One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on July 16, 2022, 07:27:34 PM
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2022 is done, hate to say it. But you can't come back from our fortnight.
We simply don't have the list that can sustain a full season of quality football. Which is what is needed for a top 4 finish and finals push. We are good enough for a stellar odd performance but it's too much to ask week in week out. Absolutely sucks to say that. When you lose danger games it shows your list just isn't good enough. Anyone can beat anyone on their day.
Time to make some hard calls on some older guys. Time to never play some constantly failed experiments. Play Gibcus back. Play Balta back. Play Sonsie all year. Play RCD.
Gutted but it's time to look beyond this era.
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I'd also be clearing out the entire assistant coaches. 1, it worked last time and 2, they arent good enough.
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Dimma needs a slap around, he's coaching like it is 2016.
Sticking with Aarts, Edwards, Castagna (till recently).
He needs good support, we saw that in 2017, can't we do better than McQualter and Kingsley? Is he on such huge money that we can't afford better?
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How about clear the coach out for getting with some girl and stuffing up the clubs culture?
If hawks can do it to clarko then we can.
It’s time we think about who our next coach is going to be.
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I'd also be clearing out the entire assistant coaches. 1, it worked last time and 2, they arent good enough.
Agree with this. And not just replace 1 for 1 but reinvest in the footy department. It's a skeleton crew right now. I think Dimma might have run out of ideas again and could do with the heat being put back on him.
Fitness and conditioning also needs to be looked at. I know we are old but we don't seem to run out games well at all.
I think drafting and trading is still okay as a department. It's hard after 5 years of compromised drafts and 5 years at the top to keep the list fresh and talented.
Could be time to look at the coach.
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TANK!
no point now, retire players.
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How about clear the coach out for getting with some girl and stuffing up the clubs culture?
This.
It undermined everything we'd been building.
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Dimma should seriously consider his legacy. He can walk aeay now with a decent payout and be a Richmond immortal or he can risk it by staying on and missing finals year after year and ruin his legacy. His time has arrived.
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How about clear the coach out for getting with some girl and stuffing up the clubs culture?
This.
It undermined everything we'd been building.
Wowee. Are we allowed to say this now?
My personal feeling it did a lot of damage behind the scenes. Great culture takes a while to build but doesn’t take much to unravel.
It’s harder to talk about integrity when everything you’ve done smacks of hypocrisy.
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How about clear the coach out for getting with some girl and stuffing up the clubs culture?
This.
It undermined everything we'd been building.
My personal feeling it did a lot of damage behind the scenes. Great culture takes a while to build but doesn’t take much to unravel.
Only my own speculation, but I think Cotch would still be captain had it not happened. I think he would have been captain till the day he retired.
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I'd like to apologize for my fowl language.
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I think the club should be looking for it's next coach. He can't fix the discipline issues and continues to play the proven vfl level players.
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If there is any seriousness to Dusty leaving I thi k we should pull the trigger and either bring in some high draft picks or young quality players. I’m not sure how he’d cope during a rebuild.
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Tank for a top pick.
Trade out dusty and get both Taranto and hopper. Fogarty too.
Retire Jack, Edwards, Lambert.
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I think we have more deeper problems.
We need early picks for mids and forwards.
Another 5 inside 30 should be priority no 1.
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Our midfield is worst in comp.
LDU and Simpkin would be out best mids. Enough said.
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Our midfield is worst in comp.
LDU and Simpkin would be out best mids. Enough said.
LDU is a gun though seriously.
Otherwise yes our mids stink.
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Our midfield is worst in comp.
LDU and Simpkin would be out best mids. Enough said.
LDU is a gun though seriously.
Otherwise yes our mids stink.
Agree re LDU
I'd be trying to pry him out of N0rt
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Dimma should seriously consider his legacy. He can walk aeay now with a decent payout and be a Richmond immortal or he can risk it by staying on and missing finals year after year and ruin his legacy. His time has arrived.
I’m frustrated with the coaching to but to think Dimma will leave the club as anything but an immortal is just emotion talk after a couple of crap weeks. 3 time premiership coach, broke a 37 year drought, most games coached for Richmond (I think). We could completely tank and finish with the spoon next year and that wouldn’t change.
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Dimma should seriously consider his legacy. He can walk aeay now with a decent payout and be a Richmond immortal or he can risk it by staying on and missing finals year after year and ruin his legacy. His time has arrived.
I’m frustrated with the coaching to but to think Dimma will leave the club as anything but an immortal is just emotion talk after a couple of crap weeks. 3 time premiership coach, broke a 37 year drought, most games coached for Richmond (I think). We could completely tank and finish with the spoon next year and that wouldn’t change.
True.
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Tigers’ twin focus
While Richmond is striving to play finals this season, the Tigers also have their sights set on next year and beyond, as coach Damien Hardwick explained in his weekly press conference yesterday.
“We’re doing two things at once. We’re trying to contend, and we’re also trying to regenerate or rejuvenate at the same time,” Hardwick said.
“We had four first-year players in the side (v North Melbourne) on the weekend . . . we have done that over the course of the year.
“That itself is a challenge. But the fact of the matter is I think we’re going to have a longer period of window (of opportunity), so to speak, than we do if we go the other way.
“The challenge for us as a club is to remain competitive like the very best sides have over a long period of time . . .
“We’re giving ourselves our best chance of success, not only this year, but years moving forward as well.”
Richmond has had five AFL debutants this season – Josh Gibcus, Bigoa Nyuon, Judson Clarke, Noah Cumberland and Tyler Sonsie. Last year, seven players debuted at senior level with the Tigers – Riley Collier-Dawkins, Rhyan Mansell, Will Martyn, Ben Miller, Hugo Ralphsmith, Maurice Rioli Jr and Samson Ryan.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1176914/tigers-twin-focus
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Banks and Brown should debut. RCD should come in as well so we can finally see if he can save his career.
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RCD should come in as well so we can finally see if he can save his career.
Can't save a career when you haven't been given the opportunity others have to establish one
#justsayin
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Reckon im in the proper rebuild camp. Rather than trade away good picks id look to get some and go to the draft for two or three years..If we got say a first rounder and maybe a second for Dusty and im being honest here i dont think that will happen due to Dusty's age then all good.
Would be happy to get some quality older types thru F/a or cheap trades.
If im going to give up top picks for players then im targeting young players like 19 yo Callaghan or tom Green rather than a 26 27 28 yr old who will be past it by the time we rebuild and get enough games into the kids we take.
People need to get out of fantasy land they talk as if we can stay up and win a flag its yet to happen and if honest we just dont have the quality coming thru to take over from all the retirements that WILL happen the next two or three seasons.Imo its Crazy people think an actual rebuild will take just 3 or so years. There is just two ways to go, embrace a full on rebuild and if we get it right 4 or 5 seasons without finals. or we can do a Geelong and wait 10 years for the cards to fall our way if we are lucky.
Reckon we have ALL got greedy and have forgot just how we got there.
Its really simple Draft well then develop well get a large core to 80 100 games which will take 5 or so seasons then add the missing pieces and hopefully you get another dynasty.
In three years time it is likely all of the following will be gone Martin, Grimes, Riewoldt, Cotchin, Lambert, Prestia, Lynch, Edwards, Pickett, Tarrant, and possibly Broad and of course Caddy.
Then you have fringe and ordinary players who really should be gone like Aarts, Castagna Parker, Soldo, McIntosh and yess im throwing Short in here as well.
Then theres a whole pile of younger blokes who really do have big questions about weather they will even make it. Dow, Ross, RC-D, Ryan, Rioli, Nyuon, Martyn, Miller, Colina and im sure ive missed a few.Some could come on in leaps and bounds but right at the moment its not dumb to question if they will make it long term.
I believe there is really only one path to take and that is to accept and embrace a full on rebuild starting yesterday.
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I'm with you Claw, I think we re-build & do it properly even if it takes 3-5 years it will be worth it.
The list of young blokes you mentioned & wondered if they will make it - well, the next 3-5 years will tell us! I hate cutting young blokes unless they are total busts ( for reasons us supporters may never hear about), if there are no obvious red flags then I'd rather ride the bumps while they develop than to cut them & watch them bloom at another club. I think there is some talent in that list & I'm prepared to invest a few years in them.
Then keep the kids coming from the draft ...
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RCD should come in as well so we can finally see if he can save his career.
Can't save a career when you haven't been given the opportunity others have to establish one
#justsayin
Yep. I agree. Wasnt a Dimma favorite.
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RCD should come in as well so we can finally see if he can save his career.
Can't save a career when you haven't been given the opportunity others have to establish one
#justsayin
Maybe Dimma is jealous that RCDs parents are solidly still together?
Yep. I agree. Wasnt a Dimma favorite.
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I think also a key is contract and salary cap management.
We need to time out development and salary cap peak at the right time. At the moment out top 2 earners are out injured, one is ageing and apparently wants a change of scenery. Mix that with some older guys hanging on a bit too long like Edwards and Lambert (injury main, how many games has he played) and guys who have been looked after too much being carried by a dynasty (Castagna).
Those things need to be fixed and aligned with age and development and our window will peak again.
Challenging a midfield of Viney, Oliver, Petrecca and co we are just not there currently.
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Look at the pies under McRae his rejuvenate with kids , quality assistant's and a few not bad recruits they aren't nothing special there hungry and playing as team so it's not impossible to get back into finals contention if we make a few hard decisions and revamp football department we have quality kids and good picks again need to make few hard decisions on player retirement and up for trade.
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Look at the pies under McRae his rejuvenate with kids , quality assistant's and a few not bad recruits they aren't nothing special there hungry and playing as team so it's not impossible to get back into finals contention if we make a few hard decisions and revamp football department we have quality kids and good picks again need to make few hard decisions on player retirement and up for trade.
100%. Kids are the way to go.
Time for us to cut some dead weight
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Look at the pies under McRae his rejuvenate with kids , quality assistant's and a few not bad recruits they aren't nothing special there hungry and playing as team so it's not impossible to get back into finals contention if we make a few hard decisions and revamp football department we have quality kids and good picks again need to make few hard decisions on player retirement and up for trade.
100%. Kids are the way to go.
Time for us to cut some dead weight
Exactly like to see Ryan ,Mansell ,Banks and Brown get games and give RCD the remaining games.
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Tigers’ burning question: Can Richmond emulate Geelong with sustained competitiveness?
A fairytale fourth flag in six years looks out of the Tigers’ grasp now as they sit 10th on the ladder with four games to go following their tense draw with Fremantle last round. But Riewoldt is optimistic that this doesn’t have to be the full stop on Richmond’s great era and that they are in a unique position to keep challenging for top-four spots over a long period of time like the Cats have done. “Richmond are as well-placed as any club since Geelong to have 15 years of relevance, so that’s the conversation. It’s not a short-term concern because they’ve exposed as many debutants this year as anyone, they’ve got five picks from last year in the top 30, they’ve played a lot of kids this year that have played less than 30 games ... attracting big-name players, destination club, all of that sort of stuff, it’s big picture stuff.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tipping-round-20-2022-the-blowtorch-fox-footy-commentators-afl-news-every-club-round-19-burning-question/news-story/765c71e99198b7bcc529531b508dea11