score more points than any other team from turnovers.

3. When Brisbane kicks the ball inside its forward 50 it wants Dayne Zorko doing so. The Lions retain the ball 62.5 percent of the time and take a mark 31.3 percent of the time when their skipper does so – ranking No.1 in both measures of the top 50 players for total kicks into the forward 50.

4. Nick Vlastuin is a Tiger to keep an eye on. Vlastuin won a tick over seven intercept possessions a game this season, third in the competition, and just more than three intercept marks a game, good enough for fourth in the AFL.

5. Former No.1 draft pick Cam Rayner comes into these finals as the biggest improving Lion over the past month. Rayner has gone from an average of 6.2 AFL Player Ratings points a game in the first 13 matches to 10.1 over the past four.

IT'S A BIG WEEK FOR …

Brisbane

Brisbane doesn't need him to have a big game to win, but success for Charlie Cameron against the Tigers – a team he has battled with – would give the home team a huge lift. Like many of his teammates, goalkicking has let the 2019 All Australian down against the Tigers in recent meetings.

Richmond

Perhaps more the icing on the cake, but it's a big ask that your first game since round five is a qualifying final, however, that's what Dion Prestia faces after recovering from his syndesmosis injury. If anyone can handle it though, it's the super-fit midfield dynamo who won the Tigers' best and fairest in 2019.

PREDICTION:

Richmond by 11 points. A proven record of pressuring for longer and taking its chances.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/511675/mega-preview-lions-v-tigers-stats-that-matter-who-wins-and-why

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2020, 02:59:51 PM »
Did anyone see lions practice sledging today in training in case we do it seems like there playing this game in there heads.

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2020, 04:21:44 PM »
Did anyone see lions practice sledging today in training in case we do it seems like there playing this game in there heads.
They are blaming their poor goalkicking on our sledging :lol.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/afl-dayne-zorko-says-the-lions-expect-richmond-players-to-get-stuck-in-to-them-about-their-goal-kicking-in-the-increased-pressure-of-a-final-ng-6d2c77b0153fe3452c8f98db21cf9874


I love this bit too.

Zorko has played in 11 of Brisbane’s 15 successive losses to the Tigers.

“You don’t want to lose but I feel like we’re getting closer, and what better opportunity do we have than (Friday) night to reverse that,” he said.

“We haven’t really spoken about that this week


Nah they haven't really spoken about it except for talking about it in the media every day this week :rollin.

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2020, 06:07:02 PM »
Did the play the Tiger theme song over the ground speakers as well?
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2020, 08:08:31 PM »
Did the play the Tiger theme song over the ground speakers as well?
:lol

They already have their own mini-bus ;D.
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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2020, 09:12:29 PM »
Returning best-and-fairest winner Dion Prestia said a documentary on the 1985 Super Bowl champions Chicago Bears and their miserly defence was also shown …

Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-coach-damien-hardwicks-weekly-gifts-have-focused-on-the-nfl-as-the-tigers-pick-up-key-messages-from-americas-sporting-giants/news-story/78a16583944e611a68f13eae11297865

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #53 on: October 02, 2020, 05:07:41 AM »
Qualifying finals forecast: Brisbane versus Richmond
 
Marnie Cohen
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October 2, 2020


Is anyone else having deja vu?

The second-placed Brisbane are hosting the third-placed Richmond in the qualifying final at the Gabba. I’ve seen this one before. Thirteen months ago to be exact.

Last season, the Lions bolted into second spot on the ladder and played in their first final series in a decade. The rise was exciting and the hype around Chris Fagan’s men was infectious.

But they just couldn’t match it with an experienced Richmond outfit or a fearless GWS side. The Lions lost both matches and were out of the finals in straight sets.

If 2019 was a practice run, will they be able to take the leap this season? Will they be able to back up their brilliant 2019 and 2020 home-and-away seasons with a win on the big stage?

The answer is that they should be able to, but there is one thing standing in their way.

Let’s address the elephant in the room.

Brisbane have lost their previous 15 games to Richmond, their opponents this evening, including last year’s qualifying final. The Tigers won that game by 47 points.

Brisbane are a good side. They’ve proven that by finishing in the top two for a couple of seasons in a row. But it’s so hard to tip them when they are on the wrong end of the competition’s longest losing streak.

It’s equally hard to tip against Richmond, who are proving to be a real premiership threat once again.

The Tigers finished third at the end of both the 2017 and 2019 home-and-away seasons, and we know how both of those stories ended.

I covered Richmond a few weeks ago ahead of their game with fellow top-four finisher Geelong.

I questioned whether or not I over-hyped the Tigers because of how well they have performed over the previous three seasons and clearly I got that one wrong.

They are obviously a very strong side and I am not prepared to argue that again.

But I’ve done a little digging and a little thinking as to what made me jump to that conclusion and it wasn’t until the All Australian team was announced last week that I realised where I had allowed my judgment to lead me down the wrong path.

All the top-four sides have a pretty good chance at winning the flag. Port Adelaide, Brisbane, Richmond and Geelong have all had outstanding seasons and each have their own strengths that make them genuine premiership contenders.

When the All Australian squad was announced last Tuesday, Geelong and Port Adelaide each boasted five nominees, making up one quarter of the squad between them. Brisbane and Richmond weren’t far behind them with three apiece.

As for the final 22, Port Adelaide and Geelong made up over a quarter of the team with three representatives each. The Tigers had one: Dustin Martin.

Despite Richmond being one of the most threatening sides in the competition, there’s no one player that is responsible for that. It’s truly a team effort.

Yes, Martin is brilliant and one of the best players I’ve seen for a really long time. But he’s not always the difference.

All sides have brilliant individuals, but not all sides have depth like the Tigers. Not all sides have talent that runs beyond their best five or eight players.

I can’t quite pinpoint the brilliance of this team and that’s what makes them stand out above the rest. It’s what has allowed them to achieve a top-four finish for the fourth season running.

Here I am thinking that I’ve overhyped Richmond because I just talk about how good they are as a collective without mentioning too many players individually aside from Martin.

But that right there is what makes them brilliant. Their depth and ability to seamlessly slot players into the line-up when required is truly remarkable.

Each week, they are bringing new talent to the table from nowhere. You’ve got to be pretty confident in your own team and their ability if you are happy to bring in a debutant for a grand final last season.

It’s a rare thing to have so many men constantly step up and play for their spot week in, week out. These are the players making the difference.

And they could be the ones making the difference tonight. That battle for selection is really heating up. Just ask Josh Caddy.

The cult hero has been dropped ahead of tonight’s match, as he makes way for 2019 best and fairest winner Dion Prestia and young gun Shai Bolton.

The Tigers will be without star forward Tom Lynch, however, who is still sidelined with a hamstring injury.

Brisbane will also be boosted by the return of two of their stars. All Australian full back Harris Andrews and gun midfielder Jarrod Berry are both ready and raring to go.

As for the result? Will it also be a case of deja vu? I think so.

Richmond look good and seriously mean business come September. Given their current form, combined with their winning streak against Brisbane, it’s hard to tip against them.

That’s my qualifying final forecast. What’s yours?

https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/10/02/qualifying-finals-forecast-brisbane-versus-richmond/

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2020, 01:52:58 PM »
Got to be at our best tonight's game and strong whole team ethic Lions will come out so need to weather the storm.Get game on our terms.Important that the pressure and tackling intensity is on the  ball carrier there ranked 16th for turnovers and use our speed run and carry.Forward entry has to be precise and we need to make Andrews accountable not allow him to mop up.Chol all he needs to do is stay involved in the game help Nank and rotate up forward giving us a target while Jack and Co do there work.Need a few goals from midfield  to.Super important to win some clearance which I think now we're better to do with Bolton, Titch ,Prestia back.

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2020, 03:08:22 PM »
ROB HARDING'S IN-DEPTH PREVIEW OF BRISBANE'S QUALIFYING FINAL CLASH AGAINST RICHMOND

BY ROB HARDING
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October 2, 2020


Last three meetings

2020 Round 10: Richmond 12.10.82 d. Brisbane 4.17.41 (41 points). Metricon Stadium (N)

2019 QF: Richmond 18.4.112 d. Brisbane 8.17.65 (47 points). Gabba (N)

2019 Round 23: Richmond 12.10.82 d. Brisbane 8.7.55 (27 points). MCG (D)

Last Time They Met

A Tuesday night match up at the Gabba saw the Lions off a four day break against the Tigers off a six day break.

As in their previous meeting in the 2019 Qualifying Final, accuracy in front of goal played a major role, with the Lions kicking 4.17 from their 40 forward 50 entries.

In particular, the second and third quarters were costly, where the Lions kicked 1.12 to the Tigers' 6.3.

The Tigers' tall forwards were a strong presence all night, with Riewoldt and Lynch combining for seven goals.

What Brisbane do well

The Lions are a well balanced team in attack, preferring to shift the ball back through the corridor, but capable of kicking long down the line and attacking through contest, on the back of their strong ball-winning midfield.

The Lions have generated the second-most inside 50s, third most marks inside forward 50, and are the number one team for scoring from forward-half intercepts in 2020.

While the Lions are the best in the AFL for generating scores from their forward 50 entries, they are the worst at goalkicking accuracy.

Defensively, the Lions are quick to snap into defence on turnover, defending short options and taking away their opponent's ability to control the ball through mark chains.

What Richmond do well

Richmond have the best collection of hard running midfielders and half forwards in the game.

Their elite work rate allows the Tigers to repeat outnumber, from contest to contest across the field, and their frenetic pace burns opposition teams into the ground.

At stoppages, Richmond will often bring one or two forwards up, with Martin having the licence to sprint forward and provide a dangerous attacking option.

Opposition teams can get caught in the chaos of either handing over opponents or maintaining a spare behind the ball at stoppages. The spare is often then swamped by the charge of Tiger half forward resetting towards goal.

The Tigers backs maintain good shape behind the ball but will work together to support when required. Their communication and instruction from behind the ball is first class, and creates doubt in the opposition ball carriers mind, which buys time for Tigers mids and forwards to pressure.

This year the Tigers are number one for scores from turnover differential and number one for time in forward half.

Something to watch for

The working theory against Richmond is that they want a chaos game, and to avoid a chaos game, you must control the ball against them.

The Lions are capable of doing that, they are a kick/mark team, but as Geelong found in Round 17, the Tigers will tease wide and backwards kicks then shut down any forward progress.

The Tigers get their outnumber from half forwards pushing up the ground, while holding one midfielder in the corridor (often Cotchin) as a release player on turnover.

Can the Lions make use of their extra midfielder in long down the line situations and keep the ball surging forward? Winning or forcing a stoppage in those situations will be an absolute must for the Lions midfield.

One more thing – Richmond have only lost 15 of their last 66 games (with one draw), since the 2017 Premiership. One chink in their armour is that tall forwards have had an impact in their losses. Think Mason Cox in the 2018 PF, Jenkins and Walker combining for 9 goals in early 2018, Cameron and Finlayson combining for 12 in early 2019.

Can Andrews, McInerney and McStay win their aerial battle in the Lions forward half?

And if they do, can the Lions put their accuracy woes to bed early?

Prediction

The Tigers have been the best team of the last four seasons, and have won their last 15 against the Lions.

That said, Brisbane will feel that the 40+ point margins of their last two meetings weren’t an accurate reflection of how close the two sides really were.

Still, it’s impossible to go past the Tigers, and they should get home in a close one.

Richmond by 10 points.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/02/rob-hardings-in-depth-preview-of-brisbanes-qualifying-final-clash-against/

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2020, 03:08:54 PM »
THE AREA BRISBANE CAN'T MUCK UP AGAINST RICHMOND ... AGAIN

BY SEN
October 2, 2020


Australian football Hall of Famer Terry Wallace has run his eye over the huge Qualifying Final clash between Brisbane and Richmond.

The former Hawthorn star believes the Tigers are the better team and the Lions can’t waste their opportunities in front of goal as they have in recent encounters.

“Richmond to me are the most equipped team structurally wise and they’re a team that seem to be able to play any time, anywhere and any conditions,” Wallace told SEN’s Dwayne’s World.

“What we’ve got to find out about Brisbane, to me they’re still an improving team, what did they learn from their two finals losses last year and how much growth have they got.

“I think the injuries to Harris Andrews and Jarrod Berry and even Charlie Cameron who’s come back to a little bit better form, but we still haven’t seen the best of Charlie Cameron in the back half of the year.

“You’d like to see those three guys all up and fit coming into this finals series.

“They played two finals last year where they kicked 4.10 in the first half against Richmond and 4.10 in the second half against GWS. They did it again earlier (in 2020) against Richmond again.

“They can’t afford to be mucking up opportunities in this game.”

If the Lions can’t get through Richmond, Wallace is backing them in to defeat the winner of St Kilda and the Bulldogs.

“I can’t see Brisbane going out in straight sets this time around. I just think that they’re more mature, I think the growth in them is there, the home ground advantage factor is there,” Wallace said.

“If they can’t get it done against Richmond, who are my number one seed, I wouldn’t like to be playing (Brisbane) if they get beaten again, so that would be their third lost final in a row, I wouldn’t want to be playing them next week in a final because I just can’t see this side going out in straight sets.

“I think they’re playing the best (Richmond) and I’ll be sticking with the best until I see something different. Richmond over a four-year period and in finals have been the best, so until I see something change, I’m sticking with them.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/02/the-area-brisbane-cant-muck-up-against-richmond-again/

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2020, 03:10:29 PM »
“Last year we actually did a really good job on Martin (in the midfield) and he had to go forward, but then he ended up kicking (six) goals and we probably didn’t plan for that,” Zorko said earlier this week.

“We’ve planned a little bit harder this time in all different scenarios and we still back our whole team defence to get the job done on him.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/operation-stop-dusty-why-lions-need-to-curb-richmond-stars-impact/news-story/cdc0d1bfa1ebe98bb5fb9e6f25795ad8

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2020, 05:26:59 PM »
Brisbane are trying hard to convince themselves

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Re: Richmond vs Brisbane @ the 'Gabba --- 2nd Qualifying Final, 2020
« Reply #59 on: October 02, 2020, 07:12:59 PM »
Firstly - I truly think this is the most flawed AFL season on record. 16 minute quarters etc , it’s a farce.

HOWEVER

I don’t think a flag could give a team more vindication and legacy for an era than us winning this flag.

Blessed by the draw other years at the MCG etc , all the rubbish from the haters. This year there will be nothing for the others to sook about , we will win on merit

It starts tonight

Go Tiges !!!