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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on May 07, 2021, 11:53:32 PM
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Not only tonight but our small & half-forwards have been bloody ordinary so far this year. The past 3 weeks against top 4 sides have really shown them up. We haven't been able to stop the ball exiting and rebounding out of our forward line as quickly as it enters and ending up in the opposition's F50 unless Lynch & Jack mark everything (second half vs Dogs) and the ball doesn't come to ground. What use to be our strength is now a major issue. They are too often lost in no man's land and nowhere near front and square for the fall of the ball.
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We need fresh blood in there.
Dimma made a comment about Dan Rioli a few weeks ago - how mentally draining it is to play that role for us.
He’s right and at the moment, the entire fleet of small forwards look mentally spent.
I think we all know that it’s time for MRJ to play. I’m not sure we have a second option to bring into the small forward role in the 2’s?
Is it time to give a young mid that role?
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The only other small forwards option I see in the VFL at the moment is Stack.
He also offers the option of sending him back if we change things up.
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Change it up you can clearly see its not working personal or system has to change.
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We don't need three of them now...we barely need two permanent ones...we need another tall and probably a medium too (who isn't slow like Caddy)...if they're not applying any defensive pressure or regularly crumbing goals what's the point of them...prefer to just have Rioli -either one- up there with others like Baker, Lambert, Stack and even Short rotating through....actually the eventual ideal set up for me is MJ forward , Daniel on the wing....Baker & Stack playing both ends and swapping around..... Castagna & Aarts can stuff off back to the VFL ..preferably at another club... :shh
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Big concern for us the smalls.
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Been saying it for ages weDont need any of them.
Want a good sized medium genuine fwd in the fwd half give Ralphsmith a game BLOODY QUICK AS WELL. could also play him wing or h/b if we want.. Play ccj ffs it has been smacking them in the face and still no second ruck/fwd.
As others have said bring in stack theres more flexability ,we dont even need to do that when everyone is fit. Bolton Lambert Graham Edwards all say hello just rotate em thru there it aint rocket science.
To my way of thinking Aarts and Castagna have always needed to be looked upon as us needing longer term upgrades. This unfortunately now applies to Rioli as well he just has not come on in fact if any thing hes gone backwards.
Not playing rioli castagna Aarts means more mids can play and we obviously get more rotations.
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Clearly they are not dangerous and rarely kick goals. On the flip side they are performing their other roles well. Need a change.
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During our 3 in 4 years streak we have always done things our own unique way but we you look at all the other top 8 sides this year most are either playing 2 key forwards, 1 mid-sized forward and 2 small forwards or they are playing 3 talls & 2 smalls *.
Melbourne: 2-1-2 ....... McDonald & Brown, Fritsch, Pickett & Spargo.
Bulldogs: 2-1-2 ......... Naughton & Bruce, Hannan, McNeil & Scott.
Port Adel: 3-0-2 ......... Dixon, Marshall & Georgiades, -, Gray & Motlop.
Geelong: 2-1-2 ......... Hawkins & Cameron, Rohan, Close & Dahlhaus.
Brisbane: 3-0-2 ......... Daniher, Hipwood & McStay, -, Cameron & McCarthy.
Sydney: 2-1-2 ......... Franklin & Ried (inj) [currently McLean], Hayward, Papley & Wicks.
West Coast: 3-0-2 ....... Kennedy, Darling & Allen, -, Ah Chee & Petruccelle.
We are the only ones going with 2 talls and 3 smalls.
* Five forwards as the sixth forward usually pushes up into the midfield.
So if we were to go with a similar configuration as the other top 8 sides then one of our smalls goes out for either a tall (CCJ or Chol) or a midsized forward who is a good mark for their size (Caddy or Stack). CCJ would give us a second ruck option rotating with Nank and would be the frontrunner if we went down that path. Chol isn't aggressive and consistent enough for his size and blew his chance last year. Caddy is seen as too slow now although he did do the job as a midsized marking target in 2017. Stack isn't match fit yet.
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We need to change it up to static for me to predictable.Even why can't we bring in CCJ use him like we did Nank and Soldo combo resting up forward or downback etc and will help teams from double teaming our talls.
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Lynch plays in front v bulldogs leads and takes grabs eventually kicks some goals.
Lynch v Geelong drops marks and then plays from behind all game. How the hell is he supposed to take a grab from behind, hasn’t worked all season. :banghead
Sometimes he gives me the poos.
Get in front & Lead!
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Lynch plays in front v bulldogs leads and takes grabs eventually kicks some goals.
Lynch v Geelong drops marks and then plays from behind all game. How the hell is he supposed to take a grab from behind, hasn’t worked all season. :banghead
Sometimes he gives me the poos.
Get in front & Lead!
Totally agree.
He went back to bad Lynch on Friday.
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Lynch plays in front v bulldogs leads and takes grabs eventually kicks some goals.
Lynch v Geelong drops marks and then plays from behind all game. How the hell is he supposed to take a grab from behind, hasn’t worked all season. :banghead
Sometimes he gives me the poos.
Get in front & Lead!
So how do you think the smalls are going?
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Lynch plays in front v bulldogs leads and takes grabs eventually kicks some goals.
Lynch v Geelong drops marks and then plays from behind all game. How the hell is he supposed to take a grab from behind, hasn’t worked all season. :banghead
Sometimes he gives me the poos.
Get in front & Lead!
So how do you think the smalls are going?
Needs some serious work. It hasn’t been good. If they’re not kicking goals or front and centre for the crumbs they certainly should be chasing and pressuring in f50 so the ball doesn’t get out so easily.
I complain about Rioli most weeks he’s a very frustrating player to watch. Aarts is just an ordinary player who gets lucky sometimes.
Melbourne and Geelong games have clearly shown this particular issue is a major concern.
I called for Castagna to be dropped this week.
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The only other small forwards option I see in the VFL at the moment is Stack.
He also offers the option of sending him back if we change things up.
Agree.
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Been saying it for ages weDont need any of them.
Want a good sized medium genuine fwd in the fwd half give Ralphsmith a game BLOODY QUICK AS WELL. could also play him wing or h/b if we want.. Play ccj ffs it has been smacking them in the face and still no second ruck/fwd.
As others have said bring in stack theres more flexability ,we dont even need to do that when everyone is fit. Bolton Lambert Graham Edwards all say hello just rotate em thru there it aint rocket science.
To my way of thinking Aarts and Castagna have always needed to be looked upon as us needing longer term upgrades. This unfortunately now applies to Rioli as well he just has not come on in fact if any thing hes gone backwards.
Not playing rioli castagna Aarts means more mids can play and we obviously get more rotations.
So no biggie, just totally change our entire game plan that has won us 3 flags, in Round 9.
Yeah, nah.
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Game plan means Jack Shyte if the smalls aren't applying pressure and sticking tackles.... :shh
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Been saying it for ages weDont need any of them.
Want a good sized medium genuine fwd in the fwd half give Ralphsmith a game BLOODY QUICK AS WELL. could also play him wing or h/b if we want.. Play ccj ffs it has been smacking them in the face and still no second ruck/fwd.
As others have said bring in stack theres more flexability ,we dont even need to do that when everyone is fit. Bolton Lambert Graham Edwards all say hello just rotate em thru there it aint rocket science.
To my way of thinking Aarts and Castagna have always needed to be looked upon as us needing longer term upgrades. This unfortunately now applies to Rioli as well he just has not come on in fact if any thing hes gone backwards.
Not playing rioli castagna Aarts means more mids can play and we obviously get more rotations.
So no biggie, just totally change our entire game plan that has won us 3 flags, in Round 9.
Yeah, nah.
LMFAO some really do get suckered into the club spiel.
Any way here goes Aarts has not played in a flag and im quite sure we would have won the others if Castagna and Rioli were there or not.
Boy oh boy the silliness just never stops around here.
Here we have Rioli spending lots of time further up the ground and we still dont get many tackles we dont get many disposals yet alone effective ones kicking goals nope always been on the lean side with that one. Always slowing the play down.
What we do get is a bloke who guards space lol, who chases tail always second to the ball. He runs hard up and down the ground always a bit late to a contest or player to have any real influence and when he does get there his tackles are useless. Yet because of this his Pressure stats are trumped up. Most stats not worth unless they are used correctly.
Been like this for a long time now and still supporters defend him to the hilt.
It is total baloney that the club only play him to guard space or run hard. It is pie in the sky stuff that we cannot find players who do both the attacking and defensive aspects of the game. i sometimes think some supporters just blindly lap up what ever spiel the club puts forth. All i can say is open your eyes and open your minds to both the good and the bad.
Hmm two small fwds needed. id play when fit two of Edwards Bolton Lambert Graham Stack and most certainly give Ralphsmith or Cumberland a run thru there.The last two cannot do any worse than the three protected species.
We do play two ruckmen when we are fit Soldo and Nankervis say hello. so why dont we do it now. instead of a pure ruckman Soldo injured, CC-J A fWD /RUCK.
Give me the following any yr every day of the week over the likes of Aarts Rioli Castagna.
CC-J - Riewoldt - Edwards
Bolton - Lynch - Ralphsmith. With rotations Lambert, Graham , Stack, Dusty.
all the smalls and mediums would be expected to do what the other three do defensively. What they do is not some sort of footy panacea its something that is expected of all our players. Edwards and Bolton do it now but they also impact games same goes for Lambert and Graham when forward they defend but also impact .
There has always been room for improvement looking at the small fwds we have and how we go about it is one area.
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Huge room for improvement from small forwards, but we directly conceded 8 goals from back 50 turnovers on Friday night. Changing small forwards will do nothing to stop that.
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Huge room for improvement from small forwards, but we directly conceded 8 goals from back 50 turnovers on Friday night. Changing small forwards will do nothing to stop that.
It might help us kick a decent score. It wasnt just the ball coming out that was poor on friday.But hey just focus on that if you like.
People have complained all year even when we win about the forward half. The talls, in particular Lynch has copped it, at least he can say you do better trying to beat two or three every time it comes in on top of your head. You dont think hes not peeed off when he battles two or three opponents and brings it to ground only for the smalls not to be seen or when they are seen totally stuff it up for a lack of class. FMD I HOPE LIKE HELL WE ARE LOOKING FOR UPGRADES.
The lack of effort and hunger with Rioli is very evident and Castagna is Castagna a total lack of class was always going to mean a limited role and out come most of the time.
Its all good when the system is going alright and the better players make it easy for em but we see all the time not just this year what happens when these things dont occur.
We really should be looking at the weak links even if they perform a role and look to find better even if its a small upgrade.
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Again nowhere to be seen at the fall of the ball and again the opposition slice us open from our D50 under no pressure.
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Rioli shouldn't just be dropped, he is delist material
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He owes it to Bolton to lift his game
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Rioli shouldn't just be dropped, he is delist material
Good call, his fall from grace has been stark
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Big concern for me not even doing the basics tackling and locking the ball up let alone kicking goals.
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Thought Castagna got more involved this week getting up the ground a bit to create an option and was able to take 8 marks. His defensive pressure was pretty good especially the second half as the whole team lifted.
Rioli effectively played 1 quarter of footy so that last quarter was good. If he played like that for four quarters we’d have a very good player unfortunately it’s not good enough.
The kids Aarts is not much chop but he consistently impacts more than the other two this season. Shows he has better work ethic and gives more despite his limitations. Can’t wait to see MRJ instead have no clue when he will be ready.
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Was still heart in mouth stuff whenever he got it but thought Cantkickit actually looked the best of small forwards in the guts..used his pace well...still like to see him tried in a shut down role if Hardwick ever changes his mind on playing a tagger.. :shh
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Smashed again at ground level in our forward line because our small forwards are in no man's land rather than being front and square to our tall forwards. Schoolboy stuff! :banghead
This year has been like playing with two men down. Did George & Aarts play tonight? ::)
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Exactly MT.
Why not try Parker and Caddy instead of George and Aarts.
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I can replace George and Aarts with two players from the local state competitions.
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CCJ is still 50 games away from being a competitive player who wins you games. He doesn't make enough body contact yet. Chooses bad options etc. I see potential but he's not there yet.
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Cumberland should come in this week for George, just a passenger at the moment
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parker not playing is the biggest disappointment for me. Not that i rate him or anything else.
You have your season on the line and aarts and george have combined to do sfa as they are both weak as pee. Cotchin getting smahed in the middle.
Then you have a bloke who tackles and has played games and he is left out?
Dimma has made some big mistakes this year and this is one. Why recruit the guy in the first place.
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We desperately need a class medium/small forward like a Mason Wood type (just kidding) but seriously like a De Goey, Jamie Elliot as our small forwards are all just dogged defensive types at the moment. They lack goal kicking class and rarely kick big bags.
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We have potentially a legendary small forward in the making in MRJ! But yes our current stock is not cutting it
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We have potentially a legendary small forward in the making in MRJ! But yes our current stock is not cutting it
In the making…….
He’s not progressing as quick as I would’ve thought considering the hype prior to drafting.
He a tackling machine though which is a great start.
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He'll get there eventually I think - maybe not quite to his old man's ridiculously high level but people need to bear in mind that his old man was already 25 with 7 years in the WAFL under his belt when he first arrived at Richmond.... :shh
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Yeah I think MRJ is showing enough at the moment.
He has elite speed and is a good tackler.