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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 02, 2022, 01:22:25 AM
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2022 NAB AFL Draft and Trade Period: key dates
Friday 30 September at 9.00am - AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences
Monday 03 October at 9.00am - AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections
Friday 07 October at 5.00pm - Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.
Monday 10 October - NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
- AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)
Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm - AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections
Thursday 03 November at 9.00am - AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences
Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm - AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes
Friday 11 November at 9.00am - AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences
Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm - AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
- AFL Trade Period closes – selections only
Monday 21 November by 3.00pm - AFL Draft Nominations close
Monday 28 November at 7.10pm - AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
- Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.
Tuesday 29 November - AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
- AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
- Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
- AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
- Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
- AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)
Wednesday 30 November - AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
- AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)
Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm - Final AFL Club List Lodgement
https://www.afl.com.au/news/811821/draft-bonanza-sign-and-trade-period-dates-confirmed-for-2022
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-period-2022-dates-free-agency-exchange-period-when-is-afl-draft-date-full-list/news-story/833e7398d20acdbc2ba7db94d6df82ab
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For future reference this is what we have come up with in terms of who is contracted to when. If anyone has any corrections to this list post it in this thread and I or WP will update it .
Contracts List:
2023: Castagna, Cotchin, Dow, Mansell, Ralphsmith, Riewoldt, Tarrant
2024: Baker, Cumberland, Graham, Green, Grimes, Martin, McIntosh, Pickett, Nankervis, Prestia, M.Rioli, Ross, Ryan, Smith, Soldo
2025: Balta, Banks, Broad, Brown, Clarke, Gibcus, Lynch, Sonsie
2026: Vlastuin
2027: D.Rioli, Short
2028: Bolton
2029: Hopper, Taranto
Rookies:
Ben Miller - third year in 2023 ........... ( contracted until 2024 )
Mate Colina - third year in 2023
Bigoa Nyuon - second year in 2023
Jacob Bauer - second year in 2023
Seth Campbell - first year in 2023 ........ ( contracted until 2024 )
Tylar Young - first year in 2023 ............ ( contracted until 2025 )
Kaelan Bradtke - first year in 2023
Matthew Coulthard - first year in 2023. .......... ( contracted until 2024 )
James Trezise - for remainder of 2023 ...... ( contracted until 2024 )
Oliver Hayes-Brown - first year in 2024.
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Known Contracts
Dustin Martin is a Tiger for life. Agreed to a new seven-year deal with the Tigers (until end of 2024).
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-08-31/martin-a-tiger-for-life
Tom Lynch joins the Tigers as a free agent on a seven-year contract (until end of 2025).
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tom-is-a-tiger-richmond-officially-lands-big-fish-tom-lynch-on-sevenyear-deal/news-story/9a7408a6a68acd4ad83727cc44927930
Dion Prestia through to the end of 2024.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/552096/locked-and-loaded-huge-deals-for-triple-premiership-tigers
Nick Vlastuin has committed his long-term future to Richmond, putting pen to paper on a five-year deal this week. The contract extension will see Vlastuin remain at Tigerland until at least the end of 2026.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/894137/five-years-for-vlastuin
Hugo Ralphsmith signed a two-year extension (until the end of the 2023)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/998470
Thomson Dow signs on until end of 2023.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1003607/trio-of-tigers-re-sign
Rhyan Mansell extended his contract by two years, tying him to the Club until the end of 2023.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1011636
Ivan Soldo has put pen to paper on a new three-year deal, keeping him at the Club until at least the end of 2024.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1017596/three-more-for-soldo
Samson Ryan signs two year contract extension that will see him remain at the Club until at least the end of 2024.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1049407/samson-ryan-signs-richmond-extension
Jayden Short re-signs for five more years (until end of 2027).
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1118844
Jacob Bauer signs on for 18 months (until end of 2023).
SEN interview 02-06-22 (https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1003776).
Liam Baker signs a new two-year deal (until end of 2024).
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1182705/baker-signs-richmond-extension
Noah Cumberland signs until end of 2024.
Ben Miller signs until end of 2024.
Tyler Sonsie signs until end of 2025.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1194596/emerging-trio-sign-richmond-extensions
Daniel Rioli has committed to a five-year deal (until the end of 2027).
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1201320/daniel-rioli-signs-five-year-contract-extension
Maurice Rioli signs two year extension (until the end of 2024).
Jack Ross signs two year extension (until the end of 2024).
Josh Gibcus signs two year extension (until the end of 2025).
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1207969/impressive-young-tigers-commit-to-richmond
Jack Riewoldt has put pen to paper on a fresh contract for 2023.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1216081/riewoldt-commits-for-2023
Jacob Hopper has agreed to a seven-year deal at the Swinburne Centre, tying him to Richmond until the end of 2029.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1236175/hopper-lands-at-richmond
Tim Taranto has committed to Richmond for seven years, tying him to the Club until the end of the 2029 season.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1232474/taranto-becomes-a-tiger
Sam Banks signed a two-year contract extension (end of 2025).
Tom Brown signed a two-year contract extension (end of 2025).
Judson Clarke signed a two-year contract extension (end of 2025).
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1239282/teenage-tiger-trio-sign-extensions
Biggie Nyuon signs a one-year extension (until end of 2023).
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1241341/nyuon-locked-in-for-2023
Shai Bolton has put pen to paper on a new five-year contract extension this week, tying him to the Swinburne Centre until at least the end of 2028.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1259683/shai-bolton-signs-five-year-contract-extension/
Jack Graham triggers a one-year contract extension which will have him at the Tigers until at least 2024.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/897015/inside-trading-sun-ned-moyle-in-demand-tiger-noah-balta-set-to-re-sign-dog-arthur-jones-new-deal
Toby Nankervis quietly reached a contract trigger in the opening rounds that automatically locks him in for next season (2024).
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/powerhouse-club-s-low-key-re-signing-calm-before-free-agency-storm-20230411-p5czhu.html
Dylan Grimes will enter a 15th season at the Club, having put pen to paper on a fresh contract for 2024.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1327404/grimes-signs-on-for-2024
Noah Balta has inked a new two-year deal until the end of 2025.
Tylar Young has secured a two-year contract that ties him to Richmond until the end of 2025.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1327571/balta-and-young-commit-to-richmond
Nathan Broad has committed to Richmond, tying him to the Club until at least the end of 2025.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1346933/broad-inks-two-year-extension
James Trezise has a six-month rookie contract (for the remainder of 2023).
https://www.afl.com.au/news/940815/pre-agents-being-tracked-flag-cat-to-re-sign-no-1-pick-to-wait
Marlion Pickett and Kamdyn McIntosh will officially be at the club next year [2024] after ticking off games-based clauses in their contracts.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=32916.0
Matthew Coulthard award a one-year rookie contract extension (until the end of 2024).
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1003332/blue-starts-talks-roos-hold-firm-on-mckay-docker-hits-trigger
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Playing List changes 2022-23
In: Jacob Bauer (MSD pick 10), Jacob Hopper (trade), Tim Taranto (trade), Kaleb Smith (ND pick 49), Steely Green (ND pick 55), Seth Campbell (RD pick 12), Tylar Young (RD pick 26), Kaelan Bradtke (SSP rookie), Matthew Coulthard (MSD pick 4), James Trezise (MSD pick 13)
Out: Josh Caddy (midseason retirement), Kane Lambert (midseason retired round 19), Matthew Parker (departed for family reason - round 19), Shane Edwards (retired), Riley Collier-Dawkins (delisted), Will Martyn (delisted), Jake Aarts (delisted), Sydney Stack (delisted), Jason Castagna (2023 preseason retirement), Robbie Tarrant (2023 in-season retirement)
Transferred: Marlion Pickett (moved to the senior list after 4-year maximum on the rookie list).
Currently, we have 32 senior-listed and 9 rookie-listed (7 Category A & 2 Category B) spots filled.
Senior List:
1. Nick Vlastuin
2. Dylan Grimes
3. Dion Prestia
4. Dustin Martin
5. Jack Ross
6. Robbie Tarrant (retired)
7. Liam Baker
8. Jack Riewoldt (end of season retirement)
9. Trent Cotchin (end of season retirement)
10. Maurice Rioli jnr
11. Jason Castagna (retired)
12.
13. Hugo Ralphsmith
14. Tim Taranto
15. Jayden Short
16.
17. Daniel Rioli
18.
19. Tom Lynch
20. Ivan Soldo
21. Noah Balta
22. Jacob Hopper
23.
24.
25. Toby Nankervis
26. -----------------> rookie
27. Thomson Dow
28. Josh Gibcus
29. Shai Bolton
30. Tom Brown
31. Rhyan Mansell
32. Samson Ryan
33. Kamdyn McIntosh
34. Jack Graham
35. Nathan Broad
36. -----------------> rookie
37.
38. Noah Cumberland
39. -----------------> rookie
40. Tyler Sonsie
41. Sam Banks
42. Judson Clarke
43. -----------------> rookie
44. -----------------> rookie
45. -----------------> rookie
46. -----------------> rookie
47. -----------------> rookie
48. Steely Green
49. Kaleb Smith
50. Marlion Pickett
XX. -----------------> rookie
Rookie List
Category A (regular)
26. Matthew Coulthard
36. James Trezise
37. Kaelan Bradtke (delisted)
43. Jacob Bauer
44. Seth Campbell
45. Tylar Young
46. Ben Miller
47. Bigoa Nyuon
Category B (international/non-registered)
39. Mate Colina
XX. Oliver Hayes-Brown
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I reckon Miller is only 2nd year rookie in 2022
I have him down as being moved from main list to rookie list 25/11/2020
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Cheers, taz.
Contracts list updated 11/08/2022.
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Contracts list updated 18/08/2022.
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Contracts list updated 19/08/2022.
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Contracts list updated 27/08/2022.
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Contracts list updated 06/09/2022.
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OE should you move Pickett onto the main contract list? He’s spent the max 4 years on the rookie list so given he’s extended already he’d have to be moved onto the primary list.
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Contracts and Playing lists updated 12/10/2022.
OE should you move Pickett onto the main contract list? He’s spent the max 4 years on the rookie list so given he’s extended already he’d have to be moved onto the primary list.
Cheers, TK. Done.
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Contracts and Playing lists updated: 13/10/2022.
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Contracts list updated 20/10/2022.
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1241341/nyuon-locked-in-for-2023
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Thanks taz.
Contracts list updated 26/10/2022.
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Playing list updated: 25/11/2022.
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Playing list updated: 01/12/2022.
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Playing list & numbers updated (07/12/2022).
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Contracts list updated 20/12/2022.
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Playing list updated 14/02/2023.
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Contracts list updated 12/04/2023.
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Contracts list updated 11/05/2023.
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Contracts list updated 31/05/2023.
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Contracts list updated 01/06/2023.
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Just updating both Contracts and Playing lists: 21/07/2023.
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Contracts list updated 10/08/2023.
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OOC:
Gray.
Prestia.
Bauer.
Blight.
Smith.
McIntosh.
Colina.
OHB.
Dow.
Lynch.
Young.
Sonsie.
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OOC:
Gray. re-sign, depth/development
Prestia. likely re-sign for me as depth/development coach, but OK if he retires also
Bauer. gone
Blight. re-sign for depth vs delist, OK either way
Smith. re-sign for sure, reckon he can make it
McIntosh. hmmm, see Prestia, shouldn't be playing ahead of kids
Colina. byebye
OHB. I'm not sure, but with our ruck options so poor we may need to keep him on the list somehow
Dow. I'd be content to delist but maybe another year to see if he goes to another level
Lynch. likely re-sign until the kids are more mature, 1 year at a time
Young. priority re-signing IMO
Sonsie. I'd definitely give him another year, see Smith. Reckon he'll make it
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We’ll need to cut more than that Andy. Everyone was up in arms about not taking anyone in the mid season draft, well that’s not going to change unless we open up some list spots.
Even colina finally being cut doesn’t help as he’s a Cat B rookie.
Bauer will open up 1 spot. Looks like we will take 3 players in the national draft (our 2 first rounders + somehow getting kellaway), so we’d need to cut another 2.
I also reckon OHB has shown enough to atleast be promoted to Cat A rookie. He may very well not be good enough but I’d still like to atleast see him play a few AFL games, I’d certainly like to see that before Ryan who is still wild to me was given a 3 year contract.
That is Ofcourse assuming we don’t lose any players to trades which I think we would have heard rumours of by now.
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Also was it really necessary to give kosi a 3 year contract? Was anyone actually into him? We’re hawks going to re-sign him? I feel like they wernt but even if they were surely it would have been a 1 year deal anyway.
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Also was it really necessary to give kosi a 3 year contract? Was anyone actually into him? We’re hawks going to re-sign him? I feel like they wernt but even if they were surely it would have been a 1 year deal anyway.
No, they were going to delist him most likely. Two years would have been enough.
I suspect he's on lowish money though.
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We’ll need to cut more than that Andy. Everyone was up in arms about not taking anyone in the mid season draft, well that’s not going to change unless we open up some list spots.
Even colina finally being cut doesn’t help as he’s a Cat B rookie.
Bauer will open up 1 spot. Looks like we will take 3 players in the national draft (our 2 first rounders + somehow getting kellaway), so we’d need to cut another 2.
I also reckon OHB has shown enough to atleast be promoted to Cat A rookie. He may very well not be good enough but I’d still like to atleast see him play a few AFL games, I’d certainly like to see that before Ryan who is still wild to me was given a 3 year contract.
That is Ofcourse assuming we don’t lose any players to trades which I think we would have heard rumours of by now.
Yeah well as I said there's players I can see going vs one more year.
Wouldn't be a big surprise to me if Kmac and Prestia retired for example.
Not because I think they have no value, but more because it's time to move on and upgrade for the future.
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We’ll need to cut more than that Andy. Everyone was up in arms about not taking anyone in the mid season draft, well that’s not going to change unless we open up some list spots.
Even colina finally being cut doesn’t help as he’s a Cat B rookie.
Bauer will open up 1 spot. Looks like we will take 3 players in the national draft (our 2 first rounders + somehow getting kellaway), so we’d need to cut another 2.
I also reckon OHB has shown enough to atleast be promoted to Cat A rookie. He may very well not be good enough but I’d still like to atleast see him play a few AFL games, I’d certainly like to see that before Ryan who is still wild to me was given a 3 year contract.
That is Ofcourse assuming we don’t lose any players to trades which I think we would have heard rumours of by now.
What do you replace them with?
Have no 2nd rounder. Need something to give to get Kellaway presumably. It's generally a weak draft pool.
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We’ll need to cut more than that Andy. Everyone was up in arms about not taking anyone in the mid season draft, well that’s not going to change unless we open up some list spots.
Even colina finally being cut doesn’t help as he’s a Cat B rookie.
Bauer will open up 1 spot. Looks like we will take 3 players in the national draft (our 2 first rounders + somehow getting kellaway), so we’d need to cut another 2.
I also reckon OHB has shown enough to atleast be promoted to Cat A rookie. He may very well not be good enough but I’d still like to atleast see him play a few AFL games, I’d certainly like to see that before Ryan who is still wild to me was given a 3 year contract.
That is Ofcourse assuming we don’t lose any players to trades which I think we would have heard rumours of by now.
What do you replace them with?
Have no 2nd rounder. Need something to give to get Kellaway presumably. It's generally a weak draft pool.
Kellaway will be easy. Assuming the club rate him enough to pick him up which let’s face it when it’s a F/S clubs rarely pass up, we’ll just trade a future 3rd or 4th to get back into the draft to match a bid.
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One senior list spot will likely be taken up by Campbell who's just signed a 4 year contract
Can't stay a rookie
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One senior list spot will likely be taken up by Campbell who's just signed a 4 year contract
Can't stay a rookie
neither can Trezise
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We’ll need to cut more than that Andy. Everyone was up in arms about not taking anyone in the mid season draft, well that’s not going to change unless we open up some list spots.
Even colina finally being cut doesn’t help as he’s a Cat B rookie.
Bauer will open up 1 spot. Looks like we will take 3 players in the national draft (our 2 first rounders + somehow getting kellaway), so we’d need to cut another 2.
I also reckon OHB has shown enough to atleast be promoted to Cat A rookie. He may very well not be good enough but I’d still like to atleast see him play a few AFL games, I’d certainly like to see that before Ryan who is still wild to me was given a 3 year contract.
That is Ofcourse assuming we don’t lose any players to trades which I think we would have heard rumours of by now.
What do you replace them with?
Have no 2nd rounder. Need something to give to get Kellaway presumably. It's generally a weak draft pool.
Kellaway will be easy. Assuming the club rate him enough to pick him up which let’s face it when it’s a F/S clubs rarely pass up, we’ll just trade a future 3rd or 4th to get back into the draft to match a bid.
You have failed to explain how if you "cut deep" you end up with players better than dow sonsie blight or whoever you are getting rid of.
In a weak draft pool with not many picks
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We’ll need to cut more than that Andy. Everyone was up in arms about not taking anyone in the mid season draft, well that’s not going to change unless we open up some list spots.
Even colina finally being cut doesn’t help as he’s a Cat B rookie.
Bauer will open up 1 spot. Looks like we will take 3 players in the national draft (our 2 first rounders + somehow getting kellaway), so we’d need to cut another 2.
I also reckon OHB has shown enough to atleast be promoted to Cat A rookie. He may very well not be good enough but I’d still like to atleast see him play a few AFL games, I’d certainly like to see that before Ryan who is still wild to me was given a 3 year contract.
That is Ofcourse assuming we don’t lose any players to trades which I think we would have heard rumours of by now.
What do you replace them with?
Have no 2nd rounder. Need something to give to get Kellaway presumably. It's generally a weak draft pool.
Kellaway will be easy. Assuming the club rate him enough to pick him up which let’s face it when it’s a F/S clubs rarely pass up, we’ll just trade a future 3rd or 4th to get back into the draft to match a bid.
You have failed to explain how if you "cut deep" you end up with players better than dow sonsie blight or whoever you are getting rid of.
In a weak draft pool with not many picks
Dude all I’m saying is we are most likely going to draft in 3 players. Call it a weak draft as much as you want, unless you buy into this Harley Reid rumours we will be drafting someone with pick 2, 3 and then will come back in to take kellaway.
We have 0 free spots on our list atm so you have to delist/retire 3 players at a minimum (and Colina doesn’t even count in that) and that’s assuming we don’t plan on taking anyone on the rookie list.
Understand?
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One senior list spot will likely be taken up by Campbell who's just signed a 4 year contract
Can't stay a rookie
neither can Trezise
Wonder if we will delist a couple of contracted blokes with a guarantee we redraft them as rookies?
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One senior list spot will likely be taken up by Campbell who's just signed a 4 year contract
Can't stay a rookie
neither can Trezise
Wonder if we will delist a couple of contracted blokes with a guarantee we redraft them as rookies?
Who would be your pick(s)?
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One senior list spot will likely be taken up by Campbell who's just signed a 4 year contract
Can't stay a rookie
neither can Trezise
Wonder if we will delist a couple of contracted blokes with a guarantee we redraft them as rookies?
Who would be your pick(s)?
I don’t think it matters anymore. There is a cap on the Senior and Cat A Rookies combined total, so delisting and rookieing doesn’t open up any spots as far as I know.
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One senior list spot will likely be taken up by Campbell who's just signed a 4 year contract
Can't stay a rookie
neither can Trezise
Wonder if we will delist a couple of contracted blokes with a guarantee we redraft them as rookies?
Who would be your pick(s)?
I don’t think it matters anymore. There is a cap on the Senior and Cat A Rookies combined total, so delisting and rookieing doesn’t open up any spots as far as I know.
Yeah I just looked it up
Total list is made up of 44 players
But my understanding is the most you can have on the senior list is 38 and the minimum is 36
How many rookies (cat a) you have depends on how many senior spots are taken
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Lynch officially playing next season.
prestia was announced also
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OOC:
Gray.
Prestia.
Bauer.
Blight.
Smith.
McIntosh.
Colina.
OHB.
Dow.
Lynch.
Young.
Sonsie.
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Of those remaining I'd be most interested in keeping gray. Blight.
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Of those remaining I'd be most interested in keeping gray. Blight.
I think club may be looking to move Blight on. There was that report that came out that said he was 1 game away from triggering a new contract and he hasn’t sniffed a game since.
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Blight is gone.. going back to WA
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As long as either the eagles or freo want him, that should cover our kellaway pick.
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Should name him for 1 game, trigger a contract, force a trade :)
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Should name him for 1 game, trigger a contract, force a trade :)
They’d have to trade even when out of contract unless it’s different for rookie listed players. Although they could just refuse and walk him to the draft. Just throw us a 3rd-4th rounder and call it a day lol
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Should name him for 1 game, trigger a contract, force a trade :)
They’d have to trade even when out of contract unless it’s different for rookie listed players. Although they could just refuse and walk him to the draft. Just throw us a 3rd-4th rounder and call it a day lol
WCE could PSD him so we could screw them for a 3rd rounder if we contract him another year lmao
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Should name him for 1 game, trigger a contract, force a trade :)
They’d have to trade even when out of contract unless it’s different for rookie listed players. Although they could just refuse and walk him to the draft. Just throw us a 3rd-4th rounder and call it a day lol
They apparently don't have a 3rd rounder.
.gave it to lions.
Currently pick 37.
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Would be very handy
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Should name him for 1 game, trigger a contract, force a trade :)
They’d have to trade even when out of contract unless it’s different for rookie listed players. Although they could just refuse and walk him to the draft. Just throw us a 3rd-4th rounder and call it a day lol
WCE could PSD him so we could screw them for a 3rd rounder if we contract him another year lmao
It seems like they don’t want to do that in case a team doesn’t want to trade for him and then he’s on the list for another season. I think our list spots are at a premium and they want to keep what little flexibility they have.
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Cut 8 it aint rocket science.
Trade Blight for a packet of crispy cremes if neccesary will get enough for Kellaway probably. Way too many tall defenders on our list and imo his pace will hold him back at the top level.
Trade young we have so many tall defenders and there is always a club wanting depth.Thats 4 picks in the nd.
Would not promote Trezise does not have enough tools imo opening a psd spot or room for a f/a. Cut Sonsie making a spot for Campbell on list proper.
Cut Bauer fmd we have how many talls again making a rookie spot. pee Colina off and rookie a young ruckman.Have McIntosh retire opening a spot for msd or psss. cut Dow and go back to the f/a pool looking for a simple upgrade.
Make no mistake list turnover is our biggest list management issue and we need to find a way to do it.
By some margin we have the worst mid tier group in the whole comp. We are staying near the bottom for some time so at any cost do not hang onto dead wood.
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Cut 8 it aint rocket science.
Trade Blight for a packet of crispy cremes if neccesary will get enough for Kellaway probably. Way too many tall defenders on our list and imo his pace will hold him back at the top level.
Trade young we have so many tall defenders and there is always a club wanting depth.Thats 4 picks in the nd.
Would not promote Trezise does not have enough tools imo opening a psd spot or room for a f/a. Cut Sonsie making a spot for Campbell on list proper.
Cut Bauer fmd we have how many talls again making a rookie spot. pee Colina off and rookie a young ruckman.Have McIntosh retire opening a spot for msd or psss. cut Dow and go back to the f/a pool looking for a simple upgrade.
Make no mistake list turnover is our biggest list management issue and we need to find a way to do it.
By some margin we have the worst mid tier group in the whole comp. We are staying near the bottom for some time so at any cost do not hang onto dead wood.
Your suggested "cuts" are flawed
I am sick of repeating this but cutting Colina makes zero difference to our total list of 44. He is a category B rookie and sits outside the total off 44. Cutting him only frees up a category B spot only not a spot on our main or rookie list
The most you can have on the main list is 38. You want to take 4 picks to the draft get 2 F/As and promote Campbell.
Blight is rookie as is Trezise and Bauer so cutting them either via trade or delist doesn't free up any spots on the main list only on the rookie list. Kmac, Dow and Young free up 3 spots not the 7 or 8 you are suggesting.
So it may not be "rocket science" to you but your your suggested scenario is flawed and won't get you what you are wanting/demanding
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Cut 8 it aint rocket science.
Trade Blight for a packet of crispy cremes if neccesary will get enough for Kellaway probably. Way too many tall defenders on our list and imo his pace will hold him back at the top level.
Trade young we have so many tall defenders and there is always a club wanting depth.Thats 4 picks in the nd.
Would not promote Trezise does not have enough tools imo opening a psd spot or room for a f/a. Cut Sonsie making a spot for Campbell on list proper.
Cut Bauer fmd we have how many talls again making a rookie spot. pee Colina off and rookie a young ruckman.Have McIntosh retire opening a spot for msd or psss. cut Dow and go back to the f/a pool looking for a simple upgrade.
Make no mistake list turnover is our biggest list management issue and we need to find a way to do it.
By some margin we have the worst mid tier group in the whole comp. We are staying near the bottom for some time so at any cost do not hang onto dead wood.
What do you replace them with?
Don't have draft picks. In a weak draft.
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Dow and Sonsie sweating bullets right now. Only 2 players left out of contract.
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Did a quick google search and looks like we have 17 players out of contract at end of season:
Nathan Broad (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Liam Fawcett
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Mykelti Lefau
Tom Lynch (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Rhyan Mansell
Toby Nankervis
Dion Prestia (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Hugo Ralphsmith
Patrick Retschko
Maurice Rioli
Kaleb Smith
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
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Retain Burton, Fawcett, Green, OHB, Lynch, Retsvhlo, Sonsie, maybe even Trezise
Rest I am less fussed about tbh
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I reckon Retschko has already earned himself a new contract
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Agreed WP, hope we're in talks with him.
Reckon he's in line for a rising star nomination now or soon.
Should be offering him a multi-year deal.
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Updated out of contract players at years end. 15 left.
Nathan Broad (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Liam Fawcett
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Mykelti Lefau
Tom Lynch (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Toby Nankervis
Dion Prestia (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Kaleb Smith
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
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Broad obviously long gone.
I'd also cut:
Clarke
HRS
Trezise
?Prestia
1 more year:
Lynch
Nank
OHB pending off season trades etc
?Burton
?MRJ
?Smith
Players I'd consider for 2 years:
Sonsie (yep, FO, don't care what you think)
Fawcett
Green
Lefau
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Green and Lefau have already reportedly begun negotiations. No word on Sonsie/Fawcett. Sonsie prob has to wait until the end of season, you’d hope Fawcett can be wrapped up well before then.
Agree with the cuts although I’d be very tempted to give clarke a rookie spot for next year just to see what he can do post injury as he looked a good player prior. Smith looks gone too, guy racks it up in the VFL and cannot sniff a game even with our diabolical injury list.
If we draft/trade in a couple rucks, I’d be leaning towards cutting OHB. Good VFL player and glad he’s gotten games ahead of Ryan but I think it’s evident that he won’t cut it as an AFL ruck.
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Clarke is a better player than Smith without doubt
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Come on Damo, based on what? Hasn't played AFL for over two years and hasn't played VFL for one year.
We're talking about opinions of upside, nothing more.
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Updated out of contract players at years end. 11 left. Lynch’s deal still not official so left him on there.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Liam Fawcett
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Tom Lynch (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Kaleb Smith
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
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Updated out of contract players at years end. 11 left. Lynch’s deal still not official so left him on there.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Liam Fawcett
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Tom Lynch (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Kaleb Smith
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
The 2027 contract list is more worrying.
Idk why they haven't been doing the extensions.
Lalor I understand might be tricky with Tassie offering 3 billion
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Updated out of contract players at years end. 11 left. Lynch’s deal still not official so left him on there.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Liam Fawcett
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Tom Lynch (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Kaleb Smith
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
It's all going to come down to how hard they want to cut this year and what happens with Butters
I reckon they will cut at least 3 giving us 5 spots after the 2 retirements
I also reckon from that list they will try and trade at least 2 maybe 3
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There’s at least 5 delistings there that we just need to move on from imo.
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There’s at least 5 delistings there that we just need to move on from imo.
I've got 3 I'd move without batting an eyelid and another 1 probably 2 that are clearly not in the Coach's plans.
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There’s at least 5 delistings there that we just need to move on from imo.
I've got 3 I'd move without batting an eyelid and another 1 probably 2 that are clearly not in the Coach's plans.
I’d be cutting HRS, MRJ, Smith, Sonsie and Tresize.
The rest I’d keep although Fawcett is surely gone for reasons unknown.
OHB would be dependent on the trade period and draft. Currently he’s the 3rd best ruck on our list (2nd best if balta goes back to playing in defence) so can’t really cut a player based on that alone.
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And then there were 10…..
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Liam Fawcett
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Kaleb Smith
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
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Could realistically cut them all tbh or at least 8/10
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Could realistically cut them all tbh or at least 8/10
Clarke is a good player and his body has held up for the few games he has gotten. I think a 1 year deal or putting him on the rookie list is the way to go.
Burton too soon to tell. Only giving him 1 year from his draft year would be very harsh imo so another 1 year deal would be the way to go.
I’d cut the bottom 7. If you read between the obvious lines, Fawcett will be gone too which makes it 8. Do I realistically think they will move on 8 players + the 2 retirees? Not a chance. I think we need to prepare ourselves for the likes of HRS and Steely getting new deals.
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If it was up to me...
Keep:
Fawcett
50-50
OHB (depending on if we trade in a ruck/find a way to remove Ryan)
Burton 1yr deal
Clarke 1yr deal
Cut:
Green
HRS
MRJ
Smith
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
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Agree with all that just don’t think the club does lol
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TK you can bed the club will do the opposite lol.
Fawcett gone.
Burton and Clarke will get deals.
OHB gone probably too.
They'll keep HRS and MRJ, probably Trezise too. ugh
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I cannot fathom why they are not playing Fawcett.
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Smith and Fawcett officially delisted, leaves 8 remaining uncontracted.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
Liam Fawcett
Kaleb Smith
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Club haven't done much wrong for a long time.
Can just see a number of little things wrong creep in over last 2-3 years. Maybe Post Benny G, but delisted Fawcett seems stupid. Our 2 gun KP forwards are injury prone. I doubt we will be drafted another KF this year. Did we trial Fawcett down back where we seem to not be getting any stronger. We give Samson Ryan about 7 years to make it but don't offer Fawcett half that, especially considering his first year was ruined by injury/sickness.
Just a strange one.
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Club haven't done much wrong for a long time.
Can just see a number of little things wrong creep in over last 2-3 years. Maybe Post Benny G, but delisted Fawcett seems stupid. Our 2 gun KP forwards are injury prone. I doubt we will be drafted another KF this year. Did we trial Fawcett down back where we seem to not be getting any stronger. We give Samson Ryan about 7 years to make it but don't offer Fawcett half that, especially considering his first year was ruined by injury/sickness.
Just a strange one.
Yep totally wierd must have run over someone’s dog
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Club haven't done much wrong for a long time.
Can just see a number of little things wrong creep in over last 2-3 years. Maybe Post Benny G, but delisted Fawcett seems stupid. Our 2 gun KP forwards are injury prone. I doubt we will be drafted another KF this year. Did we trial Fawcett down back where we seem to not be getting any stronger. We give Samson Ryan about 7 years to make it but don't offer Fawcett half that, especially considering his first year was ruined by injury/sickness.
Just a strange one.
There is definitely reasons we aren’t privy to
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I would have delisted Lynch, Gibcus even though they are both contracted
They put all this energy into drafting Fawcett and Smith then don’t give them a go. We are meant to develop players
Playing Prestia was stupid when he is leaving
What gripes me is the delusional team selections each week and a game style as inspirational as a rock.
We are so far off it to believe anything else is drinking your own bath water
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Don’t mind them delisting smith but what was the purpose of giving him a 1year extension last year if they had no intention of playing him. We barely had enough players to field a side this year and he still couldn’t muster 1 game.
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I would have delisted Lynch, Gibcus even though they are both contracted
They put all this energy into drafting Fawcett and Smith then don’t give them a go. We are meant to develop players
Playing Prestia was stupid when he is leaving
What gripes me is the delusional team selections each week and a game style as inspirational as a rock.
We are so far off it to believe anything else is drinking your own bath water
Was playing broad stupid too?
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Don’t mind them delisting smith but what was the purpose of giving him a 1year extension last year if they had no intention of playing him. We barely had enough players to field a side this year and he still couldn’t muster 1 game.
What were you going to replace him with.
Our last spot was between a kid ruck with 1% chance of making it and respectfully burton who is very low ceiling.
I didn't like smith but them thinking he might kick on isn't that far fetched at the time.
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Don’t mind them delisting smith but what was the purpose of giving him a 1year extension last year if they had no intention of playing him. We barely had enough players to field a side this year and he still couldn’t muster 1 game.
What were you going to replace him with.
Our last spot was between a kid ruck with 1% chance of making it and respectfully burton who is very low ceiling.
I didn't like smith but them thinking he might kick on isn't that far fetched at the time.
Plenty of teams keep list spots available going into the season. Just because we are allowed a certain number of spots, doesn’t mean we need to use them. If they didn’t contract smith they may have used another pick in the MSD if they saw anyone worthwhile although tbf they could have done that by putting any other of the numerous injured players on the LTI with Gibcus.
I just call bs on them thinking he may kick on. They legit played every single player on the list ahead of him, veterans/cubs/rookies, even our SSP player. Smith was racking it up in the VFL and while a lot of them may have been junk possessions in the back half, it was still bizarre that he wasn’t afforded a single solitary game.
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I would have delisted Lynch, Gibcus even though they are both contracted
They put all this energy into drafting Fawcett and Smith then don’t give them a go. We are meant to develop players
Playing Prestia was stupid when he is leaving
What gripes me is the delusional team selections each week and a game style as inspirational as a rock.
We are so far off it to believe anything else is drinking your own bath water
Was playing broad stupid too?
I love Broady but probably yes
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Personally i would have prefered we keep Smith and cut Short. I would have preferred we keep Fawcett and cut Ryan. Ryan is actually replaced by Briggs. Fawcett gets another year to grow.
Rucks would be Nankervis, Briggs, with Sims as fwd/ruck and even Balta as a poor mans second ruck. Remember Carr and OH-B are both cat B rookies and are a free go at it. They don't actually cost a list spot. They should be looked at as long shots and unlikely to make it.
I think we could do a lot worse than taking HVH given he is a totally different type to both Nankervis and Briggs who are similar.
In three four years time HV-H and Sims look a great modern ruck combo to start going into finals with. Nankervis will be retired and Briggs around the 30 year mark. Would be a huge bonus if one of the cat B rookies actually become good players but there would be no reliance on it.
Delist
Rioli
Green
Both have had heaps of time and opportunity and failed.
It still leaves on the list Alger, Peucker, Mansell, and fwd/mids Hotton,Campbell. Truth is its an area that needs trimming.
If and i hope its not the case but it could be a reality we take one of Texiera or Butler we will have another mid forward. I really like the proven inside out mid with pace power and a great size and proven ball winning ability in Drever.
Point is we don't need Rioli or Green we already have better players with more potential to develop and we may even be adding to them with pick 2 if they go Texiera or Butler..
Ralpshite
Banks
Sonsie
all are not up to afl standard and have too many deficiencies. They all have had many opportunities and time to show they belong and failed.
We just have to do a hell of a lot better with outside types than these three.
Retire
Prestia
Broad.
Im a bit torn and ask myself should we have given Lynchy a gentle tap on the shoulder to add to the retiree list.
I dont think it is too hard to look at the list and say 15 - 20 need to go. As i have stated before i think the absolute minimum has to be 8 im looking at 10 and its easy to do.
This draft is a last chance saloon before Tassie starts raping the whole system.
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You've listed 5 names to cut Claw, +2 if we included the blokes already retired, +3 if we include the contracted Short, Ryan and Lynch.
Who are the other 5-10 you'd cut to get to 15-20?
I agree on all points otherwise, more or less.
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Broad.
Prestia.
Fawcett.
Smith.
Ohb.
Ralpshnith.
Trezise.
Rioli.
Sonsie.
Green.
Burton.
Clarke.
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Ohb has to be given a proper list spot if he is retained.
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Pies delisted 6 players today just a few days after their season ending.
What is causing us as more or less the worst team in the league to have only cut 2 players a week and a half after our season ended?
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You've listed 5 names to cut Claw, +2 if we included the blokes already retired, +3 if we include the contracted Short, Ryan and Lynch.
Who are the other 5-10 you'd cut to get to 15-20?
I agree on all points otherwise, more or less.
List turnover this year ive called for at least 10 turnovers.
So far the club have done this
OUT Prestia, Broad, Fawcett, Smith,
INS Briggs.
Need another 6 for the target of 10.
Ralphsmith. Rioli, Green, Sonsie, Ryan, Short. Would do em all in a heartbeat knowing a couple are contracted.
The next 5 which would have to wait until 2027
Lynch - was tempted to cut him this year. He has been given another year. Am interested to see what tall forwards become available this year.
Banks - Really is just a meh type and soft as butter. Maybe i should make the criteria 11 lol.
Trezise - Prefer him to Banks but he does lack skills. Another you could do this year.
Clarke - Just not sold on him and thats injuries aside. Need a huge year to PROVE HE ACTUALLY IS AFL STANDARD.
Burton - Happy to give him a second year but have grave doubts. If certain areas don't improve then it would be an easy delist.
A few others id be looking for upgrades on or hoping kids we have go past them soon.
Then in another two or three years we will be talking about ND busts that we have recenty taken and make no mistake we are not immune from it there will be busts.
I also think at the most Vlastuin Lynch Nankervis and Short will be gone along with Hopper when his contract runs out.
We have imo so much building to do still.
I hope i have it all wrong i really do but i think we will have to wait until around 2030 to play finals again.
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Agree with 8-10 being delisted but would flick Sampson, Tresize, Burton and Steely Greene. If we wanted to go deep because we have options to trade for mature talent then I would add HRS and Sonsie
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Is Trezise contracted for 2027? If not, I would move him on.
I'd consider Clarke too, tbh, or offer a rookie spot.
Banks, Short and Ryan are all (unfortunately) contracted for 2027 and if history tells us anything, that means they won't go. I would trade them all for anything, including throwing in our F3 if it meant someone else just took one of them.
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Trezise isnt contracted for 2027
Anyways.....
For reasons I cannot explain I listened to Yze on Talking Tigers last night perhaps in the hope it would give me some hope for 2027...
Anyways It was interesting hearing him talk about players
Think you can take Burton off the list of out of contract...as he was one player on that list that Yze spoke about as being part of the future
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Don't mind that given Burton is 19 years old.
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Yup delisted after 1 season would be incredibly harsh especially considering we’ve got guys that have been around for 5+ years who are out of contract and still haven’t been delisted.
I’d give Burton another 1 year deal. not sure if he’s on the primary or rookie list but would look to rookie him if possible and same with Juddy Clarke. The rest of the out of contract crew can go.
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I do think thry are waiting for the trade period before they do anymore delistings
Wait to see what happens there and then make final calls
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I really would like us to have a crack at getting some more picks or at least one
2, 21, 24, 30 to 35ish,38, 54, 70. Armstrong acadamy and Leys f/s with the last two
I really want us to be looking at the state leagues as well and utilise at least one rookie pick Anthony Depasquale 21yo mid size forward has kicked goals back end of the season in fact he has a couple of teammates worth looking at. Brady Wright is kicking goals for fun and Mun by all reports is having a great year talk about a tall player with a mighty leap.
What is in the water at Werribee.
A lot of state league clubs would have upgradeson our a lot of our players playing for them.
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They’ve mentioned in the article on the clubs website that juddy clarke is heading to the states with Gibbo. Do we take that to mean that he’s signed or will sign a new contract for next season? Be strange to send him to the states on the clubs coin if he’s not gonna be listed next season.
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They’ve mentioned in the article on the clubs website that juddy clarke is heading to the states with Gibbo. Do we take that to mean that he’s signed or will sign a new contract for next season? Be strange to send him to the states on the clubs coin if he’s not gonna be listed next season.
Idk if they have written it poorly.
Trying to say , Mykelti Lefau and Clarke went there previously.
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If it’s only Gibcus then horrible wording.
“The 23-year-old is heading to the University of Oregon to work with renowned strength and conditioning coach Jim Radcliffe, along with Mykelti Lefau and Judson Clarke, who trained there in May.”
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Yep it's like watching claw get the crayons out again
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If it’s only Gibcus then horrible wording.
“The 23-year-old is heading to the University of Oregon to work with renowned strength and conditioning coach Jim Radcliffe, along with Mykelti Lefau and Judson Clarke, who trained there in May.”
Or it could mean that Lefau & Juddy are going too, or Lefau is going but Juddy isn't or it could not!!!!
It is a bit confusing isn't it.
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They’ve mentioned in the article on the clubs website that juddy clarke is heading to the states with Gibbo. Do we take that to mean that he’s signed or will sign a new contract for next season? Be strange to send him to the states on the clubs coin if he’s not gonna be listed next season.
Idk if they have written it poorly.
Trying to say , Mykelti Lefau and Clarke went there previously.
But I don't think Lefau went previously
And if you read the entire article it clearly says Clarke is going with Gibcus
So I've taken the article to mena all 3 are heading to the US
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Well it's a good news story judson gets another contract.
Good luck to the young feller
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Tresize, Sonsie and Ryan officially delisted, leaves 6 remaining uncontracted although Rioli was rumoured to have signed a new 1 year deal, nothing has been announced by the club.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Samson Ryan
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
Liam Fawcett
Kaleb Smith
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Burton 1 year
Clarke de-list +/& rookie
Green de-list +/- rookie for me
OHB I would keep at this stage for structure in the VFL
HRS de-list
MRJ de-list
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Burton 1 year
Clarke de-list +/& rookie
Green de-list +/- rookie for me
OHB I would keep at this stage for structure in the VFL
HRS de-list
MRJ de-list
Well going by the pics the club posted on Twitter yesterday Hugo ain't going anywhere. He was put training at Waverley with a group of others
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So we now have picks Richmond picks 2, 5, 22 (compo after Essendon bid on Cochrane), 42 & 97.
Realistically we will certainly be drafting in 3 players, probably 4 and unlikely 5.
So let’s go with 4 for the purpose of analysing where our list sits as it stands.
From what I can gather our list breakdown sits like this including the out of contract but not yet delisted players. I have included OHB on the primary list as he can’t stay on the Cat B list after 3 years, he could in theory be delisted and redrafted as a rookie A but let’s just say he’s on the primary list for now.
Primary: 36 + 4 from national draft = 40
Rookie A: 1
Rookie B: 1
So we will need to delist at a minimum 2 of Clarke, Green, OHB, HRS and MRJ so we sit at the max. Primary list number of 38.
This would leave us with a core list (primary + rookie A) size of 39 and still give us flexibility to add 3 more players in the rookie/SSP/mid-season as you can have a total of 42. We’d also be able to add another 1 cat B rookie to go with Carr to bring our total overall list size to the max. of 44.
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Would be a very disappointing if we don't use 42 imo
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They almost certainly will be unless they receive a strong trade offer.
So who are the 2 being delisted?
If they are drafting HVH then OHB’s papers are stamped and I think Green is the other.
I’d personally rather see HRS and MRJ let go as they’ve had 5-6 years in the system and I think we have enough cover in their positions. Personally I wouldn’t mind delisting all 4 and just going into the season with less players on the list.
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They almost certainly will be unless they receive a strong trade offer.
So who are the 2 being delisted?
If they are drafting HVH then OHB’s papers are stamped and I think Green is the other.
I’d personally rather see HRS and MRJ let go as they’ve had 5-6 years in the system and I think we have enough cover in their positions. Personally I wouldn’t mind delisting all 4 and just going into the season with less players on the list.
Wouldn't mind keeping judson clarke.
Strikes me as potential decent wing / back / fwd depth
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Yeah the 4 I was talking about were HRS, MRJ, OHB and Green.
Realistically I doubt they go in with anything other than the max primary list size so only 2 will get the chop. Still gives them list space to add rookies in rookie draft/ssp/mid season draft.
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Yeah the 4 I was talking about were HRS, MRJ, OHB and Green.
Realistically I doubt they go in with anything other than the max primary list size so only 2 will get the chop. Still gives them list space to add rookies in rookie draft/ssp/mid season draft.
Add Burton to the conversation then who I think is the 6th and final out of contract.
Rookie list
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Yeah I don’t include him as it’s the primary list we are over the limit of. So we need to cut 2 of the 5 of the others.
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The thing that is apparent is that we have a lot of players on our list that we, and nobody else, wants.
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Steely Green & OHB delisted.
Excellent decision by the club. Thanks to both players but clearly not up to it.
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Does anyone know how many list places we now have?
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Agree with the recent delistings - Green perhaps a little unlucky that he got cut before the likes of HRS .
Glad we ripped the bandaid off .
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Green and OHB gone and I rekn that’s the end of our delistings. The remaining 4 out of contract will prob get 1 year deals.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Samson Ryan
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
Liam Fawcett
Kaleb Smith
Now leaves our list breakdown like this (assuming those 4 are re-signed).
Primary: 34
Rookie A: 1
Rookie B: 1
If we take 4 players at the national draft as expected our primary list will be at the max. capacity. We would be able to rookie A list 3 more players through the rookie draft, SSP, mid-season draft and still have 1 spot left on the rookie B list.
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Does anyone know how many list places we now have?
Four on the primary list I think.
Seven, pending rioli. Ralphsmith. Clarke.
Two rookie a. One if burton stays.
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Article from Club website about OHB and Green
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2152335/tigers-farewell-pair
Personally no issue with Green being delisted, agree with that call
Feel for OHB, considering where he came from I reckon he showed some very good signs. His back story is inspirational TBBH. Wish him all the best
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Article from Club website about OHB and Green
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2152335/tigers-farewell-pair
Personally no issue with Green being delisted, agree with that call
Feel for OHB, considering where he came from I reckon he showed some very good signs. His back story is inspirational TBBH. Wish him all the best
Ohb as a vfl listed player would be handy.
North interest in Sam Ryan apparently. :o
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North interest in Sam Ryan apparently. :o
I read that...staggering
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Hugo and Rioli staying instead of Green us baffling decision
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Hugo and Rioli staying instead of Green us baffling decision
Not really but all 3 should be gone o agree there. They are all equally average.
I'd try Rioli as a defender. It's his only chance of staying on the list.
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To let 2 Ruckman go , might give a hint to who Richmond have their eye on in the ND
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Looks to me like we will start 2027 with a full list of 44 players comprising 38 on the primary list, 4 on the Rookie A list and two on the Rookie B list. I am assuming Mykelti Lefau gets elevated to the primary list, we draft four kids in the National draft, one in the Rookie draft and we sign one Irishman to the Rookie B list. Here’s my rationale.
2026 list prior to retirements and delistings
Primary: 38
Rookie A: 5 (Kye Annand, Thomas Burton, Campbell Grey, Mykelti Lefau, James Trezise)
Rookie B: 2 (Patrick Carr, Oliver Hayes-Brown)
Total: 45
2026 list on first list lodgement (31st October)
Primary: 34
Out (Retired): 2 (Nathan Broad, Dion Prestia)
Out (Delisted): 5 (Steely Green, Liam Fawcett, Sampson Ryan, Kaleb Smith, Tyler Sonsie)
In (Free agents/Trades): 2 (Kieren Briggs, Nathan O’Driscoll)
In (Elevation from Rookie A): 1 (Mykelti Lefau)
Rookie A: 3
Out (Delisted): 1 (James Trezise)
Out (Elevation to Primary list): 1 (Mykelti Lefau)
Rookie B: 2
Out (Delisted): 1 (Oliver Hayes-Brown)
In (New signing): 1 (We will list one of the Irish lads who we’ve brought out to trial)
Total: 39
2027 list after AFL Draft and Rookie Draft
Primary: 38 (34 above plus AFL draft picks 2, 5, compensation pick 22, 44)
Rookie A: 4 (3 above plus Rookie draft pick 2)
Rookie B: 2 (Patrick Carr plus one Irish signing)
Total: 44
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Article from Club website about OHB and Green
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2152335/tigers-farewell-pair
Personally no issue with Green being delisted, agree with that call
Feel for OHB, considering where he came from I reckon he showed some very good signs. His back story is inspirational TBBH. Wish him all the best
Agree strongly with this. MRJ and HRS still being on the list ahead of them isn't right with me
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Club making a statement with the delistings. Didn't expect them to get rid of both Ryan and Steely but they did and rhey made the right decision. Even though ultimately OHB didn't make the standard required he deserves enormous credit for his efforts. Wish all of those delisted good luck in their future endeavors.
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To let 2 Ruckman go , might give a hint to who Richmond have their eye on in the ND
Yep think its highly likely. Oh well.
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What is now becoming more baffling is why we did not go harder for more picks in this draft rather than settling for just pick 5 and only ending up with how many nd picks.
What a lost opportunity to add real depth in several areas.
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What is now becoming more baffling is why we did not go harder for more picks in this draft rather than settling for just pick 5 and only ending up with how many nd picks.
What a lost opportunity to add real depth in several areas.
How do you know we didn’t?
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North interest in Sam Ryan apparently. :o
I read that...staggering
Not really when you consider CCJ
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North interest in Sam Ryan apparently. :o
I read that...staggering
Not really when you consider CCJ
I think CJ now realises he should have stayed at the Tigers
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Looks to me like we will start 2027 with a full list of 44 players comprising 38 on the primary list, 4 on the Rookie A list and two on the Rookie B list. I am assuming Mykelti Lefau gets elevated to the primary list, we draft four kids in the National draft, one in the Rookie draft and we sign one Irishman to the Rookie B list. Here’s my rationale.
2026 list prior to retirements and delistings
Primary: 38
Rookie A: 5 (Kye Annand, Thomas Burton, Campbell Grey, Mykelti Lefau, James Trezise)
Rookie B: 2 (Patrick Carr, Oliver Hayes-Brown)
Total: 45
2026 list on first list lodgement (31st October)
Primary: 34
Out (Retired): 2 (Nathan Broad, Dion Prestia)
Out (Delisted): 5 (Steely Green, Liam Fawcett, Sampson Ryan, Kaleb Smith, Tyler Sonsie)
In (Free agents/Trades): 2 (Kieren Briggs, Nathan O’Driscoll)
In (Elevation from Rookie A): 1 (Mykelti Lefau)
Rookie A: 3
Out (Delisted): 1 (James Trezise)
Out (Elevation to Primary list): 1 (Mykelti Lefau)
Rookie B: 2
Out (Delisted): 1 (Oliver Hayes-Brown)
In (New signing): 1 (We will list one of the Irish lads who we’ve brought out to trial)
Total: 39
2027 list after AFL Draft and Rookie Draft
Primary: 38 (34 above plus AFL draft picks 2, 5, compensation pick 22, 44)
Rookie A: 4 (3 above plus Rookie draft pick 2)
Rookie B: 2 (Patrick Carr plus one Irish signing)
Total: 44
Just 4 ND picks in the last deep draft before tassie is a disgrace. To top it off to have just one late nd pick left is crazy.
there are so many whos careers are on a knifes edge and we won't have the ability to clean em all out if we wish.
Short, Rioli, Ralphsmith, (Clarke Gibcus Smillie ) all injuries and the obvious question is can they get back to afl level for starters.
Burton, Banks, Brown Mansell reported as gone to tassie who knows, Lefau is a bit filler , Lynch Nankervis and maybe even Vlastuin all retire, other do need to improve Armstrong needs a big year McAuliffe needs a big year stagnate and they could be in trouble.
I dont believe we have a long term strategy for way too long they make it up as they go.
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North interest in Sam Ryan apparently. :o
I read that...staggering
Not really when you consider CCJ
I think CJ now realises he should have stayed at the Tigers
Sheesh people still lamenting CC-J. Unbelievable.
He was your typival dual role ruck/fwd that you avoid, just okay at best in both roles not good enough in one of them.
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North interest in Sam Ryan apparently. :o
I read that...staggering
Not really when you consider CCJ
I think CJ now realises he should have stayed at the Tigers
Sheesh people still lamenting CC-J. Unbelievable.
He was your typival dual role ruck/fwd that you avoid, just okay at best in both roles not good enough in one of them.
::)
Perhaps I should have added one of these
:sarcasm2
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North interest in Sam Ryan apparently. :o
I read that...staggering
Not really when you consider CCJ
I think CJ now realises he should have stayed at the Tigers
Sheesh people still lamenting CC-J. Unbelievable.
Who is lamenting ?
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Hugo and Rioli staying instead of Green us baffling decision
We have something like 8 players with 100 games.
Another 9 with 50.
Keeping the more experienced and letting go on green who isn't good is alright imo
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MRJ and Ralphsmith 1 year deals leave Burton and Clarke the last out of contract players remaining. Would expect similar deals for them, maybe they delist juddy and move him to the rookie list.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Samson Ryan
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
Liam Fawcett
Kaleb Smith
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I would rather have Green or Sonsie than MRJ or HRS
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It is what it is at this point.
I would have been ok if they delisted them all except for Burton and Clarke
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It appears the club sees HRS as more versatile and were heavily influenced in their decision-making by his game against the Eagles.
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Using my the blokes in the unofficial training pics are getting extension
Juddy Clarke will be announced next
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MRJ and Ralphsmith 1 year deals leave Burton and Clarke the last out of contract players remaining. Would expect similar deals for them, maybe they delist juddy and move him to the rookie list.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Samson Ryan
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
Liam Fawcett
Kaleb Smith
The club has announced Clarke and Burton staying.
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Yup. Close thread for 2026.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Samson Ryan
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
Liam Fawcett
Kaleb Smith
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Absolutely gutless performance from those in charge
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Yup. Close thread for 2026.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Samson Ryan
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
Liam Fawcett
Kaleb Smith
So we cut 7.
I'm thrilled they got rid of Ryan. Glad to some extend about Trezise as well.
The ones staying; Clarke, HRS, MRH and Burton, honestly I only would have kept Burton at best.
I think all of Green, Sonsie, Fawcett, Smith and OHB would have had more value on the list than the likes of MRJ, HRS, Ryan, Trezise, Clarke.
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Yup. Close thread for 2026.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Samson Ryan
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
Liam Fawcett
Kaleb Smith
So we cut 7.
I'm thrilled they got rid of Ryan. Glad to some extend about Trezise as well.
The ones staying; Clarke, HRS, MRH and Burton, honestly I only would have kept Burton at best.
I think all of Green, Sonsie, Fawcett, Smith and OHB would have had more value on the list than the likes of MRJ, HRS, Ryan, Trezise, Clarke.
Clarke has more ability in his left pinky finger than Burton in his body
Just hoping his body can hold up
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Yup. Close thread for 2026.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Samson Ryan
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
Liam Fawcett
Kaleb Smith
So we cut 7.
I'm thrilled they got rid of Ryan. Glad to some extend about Trezise as well.
The ones staying; Clarke, HRS, MRH and Burton, honestly I only would have kept Burton at best.
I think all of Green, Sonsie, Fawcett, Smith and OHB would have had more value on the list than the likes of MRJ, HRS, Ryan, Trezise, Clarke.
Clarke has more ability in his left pinky finger than Burton in his body
Just hoping his body can hold up
I agree.
But at least Burton is available to play pretty much all the time.
Clarke has been good company for Smillie etc to date.
Hope this changes, but as I posted elsewhere - would you keep Clarke in 2028 if he does another ACL in 2027? This is the sticking point for a lot of people. I may just have been prepared to cut him one ACL earlier than you.
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One more ACL and he’s gone
But if we were going to cut him, it should have been this time last year when he was still looking at long term rehab. Not when he’s about to actually have a preseason.
His body is right now, so it’s time to show what he’s capable of, or it’s ooroo
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Yup. Close thread for 2026.
Tom Burton
Judson Clarke
Hugo Ralphsmith
Maurice Rioli
Steely Green
Oliver Hayes-Brown
Samson Ryan
Tyler Sonsie
James Trezise
Liam Fawcett
Kaleb Smith
So we cut 7.
I'm thrilled they got rid of Ryan. Glad to some extend about Trezise as well.
The ones staying; Clarke, HRS, MRH and Burton, honestly I only would have kept Burton at best.
I think all of Green, Sonsie, Fawcett, Smith and OHB would have had more value on the list than the likes of MRJ, HRS, Ryan, Trezise, Clarke.
Clarke has more ability in his left pinky finger than Burton in his body
Just hoping his body can hold up
I agree.
But at least Burton is available to play pretty much all the time.
Clarke has been good company for Smillie etc to date.
Hope this changes, but as I posted elsewhere - would you keep Clarke in 2028 if he does another ACL in 2027? This is the sticking point for a lot of people. I may just have been prepared to cut him one ACL earlier than you.
What if his knee doesn't blow up again and he turns out a decent player?
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We’ve made 9 changes overall and there’s probably another 3-5 who’s heads are on chopping block already for season 2027. Which is good. Let’s see if they can step up - Juddy is one of those.
Sounds like Mansell and Nank might be going so our base case is another 6-9 again which feels about right.
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Every club’s players coming out of contract at the end of the 2027 AFL season
Callum Dick
HeraldSun
October 22, 2026
RICHMOND
OUT OF CONTRACT: Campbell Gray, Jasper Alger, Josh Smillie, Judson Clarke, Kane McAuliffe, Kye Annand, Luke Trainor, Maurice Rioli, Noah Roberts-Thomson, Patrick Carr, Sam Banks, Tom Burton, Tom Sims, Tom Brown, Zane Peucker
FREE AGENTS: Hugo Ralphsmith, Jayden Short, Nick Vlastuin, Rhyan Mansell, Toby Nankervis, Tom Lynch
This has to be the year the Tigers get full seasons into their stack of star youngsters, otherwise the crater at the foot of the table could swallow them up. Rhyan Mansell is in Tasmania’s sights while Jayden Short, Nick Vlastuin, Tom Lynch and Toby Nankervis could all be out at season’s end for various reasons. Having shed so much experience already could the Tigers afford to lose any number of those five at the end of ’27? Yes – so long as the next wave doesn’t spend half the season in the rehab room.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/every-clubs-players-coming-out-of-contract-at-the-end-of-the-2027-afl-season/news-story/4f8210ccdd3388028685823556c63d09