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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 20, 2006, 04:33:07 AM
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Kingsley has quit the Cats while Thorton and Fisher are undecided at Carlton.
Any interest in any of these three from us at Richmond?
Thornton, Fisher at odds with Blues
Stephen Rielly
September 20, 2006
KEY-POSITION Blues Bret Thornton and Brad Fisher are in dispute with Carlton over new deals, with Thornton believed to be the primary target of several clubs who are looking to shore up their defences.
Thornton, in particular, has been a regular senior player almost from the time he stepped into the side in 2002. The 193-centimetre 22-year-old played all 22 games this year as a key back for a total of 91 in five seasons. He finished seventh in the recent best-and-fairest count.
Fisher, also 22, has had his injury concerns but played 13 games this year and his 50th match in round 21.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/19/1158431712598.html
Kingsley quits the Cats
20 September 2006 Herald-Sun
Scott Gullan
KENT Kingsley will play his final game for Geelong on Sunday in the VFL grand final.
The much-maligned forward met Cats chief executive Brian Cook yesterday and informed him he wanted to continue his career elsewhere next year.
While understanding his position on the list was under scrutiny given his horror season, Kingsley said he wanted out of Skilled Stadium regardless of what came from the club's wide-ranging review.
"I figured under whatever circumstances, I didn't want to be there next year," he said. "I just need a change of scenery. I need to re-energise."
Kingsley, who led the Cats' goalkicking for the past four years, said he still did not understand why he had been made the scapegoat for the club's dismal season.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20444039%255E19742,00.html
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have to trade hall for thornton, that has to be high on the tigers agenda
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Youd look at Thornton for sure, havent really thought about what youd offer. In other footy rumours on the net today lol...people are suggesting Tuck & Krak to North in some sort of deal for pick 3. Anyone have any more details on this rumour.
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I reckon Thornton would be desperate to come to Richmond ;)
It would mean he would no longer have to play on Richo :rollin :help :thumbsup
Fisher seems very injury prone and has never really come back from the knee injury (I think it was a reco) he had 3 odd years ago. Also at 22 he still seems as skinny as rake.
Kingsley - I could see the Tigers being interested because he can be a very good 2nd or even 3rd fwd option behind Richo and it would also free up Schulz to go back (if that's still in their thinking). Personally I wouldn't be interested in him but I can see the Tigers having a look.
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Kingsley - I could see the Tigers being interested because he can be a very good 2nd or even 3rd fwd option behind Richo and it would also free up Schulz to go back (if that's still in their thinking). Personally I wouldn't be interested in him but I can see the Tigers having a look.
down here in geelong, the talk is that the tigers and cats have already discussed a deal and kingsley will be a tiger next yr. not sure what to think , if he becomes consistant, he does have the ability to kill sides as he did earlier this yr. who knows maybe a new jumper will bring that consisancy.
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As long as Kingsley doesn't become our Ottens thinking changing clubs is the answer to all his problems. On his day he can kick a bag but other times goes missing.
Fisher is footy smart but as WP says he is injury prone and on top of that seems to have the Fiora's of not being able to bulk up.
Thorton has really improved at FB in recent years. He'd find the job easier too playing in a better team. Defensively he'd be a good pick up given his age and size but my only query is can he play rebound footy. I haven't seen enough of him to judge that part of his game.
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I actually rate Fisher very highly, dont think we need him though as we have players like Brown, Petts who play a similar role down forward.
Kingsley could be ok for a season or two at a cheap price. As stated earlier, he wouldnt be the number 1 forward with Richo, Brown and Petts playing in the same forward line.
Shultz could also be developed as a CHB then.
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Kingsley was ordinary today in the VFL final from the few snippets I saw today. Still just a mark and goal kicker and an ordinary and unreliable one at that. Pass.
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Kingsley is worth a look. Have a look at what Terry did with Patty Bowden this year.
Do believe that poor Kent had a few personal issues to contend with this year down at Skilled Stadium. A new place of employment would do wonders I reckon.
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Kingsley was ordinary today in the VFL final from the few snippets I saw today. Still just a mark and goal kicker and an ordinary and unreliable one at that. Pass.
Actually felt sorry poor old Kent today as he was inflicted with "Richo-i-tis" ......... "I have 4 opponents but no worries boys just kick to me anyway" :banghead Geesh the Cats played dumb footy today (what's new ;D) :whistle
I still think he is worth considering for the right price - I mean a trade like Rodan for Kingsley would have to be a win for us
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That's true WP. Geelong were shocking today.
Terry moved Paddy to a HBF and wing after playing as a forward at the doggies. A masterstroke that turned his career totally around. Unless Kingsley can do likewise and play elsewhere other than FF then IMHO he would just be competing for a spot against younger Tigers like Sarge, Hughes and Limbach.
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Remember the name Mark Graham ?
Might use Kent in as a stop gap for a year. Cleve Hughes and co mighten be ready next year
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Remember the name Mark Graham ?
Might use Kent in as a stop gap for a year. Cleve Hughes and co mighten be ready next year
Remember him well Jack - actually there were a few times this season when we could have done with him.
I can actually see a forward line of Richo, Brown, Pettifer and Kingsley working.
Think you maybe right about the other younger blokes not being ready - 2nd half of 2006 they seemed to run out of puff
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Do believe that poor Kent had a few personal issues to contend with this year down at Skilled Stadium. A new place of employment would do wonders I reckon.
Dont tell me Thommo was cutting Kent's lunch also :shh
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Remember the name Mark Graham ?
Might use Kent in as a stop gap for a year. Cleve Hughes and co mighten be ready next year
Graham was a cheap (pick 60ish and unwanted) stop-gap defender when we needed one with so many youngsters drafted in 2004. We don't need a stop gap FF when our main weaknesses reside in our midfield and lack of key defenders. Kingsley would only be of some use if he comes similarly cheap and Schulz is moved back and tried again at CHB.
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Do believe that poor Kent had a few personal issues to contend with this year down at Skilled Stadium. A new place of employment would do wonders I reckon.
Dont tell me Thommo was cutting Kent's lunch also :shh
:rollin :rollin theres more too iy too shhhhhhhhhh! bit like an episode od B and B or days of our drearies :lol
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Kingsley was ordinary today in the VFL final from the few snippets I saw today. Still just a mark and goal kicker and an ordinary and unreliable one at that. Pass.
kingsley on his day can kill a team, seen him many times beat the bombers defenders easily. also kingsley seems to always play verry well at telstra dome, where we normally play like crap. he has the talent, still undecided if he will be any good 4 us, but the thought of him coming over and becoming a gun player and shoving it up the cats really gets me excited! imagine he did come over and become a consistant good player and bags 9 against his old team !!
time will tell i suppose
getting back to the vfl final, conditions were the worst they have been all yr out there
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kingsley on his day can kill a team, seen him many times beat the bombers defenders easily.
He may be able to kill a team, it's a pity though that his day comes about as often as Santa Claus does each year.
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PLough is a big kingsley fan,
tried to get him 2 years ago as part of the ottens deal.
Luckily this time around, he will be a hell of alot cheaper.
Look for our last pick in the november draft to be, Pick 65 Kent Kingsley Geelong.
This will free up Shultz to defense, and as Jackstar has stated give hughes limbach mcguane more time to develop at coburg.
Will be an Ok pick up if he costs us nothing, otherwise not the type to chase IMHO.
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kingsley on his day can kill a team, seen him many times beat the bombers defenders easily.
He may be able to kill a team, it's a pity though that his day comes about as often as Santa Claus does each year.
always played out of position, and a bit hard to perform week in wek out when funny things are happening at the club if u know what i mean.
he played very well and consistantly in the preseasson and early in the season b4 "funny stuff" started at the club which distracted him. jay schulz hasnt been very conistant either, im not saying get rid of him, but he is too lazy to play up fwd, he plays a cameo role , kicks a couple then goes to sleep. imo, kingsley could do a better job than jay up fwd alongside richo and brown. i am sure if we get kent, terry would coach him far better and get the best out of him, ala pady bowden
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Look for our last pick in the november draft to be, Pick 65 Kent Kingsley Geelong.
This will free up Shultz to defense, and as Jackstar has stated give hughes limbach mcguane more time to develop at coburg.
Will be an Ok pick up if he costs us nothing, otherwise not the type to chase IMHO.
agree 100%
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I could handle us getting Kingsley with our last pick in the national draft esp if its in the 60s or 70s but gee youd be hoping wed do better than Kent Kingsley lol ... if we end up with the same picks and players of the calibre of Kingsley from the trade period then that will be a bad trade period for mine.
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I could handle us getting Kingsley with our last pick in the national draft esp if its in the 60s or 70s but gee youd be hoping wed do better than Kent Kingsley lol ... if we end up with the same picks and players of the calibre of Kingsley from the trade period then that will be a bad trade period for mine.
if say we did get kent , i doubt we would pay much 4 him
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kingsley on his day can kill a team, seen him many times beat the bombers defenders easily.
He may be able to kill a team, it's a pity though that his day comes about as often as Santa Claus does each year.
Agree wayne lol.
He kicked 8 straight against the Roos earlier this year and looked a million bucks then backed it up with none against poor skinny Hack Dawson.
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According to the Age, Thorton wants to go to Hawthorn on a $300k 3-year deal.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/27/1159337221831.html
However the Australian says Carlton is confident of retaining its required players, including Brad Fisher and Bret Thornton, who are both out of contract.
Blues general manager of football operations Grant Williams said he expected the pair, and another 10 uncontracted players, to agree to terms in the near future.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20487155-36035,00.html
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Blues must retain defender: Fevola
Samantha Lane
The Age
October 1, 2006
Fevola has put the onus of retaining the defender squarely on the Blues' administration, rather than on his teammate, who has received an offer for a three-year contract worth around $300,000 a season from Hawthorn.
Carlton has tabled an inferior two-year deal, and is yet to match the offer. Richmond is also understood to have expressed interest in the 22-year-old, who is holidaying in Thailand with teammates but who has privately indicated he is prepared to change colours.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/30/1159337390978.html
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Richmond is also understood to have expressed interest in the 22-year-old, who is holidaying in Thailand with teammates but who has privately indicated he is prepared to change colours.
I can't see us getting him unless Carlton were happy with a direct player swap (Tuck?). The Blues would want at least a first round pick or more in a trade and Thorton wouldn't last until pick 8 in the PSD if the Hawks are after him as well.
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It was reported that Hawthorn were prepared to pay approx $300k per season.
They can have him. He isnt worth that much.
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It was reported that Hawthorn were prepared to pay approx $300k per season.
They can have him. He isnt worth that much.
agree
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It was reported that Hawthorn were prepared to pay approx $300k per season.
They can have him. He isnt worth that much.
I have never rated him as a player, waste of money IMO.
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Greg Denham
The Australian
October 05, 2006
Geelong has not fielded any interest yet from other clubs regarding full-forward Kent Kingsley, who last month walked before being pushed.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20525789-36035,00.html
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My memories of Thornton are always of him being beaten by taller, stronger forwards like Richo and Hall. Pass for me. I don't rate him at all.
Kingsley would be okay if he comes cheap. I think he has more footy left in him than Mark Graham did. He just needs to consistently kick straight. We already have Richo. We have more forward options than Geelong so maybe this may free him up a bit. He does lead well. Not sure about his contesting ability though.
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Thornton wants to stay, say Blues
Jake Niall
The Age
October 6, 2006
CARLTON says uncontracted key defender Bret Thornton, the subject of Hawthorn's attentions, has indicated he wants to remain a Blue.
Carlton chief executive Michael Malouf met Thornton and his management yesterday, with the Blues trying to come to terms with the 22-year-old defender, who has been offered a hefty three year by the Hawks.
Malouf confirmed yesterday's meeting, the first since Thornton began seriously entertaining Hawthorn's offer.
"We met with him," Malouf said. "He's back from his holiday, he had a good holiday. And it was a positive meeting, you know, we're hopeful that he will stay the club. He's a required player at the club and we know he wants to be at the club."
If Thornton is to remain with Carlton, his contract will have to be approved by the club's board, which as a matter of policy must approve of any contract longer than two years.
Carlton's initial offer, as of last week, involved a base of $150,000, with the capacity to earn up to $240,000 in 2007 and $260,000 in the next year.
But Hawthorn has offered a guaranteed $300,000 annually for three years. Richmond also has expressed some interest in Thornton, a young defender, having discarded Andrew Kellaway and with Darren Gaspar nearing the end of his career.
Thornton has played 91 games in five years and finished seventh in the best and fairest this year.
Carlton would want Hawthorn's No. 7 draft pick in the event that the player requested a trade.
In the event that Thornton chose to walk, Carlton could theoretically re-draft with its first choice in the pre-season draft. Thornton, alternatively, could place a high price on his head and nominate for the pre-season draft.
Carlton feels its firm line on contracts has paid off over the past 18 months, given that it managed to keep Lance Whitnall and Matthew Lappin — the latter having sought unsuccessfully a three-year deal last year.
Another young Blue, Jordan Russell, also remains out of contract.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/10/05/1159641462575.html
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Thornton says he wants to be a Hawk
Stephen Rielly
The Age
October 7, 2006
THE substance to Carlton's claim of an imminent youth-led recovery was seriously eroded yesterday when 22-year-old stuff Bret Thornton told the club he wanted to take his career to Hawthorn.
They [Hawthorn] have won Thornton's approval with a concerted chase but a trade still has to be negotiated during next week's exchange period. The Blues, who say they want a first-round pick to consider a deal, will be happy to know that Essendon and Richmond are also circling.
According to McConville [Thorton's manager], though, Thornton wants to play for Hawthorn only and is prepared to go into the pre-season draft if necessary. So certain is he of his decision to leave the Blues that he declined an invitation to meet Pagan, who called his defender yesterday in an attempt to persuade him to reconsider.
"At the moment, they (Carlton) are saying he is still a required player but they are also saying they want a first-round draft selection for him," McConville said. "All I can say is that Bret is steadfast in his decision. He has thought long and hard about this and is certain that he needs to leave."
Hawthorn's player manager, Chris Pelchen, said he was confident of doing a deal with the Blues but not one involving the club's first selection in the national draft, pick six.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/10/06/1159641532028.html
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Not happy that he wants Hawthorn only! I do rate Thornton, he would solve a lot of problems for us. As for the taller, stronger opponents, he is 192cm and 95kg - no lightweight. Richmond should match the Hawks offer! Carlton are dreaming with a first rounder though. I would offer pick 26!
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Welcome aboard OER LC :)
Knobel + pick 26 for Thorton is one I've heard mentioned. The Blues need a ruckman.
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I repeat, this guys is not worth $300k per season.
We cant continue to make the mistakes of paying players too much money.
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I repeat, this guys is not worth $300k per season.
We cant continue to make the mistakes of paying players too much money.
300k is not too much money.
Krak's earning 275k! :banghead
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Thornton is proven at AFL level and can hold down a key position. He is worth every penny!
You can't claim that about either Perry or Polak.
However if he wishes to go to the Hawks, ain't much we can do!
BTW nice to be here MT. Great site you guys have here!
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It doesn't appear money is the issue any longer as Blues have apparently matched the Hawks offer yet he still wants to leave. Remembering that 92.5% of the salary cap must be paid by every AFL club, it seems Thorton was peeed off with the initial offer compared to what some of his Carlton teammates are getting.
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Looks like Sheeds is being a cunny so and so as usual. Going after Thorton to force Hawthorn to pay the maximum of giving up their pick 6 which they don't want to. If the Hawks don't then the bombers get Thorton in the PSD without giving up anything for him.
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Looks like Sheeds is being a cunny so and so as usual. Going after Thorton to force Hawthorn to pay the maximum of giving up their pick 6 which they don't want to. If the Hawks don't then the bombers get Thorton in the PSD without giving up anything for him.
sheedy is as cuning as they come, and he is great at putting perceived doubt(like perceived pressure) into ppls minds
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Keeping Hawthorn in check during trade time is in our interests as well, I would have thought. Lets hope we can screw some decent picks out of clubs tomorrow and the next few days.
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According to SEN, Carlton have told Hawthorn they won't be trading with them in regards to Thorton. SEN reckon that message is for all clubs but if Thorton wants to leave then the Blues won't have a choice otherwise he Thorton can walk ???.
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According to SEN, Carlton have told Hawthorn they won't be trading with them in regards to Thorton. SEN reckon that message is for all clubs but if Thorton wants to leave then the Blues won't have a choice otherwise he Thorton can walk ???.
Thorton's manager just said Thorton still wants to be traded to Hawthorn (only) or he will go into the PSD if no deal is done. Thorton chose the Hawks because they put up an offer to him first.