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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 25, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
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Lost 4 in a row yet go into the next game favourite with the bookies.
AFL Round 7
RICHMOND vs Gold Coast
Sunday, 30th April @ Marvel Stadium
Start time: 3:20 PM (AEST)
Odds (Sportsbet)
Richmond $1.37
Gold Coast $3.12
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4845
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No Touk Miller for the Suns.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/911764/you-can-t-replace-touk-suns-sweat-on-gun-mid-s-knee-injury
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At Marvel, lucky to win this one
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At Marvel, lucky to win this one
Yep, we embarrassed ourselves against them last year
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Our favourite venue against a side we have problems with.
Oh joy.
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At the least favourite time slot , mmm , oh well
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Is Karmichael hunt or Noah Anderson set to play?
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9 changes since we last played them.
In: Vlastuin, Martin, Cotchin, Taranto, Balta, Hopper, Mansell, Ryan, Clarke.
Out: Tarrant, Edwards, Castagna, Aarts, Soldo, Nankervis, Dow, M.Rioli, Lynch*.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/142020220709.html
Add Graham to the outs if he doesn't get up to play.
* Lynch did his hammy early in the first quarter, so he effectively missed most of the game last time.
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Miller killed us last time. We have got a real history of underperforming against the Suns.
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Miller killed us last time. We have got a real history of underperforming against the Suns.
Lucky he’s out
HUGE loss for them
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8 point game
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Am tipping this game will make my eyes bleed
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Umps for Sunday:
Nick Foot (2)
Leigh Fisher (3)
Leigh Haussen (5)
Craig Fleer (26)
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4845#line-ups
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8 point game
Must win game!!!
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2020/11/17/8a4c2df0-2497-41a0-85ac-8cab8feed48a/richmond.jpg?width=952)
IF ...
on paper Gold Coast on Sunday presents as the much-needed sporting easy-kill ...
THEN ...
in reality it is anything but. There's a reason that only one win has been secured by this team in the opening six rounds – it is not very good.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/912412/if-the-tigers-are-looking-for-an-easy-kill-then
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we should win this by 4 goals.
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Getting to this game has been a disaster.
Annoying there's no trains Camberwell - Box Hill but I get to Camberwell today and they tell me there's no trains running from there to the city either ffs.
Trying to get a damned train from Burnley now what a pain in the ass and dump of a place.
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Soldo looks like he is playing his first game ever. :help
I don’t think he’s touched a footy for two years :rollin
It embarrassing
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Bad kicking, bad footy
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we should win this by 4 goals.
Why?
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We look hopeless out of the middle so far.
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we should win this by 4 goals.
Why?
Suns went in favourite and deservedly so.
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Baker Cumberland Pickett. 3 of the dumbest forwards in the AFL.
This game so far sums up the season.
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Geez we make the Suns look good
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Nail the tackles.
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Professionals?
If I made this many mistakes in my job I would be on unemployment benefits.
The level of skill is so poor it’s almost laughable.
Everyone at the club footy department should b accountable for this fall in skill.
This is absolutely unacceptable
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Get soldo off
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Am tipping this game will make my eyes bleed
You are a prophet! :rollin
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We keep this up it's going to be a very long day :help
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Getting to this game has been a disaster.
Annoying there's no trains Camberwell - Box Hill but I get to Camberwell today and they tell me there's no trains running from there to the city either ffs.
Trying to get a damned train from Burnley now what a pain in the ass and dump of a place.
It’s just easier not to go to there. It’s No good, cold and soulless. Has no atmosphere.
I will not and refuse to attend home games at that venue.
So I’m on my cozy couch watching it on the big screen and after seeing frequent shots of Suns coach Stewie Dew on the Suns bench, I am feeling bloody good about my own fitness right now :rollin
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Not certain we realise it's season on the line
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OMG Tylar Young. Worst turnover in league history. Gifts them a goal.
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Ryan showing a bit tonight. And I like Marlion in the forward line.
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Ryan showing a bit tonight. And I like Marlion in the forward line.
At least we had someone finally hit a forward on the chest 🤔
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Don’t bomb it to Miller :banghead
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This is excruciating to watch.
I’m so glad I didn’t waste my time going to see this live in person.
I have the comfort of my own toilet if I feel the urge to spew
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Vlaustin having his best game of the season. Might be a wake up for him.
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We are just LAZY, constantly out numbered down the line and then watch opposition players run past us all day.
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Serious :banghead
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Everything is so bad. How have our skills dropped off so badly
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Why is that a 50?
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50 against Sonsie. Haven't paid that type for ages. Goal them. Worst game of footy I've seen in a while
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Taranto having a big half according to the commentators but he looks unsure a lot of the time
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Why can't we kick a set shot anymore?
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Not sure why I'm putting myself through this.
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Question: do you think our game has deteriorated since Teague came onboard?
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Who the hell is the goal kicking coach :banghead :banghead
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Everything is so bad. How have our skills dropped off so badly
Club standards drop. This is why.
Everyone in the footy department is accountable for this drop in standards.
Why can't we kick a set shot anymore?
It’s a club culture problem. Sneaks in like a cancer.
It takes a whole club approach to eradicate the disease.
Raise standards and demand excellence in all areas no matter how insignificant.
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Amateur. Another sitter missed
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Everything is so bad. How have our skills dropped off so badly
Club standards drop. This is why.
Everyone in the footy department is accountable for this drop in standards.
Why can't we kick a set shot anymore?
It’s a club culture problem. Sneaks in like a cancer.
It takes a whole club approach to eradicate the disease.
Raise standards and demand excellence in all areas no matter how insignificant.
Time for the Spanish Inquisition?
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Balta's gonna be alright in a couple of years. Rance-esque.
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Am tipping this game will make my eyes bleed
Quoted for truth
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Hopefully the 3rd quarter is one of those 9 goal Richmond quarters we put in occasionally.
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2.9
Commentary on Fox now saying we're flat cause we don't like Marvel. That is laughable
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Am tipping this game will make my eyes bleed
Quoted for truth
Lol yep it's a shocker.
Wish I didn't bother making the trip in.
Amazingly I still feel like we should win this easily. GCS are terrible and we are just one smidge better.
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Everything is so bad. How have our skills dropped off so badly
Club standards drop. This is why.
Everyone in the footy department is accountable for this drop in standards.
Why can't we kick a set shot anymore?
It’s a club culture problem. Sneaks in like a cancer.
It takes a whole club approach to eradicate the disease.
Raise standards and demand excellence in all areas no matter how insignificant.
Time for the Spanish Inquisition?
:lol
It’s a good idea to reevaluate all processes and practices to see what isn’t working.
Identify where standards have dropped etc etc.
It’s so bad something has to be done to fix it.
How can a professional footy club have such poor skill execution? It’s beyond belief.
We need an evaluation asap.
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OMG Tylar Young. Worst turnover in league history. Gifts them a goal.
Carrying on his efforts from last week
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Tackles 19 to 33. When Jack Ross and Jack Riewoldt are your tackle leaders to half time with 2 apiece, you know your team's playing bruise-free footy.
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5 missed set shots (all gettable) & 3 of their 4 goals via our brain fades.
That's 8 goals!!!!!!! Richmondy on Steroids!!!!
There's the reason we have only won one game and based on that horrendous first half we'll throw this game away too against another ordinary side. That's why we are 16th.
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we should win this by 4 goals.
Why?
Suns went in favourite and deservedly so.
Incorrect
We were clear favourites
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Midfield needs a big lift in the second half
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Unsure I can remember a worse game of football.
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The way we are playing today we wouldn't beat the Eagles, Hawthorn or N0rt
Worst effort of the season so far
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Do the umpires realise they just won us the game with that 50m penalty to Soldo?
Phew, now I can relax. Gonna enjoy this win.
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Who the hell is the tackling coach
Waltzing through tackle after tackle. Out to 3 goals now and we look done.
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I'd actually welcome some Bolton show boating right now. This game's as flat as 96 Gisborne Rd, Bacchus Marsh.
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Waltzing it out of the middle everytime now. It's hopeless.
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Third quarter and Jack & Ryan have had 3 possessions and Miller 2
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Who did we sub off?
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Dusty - should have gone for the shot
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Watching us play so crap is frustrating enough but these umpires couldn't be worse.
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Young costs us yet another goal fmd
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We can’t have young and Miller in the same side.
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Young costs us yet another goal fmd
And people wondered why I said he needed a spell in the VFL
As MT said on another thread his confidence is shot
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OH MY GOODNESS :banghead
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This is embarrassing
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We can’t have young and Miller in the same side.
I honestly don't see why we're playing Miller when we have Soldo and Ryan in the side.
Why not play a guy like Bauer?
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Judson Clarke is so soft.
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Judson Clarke is so soft.
You get Fiora vibes from him too?
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Judson Clarke is so soft.
You get Fiora vibes from him too?
He really pulled out of that loose ball contest on the HFF huh? Soft AF
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Bauer has to come in for Young next week
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We can’t have young and Miller in the same side.
We can't have them with Soldo and Ryan. Too much unco.
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We can’t have young and Miller in the same side.
I honestly don't see why we're playing Miller when we have Soldo and Ryan in the side.
Why not play a guy like Bauer?
And we had a chance to sub either one of them off
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With the season seemingly done it will be interesting to see where we go from here?
You can maybe understand a lack of skill and ability but the lack of pressure, tackling, accountability is an utter disgrace.
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Another question: have we won at Marvel since Dimma said we hate Marvel?
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Who did we sub off?
Sonsie.
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Another question: have we won at Marvel since Dimma said we hate Marvel?
Not sure but a completely crap comment at the time from him.
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Judson Clarke is so soft.
You get Fiora vibes from him too?
Sure do. Clarke, Hugo & Sonsie all on par in this area.
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Another question: have we won at Marvel since Dimma said we hate Marvel?
Nup. That R9, 2021 game against GWS was our last won at Docklands.
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Let's stop sugarcoating it.Yes, I agree we got injuries, but our system is incompetent and our skills and disposal below vfl standard utter garbage.
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Will Dimma actually do something a bit different or trust the process that has netted us 4 goals so far.
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Witts is destroying us at stoppages. Giving them first use and territory. It starts in the guts.
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Two more broken tackles to start the last. Scree this I'm turning off.
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Trade whoever we have to for pick one. Doesn't matter who or how many Bolton, Broad, McIntosh.
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Soldo 35 out and passes it to no one.
Coach killer
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Lol Soldo is such a spud. Take the shot from 40 on a slight angle, moron.
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Soldo 35 out and passes it to no one.
Coach killer
They go up the other end and goal. Dear lord
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Game over, once again, well outnumbered in our D50. Lazy lazy lazy!
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Is this worse than 2016?
We are f***ing shocking. Like seriously sh**.
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Hate saying this and haven't been on this train but Cotchin is done. He really is. Just completely ineffective and being beaten in every contest. Sad but he should finish up.
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Lol Soldo is such a spud. Take the shot from 40 on a slight angle, moron.
So dumb. Laughable that he gets a game
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Ryan and soldo in the same team is like a comedy. It’s just ridiculous and truely laughable
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Looking forward to the 17-hour wait for the 4 minute press conference.
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Oh no, the Gold Coast song. It's even worse than our performance.
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Trade whoever we have to for pick one. Doesn't matter who or how many Bolton, Broad, McIntosh.
I called to trade Bolton last year and I stick by it. Hell I’d trade anyone at this point to be honest. Full rebuild is necessary and we have to hit the draft
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Gold Coast game yet another example of a game that we should have won but yet again we were woeful.
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Looking forward to the 17-hour wait for the 4 minute press conference.
Supporters need an honest assessment of where he thinks we're at.
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Gold Coast have yet again humiliated us.
I think we did a good job of that on our own
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The entire game we were on the backfoot. We played like Gold Coast were the reigning premiers. A timid performance.
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Where do you start…. We are horrible. Skills, lack of run, poor disposal, transparent game plan, injuries, terrible coaches!
Old uncompetitive players.
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Hate saying this and haven't been on this train but Cotchin is done. He really is. Just completely ineffective and being beaten in every contest. Sad but he should finish up.
Been saying it for weeks. Retire him before the msd and take a punt on a kid playing good seconds footy
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Hate saying this and haven't been on this train but Cotchin is done. He really is. Just completely ineffective and being beaten in every contest. Sad but he should finish up.
Been saying it for weeks. Retire him before the msd and take a punt on a kid playing good seconds footy
It's really sad.
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Hate saying this and haven't been on this train but Cotchin is done. He really is. Just completely ineffective and being beaten in every contest. Sad but he should finish up.
Been saying it for weeks. Retire him before the msd and take a punt on a kid playing good seconds footy
It's really sad.
It's embarrassing and sends the wrong message.
We are putting an individual above the team.
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Stupid me!
I held out hope we'd turn it around, we'd find a way
But nope, our season is shot and for the first time since 2016 I feel embarrassed to be a Richmond person
Just gutted
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We have a lot of players going at the end of the year , so we might have a lot new players.
To have a fire sale won’t work, unless clubs pay way overs like us we should be just letting our younger players go when we don’t have many in that age group
Our rebuild will be based on picking kids who are a gamble, as we only have late picks
So we might need get used of days like today
our attempt to win a sneaky flag with an ageing list is on life support if not dead on the starting line
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Game plan is way too predictable.
Hardwick and coaches need to change it up because we no longer have the speed and killer instinct we used to.
Suns had players set up in the right spots and it played into their hands everytime we kicked out of defense or bombed it trying to hit the roof.
I've read posts about our fitness being an issue and after watching the first half (daughter and it had to leave at half time) it's bang on.
Turnovers, poor kicking and zero confidence. We are a bottom 6 side and it stinks.
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What has happened to our skills and disposal it's embarrassing the worse in the league by a mile signs we're there in preseason.We can't even do the basics right.We look slow , unfit and our system and game plan is all over the shop.Club last 3 years didn't invest in our football department dropped the ball we hear covid crap etc all excuses other clubs hired quality we didn't look our fitness and medical nothing short of a mess we rested on our moral.
On top of that holding on senior blokes champions or not needed to go .Our kids take the rapt for there poor showing all year this year.
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Bluergh. :(
If our players spent less time high-fiving after the smallest of acts - good or bad - and more time doing footy basics maybe, just maybe, we'd not be so crapulent.
I've seen some Tigers shockers, and this one rates right up there.
Mrrf. :-[
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Woof that was a tough tough watch.
We just don’t have it anymore simple as that and there are 100+ reasons for it so no point picking out players, coaches, club staff, game plan etc. it’s a wicked combination of all.
Anyway, can’t complain too much, the group did net us 3 flags so we had a good run lol
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Stupid me!
I held out hope we'd turn it around, we'd find a way
But nope, our season is shot and for the first time since 2016 I feel embarrassed to be a Richmond person
Just gutted
Taking the Richmond number plates off tonight. I'm sick of seeing people laughing at me every time they drive past.
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Full rebuild time peeps.
Retire a few legends.
Dimma s last year.
Time to find the next gen.
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Get Emma Murray back
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50/ 50 next week against West Coast
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50/ 50 next week against West Coast
You'd hope not but based on today. Reckon it's more like 40/60
We were that bad :scream :banghead :help
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Just watched the press conference.
"Richmond beating Richmond."
Has this become an ego thing with us? You know, we don't actually lose games of football, we just beat ourselves?
I think a good starting point for turning things around would be to admit that "Gold Coast beat Richmond." Then move on to "how?"
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Sick of hearing the same rhetoric after every loss.
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The Sonsie on wing didn't work.
He had a shocker
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Just laughing my arse off at the comedy capers.
Really hope we do not do a WCE from here on in and continue to believe we dont need to go to kids.
The age demographic said 2020 was the last roll of the dice and we got lucky we won a flag. But winning flags also has its detrimental side. IT MAKES CLUBS BELIEVE THEY ARE STILL IN A WINDOW.
Thing is it has not been our belief where we are at but our Recruiting and list management that now has us where we are imo.
Trouble with that is we have to wait another year before we can get back into decent draft picks.
For me and i hope other realistic tiger supporters we now need to rebuild probably for the next 7 or 8 years. Bottom line is we have had our time in the sun we need to acknowledge where we are at or suffer for a long time.
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agree claw.
Ive said this many times we were never close to another flag. Not even remotely IMO, and how people thought we were close was quite bemusing.
Our game plan sucks. We choked last year because our older players have become old all at once, and our youth are pretty crap.
we should never have recruited 2 of those gws players. One yes but 2 was criminal. Holes all over the park!
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agree claw.
Ive said this many times we were never close to another flag. Not even remotely IMO, and how people thought we were close was quite bemusing.
Our game plan sucks. We choked last year because our older players have become old all at once, and our youth are pretty crap.
we should never have recruited 2 of those gws players. One yes but 2 was criminal. Holes all over the park!
Not just that its what we are doing with development and list needs.Why in the reserves when we are so bereft of tall fwds is Bauer playing in defense.
We drafted him as a tall fwd because we are desperate for that type. Yet we ignore HIS development as a fwd and the need to FIND a tall fwd and play him back. What the hell are we thinking. Imo he has shown himself to at least be a natural fwd in so many ways.
Why are we so often playing blokes out of their best roles?We are constantly doing this poo.
Mate i can go on and on but to be honest im over it. The vast majority of supporters just go along with what ever the club says and does and defends them vigorously even when it hits them in face that things are wrong.
As a club i think we are in the denial phase there is always an excuse. I just pray we don;'t take years to get to the reality phase.
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For me and i hope other realistic tiger supporters we now need to rebuild probably for the next 7 or 8 years. Bottom line is we have had our time in the sun we need to acknowledge where we are at or suffer for a long time.
Get your point but 7 or 8 years? I don't think so
Definitely, going to take time but I'd think depending on what the kids we haven't seen yet or haven't seen much of will determine how long it takes
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Get Emma Murray back
She’s still there.
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Get Emma Murray back
She’s still there.
Get her to lace up then
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For me and i hope other realistic tiger supporters we now need to rebuild probably for the next 7 or 8 years. Bottom line is we have had our time in the sun we need to acknowledge where we are at or suffer for a long time.
Get your point but 7 or 8 years? I don't think so
Definitely, going to take time but I'd think depending on what the kids we haven't seen yet or haven't seen much of will determine how long it takes
I think you will be shocked WP at just vhow long it can take IF you get most things right yet alone when you get things wrong.
The other point is just how high you rate what kids we have and say the 24 thru 27 yr old group.
Take the oldies out there really is not a lot of high quality there imo. Do the exercise for yourself.
First off we have to find a core that will come together and gell at the right time. That will take how many seasons wp. then we need to get the core group to how many games collectively.
I will even ask you to look at our 2017 team a lot of the core and better players were taken before Hardwick even got there at the end of 2009. 2009 - 2017 thats 8 years and we had Rance, Riewoldt, Astbury Martin Cotchin, Edwards there in 2009 and i think Grimes was taken psd 09. Our 2017 premiership started before Hardwick got there or as he first stepped thru the door.
Imo there is no such thing as a 5 year rebuild..
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Get Emma Murray back
She’s still there.
Not full time
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The Sonsie on wing didn't work.
He had a shocker
He is soft and a bit of a sook. Tracking to be a bust
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emma murray now. WTF is she going to do with this list?
The list is poo. Its that stuffin simple.
adding hopper at the least is going to drag this rebuild out. 27 year old start of next year what a complete waste of time
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emma murray now. WTF is she going to do with this list?
The list is poo. Its that stuffin simple.
adding hopper at the least is going to drag this rebuild out. 27 year old start of next year what a complete waste of time
What it will probably mean is we will continue to draft runt mids at best and ignore like we always do bigger mids.
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Team stats:
Disposals: 339 - 380 .... ( contested: 130 - 120 ; uncontested: 210 - 252 )
Efficiency%: 69 - 75 :thumbsdown
Kicks: 200 - 254
Handballs: 139 - 126
Turnovers: 72 - 66
Marks: 96 - 135 :help ... ( contested: 9 - 7 )
Tackles: 46 - 64 :thumbsdown
Clearances: 43 - 40 .... ( centre: 7 - 11 ; stoppages: 36 - 29 )
Inside 50s: 53 - 53
In50 eff.%: 34 - 40 :thumbsdown
In50 marks: 11 - 9
In50 tackles: 7 - 9
Hitouts: 29 - 42
Bounces: 12 - 9
One %ers: 49 - 38
Frees: 16 - 18
Individual possies:
Short 32
Taranto 32
D.Rioli 21
Hopper 21
Baker 20
Martin 19
Bolton 19
Vlastuin 18
Pickett 18
Ross 17
McIntosh 16
Young 14
Soldo 11
Ryan 11
Cotchin 11
Balta 10
Grimes 7
Cumberland 6
Clarke 5 ... ( subbed on during the 3rd qtr )
Sonsie 4 ... ( subbed off during the 3rd qtr
Riewoldt 4
Miller 2
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4845#player-stats
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Sonsie on the wing ??? Kid is a inside bull played his best footy there never learn :banghead.
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Get Emma Murray back
She’s still there.
Not full time
Over the last 3 years we have dropped the ball and rested on our morals this is another example and the mess in our fitness and injury department.Club has not invested enough took short cuts covid affected or not compare our appointments to other clubs it's chalk and cheese.
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Was a tough watch yesterday. Team looked totally disinterested.
6 goals was an embarrassment.
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Coaches' votes (Hardwick & Dew)
Richmond v Gold Coast
9 Noah Anderson (GCFC)
9 Wil Powell (GCFC)
6 Charlie Ballard (GCFC)
2 Matt Rowell (GCFC)
2 Ben King (GCFC)
1 Jarrod Witts (GCFC)
1 Jayden Short (RICH)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/917659/coaches-votes-r7-six-perfect-10s-split-votes-for-crows-v-pies
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Get Emma Murray back
She’s still there.
Not full time
Part time for awhile now.
But hell who is full time at tigerland nowadays.
Running on the smell of an oily rag.
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OVERREACTIONS, POSITIVES, NEGATIVES & UNDROPPABLES IN ROUND 7
Andrew Slevison
SEN
2 May 2023
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Key takeaways: Another error-riddled defeat
The Tigers gave away easy goals to the Suns early, some in calamitous circumstances.
Noah Balta and Tylar Young’s simple turnover kicks were glaring mistakes and these fundamental mishaps must stop if the Tigers are to start finding wins somewhere along the way.
Mistakes happen in games of footy, of course they do, but the manner in which these are occurring is troublesome.
Taking nothing away from the Suns, but to kick 6.12 under the roof is not good enough and to cough up easy goals to the opposition is unforgivable.
The Positive: Thank god for Taranto
The club has been pilloried for recruiting Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper, with some believing they’ve gambled away the future.
But imagine the mess they’d be in if it wasn’t for the presence of Taranto.
He had 32 disposals, a team-high eight clearances, a game-high eight score involvements, 564 metres gained (second overall for the game) and kicked a goal.
He would be comfortably leading Richmond’s best and fairest.
The development of emerging ruck/forward Samson Ryan is also a positive among all the negatives.
He kicked two goals from 11 disposals, won 12 hit-outs and took five marks. His finish on the run from an acute angle in the second quarter was quality.
The Negative: Marvel hoodoo continues
Richmond’s hatred or disdain for Marvel Stadium must change.
They have been woeful at the venue in recent times, losing five of six with the other being a draw.
The Tigers have to get over the fact the atmosphere might not be as vibrant as it is at the MCG. They never play this poorly interstate and something must change when they ‘travel’ to Docklands.
What to tweak: Forward line connection
The forward line connection is at a new low.
The Tigers had 53 inside 50s, as many as the Suns, but could only conjure a paltry score of 6.12.(48).
It was the second lowest score of the round which is nowhere near good enough if you want to be competing for finals.
They rank eighth in the league for total inside 50s, but that hasn’t transferred to scores in which they rank 16th with an average of 71.8 points per game.
Of course the absence of Tom Lynch leaves a gaping hole, but the connection between the mids and forwards simply has to be better.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/01/overreactions-positives-negatives-and-undroppables-for-all-18-afl-teams7/