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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 21, 2023, 07:38:05 PM
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As per title.
Thoughts?
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Updated.
35 ----> 38 + Freo's future 3rd.
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40 + West Coast's future 3rd.
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Thoughts on why we are accumulating draft picks for next year?
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Reckon we don’t rate this years draft and or we are banking picks for a shot at someone next year
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Cadman :shh
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We also traded a pick we weren't going to be using (#54) for Essendon's future 4th rounder.
So, in total for next year we've got:
Our own 1st.
Our own 2nd.
Freo's 2nd.
Our own 3rd.
Eagles' 3rd.
Freo's 3rd.
Our own 4th.
Essendon's 4th.
Port's 4th.
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Unless we require points for an academy player which I'm not sure we have an academy do we? What's the point in stocking dead picks in the 3rr and 4th rounds?
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A quick Google search and we do have an academy so next year is 6 3rd and 4th rounds picks for an academy player I guess.
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Looking up the points from this link
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-2023-points-bidding-system-explained-draft-value-index-fatherson-and-academy-nominees-prospects-bids-in-first-round-news/news-story/d390940551d4cadd17024170a1ffa4bc
At a guess 3*360 + 3*110 approx but it will be less is about 1400 PTS approx equal to pick 10. That's not a bad spare pick.
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A quick Google search and we do have an academy so next year is 6 3rd and 4th rounds picks for an academy player I guess.
Can't match a bid on an academy player before pick 40 so if they're that good we wouldn't be getting them anyway.... :shh
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Unless we require points for an academy player which I'm not sure we have an academy do we? What's the point in stocking dead picks in the 3rr and 4th rounds?
1 man’s trash is another man’s treasure. A bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks could be flipped into quite a decent pick. All of that for moving down a couple of places with late picks when we probably got the players we intended to anyway.
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Unless we require points for an academy player which I'm not sure we have an academy do we? What's the point in stocking dead picks in the 3rr and 4th rounds?
1 man’s trash is another man’s treasure. A bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks could be flipped into quite a decent pick. All of that for moving down a couple of places with late picks when we probably got the players we intended to anyway.
Agreed.
Lots of points to play with.
If another club like GCS needs to accumulate for academy then we will have lots of currency to trade up.
Could end up with 2 top 10 picks and 2 30-40 range.
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Matt Clarke post-draft said we had some intel that we knew we'd still get the same kids we wanted despite trading back in the draft. Doing these trades has strengthened our draft hand for next year as we know clubs will be seeking to match points for father-son and academy players. Hopefully that will give us the opportunity to get right up into the front end of the 2024 draft.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1726918723225968701
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Matt Clarke post-draft said we had some intel that we knew we'd still get the same kids we wanted despite trading back in the draft. Doing these trades has strengthened our draft hand for next year as we know clubs will be seeking to match points for father-son and academy players. Hopefully that will give us the opportunity to get right up into the front end of the 2024 draft.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1726918723225968701
Sounds pretty smart then tbh.
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A quick Google search and we do have an academy so next year is 6 3rd and 4th rounds picks for an academy player I guess.
Can't match a bid on an academy player before pick 40 so if they're that good we wouldn't be getting them anyway.... :shh
Seems some clubs are kicking up a stink about that and are going thr AFL. Eagles in particular seem to be fuming at the advantages the North Eastern states are getting around their academy players
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Suns website says there are 3 academy players for 2024. So like this year they will be looking to accumulate later picks and maximise points. So based on tdy's calculations above we have 1400 points as an average to get their 1st round pick. So if Hardwick gets them to finals and they finish bottom 4 of top 8 then their pick will be worth between 1161 and 1329.
2024 trade/draft period options everywhere with those additional picks
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Just don't agree with the premise that there are only duds after pick 30 or so.
If they do their homework and get it right there are kids right thru every draft.
Thought we bought in a couple of kids that fitted need a big mid to develop and a kpf to develop.
Just think we could have done more just two nd picks late two years in a row now just does not fit right with me.
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So, in total for next year we've got:
Our own 1st.
Our own 2nd.
Freo's 2nd.
Our own 3rd.
Eagles' 3rd.
Freo's 3rd.
Our own 4th.
Essendon's 4th - this future 4th rounder we got from Essendon is tied to Collingwood.
Port's 4th.
Correction.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1066491/2024-draft-picks-order-future-picks-trades-dockers-hope-for-pies-power-slide
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So, in total for next year we've got:
Our own 1st.
Our own 2nd.
Freo's 2nd.
Our own 3rd.
Eagles' 3rd.
Freo's 3rd.
Our own 4th.
Collingwood's 4th
Port's 4th.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1066491/2024-draft-picks-order-future-picks-trades-dockers-hope-for-pies-power-slide
The more Freo loses the better it is for us.
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[Current] Draft picks:
3, 23, 30 (Freo), 41, 43 (WC), 48 (Freo), 59, 64 (Pies), 70 (Port)
https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1781854366024061337
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Tank Freo Tank!
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[Current] Draft picks:
3, 23, 30 (Freo), 41, 43 (WC), 48 (Freo), 59, 64 (Pies), 70 (Port)
https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1781854366024061337
That draft hand is starting to look ok if you take into account what me may receive for Baker . Throw in a good compensation for the possibility of Dan Rioli and Dusty moving - but this is just conjecture at this point
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Will be even better if we can bundle some of those and get more top 10's.
If Baker goes I could see us pushing for 3 top 10 picks.
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Will be even better if we can bundle some of those and get more top 10's.
Yep. Target clubs needing draft points for their academy kids and father-sons.
23+30 -> pick 10
30+41 -> pick 17
30+41+43 -> pick 10
30+48+59+64 -> pick 14
41+43 -> pick 24
https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator
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[Current] Draft picks:
3, 23, 30 (Freo), 41, 43 (WC), 48 (Freo), 59, 64 (Pies), 70 (Port)
https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1781854366024061337
That draft hand is starting to look ok if you take into account what me may receive for Baker . Throw in a good compensation for the possibility of Dan Rioli and Dusty moving - but this is just conjecture at this point
Reckon we might jag Freo’s 8 and 10 in return for Baker and say our pick 30. Give me Goldies pick 9 for Dan Rioli (the one position we have heaps of alternatives).
Then I’d be on trading that pick 8 and 21 to get us pick 4 or 5 from Crows or Eagles.
That gives us a great draft hand providing we finish bottom 3….
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[Current] Draft picks:
3, 23, 30 (Freo), 41, 43 (WC), 48 (Freo), 59, 64 (Pies), 70 (Port)
https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1781854366024061337
That draft hand is starting to look ok if you take into account what me may receive for Baker . Throw in a good compensation for the possibility of Dan Rioli and Dusty moving - but this is just conjecture at this point
Reckon we might jag Freo’s 8 and 10 in return for Baker and say our pick 30. Give me Goldies pick 9 for Dan Rioli (the one position we have heaps of alternatives).
Then I’d be on trading that pick 8 and 21 to get us pick 4 or 5 from Crows or Eagles.
That gives us a great draft hand providing we finish bottom 3….
I think we'd be lucky to get 10 for Baker by itself
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[Current] Draft picks:
3, 23, 30 (Freo), 41, 43 (WC), 48 (Freo), 59, 64 (Pies), 70 (Port)
https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1781854366024061337
That draft hand is starting to look ok if you take into account what me may receive for Baker . Throw in a good compensation for the possibility of Dan Rioli and Dusty moving - but this is just conjecture at this point
Reckon we might jag Freo’s 8 and 10 in return for Baker and say our pick 30. Give me Goldies pick 9 for Dan Rioli (the one position we have heaps of alternatives).
Then I’d be on trading that pick 8 and 21 to get us pick 4 or 5 from Crows or Eagles.
That gives us a great draft hand providing we finish bottom 3….
I think we'd be lucky to get 10 for Baker by itself
Yeh me too, late first rounder would be my guess
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So basically low to mid 20's for Baker.?
If we make that deal then we are a very stupid club. I don't think we would entertain anything more than low teens.
My guess is around 10 and that is fair for his leadership, talent and experience coming from a successful club.
If not then tell them all to FO
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So basically low to mid 20's for Baker.?
If we make that deal then we are a very stupid club. I don't think we would entertain anything more than low teens.
My guess is around 10 and that is fair for his leadership, talent and experience coming from a successful club.
If not then tell them all to FO
Spot on 💯.
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[Current] Draft picks:
3, 23, 30 (Freo), 41, 43 (WC), 48 (Freo), 59, 64 (Pies), 70 (Port)
https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1781854366024061337
That draft hand is starting to look ok if you take into account what me may receive for Baker . Throw in a good compensation for the possibility of Dan Rioli and Dusty moving - but this is just conjecture at this point
Reckon we might jag Freo’s 8 and 10 in return for Baker and say our pick 30. Give me Goldies pick 9 for Dan Rioli (the one position we have heaps of alternatives).
Then I’d be on trading that pick 8 and 21 to get us pick 4 or 5 from Crows or Eagles.
That gives us a great draft hand providing we finish bottom 3….
8 and 10 for Baker and 30?
If you can get that sorted , we should make you list manager, director of football, and everything else in between
And Freo’s bloke should be fired for utter incompetence
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WC can have Baker, both Riolis, our first, second & future first for Harley Reid....and that's just the bid I'd open with.... :shh
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[Current] Draft picks:
3, 23, 30 (Freo), 41, 43 (WC), 48 (Freo), 59, 64 (Pies), 70 (Port)
https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1781854366024061337
That draft hand is starting to look ok if you take into account what me may receive for Baker . Throw in a good compensation for the possibility of Dan Rioli and Dusty moving - but this is just conjecture at this point
Reckon we might jag Freo’s 8 and 10 in return for Baker and say our pick 30. Give me Goldies pick 9 for Dan Rioli (the one position we have heaps of alternatives).
Then I’d be on trading that pick 8 and 21 to get us pick 4 or 5 from Crows or Eagles.
That gives us a great draft hand providing we finish bottom 3….
8 and 10 for Baker and 30?
If you can get that sorted , we should make you list manager, director of football, and everything else in between
And Freo’s bloke should be fired for utter incompetence
Saad went for pick 6. He’s our vice captain and frankly he gives them leadership that is lacking at that club. There’s plenty of worse trades out there.
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[Current] Draft picks:
3, 23, 30 (Freo), 41, 43 (WC), 48 (Freo), 59, 64 (Pies), 70 (Port)
https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1781854366024061337
That draft hand is starting to look ok if you take into account what me may receive for Baker . Throw in a good compensation for the possibility of Dan Rioli and Dusty moving - but this is just conjecture at this point
Reckon we might jag Freo’s 8 and 10 in return for Baker and say our pick 30. Give me Goldies pick 9 for Dan Rioli (the one position we have heaps of alternatives).
Then I’d be on trading that pick 8 and 21 to get us pick 4 or 5 from Crows or Eagles.
That gives us a great draft hand providing we finish bottom 3….
8 and 10 for Baker and 30?
If you can get that sorted , we should make you list manager, director of football, and everything else in between
And Freo’s bloke should be fired for utter incompetence
Saad went for pick 6. He’s our vice captain and frankly he gives them leadership that is lacking at that club. There’s plenty of worse trades out there.
Saad deal
The Blues have sent picks No.8 and 87 to the Bombers, who will return picks No.48 and 78 to the Blues.
Just a little bit off
Pick 6 my lemon and sars
I hope you’re correct , just think you’re dreaming Kerrigan style
Love Bakes, gun and hope we keep him if the value isn’t there .. but if it’s what you’re saying, I’d wrap him in a bow tie and present him to any club offering
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Reckon you are splitting hairs there. I’d take the same deal Carlton gave Bombres and also think Freo will be up for something similar. Baker is at least as good as Saad - plays forward, back and can pinch hit in midfield. If people think Saad is a better player than I am super glad that they don’t represent our club in trade week
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Yeah I’d also take the Saad deal if he wanted to leave. As much as I love him, I’d drive him to freo myself even if he wanted to stay if we were somehow getting 2 picks in the top 10 back lol
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What's the stuffing use of drafting kids when #GutlessYze won't play 'em anyway so we can watch the likes of Peg Leg Prestia & Charcoal Grimes hobble around again while Hackintosh flaps his arms and blows up his GPS tracker...... :banghead
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i would have bakers left nut than anything saad has produced to date, but hey that is me.
Baker pick 10-12 and a pick in the 30's, with our second going back to them is a fair deal. That is at the very least.
Saad, Schulz, Hopper this and that. Give me Baker any day.
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If there was a Baker trade and If we could somehow package up Hopper to get him off our list in the whole deal then depending on what we get could be considered
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I'd send Baker and Hopper to Freo for pick 8 if they pay Hopper lol
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I'd send Baker and Hopper to Freo for pick 8 if they pay Hopper lol
Would take that