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Re: List management
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2022, 04:26:44 PM »
Even for the most optimistic supporters I think the writing must be on the wall now. Timing your run still means winning games like Carlton and Saints when you have handy leads in the 3rd quarter but we have clearly lost our ability to run out games against even modestly talented teams.


I luv these sort of threads.

If another club happened to read them they would pee themselves silly at some of the suggestions. No one is giving anything for Castagna or Caddy

Also its pretty obvious you've got no idea when you are nominating Biggy and RCD for delisting. Biggy is going very nicely indeed.

See my next post re: caddy.

George I reckon would get something but nothing huge.

Biggie going nicely huh? Wanna bookmark this? Because we just recruited Tarrant and Gibcus is getting games. Miller dropped. So it looks like biggie has at least 2 other kids ahead of him.

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Re: List management
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2022, 04:34:27 PM »
Why are people delisting Cumberland all of a sudden? Like to see how he goes in the seniors first... :shh

...and Ryan's a project ruckman ffs...he's going to be given more than just two years...will probably get at least 4 and there will be plenty of ups & downs along the way like their usually is with those types....... :shh :shh

Cumberland in his third season, so as I said before any of those kids that show a bit you'd keep but if they still haven't shown enough by the end of the year you'd have to ask the question.

Ryan has the best case for being retained (the tall excuse) but you'd want to see steady improvement despite brief down moments.

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Re: List management
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2022, 08:43:34 PM »
Why are people delisting Cumberland all of a sudden? Like to see how he goes in the seniors first... :shh

...and Ryan's a project ruckman ffs...he's going to be given more than just two years...will probably get at least 4 and there will be plenty of ups & downs along the way like their usually is with those types....... :shh :shh

Cumberland in his third season, so as I said before any of those kids that show a bit you'd keep but if they still haven't shown enough by the end of the year you'd have to ask the question.

Ryan has the best case for being retained (the tall excuse) but you'd want to see steady improvement despite brief down moments.
In fairness to Cumberland he was drafted 2019 just before covid struck and in amongst that he copped a serious knee injury.

Plenty of reasons to be patient with him.

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Re: List management
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2022, 12:20:16 AM »
Not only are ppl here gutting our list, we are also getting rid of those who have set up our culture as well.

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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2022, 11:14:44 AM »
Not only are ppl here gutting our list, we are also getting rid of those who have set up our culture as well.

That's why you need to space them out a bit I suppose, but there is no way we can continue to carry that handful of older guys for more than a couple of years, three max.

I don't think all those kids need to be delisted at once but I haven't seen enough for me to be doing mid-year contracts just yet I suppose.

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Re: List management
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2022, 11:39:06 PM »
The complete lack of key forwards coming through is agitating. Makes it hard for the 2's to have a proper structure. Surely we could have binned the idea of drafting our 23rd half back flanker and got in a KPF. Assuming we will trade for one or have a dip in free agency.
Not just key fwds if Miller plays seniors then there is only Nyuon. Same for ruckmen there is only Ryan atm.

Have always said we need to mirror what we want in the seniors in the two's. 

That means at a minimum 4 key fwds and  2 tall fwds or third talls. The same in defence 4 KPDS two for seniors two for ressies with two third tall types  in this instance we have two third tall types in the seniors with Grimes who can play KP if needed and Grimes.

it can be mixed a little as well instead of two  third tall fwds one could  be a fwd/ruck.  it means if we play two ruckmen we need 4 on the list two to play ressies hopefully one at least is a ruck/fwd and ideally  we want all of  them at varying stages of devevelopment.

With lists of 44 then 16 talls of varying types is the ideal. It allows for development in the twos, depth for the seniors and leaves a massive amount of room for mids and flanker types to play both afl and two's.

In our three flags we had  nine mids who were primarily mids but some could play else where at the same time. Ie Martin goes fwd or same with Bolton edwards.

If 9 is the number, then  we want to mirror it in the twos and that means we want 18 mids all up whose primary role is mid. That still leaves 10 spots for small/med types who are specialist defenders or fwds  on the flanks and pockets for both teams.

It is not written in stone but its a damn good starting point, it may be 16 mids with 12 specialist sml med flanker types. or it may be 15 talls with a 188 189cm medium.

Take it as a starting point then pencil in the types you need in each area and what types we don't have.

One thing for sure the holes are all there for people to see if they are willing to look.
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Re: List management
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2022, 11:49:13 PM »
Not only are ppl here gutting our list, we are also getting rid of those who have set up our culture as well.

That's why you need to space them out a bit I suppose, but there is no way we can continue to carry that handful of older guys for more than a couple of years, three max.

I don't think all those kids need to be delisted at once but I haven't seen enough for me to be doing mid-year contracts just yet I suppose.
They certainly need to be staggered, the way some are posting we should discard them all at the end of this yr Norf did that 2 yrs ago & look at them now, it'll take them years to get a culture etc going again. the ones who stay shouldn't be guaranteed games however.

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Re: List management
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2022, 12:07:39 AM »
Not only are ppl here gutting our list, we are also getting rid of those who have set up our culture as well.

That's why you need to space them out a bit I suppose, but there is no way we can continue to carry that handful of older guys for more than a couple of years, three max.

I don't think all those kids need to be delisted at once but I haven't seen enough for me to be doing mid-year contracts just yet I suppose.
They certainly need to be staggered, the way some are posting we should discard them all at the end of this yr Norf did that 2 yrs ago & look at them now, it'll take them years to get a culture etc going again. the ones who stay shouldn't be guaranteed games however.
I agree with this but it is not beyond the realms of possibility that six  could retire at the end of the season given given health injury and form issues without us tapping any of them on the shoulder.

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Re: List management
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2022, 05:36:29 AM »
The bullet needs to be bitten.
Houli would be getting a game ATM.

The future lies forward.

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Re: List management
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2022, 07:15:06 AM »
Does anyone have the contract status of our main guys?

It would really hurt to see Prestia not finish out the year, though if it happens we need to do something. Having him and Dusty out walking laps doing sfa into next year is 2 Tom Greens not at our club. Prestia deserved his 2 years extension as it came on the back of a flag,  but paying him 800k till he is 32 years old is crazy if he isn’t playing consistently.




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Re: List management
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2022, 08:19:22 AM »
Does anyone have the contract status of our main guys?

It would really hurt to see Prestia not finish out the year, though if it happens we need to do something. Having him and Dusty out walking laps doing sfa into next year is 2 Tom Greens not at our club. Prestia deserved his 2 years extension as it came on the back of a flag,  but paying him 800k till he is 32 years old is crazy if he isn’t playing consistently.






Prestia is contracted until end 2024.

Was extended early 2020, then he went on to miss a lot of games.

At a minimum we should have waited until later in the year because he missed so much footy.

Not sure if he's on $800k until the very end but it's still a concern anyway, to be paying a guy that much when he can't play half a season. I suspect we will pay for these contracts for years beyond their completion (Lynch, and maybe Dusty also) however I guess that was the price of the dynasty and without those lucrative contracts we might not have had all 3 flags.

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Re: List management
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2022, 09:14:17 AM »
Does anyone have the contract status of our main guys?

It would really hurt to see Prestia not finish out the year, though if it happens we need to do something. Having him and Dusty out walking laps doing sfa into next year is 2 Tom Greens not at our club. Prestia deserved his 2 years extension as it came on the back of a flag,  but paying him 800k till he is 32 years old is crazy if he isn’t playing consistently.






Prestia is contracted until end 2024.

Was extended early 2020, then he went on to miss a lot of games.

At a minimum we should have waited until later in the year because he missed so much footy.

Not sure if he's on $800k until the very end but it's still a concern anyway, to be paying a guy that much when he can't play half a season. I suspect we will pay for these contracts for years beyond their completion (Lynch, and maybe Dusty also) however I guess that was the price of the dynasty and without those lucrative contracts we might not have had all 3 flags.

Thats a ripper $/game ratio coming up

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Re: List management
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2022, 12:35:37 AM »
Not only are ppl here gutting our list, we are also getting rid of those who have set up our culture as well.

That's why you need to space them out a bit I suppose, but there is no way we can continue to carry that handful of older guys for more than a couple of years, three max.

I don't think all those kids need to be delisted at once but I haven't seen enough for me to be doing mid-year contracts just yet I suppose.
They certainly need to be staggered, the way some are posting we should discard them all at the end of this yr Norf did that 2 yrs ago & look at them now, it'll take them years to get a culture etc going again. the ones who stay shouldn't be guaranteed games however.
I agree with this but it is not beyond the realms of possibility that six  could retire at the end of the season given given health injury and form issues without us tapping any of them on the shoulder.

I agree here that it is possible, ideally we need to stagger them otherwise we'll fall off a cliff

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Re: List management
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2022, 10:14:38 PM »
Other than being decent blokes, what reasons can we offer for keeping the following on our list after this year?

Caddy
Edwards
Parker
Castagna
Aarts
RCD
Martyn
Cumberland

I suppose Biggie gets a reprieve because he's tall? Despite Gibcus demonstrating that talent shines through in spite of age and physical maturity.

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Re: List management
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2022, 10:34:31 PM »
Other than being decent blokes, what reasons can we offer for keeping the following on our list after this year?

Caddy
Edwards
Parker
Castagna
Aarts
RCD
Martyn
Cumberland

I suppose Biggie gets a reprieve because he's tall? Despite Gibcus demonstrating that talent shines through in spite of age and physical maturity.

Are any of them still contracted for next season? That would be one reason why they’re still on the list.

I’d wait to see more than 1 game from RCD at afl level and give Martyn and Cumberland some more opportunities before putting them in the list with the rest of that lot.