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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 06, 2022, 11:21:59 PM
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That time of the year for player reviews. First up is Ross.
In his 4th season, Jack played 15 games (including one as an unused sub) to take his career tally to 44.
Season Highlights:
● 25 disps (11 kicks 14 hballs), 5 marks in Round 15 3-pt loss to Geelong at the MCG (25 June 2022)
● 24 disps ( 7 kicks 17 hballs), 6 marks in Round 5 19-pt loss to Adelaide at Adelaide Oval (16 April 2022)
● 23 disps (11 kicks 12 hballs), 8 marks and a goal in Elimination Final 2-pt loss to Brisbane at the Gabba (1 Sep 2022)
● 21 disps (10 kicks 11 hballs), 7 marks and a goal in Round 23 66-pt win over Essendon at the MCG (20 August 2022)
● 20 disps (14 kicks 6 hballs), 8 marks in Round 1 25-pt loss to Carlton at the MCG (17 March 2022)
Career stats:
Games Kicks Hballs Disp. Marks Tackles G.B Clear. In50 Re50 GA
2019 7 8.3 9.0 17.3 2.4 3.1 1.2 3.4 3.3 1.3 0.3
2020 7 6.9 6.4 13.3 2.0 2.9 0.0 1.4 2.1 0.9 0.6
2021 15 (4) 5.1 5.5 10.6 2.9 1.5 2.0 0.8 1.5 0.9 0.1
2022 15 (1) 8.3 8.4 16.7 4.6 1.3 3.1 1.6 3.1 1.1 0.5
n.b. (number of times as unused sub).
https://www.stuff-ross
https://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2898
How did we all rate Ross' season?
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Put together 2 good games in a row ( one being a pressure final ) which is probably a first and will give him great confidence moving forward.
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Hot and cold mostly but finished well. Outside game has improved. Still young. 6/10
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Put together 2 good games in a row ( one being a pressure final ) which is probably a first and will give him great confidence moving forward.
Two games doesn’t make a season
I’m giving this full seasons work a 3, and think I’m being generous
Hopefully it becomes a 6 or 7 next year and he becomes more consistent
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Wow 😮
Someone gave him an 8
My goodness .. the bar is set lower for some than others
I didn’t realise voting was
“Rate a players year, taking into account what you expect from the individual”
If Ross gets an 8, we better change the voting so the Bolton’s and Prestia’s of the world can get triple figures LMAO
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Put together 2 good games in a row ( one being a pressure final ) which is probably a first and will give him great confidence moving forward.
Two games doesn’t make a season
I’m giving this full seasons work a 3, and think I’m being generous
Hopefully it becomes a 6 or 7 next year and he becomes more consistent
Same as Damo
No dispute his good is very good as we saw in the 3 excellent games he played in 2022
But.....
The gap between those and the poor ones is still massive. There is nothing in between. And overall and being honest here there were more poor ones than good ones
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I think his form in the second half of the year was a significant improvement.
And he was one of our best in the final last week.
I gave him a 7 based on how much he improved over the course of the season.
Hopefully it's all starting to click for him.
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Got a 6/10 for me. If 5/10 is breaking even then I gave him one extra point simply for improving more than I thought he would.
Still a depth player for me unless he goes to another level again.
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Finally let's hope we settled him in a position.
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Points toward the Jack Dyer Medal are based on expectations v output. So for Dusty the expectations are high and result judged off that. For Ross the expectations are lower. So both could be rated a 6 even though Dusty's output is significantly higher.
Ross has shown a steady performance improvement curve over 22. Now at 44 games he has the experience level for expectations on his output to increase. Going to be tough to get midfield time in 23, if we get both Taranto and Hopper, but that is the challenge he faces.
If he continues to improve can see him becoming the Mr Fix It role, filling in for injuries etc
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Coming along well. He's hit that 40-50 game mark and is starting to look and play like he belongs at the level. Not everyone is a champion in their first 50 games. I think he'll settle in and become a very solid inside mid.
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I reckon 3 is way too harsh and 8 too optimistic. I remember Paul Williams once talking about Heath Shaw and urging fans to be patient because it generally takes 4-5 years for a player to get comfortable at AFL level consistently.
He’s been thrown all over the ground but is limited in where he can play - he’s an inside mid which is where he’s going best.
I’m optimistic that gaps between best and worst footy will rapidly diminish next year as he finally matures.
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I reckon 3 is way too harsh and 8 too optimistic. I remember Paul Williams once talking about Heath Shaw and urging fans to be patient because it generally takes 4-5 years for a player to get comfortable at AFL level consistently.
He’s been thrown all over the ground but is limited in where he can play - he’s an inside mid which is where he’s going best.
I’m optimistic that gaps between best and worst footy will rapidly diminish next year as he finally matures.
If 3 is way too harsh I’ll explain my reasoning
1- he only got selected 15 times
2- in my opinion he was only decent in what 5-6 of those ? Let’s say half the time being generous
Still not a pass mark for me
With 4-5 games to go people were calling for him to be dropped/traded/delisted
This rating is for the SEASON, not the last month
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Put together 2 good games in a row ( one being a pressure final ) which is probably a first and will give him great confidence moving forward.
Two games doesn’t make a season
I’m giving this full seasons work a 3, and think I’m being generous
Hopefully it becomes a 6 or 7 next year and he becomes more consistent
I didn’t say 2 games made a season. I said his trajectory is heading the right way.
I gave him a 6 based on expectations and level of ability.
3 is ridiculous. That means he played way below expectations.
I’d give that to Dusty based on history. Not Ross
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Ross was just a pass mainly because he strung a few together at the end, so just a 6
I have a bit of confidence now but a couple of months ago he would be trade bait
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Put together 2 good games in a row ( one being a pressure final ) which is probably a first and will give him great confidence moving forward.
Two games doesn’t make a season
I’m giving this full seasons work a 3, and think I’m being generous
Hopefully it becomes a 6 or 7 next year and he becomes more consistent
I didn’t say 2 games made a season. I said his trajectory is heading the right way.
I gave him a 6 based on expectations and level of ability.
3 is ridiculous. That means he played way below expectations.
I’d give that to Dusty based on history. Not Ross
I did my rating on what was delivered
Not on expectations
Just a different way of forming an opinion I guess
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Reckon his games vs top side Cats and in final vs Lions need a higher weighting. Also, he’s 21 and you’d need to acknowledge that at 21, a 6 is an easier rating at that point of his career than K Mac who has been around for nearly 10 years.
I know and respect you’ve rated him differently but I guess it’s also valid to use a different criteria to make a point with a nod to the future
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Gave him a 4 and thats being generous imo.
If we are going hard at Taranto and hopper what does that say about the likes of Ross RC-D Dow etc.
Just doesnt have the skillset to be damaging playing mostly outside. Trouble is he has done little to say he will be any good on the inside.
For me just a meh take him or leave type of player.
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I give him a 3, solely based on his last 2 games.
Too slow for me and doesn’t impact enough contests. Won’t make it.
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I don’t really understand why some are so negative on the young guy, I thought his second half of the year was rather good barring maybe a couple of games coming back from injury. His disposal seems to have improved, went at 83% efficiently this year vs 75% in 2022, while also getting more of the pill.
He’s also getting more dangerous, doubling his inside 50s and score involvements year on year, and he started hitting the scoreboard himself which I really liked, three goals in the last three games.
His back half to me was a 7, though the first half wasn’t amazing, I’ll say a 6 overall.
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Still has not got back to what he was giving in his first season which was decent and promising for a first year player.
End of fourth season and 44 games under his belt here we have people wanting to rate him on two games this year.
Not real sure how his trajectory is going the right way when we got more from him in his first year.
There is a body of work to judge him by so why not judge him by it.
Every year he has had mostly mediocre games with the odd good one here and there to keep people on board.
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From the RFC website:
In his 15 senior appearances for the season (several as the medical substitute), Ross averaged 16.7 disposals, 4.6 marks, 3.1 inside-50s, 4.9 score involvements and 282.5 metres gained.
But if you look at his last three games of the season, those averages were substantially boosted – 21.0 disposals, 6.6 marks, 1.0 goals, 4.3 inside-50s, 10.0 score involvements and 338.3 metres gained.
What stood out with Ross’ game in 2022, particularly at the tail end of the season, was his hard running and ability to create opportunities for teammates through efficient disposal.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1215803/ross-rising
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Poor Jack would be filthy on Hopper and Taranto coming.
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Poor Jack would be filthy on Hopper and Taranto coming.
Could find himself on the trade table, especially with Hopper coming in.
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Poor Jack would be filthy on Hopper and Taranto coming.
Could find himself on the trade table, especially with Hopper coming in.
the old "sign him to a multi year deal then trade him". Classic :whistle
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I give him a 3, solely based on his last 2 games.
Too slow for me and doesn’t impact enough contests. Won’t make it.
:clapping yes also a 3 from me.