Even for the most optimistic supporters I think the writing must be on the wall now. Timing your run still means winning games like Carlton and Saints when you have handy leads in the 3rd quarter but we have clearly lost our ability to run out games against even modestly talented teams.
I suspect this is because the oldies are too old and the youngsters are too green or not good enough.
Lots of retirements and delistings should be on the agenda IMO. Even if we stagger the retirements I'd like to see something like this:
2022 retirements
Cotchin
Riewoldt
Edwards
2023 retirements
Lambert
Prestia (would like to negotiate an early retirement here)
Tarrant (going fine now but we need a kid here)
2022 delistings
RCD
Martyn
Aarts
Ross
Nyuon
Cumberland
Stack
Kids who need to have a shot at the expense of older blokes
Miller
Mansell
Rest of the 2021 draftees
Trade bait
Rioli
Castagna
Caddy
Unfortunately not a lot to get excited about IMO, bar Balta and Bolton. Both have flags and might look elsewhere.
Even for the most optimistic supporters I think the writing must be on the wall now. Timing your run still means winning games like Carlton and Saints when you have handy leads in the 3rd quarter but we have clearly lost our ability to run out games against even modestly talented teams.
We had key forwards in Chol and CCJ who were showing some promise
Our decision to overpay for the likes of Lynch and Prestia and continue to recycle hacks like Castagna, Aarts, Caddy et al together with refusing to retire our veterans like Riewoldt & Cotchin meant we had no money to hang onto the the likes of CCJ and Chol.
We are now paying for arrogant and short sighted list management decisions during the 4 years from 2017 to 2020
The complete lack of key forwards coming through is agitating. Makes it hard for the 2's to have a proper structure. Surely we could have binned the idea of drafting our 23rd half back flanker and got in a KPF. Assuming we will trade for one or have a dip in free agency.
Even for the most optimistic supporters I think the writing must be on the wall now. Timing your run still means winning games like Carlton and Saints when you have handy leads in the 3rd quarter but we have clearly lost our ability to run out games against even modestly talented teams.
I luv these sort of threads.
If another club happened to read them they would pee themselves silly at some of the suggestions. No one is giving anything for Castagna or Caddy
Also its pretty obvious you've got no idea when you are nominating Biggy and RCD for delisting. Biggy is going very nicely indeed.
Why are people delisting Cumberland all of a sudden? Like to see how he goes in the seniors first... :shh
...and Ryan's a project ruckman ffs...he's going to be given more than just two years...will probably get at least 4 and there will be plenty of ups & downs along the way like their usually is with those types....... :shh :shh
In fairness to Cumberland he was drafted 2019 just before covid struck and in amongst that he copped a serious knee injury.Why are people delisting Cumberland all of a sudden? Like to see how he goes in the seniors first... :shh
...and Ryan's a project ruckman ffs...he's going to be given more than just two years...will probably get at least 4 and there will be plenty of ups & downs along the way like their usually is with those types....... :shh :shh
Cumberland in his third season, so as I said before any of those kids that show a bit you'd keep but if they still haven't shown enough by the end of the year you'd have to ask the question.
Ryan has the best case for being retained (the tall excuse) but you'd want to see steady improvement despite brief down moments.
Not only are ppl here gutting our list, we are also getting rid of those who have set up our culture as well.
The complete lack of key forwards coming through is agitating. Makes it hard for the 2's to have a proper structure. Surely we could have binned the idea of drafting our 23rd half back flanker and got in a KPF. Assuming we will trade for one or have a dip in free agency.Not just key fwds if Miller plays seniors then there is only Nyuon. Same for ruckmen there is only Ryan atm.
They certainly need to be staggered, the way some are posting we should discard them all at the end of this yr Norf did that 2 yrs ago & look at them now, it'll take them years to get a culture etc going again. the ones who stay shouldn't be guaranteed games however.Not only are ppl here gutting our list, we are also getting rid of those who have set up our culture as well.
That's why you need to space them out a bit I suppose, but there is no way we can continue to carry that handful of older guys for more than a couple of years, three max.
I don't think all those kids need to be delisted at once but I haven't seen enough for me to be doing mid-year contracts just yet I suppose.
I agree with this but it is not beyond the realms of possibility that six could retire at the end of the season given given health injury and form issues without us tapping any of them on the shoulder.They certainly need to be staggered, the way some are posting we should discard them all at the end of this yr Norf did that 2 yrs ago & look at them now, it'll take them years to get a culture etc going again. the ones who stay shouldn't be guaranteed games however.Not only are ppl here gutting our list, we are also getting rid of those who have set up our culture as well.
That's why you need to space them out a bit I suppose, but there is no way we can continue to carry that handful of older guys for more than a couple of years, three max.
I don't think all those kids need to be delisted at once but I haven't seen enough for me to be doing mid-year contracts just yet I suppose.
Does anyone have the contract status of our main guys?
It would really hurt to see Prestia not finish out the year, though if it happens we need to do something. Having him and Dusty out walking laps doing sfa into next year is 2 Tom Greens not at our club. Prestia deserved his 2 years extension as it came on the back of a flag, but paying him 800k till he is 32 years old is crazy if he isn’t playing consistently.
Does anyone have the contract status of our main guys?
It would really hurt to see Prestia not finish out the year, though if it happens we need to do something. Having him and Dusty out walking laps doing sfa into next year is 2 Tom Greens not at our club. Prestia deserved his 2 years extension as it came on the back of a flag, but paying him 800k till he is 32 years old is crazy if he isn’t playing consistently.
Prestia is contracted until end 2024.
Was extended early 2020, then he went on to miss a lot of games.
At a minimum we should have waited until later in the year because he missed so much footy.
Not sure if he's on $800k until the very end but it's still a concern anyway, to be paying a guy that much when he can't play half a season. I suspect we will pay for these contracts for years beyond their completion (Lynch, and maybe Dusty also) however I guess that was the price of the dynasty and without those lucrative contracts we might not have had all 3 flags.
I agree with this but it is not beyond the realms of possibility that six could retire at the end of the season given given health injury and form issues without us tapping any of them on the shoulder.They certainly need to be staggered, the way some are posting we should discard them all at the end of this yr Norf did that 2 yrs ago & look at them now, it'll take them years to get a culture etc going again. the ones who stay shouldn't be guaranteed games however.Not only are ppl here gutting our list, we are also getting rid of those who have set up our culture as well.
That's why you need to space them out a bit I suppose, but there is no way we can continue to carry that handful of older guys for more than a couple of years, three max.
I don't think all those kids need to be delisted at once but I haven't seen enough for me to be doing mid-year contracts just yet I suppose.
Other than being decent blokes, what reasons can we offer for keeping the following on our list after this year?
Caddy
Edwards
Parker
Castagna
Aarts
RCD
Martyn
Cumberland
I suppose Biggie gets a reprieve because he's tall? Despite Gibcus demonstrating that talent shines through in spite of age and physical maturity.
Over the past few weeks my friends and i who attend the games have had many discussions on list management ,and i think my cousin summed it up perfectly recently.And my apologies to him if i dont get it all right ,but he said..."the bellies of our team are full ,theres no hunger left in this group,thus we are seeing the fumbles and the second to the contest ,things we arent used to ,or havent seen in nearly 5 years..
We also have to take into account the off field happenings.
1.Brendon gale is possibly going to take over as CEO of the AFL..hes certainly one of the clear favourites right now.
2.Peggy will retire from the club at seasons end(certainly no longer president)
3.Balmy is dealing with his health issues
4.Dimma has had to deal with his own off field issues of late.
Just maybe all the above have ever so slightly taken their eye off the task at hand.
Im speculating here thats all.the club has given an amazing ride the past few years and im forever grateful ,but certainly change is about to happen i thinks.lets sit tight and see what happens
Over the past few weeks my friends and i who attend the games have had many discussions on list management ,and i think my cousin summed it up perfectly recently.And my apologies to him if i dont get it all right ,but he said..."the bellies of our team are full ,theres no hunger left in this group,thus we are seeing the fumbles and the second to the contest ,things we arent used to ,or havent seen in nearly 5 years..
We also have to take into account the off field happenings.
1.Brendon gale is possibly going to take over as CEO of the AFL..hes certainly one of the clear favourites right now.
2.Peggy will retire from the club at seasons end(certainly no longer president)
3.Balmy is dealing with his health issues
4.Dimma has had to deal with his own off field issues of late.
Just maybe all the above have ever so slightly taken their eye off the task at hand.
Im speculating here thats all.the club has given an amazing ride the past few years and im forever grateful ,but certainly change is about to happen i thinks.lets sit tight and see what happens
Hunger or is just age the fact our best players cannot do what they used to do. I know we dont want to talk about that but its more likely than a loss of hunger
Agree life goes on, I think the club and playing group are in for big changes that will mean a rebuild . I hope we don’t go out and get older players and players who can’t get a game in the seniors at their current club, we tried that which resulted in 30 years plus waiting for a premiership and a lot of winning games at the end of the year so we finished 9th so Terry Wallet could get a contract extension.
Any chance of luring Jake Riccardi from GWS?
We need a player to take over from Riewoldt and we can keep Balta in defence.
Or Are there any other forwards not getting senior games for other teams?
Any chance of luring Jake Riccardi from GWS?
We need a player to take over from Riewoldt and we can keep Balta in defence.
Or Are there any other forwards not getting senior games for other teams?
Or Are there any other forwards not getting senior games for other teams?
Or Are there any other forwards not getting senior games for other teams?
Mason Cox :snidegrin