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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Moi on June 18, 2006, 01:14:16 PM
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Hawks one point
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Cogs might be injured - limping
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Foley point
Hawks 1
Tiges 1
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Cogs hurt knee, but done some work on him and he's running the boundary
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Hawks 2
Tiges 2
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Hawks 1.2
Tiges 2 points
Hawks Burchall goal
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Rushed behind to Tiges
H - 9
Tiges - 3
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Hawks goal
H - 15
R - 3
We look pretty flat - I'm worried
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Hooray - Tambo goals
H - 15
R - 9
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Browny point
H - 15
R - 10
Hawks 8 free kicks to 1 :banghead
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Again ! :banghead
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Qtr Time
Hawks 2.3.15
Tiges 1.4.10
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Tivs has another shot.
2 shots at goal - one didn't make the distance and the other out on the full :banghead
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Dixon goal
H - 21
R - 10
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Another bloody point by Staff
H - 21
R - 11
Hawks look like they want it more.
We look flat
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One way to get your post count up lol - Hawks point
H - 22
R - 11
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Great snap by Coles Meyer
H - 22
T - 17
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Buddy's having a good game :wallywink
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Hawks point
Tivva misses another - this one on the run
H 23
R 18
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Williams goal
H - 29
R - 18
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Rushed behind to Hawks
H - 30
R - 18
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Dixon Goal
H - 36
R - 18
:banghead
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How crap are we playing and how one-sided is the bloody umpiring >:(.
The Hawks want it more and making us look sooo slow ::). We need to go in harder and be smarter going inside 50 instead of just bombing it.
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Patto - another point
H - 36
R - 19
We're kicking ourselves out of this game - really really bad
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We kick pionts, they kick goals
H - 42
R - 19
Lewis goal
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i cant hear or see it but it seems as though ere letting a team of turkeys dictate the play
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i cant hear or see it but it seems as though ere letting a team of turkeys dictate the play
Pretty much no intensity from us at all.
Hawks want it more
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Stuff this
Franklin goal
H - 48
R - 19
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DUMB DUMB DUMB :banghead. Play as a team Tigers :help
We actually got a free for too high. Only took to half way thru the 2nd quarter.
We're making Buddy look like a champion. Get Razor off him :help.
Be nice if we could kick straight too :banghead.
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we'll be right :thumbsup
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Rushed behind
H - 48
R - 20
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Simmo another sitter missed
H - 48
R - 21
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Ox, Pattison is probably our best player - playing a confident game
Petts goal
H 48
R 27
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Half time
H - 7.6 48
R - 3.9.27
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thanjs Moi.
Im still here,fukken annoying with only the game plan thing on the AFL site.Its about 1 minute off the ball :banghead :sleep
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Pretty poor effort by the AFL not to tee up a local station to pick it up
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whats annoying besides the umpires, is tivs and hall
both effing pathetic
tivendale is a f waste of space
hope the prick gets run over
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Go Tivs, i hope you play a better second half and stick it up those who just won't give him a fair go.
Have a look at the team as a whole, X
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whats annoying besides the umpires, is tivs and hall
both effing pathetic
tivendale is a f waste of space
hope the prick gets run over
LMAO X
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The umpiring is crap. That free against Pettifer was a joke >:(.
Let's hope we bring our brains out after half-time although we did better in the 5-10 minutes. Didn't anyone tell Foley he only had 15 seconds to get it inside 50 ???.
Patto has done well across CHB. Rainesy has been good. Simmo, Pettifer and Browny are trying their guts out.
We're getting smashed out of the centre clearances :help. Missing Cogs big time. I wouldn't be blaming just Tivs X. Most of the side is having a shocker and simply not being accountable and putting pressure on the Hawks while we are under continual pressure.
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Has Krak had a touch?
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lol Moi ;)
Where's the pressure ???.
Patto kicks it OOF :help
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Stafford - Smash - best hawks player.
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It's taken till the 3rd quarter for the umps to realise the Hawks are head hunting with their swinging arms ::).
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The pay one kick not 15 then the same distanced kick a mark.
Trip BS >:(
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Another miss ::)
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Browny point
H 48
R 28
Ten points - ridiculous :banghead
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Franklin goal
H - 54
R - 28
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Brennan goal
H - 60
R - 28
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Petts goal
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:-X
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It's Pettifer vs Hawthorn. He's doing it all on his own.
Patto is doing terrific around the ground but just don't know where the goals are ???.
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Nice kick by Tivs lol to Simmo 10 metres out
Simmo goals
H - 60
R - 40
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Can anyone give me the free count?
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Hawks goal
H - 66
R - 40
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Tivva point - at least he's getting it lol
H - 66
R - 41
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Hall drops sitter - Franklin goals :banghead
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Remind me not to visit BigFooty for a week will ya lol :rollin
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Dixon goal
H 79
R 41
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3/4 time
H 12.7.79
R 5.11.41
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dont bother on account of me Moi -Gone Fishin' :cheers
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I'm going to bed so i can get up for the soccer lol
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tiv and hall better not play a game again 4 us this yr!
they are poo
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not happy bout the very ordinary umpiring display
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Nathan Brown goal
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Franklin kicks his 5th
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Same old same old. Some habits die hard :'(
As bad as the Carlton game last year. Soft as! :banghead
We finally wake up when it's all too late then Razor gifts another goal ::).
Why is Razor still on Franklin? He doesn't have the pace or agility to go with him. Why didn't we play Polo on him?
Another goal to them. Hawthorn had an extra man in their forward line all alone :banghead.
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Petts goal
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what a joke
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How many marks have we dropped today? :help.
Another point :banghead
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How many kicks within reasonable range haven't made the distance?
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Now we've been picked up for kicking less than 15 metres a few times today.
Was that last kick to Clark 15m?
Nope, but paid a mark
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Frees 11-24 :o
If today was against a top side it would have been another 20 goal thumping.
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exactly moi
inconsistent with that today completely
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that was extremely disappointing.
a complete write off.
we are better than that
lets hope in 2 weeks time we can come out and giv it to the pies
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We're heaps better than that, TT
That's why it's so disappoint with what was at stake. They deserved to make the eight after their past efforts, and they blew it badly :banghead
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overwhelmed by the ground having never played it b4?
Might xplain some of the kicks
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The conditions were perfect for footy - no wind, great surface, great turn-up of supporters and a position in the 8.
They should have been playing like they were one point down in a grand final with a minute to go.
Won't be highlighting players when it was a total team non-effort IMO.
Positives was Patto i thought. Looks like a clumsy Ben Holland lol, but really tried hard today.
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wallace was just plain stupid today, i hope he comes out and does a blight and publicly bags tiv, hall add staff and himself. cant beleive they used dixon to drag raines deep back and wallace didnt make a change .....bloody fool
what have we learned today
a few things
1/ staff should not play again
2/ tiv should not play again
3/ hall should not play again
4/ deledio is getting lazier by the week
5/ tuck is quickly losing his touch and needs to start putting in , he is way down on last y
6/ we still cant tackle
7/ goal kicking is crap
8/ tiv i repeat should not play again
9/ we still get ahead of ourselves and complaicent
nothing to do with the ground, its oval, and sticks on each end and no wind today. they were just plain lazy
the only positives to come out were
1/ brown came out ok
2/ petts is still playing well
3/ snake is still playing well
4/ the biggest positive today, patterson played fantastic and showed he will be a good player, he never gave up, deledio should learn from him. what peees me off about lids, is many times he had opportunities to take players on , one on one with his pace, but lacked the courage and desire to do so, rather he was content to chip the ball. biggest sin in life is wasting talent, and deledio is wasting his by not taking ppl on
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ahhh moi dont remind me of holland hahaha
i think patto was one positive today a bit of the spider burton about him i reckon
petts was everywhere today didnt have much suuport
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I agree that Wallace for all the good things hes done this year has to shoulder the majority of the blame for today. Hall made Franklin look like Royce Hart, Tivendale tries but in the end we are not going anywhere with players like Tivendale- league players need to slot more goals than they miss...tivendale was terrible today, stafford shouldnt have played and Schulz or Hughes should have come in...infact the size of the ground probably warranted both Schulz and Hughes coming in. Krakouer was average again today. We have way to many passengers at the moment and whilst I dont agree that Deledio has become lazy the truth is he isnt impacting as wed like.
Pattison was good, busted his guts for his team today, Meyer again showed class with his goal...but we are a very ordinary outfit. We will finish 12th at best.
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When you have 15 blokes having off days it's hard to win. Too many passengers who expected others to win the footy for them. Until we eliminate these performances we won't go forward. Everything to play for and we blew it. We could hardly hit a target and when we did we dropped crucial marks or fumbled up forward or in defence which cost us goals at both ends. And when we did finally hold onto a mark we kept kicking points :banghead.
Most of our talls had shockers - Hall, Staff, Chubba and both Bowdens. Most of our midfielders got spanked. Tuck had a dog of a day as did Tivs and Lids. Our in and unders and crumbers weren't sighted - Krak, Blingers, Foley, Meyer, Polo and Hyde. We missed Richo and Cogs big time. Even Clarkson said after the game Cogs going off was a big help to them. Then again the Hawks had at least 6 of their best 22 out so we can't complain.
You do expect backward steps from us with such a young list but just so disappointing to take a big one today and with so many senior players down on form as well.
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I agree that Wallace for all the good things hes done this year has to shoulder the majority of the blame for today. Hall made Franklin look like Royce Hart.... stafford shouldnt have played and Schulz or Hughes should have come in...infact the size of the ground probably warranted both Schulz and Hughes coming in.
Agree on both counts Ramps. It's a nice thought to try and get Staff to his 200 but Sarge should have played.
I'm still trying to fathom why Terry didn't put Polo on Franklin. It wasn't as though Polo was containing Mitchell.
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Team stats
Kicks 207 - 234
Marks 112 - 147
Handballs 91 - 127
Tackles 65 - 50
Hitouts 34 - 27
Frees 13 - 24
Individual Stats
Player K H D M HO T FF FA G B
K.Pettifer 17 4 21 11 0 3 2 2 3 0
K.Johnson 13 6 19 6 0 3 2 2 0 0
G.Tivendale 17 1 18 7 0 10 1 1 0 2
B.Deledio 10 7 17 7 0 1 0 0 0 0
P.Bowden 11 5 16 6 0 1 0 1 0 0
N.Brown 14 2 16 10 0 1 2 0 1 2
R.Hall 11 5 16 7 0 6 3 1 0 0
A.Pattison 10 6 16 10 4 2 0 0 0 0
T.Simmonds 13 3 16 8 26 2 0 1 2 1
C.Hyde 10 5 15 6 0 5 0 2 0 0
J.Bowden 10 4 14 3 0 1 0 2 0 0
A.Raines 10 4 14 1 0 1 0 1 0 0
R.Tambling 9 5 14 5 0 4 1 0 1 0
S.Tuck 10 3 13 2 1 3 1 3 0 1
C.Newman 10 2 12 0 0 5 1 1 0 1
N.Foley 5 6 11 3 0 4 0 1 0 0
A.Kellaway 4 7 11 3 1 2 0 2 0 0
A.Krakouer 7 4 11 5 0 6 0 2 0 0
D.Meyer 6 4 10 1 0 2 0 0 1 0
D.Polo 6 4 10 6 0 1 0 1 0 0
G.Stafford 3 4 7 4 2 2 0 1 0 1
M.Coughlan 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Top 5's
Ranking points
Lewis 142
Ladson 140
Pettifer 136
Dixon 129
Simmonds 122
Contested possies
Lewis 11
Mitchell 10
Johnson 9
Hall 8
Campbell 7
Uncontested possies
Clarke 24
Mitchell 22
Young 20
Ladson 19
Ries 17
Effective kicks
Ladson 19
Young 18
Mitchell 16
Pettifer 15
C.Brown 13
Inside 50
Johnson 6
Young 5
Tivendale 5
Simmonds 5
Hyde 5
Rebound 50
Young 7
J.Bowden 5
Ladson 4
Mitchell 4
[/color=yellow]P.Bowden 4[/color]
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stats dont mean anything from tonights game. we all know what happened and the result of it.
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Wallace on Sports Tonight said we were flat and disinterested. He said he warned them.
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flat and disinterested is an indictment on a group of players who should have understood that winning today would have given them a chance of making the eight and losing meant not making it.
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Wallace on Sports Tonight said we were flat and disinterested. He said he warned them.
TW also said it fell on deaf ears. I think it shows that the maturity isn’t there, as a team, just yet.
You could tell early on that our players weren't switched on. The desperation wasn't there, as it has been in other weeks.
Other teams may have the experience and ability to turn that situation around, but apart from a few exceptions, our players couldn't switch on properly, and turn their form around, after a sluggish start.
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Wheels will fall right of now. We'll have a long losing streak, if we can match 10 wins for the season that will be a good ending. As i said before, we will now get either pick 4 or pick 5 overall in the national draft.
If we fall away, Wallace will nail the offenders this time and theyll be out and if he doesnt, then he will go the same way as every other coach over the past 25 years. I expect big news to come from tigerland this time around. Wallace isnt stupid. Its either him or the serial offenders. My money's on the plough, the offenders will be out for sure.
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If the wheels fall off now then that is just as great an indictment on us as being flat and disinterested today. We've come back straight after the Dogs and Swans hidings and after the break should be no different. We've got a tough draw against sides above us over the next 6 matches but you still expect to see the side to at least do the footy basics well, follow the run and carry gameplan and play as a team supporting one another. There was none of that today.
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Wallace on Sports Tonight said we were flat and disinterested. He said he warned them.
TW also said it fell on deaf ears. I think it shows that the maturity isn’t there, as a team, just yet.
You could tell early on that our players weren't switched on. The desperation wasn't there, as it has been in other weeks.
Other teams may have the experience and ability to turn that situation around, but apart from a few exceptions, our players couldn't switch on properly, and turn their form around, after a sluggish start.
We still don't have the hunger and desire that is needed. That show no mercy attitude. As a side we're still too "nice". That's why we don't bury sides even when dominating on the way to a win. We seem to just do what is required and play to the level of the opposition on the day.
It would have helped too if we had kicked straight early. Some of the misses were unforgivable. That sort of thing just kills you. Once Hawthorn got a few goals in front, their confidence and run lifted and we were playing catch up footy all day.
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Wallace irate at Tigers' efforts
6:23:07 PM Sun 18 June, 2006
Jason Phelan
Exclusive to richmonfc.com.au
Richmond was poised to take a big step in its quest to play finals this season against the undermanned Hawks, but barely managed to fire a shot in Launceston on Sunday.
It was a match that the Tigers were favoured to win and perhaps should have won with the carrot of seventh place on the ladder up for grabs. It's a scenario that's all too familiar for the yellow-and-black army, and Terry Wallace feels that his charges let slip a golden opportunity to send the club down a new path.
"Our supporters worry about those sort of games and we sat there and said, 'we need to be professional enough that our supporters don't need to worry about those sort of games (anymore)'," a visibly angry Wallace said from Aurora Stadium after the 41-point loss.
"That we'll be good enough and strong enough in the mind to be able to get the job done when you need to get it done. I'm not taking anything away from the opposition at all, but the reality of it was that they came here with about seven of their senior blokes out of their line-up and our blokes just didn't come to play - that was my message (after the match)."
Skipper Kane Johnson - who Wallace praised for his tireless efforts in curbing Luke Hodge - was the only Tiger to earn any plaudits from the irate coach who snorted disdainfully when asked specifically where his team had fallen down.
"Where do you want to start? I mean we just never got our game going at any stage at all. The worst element was that we wouldn't put our head over the ball and win it," he replied frankly.
"I don't have any issue with (Johnson's) mindset or where he was at, but the rest of the group need to have a look at themselves. You know a little bit of publicity - it doesn't take much - there were just a few little sounds coming out of the rooms over the week, a few things have been said that (indicated) perhaps a couple were getting a bit ahead of themselves and you learn a very, very harsh lesson in this competition if that's the case."
Unheralded Hawks Rick Ladson and Tim Clarke were among the chief architects of the Tigers' demise - gathering 53 disposals and 21 marks between them - and Wallace used them as prime examples of the differing mindsets on display on Sunday.
"Blokes with perhaps not huge reputations, but with enough to prove and that was the difference," he said of the two.
"I just thought we were appalling in our ability to man up, I mean I thought we had some guys who were more worried about what their numbers read at the end of the day in relation to their own stats than what they were worried about playing two-way footy and you don't win any game of football unless you're prepared to do it both ways.
"We've had our highs, our lows and we've had our shocking moments in the season - this goes down as one of them - and we've had some really strong moments.
"But what (this) shows you is that in this competition - (where) we were good enough to beat Adelaide who were absolutely flying when our disciplines are right, when everyone's dotting the Is and crossing the Ts - if you want to get ahead of yourself anywhere along the line, you'll come back down to earth with a thud."
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=274566
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I'm back and.............
The only comment I wish to make about the game in Launceston is..................
The weather was fantastic :thumbsup
That's all :banghead >:( :banghead
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terry wallace has not even been true and fair in his comments.
he comes out and says that only sugar can hold his head up, after a gr8 job on hodge. yes it was a good job, well done sugar, u did a fantastic job on an injured player. its common knowlege that hodge isnt right!
btw, terry should have praised simmo and petts, they are the ones who carried the side, and the only reason why raines cant be mentioned is because terrys poor form in the box meant that raines was denied bog 4 the game, as at quarter time he was on his way to that!
he says the boys were complaicent, ahead of themselves, believing the press, bla bla bla
yes that is true, but that is the job of the coaching staff to keep the boys head right, remeber many are still young.
nathan brown imo made a big mistake talking up the 8 and finals in an article on the w/e, this shows the team were getting ahead of themselves.
what disappoints me the most, we got thumped by the dawks, and terry made big errors in team selection and in his decision making during game day! maybe he was ahead of himself and the team just represented the way he coached during the week........remember, u only play like you train!
terry, this w/e , you have cost urself coach of the yr, its not just the players fault!
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I'm back and.............
The only comment I wish to make about the game in Launceston is..................
The weather was fantastic :thumbsup
That's all :banghead >:( :banghead
it was a shocker no doubt about it.
we played crap
the umpires had really no impact on teh result sort of, but what really breaks my balls is the way , week in and week out , we get treated very harshly by the umpires. they always seem to have 2 sets of rules. now im not saying we lost due to th eumpires, but at many crucial times, crucial decisions and non decisions really wrecked us. we once again were very stiff and it peees me off
this loss was worse than the 2 100pt thumpings we had
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there is only 1 thing that can happen to help us forget the non-effort on the w/e
to beat the skunks in 2 weeks time!
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I'm still trying to fathom why Terry didn't put Polo on Franklin. It wasn't as though Polo was containing Mitchell.
Polo played on Bateman
I'm not sure who played on Mitchell - we think it was (gulp) Tiv when Tiv was in the centre for the centre bounce. :rollin
he says the boys were complaicent, ahead of themselves, believing the press, bla bla bla
yes that is true, but that is the job of the coaching staff to keep the boys head right, remeber many are still young.
That's true X but all they can do is tell them you cannot actually make them listen.
It was like at half time Suga spoke to them before they went off - he got really stuck into them but you could tell from the "body language" some of them just weren't listening and that's no fault of Suga.
Being at the game you could actually tell 10 minutes into the 1st quarter we were in big big trouble - they were as flat as pancakes.... :banghead :banghead
And did I mention the weather :help
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I'm still trying to fathom why Terry didn't put Polo on Franklin. It wasn't as though Polo was containing Mitchell.
Polo played on Bateman
I'm not sure who played on Mitchell - we think it was (gulp) Tiv when Tiv was in the centre for the centre bounce. :rollin
he says the boys were complaicent, ahead of themselves, believing the press, bla bla bla
yes that is true, but that is the job of the coaching staff to keep the boys head right, remeber many are still young.
That's true X but all they can do is tell them you cannot actually make them listen.
It was like at half time Suga spoke to them before they went off - he got really stuck into them but you could tell from the "body language" some of them just weren't listening and that's no fault of Suga.
Being at the game you could actually tell 10 minutes into the 1st quarter we were in big big trouble - they were as flat as pancakes.... :banghead :banghead
And did I mention the weather :help
within 5 minutes it was obv teh "mood" was not right. lets hope they turn this disaster into an educational tol of how to never approach a game again
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If a player needs the coach and captain to get them up and motivated for a game that would get the team into the top 8 then they shouldn't be out there. Where's the ruthless attitude? Maybe we should tell the boys next time we are favourites that they are playing the top side so at least they are switched on and focussed when they run out.
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If a player needs the coach and captain to get them up and motivated for a game that would get the team into the top 8 then they shouldn't be out there. Where's the ruthless attitude? Maybe we should tell the boys next time we are favourites that they are playing the top side so at least they are switched on and focussed when they run out.
we lost our ruthlessness when graeme richmond died. i watched the game the other night on fox, 1994 , v the crows at aami! northey coaching! by god we were an unskillfull mob, but we nearly had all that ruthlessness back. watching back , i had forgotten how hard and tough we became under northey. my only wish now was that we could tackle and play hard like back then.
makes me wonder how far we could have gone if fat mal brown didnt have an agenda v northey. and that fat prick now , who once claimed he loved tigerland, is nothing but a yellow and brown poo pusher!
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The problem under Northey and a number of other coaches throughout that era was we tried to compensate lack of skill with ruthlessness and toughness. Once we met a top side that could match our intensity and toughness we were stuffed.
You would expect us to struggle now days against the top sides because of the number of young bodies we have in the team but there was such no excuse against a similarly young side such as Hawthorn. We were just not switched on mentally. I wish we could bottle what Wayne Johnston has. Even as just a runner he said the adrenalin still gets going in the big games. That's what we need from our guys. Get the adrenalin pumping and have that hunger to go for the kill :thumbsup.
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Well well well....Got back Sunday night. Hobart was great. The whole weekend was great. Sunday morning 9 of us decked out the mini-bus with balloons and streamers with the theme song blaring only for a satanic performance. I was seriously offended with the way the boys played. Here we are putting our hard earned to go interstate, we take days off work and they serve up that crap....makes me sick thinking about it.
A lot of downers...too many passengers. Almost got lost on the big ground because we couldnt man up or create a contest. Woeful inside 50 during the 1st quarter. We just had no system or structure. We were bamboozled going into 50 and required someone to step up but it didnt happen and we got steamrolled. A couple of positives...rapt with Patto and Meyer's development, and solid performances from Newy and Johno.
Im really trying hard to like the Bowdens. I really am. Im trying to understand the fuss about Joel....Im trying to understand how he stole Richo's B&Fs the last two years. I was even sitting down with various supporters at Wrest Point discussing why they rate him...and I still dont get it. Patrick for me...Ill never get why we chased so hard for him (god help me if its to make his brother happy).
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OM...looking at it from the comfort of the couch on TV lol...it looked to me in the first quarter that our players were caught out by the length of the ground- that was evidence by the fact that kicks from the wing were landing about 15 mtrs outside the 50 consistently, therefore...we were always 1 kick short and we needed one more short kick from the wing to a running player who could then have got the footy inside 50. Sadly there wasnt much run and the options for the extra kick that was needed just werent there.
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this loss was worse than the 2 100pt thumpings we had
If we had of played a good side, it'd have been a third 100 point thrashing.
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How did we throw away a game against that rabble?! :scream. Franklin got a whopping total of 6 possies and a goal when someone actually made him accountable ::).
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How did we throw away a game against that rabble?! :scream. Franklin got a whopping total of 6 possies and a goal when someone actually made him accountable ::).
i still wonder how in the hell we let that crap side beat us!
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We let Carlton stuff up last years campaign as well. The answer lies in many things, but the undeniable truth is we need more skilled players and we need to develop some tougher leadership (which I hope is being instilled into the likes of Deledio and Newman and Polo and co.)
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We let Carlton stuff up last years campaign as well. The answer lies in many things, but the undeniable truth is we need more skilled players and we need to develop some tougher leadership (which I hope is being instilled into the likes of Deledio and Newman and Polo and co.)
No doubt we need more skilled players but that isn't an excuse against bottom sides like Carlton and Hawthorn. We just don't trn up to play. The problem is above the shoulders and the same reason we don't thump sides when we dominate games. No hunger and no killer instinct! We try to do just enough to win :(.
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How did we lose to this rabble! :scream
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We were too cocky and full of ourselves. :-\