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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 28, 2022, 06:16:56 AM
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Did Cotchin make the right call to play on?
Richmond veterans Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt signed one-year deals to have a shot at a fourth flag in 2023. Was it the right call?
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-2022-list-analysis-every-tigers-contract-status/news-story/27c724262222b79f1e4dd7746987c97e).
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Time will tell
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What’s the criteria for them to not play?
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I thought Cotchin's year was just as good as any he produced in 2018 thru 2021.
He was sorely needed last year to allow us to win a bit of contested ball and clearances. With Taranto and Hopper and hopefully Dusty over his of field and injury issues it really frees Cotchin up to play whatever role we want for him it also allows us to keep him fresh and healthy thru the year.
Not sure why the question is even being asked he was easily our second best mid last year and based on that his latest block of form he remains in the top 5 mids at the club.
JR well statistically at least he had a very good year. But we all know the stats don't always tell the truth or the whole story. Reckon thats the case this year. Jack looked horrible for good chunks of the year but despite that still kicked 40 goals.
Pretty simple really for the club, not neccesarily Jack. It was the right call for him to play on. Have to keep saying it until we find at the least one other genuine key forward he is going to keep getting games and will probably be one of the first picked each week.
Strongly believe still it is imperative we play with three talls in the fwd half getting experience into maybe Miller as a stuff he looks okay at both or yep im gunna say it again continue the experiment with Balta.
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Time will tell
Exactly. Based on form and team needs they absolutely did but hindsight will be 20:20 as usual
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If they use them wisely as mentors and give them a break / rest to bring in the kids for experience it will be a good move
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Let's revisit end of September 2023
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100%
In Riewoldts case it's whether or not the club has done the right thing by not bringing in another key forward in addition to JR going round again. Chimp was a no brainer though
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Jack Riewoldt and Trent Cotchin are too old and shouldn’t have gone around again?
Watson: “It’s too early to say. I think it’s overstated. It’s too early to say whether that is the case. Everyone is a watch when you get to a certain stage in this game. What is hard to quantify is having them there as a leader in the dressing room every day and what effect that has and how important that is.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/06/overstated-or-understated-analysing-pre-season-afl-storylines-and-headlines/
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Well what would you have thought of Richo and his effect when retiring? IIRC Richo was as plonked on the wing and almost won the Brownlow in his last year…?
Different scenarios I know but maybe they are done and need to step aside.
Anyway they are here this year so let’s see what happens
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They could be 100% right. What is never said is outside of TL who is a better tall fwd than Jack on the list.
Same goes for Trent. Outside of say 5 mids and we go with as many as 10 on game days who is a better option for the role.
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It depends on the understanding all parties reached for them to stick around.
Hopefully it is understood that they aren't walk up starts. 15/22 games from each seems about right.
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CARLTON GREAT QUESTIONS RICHMOND'S DECISION TO CONTINUE PLAYING TIGER ICONS RIEWOLDT AND COTCHIN
By Jack Makeham
SEN
18 March 2023
Carlton great Mark Maclure has questioned Richmond’s decision to play club greats ahead of some of the club’s young prospects in Thursday’s draw with Carlton.
Speaking specifically of veterans Jack Riewoldt and Trent Cotchin, Maclure raised the idea that it might be time for Richmond to tell the pair to step aside after neither had much of an impact in the Round 1 clash.
“I looked at Jack Riewoldt and I looked at Trent Cotchin, are (Richmond) brave enough to tell them something,” he said on SEN's Crunch Time.
“Is there a chance that they’re brave enough to tell them that maybe it’s time.
“They didn’t put the youth in, there was hardly any youth in the Richmond side if you go back and have a look.”
In comparison to the Tigers, Carlton named two debutants in the season opener, with the pair of 2022 draft picks Ollie Hollands and Lachie Cowan making their first appearance at senior level.
“(Carlton) played two brand new kids… that’s brave to do that,” Maclure said.
“Those two kids who come in at 18 years of age and turn up in front of 80,000 people, that’s an experience of a lifetime.”
Despite placing emphasis on youth, Maclure did note that the Blues’ inexperience did cost them in the end, with their close-game difficulties from last season reappearing in the season opener.
“The last four games, that’s showing that (Carlton) don’t finish well,” he said.
Full article here: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/18/carlton-great-questions-richmonds-decision-to-continue-playing-tiger-icons/
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At what point do we start questioning the media for rolling out this bias, pig headed, ass wipe, geriatric idiot. Absolute flog....
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Does he question Hawkins etc...
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They're both still best 22 and we're aiming for a premiership, so they play. Simple as that
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This senile old git is consistently anti-Richmond
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Does he question Hawkins etc...
Who kicked one more goal but has less possessions, no tackles (Jack laid 4) and really has a similar impact…
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Maclure offers no insight beyond stating the obvious.
He was driving the Teague train but jumped off him pretty quick but gave SEN some golden old school rants.
I think sen keep him around so he can unleash on the Cheats if they fail.
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I actually thought Jack was very lovely early.
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I thought JR average overall. Thought Trent very servicable and only had about 67% game time which is ideal imo.
Every time this comes up journalists never ask themselves what kids are better or even who can take their place.
In Jacks case there is only really Bradtke and Bauer as genuine tall fwds. They are not getting a game instead of Jack atm.
What we are getting wrong imo is not playing Ryan with Tom and Jack who is a ruck/fwd and is showing great signs.
Atm imo it is others who should come out of the team to allow youngsters like Sonsie to play.One of them is a 22yo in Ross.
Atm Cotchin is still one of our best 5 or 6 mids and thus warrants a game weather he is 22 or 32.
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I actually thought Jack was very lovely early.
He was rather lovely, wasn't he. Splendid.
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Lively, lovely and learned. Jack R and his 3 Ls
He was super early. At least I thought he was, especially for a bloke closer to 40 than 30.
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I would rest them both this week. Play Ryan & Sonsie
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I would rest them both this week. Play Ryan & Sonsie
What are you doing resting blokes in round 2?
I'd have Sonsie in my best 22. I'd assume he is short of a gallop at the moment otherwise he'd be in. Then again I assumed the same for Cumberland but apparently he and Martin can't play in the same side at the present time.
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I would rest them both this week. Play Ryan & Sonsie
Why can't Ryan play with Riewoldt and Lynch. Why is that problematical.
Nothing but plusses in playing Ryan. We get a 206cm second ruck to help Nankervis and we get a 206cm tall fwd who is taking marks and kicking goals to take heat away from both Lynch and Riewoldt. Where does it say your not allowed to play three tall fwds.
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I would rest them both this week. Play Ryan & Sonsie
Why can't Ryan play with Riewoldt and Lynch. Why is that problematical.
Nothing but plusses in playing Ryan. We get a 206cm second ruck to help Nankervis and we get a 206cm tall fwd who is taking marks and kicking goals to take heat away from both Lynch and Riewoldt. Where does it say your not allowed to play three tall fwds.
Agreed. His development this summer has been enormous.
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I'd say fwd pressure is a concern. Dusty doesn't pressure enough so the system doesn't allow a 2nd who doesn't eg Ryan or Cumberland.
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Fair dinkum its like pulling teeth. If people don't want to see they just dont.
How is fwd pressure a concern. Fwd conversion is an enormous concern. FFS its not 2019 the game has changed.
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Fair dinkum its like pulling teeth. If people don't want to see they just dont.
How is fwd pressure a concern. Fwd conversion is an enormous concern. FFS its not 2019 the game has changed.
We are changing our game style (just as everyone else is copying us). More attention to getting first use of the ball through clearances.
Need forwards who can take marks and/or scrounge the goals from loose balls. Pressure will still be required but wont need to be the maniac pressure of the past few years
Scoreboard pressure has always been the best pressure gauge
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Absolutely agree.
The Hocking rule (stand) was designed to prevent us from defending space and locking the ball in. Forward pressure is now less of a concern.
We need blokes that win marking and loose ball contests, then kick goals. Cumberland kicks goals, therefore he should be playing.
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I disagree. Pressure, tackling and defence will still be king when it matters most. No point kicking 100 points if you allow the opposition to kick 120. We found that out last year. H&A season we were AFL#1 for points scored but AFL#9 for points conceded. Then got bounced out of the elimination fin where I can’t remember the score exactly but I’m pretty sure we kicked over 100 but lions obviously kicked a few more.
Not saying the inclusion of Cumberland or Ryan or both into that forward line necessarily means our forward pressure turns to crap but it’s all about finding the right balance. Don’t think we’ll be anything but a middling side if we take a gung-ho offensive approach.
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Reckon we are missing the obvious here. Why is Cumberland the problem? His defensive output far outweighs Martins and it really has been disingenuous by Hardwick in particular to suggest there was a problem with it. That is a lie.Just go look at his 8 games last year.
The problem is Dusty is a horrid pressure player but very damaging with the ball so we play very ordinary blokes like Mansell and Castagna to cover for him. 1 tackle and just the one 1% and he rarely chases the other way but thats okay its Dusty we will just drop a goal kicker and bring in a defensive plodder to cover for him.
Cumberland is not the problem imo. His defensive output at the level has been more than adequate the problem is the mids we play thru there.
Im asking what is so wrong with playing a goal kicking small the most prolific one we have who can also apply pressure which he does.
Get those lazy mids working defensively and we don't have to drop anyone.
Just a take on it and imo there is truth in it.
Other question is how many defensive fwds do we need MRJ is now a regular and his primary role it seems is to pressure.
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Kane Cornes put up this graphic on Footy Classified last night.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/richmond/CotchinRiewoldtFootyClassifiedStatsR32023.png)
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1642873310408060928
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Please we're three games in.
Jack doing OK in other metrics and Cotchin was great last year, had every reason to go one more.
They might have gone one too long but we had precious little other options and I don't expect them to play 18+ games each maybe 15ish.
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Please we're three games in.
Jack doing OK in other metrics and Cotchin was great last year, had every reason to go one more.
They might have gone one too long but we had precious little other options and I don't expect them to play 18+ games each maybe 15ish.
Understand Andy but they are not the future, they are clogging the list and need to stand aside to give our youngsters a go.
We need to trust our recruiters and not just search for wins.
If you want a different perspective ask yourself, what club would put Riewoldt or Cotchin on their list ??
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Please we're three games in.
Jack doing OK in other metrics and Cotchin was great last year, had every reason to go one more.
They might have gone one too long but we had precious little other options and I don't expect them to play 18+ games each maybe 15ish.
Understand Andy but they are not the future, they are clogging the list and need to stand aside to give our youngsters a go.
We need to trust our recruiters and not just search for wins.
If you want a different perspective ask yourself, what club would put Riewoldt or Cotchin on their list ??
That's why I think they should only be playing 15 games or so. Get some games into Bradtke, Miller, Ryan, Bauer, Sonsie, Dow and Clarke as well.
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At the end of the day no one is bigger then the club champions or not we need to start the transition now.
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Please we're three games in.
Jack doing OK in other metrics and Cotchin was great last year, had every reason to go one more.
They might have gone one too long but we had precious little other options and I don't expect them to play 18+ games each maybe 15ish.
Yep you have to look for yourself when it comes to cornes.
three games in okay.
Career disposal average 22.91 this year 19.33
Career i50 average 3.73 this year 3.00
Career Clearance average 4.83 this year 4.00
Yes it looks down a bit BUT.
The one game he has had normal game time which equals opportunity he has the following
79% GAME TIME
Disposals 23
I50 5.o
Clearances 4.0
C/P 9
The obvious conclusion is when he has less game time he has less possesions oh boy what a revelation.
When he has what i will call his normal game time he is still where he has been for his career except Clearances and theres a reason for that its called Hopper and Taranto.
Why people continually buy into anything this nuff nuff says is bewildering.
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When it Comes to Riewoldt well my views are their for all to see.
Until there is a better option Jack is a needed player What i will argue and have argued about is not dropping Riewoldt but developing a third tall or stuff while he is there. Most other clubs manage to do it why can't we?
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When it Comes to Riewoldt well my views are their for all to see.
Until there is a better option Jack is a needed player What i will argue and have argued about is not dropping Riewoldt but developing a third tall or stuff while he is there. Most other clubs manage to do it why can't we?
Samson Ryan has been int the team the last two weeks…
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When it Comes to Riewoldt well my views are their for all to see.
Until there is a better option Jack is a needed player What i will argue and have argued about is not dropping Riewoldt but developing a third tall or stuff while he is there. Most other clubs manage to do it why can't we?
Samson Ryan has been int the team the last two weeks…
As i said my views over a very long period are there for all to see.
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Jack and Cotch are in the team to mentor the younger blokes, of course they are not going to be ripping games apart any more, it’s time for others to step up and take the role
Funny the cowards in the media haven’t attacked other sides ageing players when they don’t fire, we are soft targets for some
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Jack and Cotch are in the team to mentor the younger blokes, of course they are not going to be ripping games apart any more, it’s time for others to step up and take the role
Funny the cowards in the media haven’t attacked other sides ageing players when they don’t fire, we are soft targets for some
Gotta ask what younger blokes are they mentoring. If we did not have some injuries they would still be mentoring all their regular mates.
What big inside mid kids have we played what young key fwds have we played. FFS these two are now well into their 30's and we have not seen fit to play kids with them for years yet alone this year. In fact we have hardly seen fit to draft either type apart from the odd one for years.
If we had we may not be in the situation we are now in.Forced to trade for Taranto and Hopper and in desperation Taking Bauer and Bradtke with nothing picks.
List management in this has been abysmal and as usual supporters just turn a blind eye.
They are both there to perform the roles they have always performed because they are quite easily still the best options in front of others.
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haven’t you ever been down to a football club before , they have a thing called training and they do it regularly. This is where kids can be mentored
The kids are getting a game through injury so what , that’s how it works in most clubs and is what I suggested some time ago, no surprises here, if you want to play too many kids at the same time before they develop without senior players to support them then you end down the bottom like Hawthorn. The kids can develop in the 2’s or when in the seniors when we don’t have a chance of making finals
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When it Comes to Riewoldt well my views are their for all to see.
Until there is a better option Jack is a needed player What i will argue and have argued about is not dropping Riewoldt but developing a third tall or stuff while he is there. Most other clubs manage to do it why can't we?
Samson Ryan has been int the team the last two weeks…
As i said my views over a very long period are there for all to see.
Ryan is clearly a developing ruck/forward playing alongside Jack, so your point about us not developing one while Jack is there is blatantly incorrect.
We also have Bauer and Bradtke in the VFL.
I know you love exploring every possible negative angle you can find when it comes to RFC, but you need to look elsewhere in this instance.
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Correct if I’m wrong but didn’t Dipper play over 50 reserves games before he got a senior spot , there are others too which I can’t remember right now , but done correctly the reserves can be the stepping stone to things greater
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I disagree. Pressure, tackling and defence will still be king when it matters most. No point kicking 100 points if you allow the opposition to kick 120. We found that out last year. H&A season we were AFL#1 for points scored but AFL#9 for points conceded. Then got bounced out of the elimination fin where I can’t remember the score exactly but I’m pretty sure we kicked over 100 but lions obviously kicked a few more.
Not saying the inclusion of Cumberland or Ryan or both into that forward line necessarily means our forward pressure turns to crap but it’s all about finding the right balance. Don’t think we’ll be anything but a middling side if we take a gung-ho offensive approach.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Looks like we'll be resting both of them once a month it seems to get them through the season and to give the cubs some proper gametime with an eye to the future.
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Good move to rest them would have liked to see Miller in though
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Despite Hardwick stressing the Tigers would rest their veterans, it comes as a surprise against the Bulldogs, who are finals contenders despite their slow start to the season.
"Our older players, we've openly spoken about the fact they won't play every game," Hardwick told reporters on Thursday.
"There's going to be opportunities throughout the year where we sit there and go 'This is a game where we're going to manage a certain player or two'.
"We've got a long-term plan in mind and we need to make sure we're consistent with that plan."
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/cotchin-riewoldt-managed-for-tigers-clash-with-dogs-c-10273762
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When it Comes to Riewoldt well my views are their for all to see.
Until there is a better option Jack is a needed player What i will argue and have argued about is not dropping Riewoldt but developing a third tall or stuff while he is there. Most other clubs manage to do it why can't we?
Samson Ryan has been int the team the last two weeks…
As i said my views over a very long period are there for all to see.
Ryan is clearly a developing ruck/forward playing alongside Jack, so your point about us not developing one while Jack is there is blatantly incorrect.
We also have Bauer and Bradtke in the VFL.
I know you love exploring every possible negative angle you can find when it comes to RFC, but you need to look elsewhere in this instance.
Clearly if one is not quite literal with you you cannot understand. So when i say a long period what bit of that don't you understand.
Ryan has now played just 3 games. So he has hardly been developed. Thought it was also quite obvious i was talking about playing kids in the seniors alongside Tom and Jack. Can't mentor them if they don't play. Clearly Ryan is a ruck who can play fwd also. We have hedged our bets for a long long time with Ryan types Rather than drafting genuine key fwds. But as i have already said hard to develop them if you fail to draft em.
Wowee we have Bauer a mid season rookie TAKEN MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR and Bradtke another rookie taken at THE START OF THIS YEAR. Boy thats a huge investment.
Fact is they could not be mentored not before mid last year anyway because they weren't there . There was literally no other Genuine KPF on the list to develop. Now that is lousy list management in anyones language. But hey you defend away.
So mid year last year and start of this hmm i dont think that referes to a long period of time That in anyones language is very very recent and almost an after thought to the problem.
In fact there has hardly been a genuine key fwd on the list outside of JR TL for god knows how long. But hey you put your blinkers on and defend the club as much as you can, denying things doesnt mean your right. In fact you look absolutely foolish in this.
Can anyone remember 2017 you know the year we only had Riewoldt as a kpf. A situation that had us go hard for yep Tom Lynch for the 2019 season. Apart from Lynch what has really changed?
The biggest gripe i have is our penchant to draft what i describe as Half ruckman Half forward but not quite either types.. That sort of nonsense goes way back. A list of em would go Elton, Vickery, Griffiths might be a bit harsh here, McBean, Chol, CCJ, and now hopefully not Ryan.
The only GENUINE KEY FWDS we have drafted since 2017 are
Bauer - mid season last year
Bradtke - Start of this year.
Miller - At pick 63 2018 and we proceeded to play him as a kpd almost straight away.
If you think that is some sort of serious investment into what has been a very obvious problem then good on ya maybe you can get me some of the drugs your obviously taking.
Ruck Fwds in
CCJ - In 2018
Ryan - 2021.
Miller - this has become his role but has shown most in defence.
That is 6 drafts knowing we only had one kpf at the level in 2017 and two at the level in 2019 in ageing stars Riewoldt and Lynch.
Its mind boggling that people wonder why every year i push for us to draft at least one GENUINE KEY FORWARD. Why because there has been little to no investment in the area. Pick 63 in miller. If you wan't to split hairs about what CCJ is then pick 20.
When i ask who will play in Jacks spot the silence is deathening usually. Who is a better tall fwd on our list other than Lynchy? This week it will be for the first time young Ryan, but i maintain he should be playing alongside JR and TL as a fwd ruck. He is nowhere near Jacks level even at age 34.
Here we are playing what is primarily a ruckman imo in jacks place. Why simple we have FAILED in every way to develop other genuine key fwds.
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Barrett in his 'Sliding Doors' column today:
IF ...
Riewoldt and Cotchin have indeed been "managed" out of the Tigers team to play the Bulldogs on Saturday ...
THEN ...
I love the big-picture ideology. All-time Tigers greats who will still play big roles in 2023. But I do wonder if form and team-balance is part of the decision making, too. Neither anywhere near career-best form.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/896875/if-riewoldt-and-cotchin-have-been-managed-then
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I now know you have no idea where mentoring takes place, the recruitment of key forwards is lottery WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND , and development takes place initially through the reserves and at training , anyone who has been involved at local level knows that
I know some people don’t mean to be ignorant , narcissistic , psychopath with limited intelligence but when people think think they can win an argument by being the loudest that’s exactly how they come across.
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Riewoldt, Cotchin vow to do what’s best for Richmond
Peter Ryan
The Age
15 April 2023
Richmond champion Jack Riewoldt says being challenged about performance does not concern him as he and Trent Cotchin are only focused on helping the club lay the foundation for the Tigers’ next premiership.
The spearhead was his team’s most dangerous player in the Tigers’ loss to Sydney, kicking four goals and creating a contest in the absence of premiership teammate Tom Lynch.
But it was the decision to rest him the previous round and have his premiership skipper Cotchin start as the substitute in round four, with Cotchin then subbed out of the Gather Round game against Sydney on Friday night, that has attracted attention.
Riewoldt has no issue with the way he is being managed at the start of his 17th season and understands the logic behind him sitting on the sidelines in round four.
“It’s good for myself to have a week off and also good for the team to learn how to play without me because I am not going to be here forever,” Riewoldt said.
But when he does play he knows that, aside from his goalkicking prowess, a big part of his contribution will be bringing along emerging talls such as Samson Ryan and Ben Miller.
Riewoldt said both he and Cotchin have been aware of how they would be managed since the back end of last year.
“We are big boys and have been around for a long time, and we know that the club comes before any player,” Riewoldt said.
“For us, it is about finding the missing piece [of how] the club can win the next premiership, whether that be this year, next year, or the year after that.
“I don’t give a s*** what anyone thinks about us outside the football club and I know there has been a fair bit of commentary about us outside of the football club, some warranted, some probably unwarranted, but fundamentally we care about what the people here in the yellow and black are thinking, and we care about what the coaches are thinking.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/we-are-big-boys-riewoldt-cotchin-to-do-what-s-best-for-richmond-20230415-p5d0oc.html
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Cotchin should retire before MSD.
Jack needs to play most of the year now that Lynch is done.
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Correct if I’m wrong but didn’t Dipper play over 50 reserves games before he got a senior spot , there are others too which I can’t remember right now , but done correctly the reserves can be the stepping stone to things greater
Correct me if im wrong but its not 1985 and we now have lists of around just 40 and we are taking a shedload of 18 yr olds every year.
Every single club plays kids asap in the seniors far better to develop them with the old heads on game day than rot away with the nuffies in the two's on game day.
Whats that i hear you need to get a big group of kids to 80 odd games before you start reaping rewards.Well that is only done by playing em in the seniors.
You train and work on all sorts of things and yes develop, but you develop most in the seniors you learn more playing 5 senior games than you do playing Reserves all year. if your good enough.
The club with the biggest disconnect between seniors and juniors with experience is ypu guessed it the rfc.
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I now know you have no idea where mentoring takes place, the recruitment of key forwards is lottery WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND , and development takes place initially through the reserves and at training , anyone who has been involved at local level knows that
I know some people don’t mean to be ignorant , narcissistic , psychopath with limited intelligence but when people think think they can win an argument by being the loudest that’s exactly how they come across.
Lol im not going to argue the point with you. I have a rule don't Argue with imbeciles.
I will say im Not sure where i said development does not initally take place through training and the reserves. Your hearing only what you want to hear. The trouble is your the one who being more ignorant narcciistic and psychopathic and definately limited in your intelligence in fact an imbecile.Just continue to hear only what you want to hear bud its no skin off my nose. :whistle
So sad that people get so cut up when home truths are spoken.
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Jack and Cotch are in the team to mentor the younger blokes, of course they are not going to be ripping games apart any more, it’s time for others to step up and take the role
Funny the cowards in the media haven’t attacked other sides ageing players when they don’t fire, we are soft targets for some
Gotta ask what younger blokes are they mentoring. If we did not have some injuries they would still be mentoring all their regular mates.
What big inside mid kids have we played what young key fwds have we played. FFS these two are now well into their 30's and we have not seen fit to play kids with them for years yet alone this year. In fact we have hardly seen fit to draft either type apart from the odd one for years.
If we had we may not be in the situation we are now in.Forced to trade for Taranto and Hopper and in desperation Taking Bauer and Bradtke with nothing picks.
List management in this has been abysmal and as usual supporters just turn a blind eye.
They are both there to perform the roles they have always performed because they are quite easily still the best options in front of others.
The quote that started this little bit of fun.
Nothing but the truth but im Ignorant, Narccisitic, a Psychopath and what else was the abuse oh yeah with limited intelligence.
Be good if nuffies would stick to what was actually postted rather than getting their knickers twisted over a few home truths.
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Coming from a bloke who only values his own self inflated opinion and constantly insults and argues with almost every one , doesn’t contradict my opinion .
An example is that you argued that Bolton should play in the forward line now agues only genuine forwards should play in the forward line, a bit each way.
Back to getting the last word I see, waiting until others have posted and going through them all and having a crack
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Coming from a bloke who only values his own self inflated opinion and constantly insults and argues with almost every one , doesn’t contradict my opinion .
An example is that you argued that Bolton should play in the forward line now agues only genuine forwards should play in the forward line, a bit each way.
Back to getting the last word I see, waiting until others have posted and going through them all and having a crack
Lol the post above son. you have a problem with what i say then stick to what has been said and DEBATE.But no that won't do because you know im freakin right right.
What part of that quote do you have a problem with. I have no idea because all you did is fly off the handle like a tem yr old having a tantrum.
I asked about JR and TC what similar younger blokes are they mentoring and yes it was obvious i was talking about in the seniors.
So what young inside mids is Cotch mentoring or what young genuine key forward is JR mentoring in the seniors?
Cmon the answer is easy just be honest and show some balls.
Next question what young big inside mids have we played what young kpf"s have we played? I said we have hardly seen fit to draft either type apart from the odd one. What part of that is wrong or you disagree with. But no you go off on an abusive tirade and now wonder why you cop it back. Just unbelievable.
Mate all i want from you is to be honest and tell me what part of that post was wrong and set you off on a nasty tirade.Grow a pair son and be honest.
Bud you totally ignored what was written and went on a nasty tirade. It makes me laugh that you now feel aggreived.Yep against my better judgement instead of ignoring the nasty narrow minded imbecile that you show yourself to be im giving you air.
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That was a tirade of tirades.
Oh we're from Tiradeland,
A fighting fury we're from Tiradeland ...
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You know the dynasty is well and truly over when supporters go back to fighting each other
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You know the dynasty is well and truly over when supporters go back to fighting each other
You make assumption that all here are supporters. I would argue not.
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You know the dynasty is well and truly over when supporters go back to fighting each other
You make assumption that all here are supporters. I would argue not.
Talking about fake supporters, wouldnt be surprised if WAT came back soon
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You know the dynasty is well and truly over when supporters go back to fighting each other
You make assumption that all here are supporters. I would argue not.
True that haha
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You know the dynasty is well and truly over when supporters go back to fighting each other
You make assumption that all here are supporters. I would argue not.
Talking about fake supporters, wouldnt be surprised if WAT came back soon
Don’t say that
Would be disastrous
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Pretty sure he’s busy at the club. Was snapped up as kicking coach over the pre-season
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:lol
Would make sense given our skills this year...
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Yep - Nah , you’re not my bud or my mate ,with mates or buds like you Richmond FC doesn’t need enemies, you’re never happier than when we are losing so you can dump the vitriolic criticism of our players one by one with the exception of a few that you deem to be OK players. I have to agree with a lot of other your no supporter of Richmond of RFC and in fact go missing when we win a few , i suspect you’re a Collingwood Troll.
Yep no thinks more highly of you and posts and I think your a psychopathic narcissist who hasn’t the intelligence to accept other people may be entitled to a different opinion that yours
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Discuss.
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Harsh Cam. I l don’t mind what Claw brings to the table. A different cat like the doc who disappeared like a fart in the wind :shh
Anyone who posts on here regularly loves the club.
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Maybe, but you can express your opinion with respect and even if I don’t need to agree with you can except you are entitled to your opinion without the abuse and believe even if you are right doesn’t mean you can be rude to those who are wrong in our eyes
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Agree with 80% of what Cam says
One thing I’ve learnt over the years
If someone disagrees with Claw, they are wrong
Never seen him show respect or back down
Stereotypical narcissist
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You can see why Richmond kept their veterans around
Lachlan Geleit
SEN
15 May 2023
Many questioned Richmond’s decision to keep the likes of Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt around in 2023 once the Tigers got off to a poor start, but Friday night showed that the experienced duo still have it.
Combining for five goals, the duo along with 31-year-old Dustin Martin were the difference against an undermanned Geelong side.
While Cotchin and Riewoldt in particular aren’t the players they once were, their football smarts and nous are still at a level where they can be genuine contributors.
Even though it’s likely that 2023 is the final season for the duo, it looks like Richmond made the right call to finish on their own terms.
Just think about how invaluable their presence would be for the club’s glut of youngsters.
Richmond will be better off going forward for having the pair play on this campaign.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/14/the-big-talking-points-and-questions-out-of-round-9/
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Yep - Nah , you’re not my bud or my mate ,with mates or buds like you Richmond FC doesn’t need enemies, you’re never happier than when we are losing so you can dump the vitriolic criticism of our players one by one with the exception of a few that you deem to be OK players. I have to agree with a lot of other your no supporter of Richmond of RFC and in fact go missing when we win a few , i suspect you’re a Collingwood Troll.
Yep no thinks more highly of you and posts and I think your a psychopathic narcissist who hasn’t the intelligence to accept other people may be entitled to a different opinion that yours
Ah so now you speak for the club as well lol.
The last time i looked ive been highly critical of YOUR players win lose or draw. I say your players because of the carry on. Some of us are smart enough to know winning does not mean players have had good games.
Geez Psychopathic narcissist ive gotta say im honoured thanks. :snidegrin.
Nope to the last point. Your butt hurt not because i question your right to your opinion, nope ive never done anything but defend peoples right to that, Nope it's because i disagree with your fruit loop thoughts on things.
Boy i sometimes wish i was a Collingwood troll how good to string along feral nuffies like you biting and bitching and crying about bad old claw. Fact is i dont need to be anything other than the tiger supporter iam to get the same reactions from nuffies like you..
Sorry to be so harsh but thems the facts BUD.
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Lol , maybe you been locked away for the month for I would hate to guess why or just having a snipe when you think someone is not looking , behaviour of psycho narcissist who only values their own opinion to me.
I think a lot on here would be grateful if you did admit you are really a Collingwood supporter as your constant negative criticism of the players and club you profess to support!
Friends of Richmond like you ,who needs enemies