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AFL Round 16
RICHMOND vs Carlton
Sunday, 30th June @ the M.C.G.
Start time: 3:20 pm
Odds: (Sportsbet)
Richmond $5.80
Carlton $1.14
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/6026
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Lynch out, for at least 2 weeks. :thumbsdown :help
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Will struggle to get to 50 points :help
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Unfortunately expecting an absolute trashing by Carlton
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Kosi and Ryan up fwd… worst line up I can ever remember
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We're going to get thumped
So I'd put Balta forward with Kosi and bring in Blight to debut
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THE CERTAINTIES FOR THE REST OF ROUND 16
Andrew Slevison
SEN
29 June 2024
Richmond versus Carlton
Baker to have 20+ disposals, lay 3+ tackles
Liam Baker continues to be in the news regarding his Richmond contract.
But on-field we still feel he’ll have a big impact for the Tigers as they take on the unenviable task of Carlton at the MCG.
Baker has hit the 15-disposal mark in six of seven career games against the Blues, and has reached that threshold in all of his 11 games in 2024.
He has also had 20 or more in seven games this year, so we’re not denying him from getting to that disposal mark, while also impacting with his attack around the ball.
Baker is averaging 3.7 tackles so we’ll throw in at least three tackles for the little gun.
Curnow and McKay to combine for 5+ goals
It’s low-hanging fruit, but the Carlton duo should be very active on Sunday.
Against Geelong last week, Charlie Curnow booted five goals and Harry McKay contributed three of his own for a combined eight majors.
Dual Coleman Medallist Curnow has kicked at least two in all 14 games this season while McKay has booted two or more on nine occasions in 2024.
With many expecting the Blues to come away with a comfortable win, we feel the twin towers will cash in and kick at least five between them as they did in the Round 1 triumph over the Tigers.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/06/28/the-16-certainties-for-the-rest-of-round-16/
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VFL coverage just said Tom De Koning may be a late out for Carlton due to being unwell.
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Banks is the sub.
Confirmed De Koning is out.
LATE CHANGES
Richmond: None
Carlton: Tom De Koning (soreness) replaced in selected side by Marc Pittonet
SUBSTITUTES
Richmond: Sam Banks
Carlton: George Hewett
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1158005/saints-power-look-to-resurrect-flagging-seasons-live-from-110pm-aest
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Balta starting forward.
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:facepalm.
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That's better. Rioli does well to Balta. Nice kick Noah. Goal! :gotigers
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Short :facepalm :facepalm
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Nankervis :facepalm :facepalm
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Where's the front on contact call? :help
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Hello front on contact on Mansell ump ::)
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Hello front on contact on Mansell ump ::)
Blatant :banghead
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Umpires are blind can't see a throw when it's right in front of them. :banghead
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Captain's goal :gotigers
13 - 8
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We are the worst kick-in team in the league. Have been for a few years now. It's like we're still playing under the old rule.
And of course we cough up another late red-time goal :facepalm.
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Blight looks great. McKay got off the leash when he was on the bench. Can't rest him unless McKay is off also.
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Quarter time
Richmond 2.1-13
Carlton 2.4-16
Goals: Balta, Nankervis.
Did ok aside from the turnovers coming out of D50.
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Amazed Hopper hasn’t come off with a soft tissue injury
Still time I guess
Meehan Magic
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Asleep this quarter
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:help
We've come out all reactive to start the 2nd.
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Pathetic. Effort gone completely
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They are just playing with us now. This is going to get very ugly if this continues.
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I've seen enough of Sonsie
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Hooray we actually got a goal. Balta's second effort set up Baker :gotigers.
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We've finally woken up this 2nd qtr. 2 in a minute. Taranto :gotigers
25 - 42
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Nice mark and goal Kosi.
3 in a row :o.
31 - 42
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Virtually every Carlton goal has been off our turnovers :scream.
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Sonsie :gotigers
37 - 49
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Dusty having a nice rest today.
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Dusty is not fit or hungry enough to play anymore. Broad getting goals kicked on him for fiun
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Half-time
Richmond 2.1 6.2-38
Carlton 2.4 7.8-50
Goals: Balta, Koschitzke, Taranto, Sonsie, Nankervis, Baker.
Aside from that first 10 mins of the 2nd qtr, at least we're having a dip. It's our lack of class and inability to consistently do the basics that hurts us. We don't make the most of our inside F50s and Carlton have punished us for our turnovers.
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Dusty is not fit or hungry enough to play anymore. Broad getting goals kicked on him for fiun
If that's the case he should not be playing. As for Broad, send him of to WA also
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Stats to HT:
Taranto 15 disposals
D.Rioli 14
Hopper 12
Kmac 12
Baker 10
Miller 10
Floss 9
Bolton 8
Nank 8
Short 8
Sonsie 8
Blight 7
Kosi 6
McAuliffe 6
Brown 5
Dusty 5
Graham 5
Balta 4
Hugo 4
Broad 3
Campbell 3
Mansell 3
Banks 0 .... sub not used yet,
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/6026#player-stats
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Well done Tiges. Good swarming play. Balta goal :gotigers
45 - 51
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Once again we get a couple of good chances in our F50 and don't take them (Mansell dropped sitter) and then we cough one up at the other end.
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Graham two shocking kicks in the past 5 mins when we were out.
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Touched ball not paid and gifts the Blues a goal ::).
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And once again not doing the basics cost us another goal :scream.
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Dusty subbed off (back) and Banks on.
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A lot of bystanders today watching the blues hunt the ball
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It's showing it is 17th vs 2nd. We failed to make of the momentum when we had it this qtr and now it's swung they are piling it on the scoreboard with ease.
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Clearly Cripps smells like poo 💩 no one wants to stand anywhere near him. :banghead
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Any chance you can man up on Cripps & Walsh.
Pathetic coaching
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A lot of bystanders today watching the blues hunt the ball
Yep, too many passengers. Our small forwards and half-forwards have been useless today.
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Shai has had a mare today like all our small and half forwards.
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3/4 time
Richmond 2.1 6.2 7.6-48
Carlton 2.4 7.8 14.9-93
Goals: Balta 2, Koschitzke, Taranto, Sonsie, Nankervis, Baker.
Blues last 6 goals from just 9 entries. They are likely heading towards a flag :help :chuck. Bring on the draft for us.
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The club needs a total overhaul and cleanout from the top down.
Need to start fresh. Clean slate.
The cancer has set in and spreading fast
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Hooray we kicked a goal (Kosi). Can thank Miller on the wing who has had the better of Curnow.
55 - 94
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Left already. Dad had enough and I'm furious.
Miller has pantsed Curnow and Blight looked very good.
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Balta has been watching the Euros.
61 - 100
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Left already. Dad had enough and I'm furious.
Miller has pantsed Curnow and Blight looked very good.
If we knew we would hold their two talls to just 3 goals we would've grabbed that pre-game. Just shows how disappointing we've been in other parts of the game.
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Baker misses a sitter :P.
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Final Score
Richmond 2.1 6.2 7.6 10.10-70
Carlton 2.4 7.8 14.9 20.11-131
Goals: Balta 3, Koschitzke 2, Taranto, Sonsie, Nankervis, Baker, Mansell.
Miller and Blight were very good. Balta did his job kicking 3. Our talls weren't the issue today. We got smashed at ground level across the park. Just too many passengers. You can always tell when we are crap when some out of form opposition fringe player kicks a bag against us. Today it was Fantasia :facepalm.
Anyway, bring on the draft!
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Clearly Cripps smells like poo 💩 no one wants to stand anywhere near him. :banghead
This guy is a jet, best player in the comp. By a long stretch. Imagine if he played a a good team all the previous years. Makes Martin look average
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On another note, why do we have almost every home game at 3:20 on a Sunday , I hope the club is asking for any other time as it’s the worst time possible imo
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On another note, why do we have almost every home game at 3:20 on a Sunday , I hope the club is asking for any other time as it’s the worst time possible imo
Because the AFL is trying to destroy us
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Some here need a reality check thinking our kids can play 4 quarters and maintain it. We're in rejuvenation expect good patches in games now. No excuses for our senior players through relying on the kids to bring it home.
Graham and Short liabilities nothing has changed see you later.
Sort out the fitness and conditioning we can't run out games to.
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The club needs a total overhaul and cleanout from the top down.
Need to start fresh. Clean slate.
The cancer has set in and spreading fast
What a load of bs 🙄 we're in a rejuvenation period wake up if you think kids are going to run out 4 qtrs they play on patches. Look at the senior blokes letting us down.
Fitness and conditioning needs a overhaul no doubt and bit of heat on Livingstone and Blair to.
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On another note, why do we have almost every home game at 3:20 on a Sunday , I hope the club is asking for any other time as it’s the worst time possible imo
The price of being a bottom 4 club.
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The club needs a total overhaul and cleanout from the top down.
Need to start fresh. Clean slate.
The cancer has set in and spreading fast
What a load of bs 🙄 we're in a rejuvenation period wake up if you think kids are going to run out 4 qtrs they play on patches. Look at the senior blokes letting us down.
Fitness and conditioning needs a overhaul no doubt and bit of heat on Livingstone and Blair to.
So basically you are saying I'm correct lmao.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I'm not talking about the kids :wallywink
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On another note, why do we have almost every home game at 3:20 on a Sunday , I hope the club is asking for any other time as it’s the worst time possible imo
How so?
I like it personally.
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The club needs a total overhaul and cleanout from the top down.
Need to start fresh. Clean slate.
The cancer has set in and spreading fast
What a load of bs 🙄 we're in a rejuvenation period wake up if you think kids are going to run out 4 qtrs they play on patches. Look at the senior blokes letting us down.
Fitness and conditioning needs a overhaul no doubt and bit of heat on Livingstone and Blair to.
So basically you are saying I'm correct lmao.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I'm not talking about the kids :wallywink
Total cleanout and overhaul bit drastic what I'm saying. Plenty to like.
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The club needs a total overhaul and cleanout from the top down.
Need to start fresh. Clean slate.
The cancer has set in and spreading fast
What a load of bs 🙄 we're in a rejuvenation period wake up if you think kids are going to run out 4 qtrs they play on patches. Look at the senior blokes letting us down.
Fitness and conditioning needs a overhaul no doubt and bit of heat on Livingstone and Blair to.
So basically you are saying I'm correct lmao.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I'm not talking about the kids :wallywink
Total cleanout and overhaul bit drastic what I'm saying. Plenty to like.
Total cleanout of all that's old and poo. It's a figure of speech ..
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On another note, why do we have almost every home game at 3:20 on a Sunday , I hope the club is asking for any other time as it’s the worst time possible imo
Hate to break this to people but the Club can ask but end of the day the timeslots are very much determined by the broadcasters
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I know we were never likely to win but yet again the umpires have heavily influenced the game at a crucial time.
In the 3rd about 10-15 mins in & we were still in the game that touched ball by Brown that wasn't called and led to a very soft goal to Carlton, from there the heads dropped and they scored 3 or 4 in the space of 10 minutes. Game over!
I was right behind that kick and it was clearly touched, you could tell simply by how it deviated and floated. That an ump less than 10 metres missed it is disgraceful but no surprise considering how bad the standard of umpiring is right now
Would it have changed the result? Probably not but it certainly was a momentum killer and when you have such a young side out there the impact is huge
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I know we were never likely to win but yet again the umpires have heavily influenced the game at a crucial time.
In the 3rd about 10-15 mins in & we were still in the game that touched ball by Brown that wasn't called and led to a very soft goal to Carlton, from there the heads dropped and they scored 3 or 4 in the space of 10 minutes. Game over!
I was right behind that kick and it was clearly touched, you could tell simply by how it deviated and floated. That an ump less than 10 metres missed it is disgraceful but no surprise considering how bad the standard of umpiring is right now
Would it have changed the result? Probably not but it certainly was a momentum killer and when you have such a young side out there the impact is huge
Where were you sitting?
I literally heard the effing touch and the ump was much closer.
I'm in M51 row B.
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Team stats:
Disposals: 335 - 389 .... ( contested: 125 - 131 ; uncontested: 200 - 246 )
Efficiency%: 69 - 74
Kicks: 193 - 234
Handballs: 142 - 155
Turnovers: 74 - 65
Marks: 78 - 102 .... ( contested marks: 8 - 12 )
Tackles: 45 - 59
Clearances: 41 - 41 .... ( centre: 15 - 15 ; stoppages: 26 - 26 )
Inside 50s: 47 - 58
In50 eff.%: 43 - 50
In50 marks: 8 - 16
In50 tackles: 12 - 14
Hitouts: 48 - 25
Bounces: 11 - 9
One %ers: 44 - 48
Frees: 22 - 17
Individual possies:
Taranto 27
Hopper 25
D.Rioli 24
Vlastuin 21
McIntosh 18
Baker 17
Bolton 17
Graham 17
Nankervis 17
Short 16
Sonsie 16
Ralphsmith 15
Miller 14
Mansell 13
Koschitzke 12
Blight 11
Broad 11
Brown 9
McAuliffe 9
Balta 8
Martin 7 .... subbed off 3rd qtr (back)
Banks 6 .... subbed on 3rd qtr
Campbell 5
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/6026#player-stats
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The club needs a total overhaul and cleanout from the top down.
Need to start fresh. Clean slate.
The cancer has set in and spreading fast
What a load of bs 🙄 we're in a rejuvenation period wake up if you think kids are going to run out 4 qtrs they play on patches. Look at the senior blokes letting us down.
Fitness and conditioning needs a overhaul no doubt and bit of heat on Livingstone and Blair to.
So basically you are saying I'm correct lmao.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I'm not talking about the kids :wallywink
Add some of these assistants. What a lucky group they are getting paid to do absolutely sfa.
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The club needs a total overhaul and cleanout from the top down.
Need to start fresh. Clean slate.
The cancer has set in and spreading fast
What a load of bs 🙄 we're in a rejuvenation period wake up if you think kids are going to run out 4 qtrs they play on patches. Look at the senior blokes letting us down.
Fitness and conditioning needs a overhaul no doubt and bit of heat on Livingstone and Blair to.
So basically you are saying I'm correct lmao.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I'm not talking about the kids :wallywink
Add some of these assistants. What a lucky group they are getting paid to do absolutely sfa.
Every single person at the club needs to be thoroughly evaluated and moved on if they don't tick every box
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Where were you sitting?
I literally heard the effing touch and the ump was much closer.
I'm in M51 row B.
N49
I'm usually in the Ponsford stand but yesterday I was in the Olympic stand
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At least there were no injuries, I thought Hopper wasn’t too bad for his first game back.
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For the most part , I’ve been enjoying the green shoots that this season has provided- however for the first time I got the feeling that some of the players have checked out of season 2024 …… and more sadly , I feel like some have checked out of the Richmond football club.
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For the most part , I’ve been enjoying the green shoots that this season has provided- however for the first time I got the feeling that some of the players have checked out of season 2024 …… and more sadly , I feel like some have checked out of the Richmond football club.
Mat the club will go on, supporters mostly stick true, we will rise again, those that have checked out, can, and will move on.
We will still be here quibbling about inconsequentialities…
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Who can blame the players. Not me.
#bigpic #no1getitdone
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I know we were never likely to win but yet again the umpires have heavily influenced the game at a crucial time.
In the 3rd about 10-15 mins in & we were still in the game that touched ball by Brown that wasn't called and led to a very soft goal to Carlton, from there the heads dropped and they scored 3 or 4 in the space of 10 minutes. Game over!
I was right behind that kick and it was clearly touched, you could tell simply by how it deviated and floated. That an ump less than 10 metres missed it is disgraceful but no surprise considering how bad the standard of umpiring is right now
Would it have changed the result? Probably not but it certainly was a momentum killer and when you have such a young side out there the impact is huge
Young side hmm. No younger than most. no more 22 and unders than most. just as many games as most.
Kids are not the problem not enough mature players doing enough.
Original post so dumb arses can't confuse things.
No younger than most 10th youngest. average age 25y/198d.Add in Lynch and Prestia when fit and it goes thru the roof.
No more 22 and unders than most teams. 12 teams had between 6 and 9 players aged 22 or under . we had 7 to come in 9th.
Just as many games played as most. 8th with another three teams close.
People carrying on as if we are the only team playing kids when clearly we are not.
We are clearly in the middle somewhere and imo we are playing no more Juniors than most clubs on a weekly basis.
We are playing just as many mature players as most clubs.
Playing up to 6 or 7 younger players needs to be the norm its nothing unusual.
Some going to the extreme of including 23 thru 25 year olds to make their argument work. that is funny.
Team stats:
Disposals: 335 - 389 .... ( contested: 125 - 131 ; uncontested: 200 - 246 )
Efficiency%: 69 - 74
Kicks: 193 - 234
Handballs: 142 - 155
Turnovers: 74 - 65
Marks: 78 - 102 .... ( contested marks: 8 - 12 )
Tackles: 45 - 59
Clearances: 41 - 41 .... ( centre: 15 - 15 ; stoppages: 26 - 26 )
Inside 50s: 47 - 58
In50 eff.%: 43 - 50
In50 marks: 8 - 16
In50 tackles: 12 - 14
Hitouts: 48 - 25
Bounces: 11 - 9
One %ers: 44 - 48
Frees: 22 - 17
Individual possies:
Taranto 27
Hopper 25
D.Rioli 24
Vlastuin 21
McIntosh 18
Baker 17
Bolton 17
Graham 17
Nankervis 17
Short 16
Sonsie 16
Ralphsmith 15
Miller 14
Mansell 13
Koschitzke 12
Blight 11
Broad 11
Brown 9
McAuliffe 9
Balta 8
Martin 7 .... subbed off 3rd qtr (back)
Banks 6 .... subbed on 3rd qtr
Campbell 5
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/6026#player-stats
Apparently that team is devoid of experience and we are throwing kids to the wolves. lol.
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Rubbish Claw
We are younger than literally every side in the comp not called North
Richmond players under 25yo on the weekend 11, Carlton 6
Richmond players under 50 games 10, Carlton 6
Richmond players under 25 games 6, Carlton 1
Week before against another young side Hawthorn
Richmond under 25yo 11, Hawthorn 10
Richmond under 50 games 9, Hawthorn 6
Richmond under 25 games 5, Hawthorn 2
Can do this for the entire season and you would somehow still say I’m wrong and somehow belittle, like you do anyone that points out your incorrect
The facts are, we are young and we are younger than most
Side note , North on the weekend under 25yo, 11
Under 50 games 9
Under 25 games 5
Identical to us
West Coast under 25yo 7
Under 50 games 7
Under 25 games 2
Good luck to them , they are going to need it
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Rubbish Claw
We are younger than literally every side in the comp not called North
Richmond players under 25yo on the weekend 11, Carlton 6
Richmond players under 50 games 10, Carlton 6
Richmond players under 25 games 6, Carlton 1
Week before against another young side Hawthorn
Richmond under 25yo 11, Hawthorn 10
Richmond under 50 games 9, Hawthorn 6
Richmond under 25 games 5, Hawthorn 2
Can do this for the entire season and you would somehow still say I’m wrong and somehow belittle, like you do anyone that points out your incorrect
The facts are, we are young and we are younger than most
Side note , North on the weekend under 25yo, 11
Under 50 games 9
Under 25 games 5
Identical to us
West Coast under 25yo 7
Under 50 games 7
Under 25 games 2
Good luck to them , they are going to need it
Thanks Damo
Our entire list overall is one of thecolder ones
But this season on a week by week basis our sides have been young in both age and more importantly games played
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Rubbish Claw
We are younger than literally every side in the comp not called North
Richmond players under 25yo on the weekend 11, Carlton 6
Richmond players under 50 games 10, Carlton 6
Richmond players under 25 games 6, Carlton 1
Week before against another young side Hawthorn
Richmond under 25yo 11, Hawthorn 10
Richmond under 50 games 9, Hawthorn 6
Richmond under 25 games 5, Hawthorn 2
Can do this for the entire season and you would somehow still say I’m wrong and somehow belittle, like you do anyone that points out your incorrect
The facts are, we are young and we are younger than most
Side note , North on the weekend under 25yo, 11
Under 50 games 9
Under 25 games 5
Identical to us
West Coast under 25yo 7
Under 50 games 7
Under 25 games 2
Good luck to them , they are going to need it
Simple and fact based. I like it.
Crawski, you’ve been pwned.
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The two teams on the weekend had 2340 and 2350 games played. lmfao. basically the same.
Our team was aged 25yr 198days them 26yr 222days. neither young.
That age demographic is a team who should be challenging.
Lmao including 25 year olds, 24 and 25 year olds are not kids a lot of 23 year olds are not either. what an utter nonsense..
by that age you want them to be reasonably well established .
FMD Adelaide played 15 aged 24 and under your criteria and were aged 24yrs and 203days with just 1746 games experiemce. Now that is young.
you just have to be honest with the stats then maybe you can be honest to yourself.
Our mid tier is a huge problem the stats everywhere are telling us this.
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I don’t think you can look at stats like average age because we have the 2 extremes, old
And young and not much in between. Off the top of my head we have the likes of Prestia,dusty,broad,vlastuin,kmac, all 30+
McAuliffe,sonesie,brown,banks,Campbell all 21 and under ?
But more importantly the experience and games played. We don’t have many around the sweet spot of 75-100. Our young guys who could have played 2-3 full seasons have played half a season and even Miller, ralphsmith, mansell haven’t played that much.
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Its a dumb criteria i did not set it
12 clubs on the weekend had between 12 and 16 players aged 25 or under. Another three clubs had 10 to 11 players aged 25 or under.
So when i say we had no more 22 and unders than most clubs or i use your dumb criteria 25 and under i would be correct would i not?
16 clubs had an age demographic between 24 and 26 with us 25yr 198d smack bang in the middle.
Its similar for games played two teams under 2000 games five teams 2700 games or more with us somewhere in the middle of the rest.
Yes thank you Damo lol owned not.
Just an aside i dont think we have played more than 6 juniors 21 and under in the one team all year could be wrong on that one.
It is likely less.
Juniors = 18 - 21 kids establishing themselves. Some show enough for games pretty quickly.
Development = 22 - 24. older kids had three or more preseasons who have secured a list spot not been delisted are developing well
Mature/prime = 25 - 29. Proven mature players at their best.
Vets = 30 plus. Older blokes in various stages of decline best most likely behind them.
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It's not the average that matters, it's the distribution.
Dusty alone was 301 of those games lol
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I don’t think you can look at stats like average age because we have the 2 extremes, old
And young and not much in between. Off the top of my head we have the likes of Prestia,dusty,broad,vlastuin,kmac, all 30+
McAuliffe,sonesie,brown,banks,Campbell all 21 and under ?
But more importantly the experience and games played. We don’t have many around the sweet spot of 75-100. Our young guys who could have played 2-3 full seasons have played half a season and even Miller, ralphsmith, mansell haven’t played that much.
Two extremesokay ::) More excuses.
We have blokes here lumping in 24 and 25 yr old players and calling them kids. what next make the cut off 27 after all they are still young men too.
Balta is 24 in year 7 how can you call him a kid in the scheme of things. Bolton is 25. 8 years in wtf. Miller is in year 7 at age 24. Mansell is 24 in year four!!!. Kosi is 23 in year 6.
You get the drift.
They all played on the weekend along with a whole pile of mature players and vets.
We are not playing bereft of mature players as some would have us believe. the trouble is they are either past it or not good enough.
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Mature/prime = 25 - 29. Proven mature players at their best.
Lets use a category provided by the genius himself.
So ZERO CHANCE of a smart arsed reply.
Carlton Mature/Prime on the weekend = 16
Richmond Mature/Prime on the weekend = 8
Thanks for helping prove a point.
We have too many young players, surrounded by too many older players that are past their best.
So you can continue to spout the arrogant nonsense shown below if you like ..
The two teams on the weekend had 2340 and 2350 games played. lmfao. basically the same.
Our team was aged 25yr 198days them 26yr 222days. neither young.
And I will just use your own age demographic as being mature/prime to show how ridiculous your point is.
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I don’t think you can look at stats like average age because we have the 2 extremes, old
And young and not much in between. Off the top of my head we have the likes of Prestia,dusty,broad,vlastuin,kmac, all 30+
McAuliffe,sonesie,brown,banks,Campbell all 21 and under ?
But more importantly the experience and games played. We don’t have many around the sweet spot of 75-100. Our young guys who could have played 2-3 full seasons have played half a season and even Miller, ralphsmith, mansell haven’t played that much.
Two extremesokay ::) More excuses.
We have blokes here lumping in 24 and 25 yr old players and calling them kids. what next make the cut off 27 after all they are still young men too.
Balta is 24 in year 7 how can you call him a kid in the scheme of things. Bolton is 25. 8 years in wtf. Miller is in year 7 at age 24. Mansell is 24 in year four!!!. Kosi is 23 in year 6.
You get the drift.
They all played on the weekend along with a whole pile of mature players and vets.
We are not playing bereft of mature players as some would have us believe. the trouble is they are either past it or not good enough.
Who said anything about balta ? And if you ready my post I was talking about experience rather than age. Mansell 45 games. Kosi 54 games ( don’t rate either of them anyway ) Miller 38 games. The Kids I referenced are McAuliffe, sonsie, banks, Campbell, Brown. Who are both young and inexperienced and then we have guys around the 24 mark who are older but still relatively inexperienced such as mansell, Miller, Blight, ralphsmith, Kosi.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting we are playing bereft of mature players, in fact most of us here have spoken about how disappointing the mature players have been all season.
Forget about age though, you have a team with this many guys under 50 games and it’s gonna be tough.
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Sonsie
Ralph
Brown
McAuliffe
Banks
Campbell
Blight on debut
All kids by age or experience
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That 7 average 10 games each
Carlton’s bottom 7 average 24 games each
A reasonable delta is experience
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And I suspect our average amount of games and age will reduce next year
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And I suspect our average amount of games and age will reduce next year
We are saying goodbye to Grimes, Prestia, maybe Dusty.
Next year Lynch IMO.
Gonna plummet.
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I don’t think you can look at stats like average age because we have the 2 extremes, old
And young and not much in between. Off the top of my head we have the likes of Prestia,dusty,broad,vlastuin,kmac, all 30+
McAuliffe,sonesie,brown,banks,Campbell all 21 and under ?
But more importantly the experience and games played. We don’t have many around the sweet spot of 75-100. Our young guys who could have played 2-3 full seasons have played half a season and even Miller, ralphsmith, mansell haven’t played that much.
Two extremesokay ::) More excuses.
We have blokes here lumping in 24 and 25 yr old players and calling them kids. what next make the cut off 27 after all they are still young men too.
Balta is 24 in year 7 how can you call him a kid in the scheme of things. Bolton is 25. 8 years in wtf. Miller is in year 7 at age 24. Mansell is 24 in year four!!!. Kosi is 23 in year 6.
You get the drift.
They all played on the weekend along with a whole pile of mature players and vets.
We are not playing bereft of mature players as some would have us believe. the trouble is they are either past it or not good enough.
Who said anything about balta ? And if you ready my post I was talking about experience rather than age. Mansell 45 games. Kosi 54 games ( don’t rate either of them anyway ) Miller 38 games. The Kids I referenced are McAuliffe, sonsie, banks, Campbell, Brown. Who are both young and inexperienced and then we have guys around the 24 mark who are older but still relatively inexperienced such as mansell, Miller, Blight, ralphsmith, Kosi.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting we are playing bereft of mature players, in fact most of us here have spoken about how disappointing the mature players have been all season.
Forget about age though, you have a team with this many guys under 50 games and it’s gonna be tough.
Some here are including 23 thru 25 year olds as kids which included the likes of Balta and Bolton.
The whole point of this debate was to point out we are not playing bereft of mature players there are plenty but they are no longer good enough or just not good enough.
The point was to make people realise if we play 6 22 or unders it is not unusual it is fairly common.
Im sick of the excuses people keep making for the losses. blaming the kids for the defeats.
Imo we are not throwing kids to the wolves they need to be played its down to the mature lot if blame is to be placed.
Im sick of hearing we are playing too many kids what do you expect. It just deflects from just how poor others have been.
As far as playing kids aged between 18 and 21 each week or actual juniors we managed to play 5 most weeks.
So why are people complaining now about the kids costing us games. It is not the kids.There has been plenty of mature players around them most weeks.
McAuliffe, Brown, Sonsie, Campbell have been the regulars with the odd cameo,s from others.
We wasted 14 games on Dow a 22yr old in his 5th season. Not a kid in my book. Just one of many who failed to lead from the front and help the kids out.
Graham Short McIntosh it goes on and on yet we are getting beat because we play too many kids. I have never heard a bigger crock of poo in my life.
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You said 25-29 was mature prime .. your words
We have stuff all in that bracket
End of story
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And also 1/3 of our 23 picked that are 22 or younger averaged less than half the games of Carlton’s whom we played on Sunday.
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And also 1/3 of our 23 picked that are 22 or younger averaged less than half the games of Carlton’s whom we played on Sunday.
Yeah , but hey , there was only a year difference and 10 games difference on the totals between us and Carlton
Let’s not be logical HRT
Or let’s not acknowledge the figure is skewed by the likes of Martin, Short, Kmac, Broad etc , who contribute very little week in week out these days
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How many top 20 picks were in the Carlton team. It is not only age and experience but the difference in how many high end draft picks.
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You said 25-29 was mature prime .. your words
We have stuff all in that bracket
End of story
and the ones we do have, he reckons they're all poo anyway