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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 10, 2006, 02:24:19 AM
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footygoss.com and SEN mentioned Podsiadly is training down at Punt Rd.
Any takers for him?
25 year old full forward. Kicked 70 goals from 18 games and 72 from 20 in the past two seasons in the VFL for Werribee. He was on the Pies list a few years ago so he can't be a mature age rookie.
(http://werribeetigers.footballvic.com.au/_content/article/00112237-thumbnail.jpg)
Strangely he has signed a new 2-year deal with Werribee and they have named him as captain for them in 2007 ???.
http://westernbulldogs.com.au/default.asp?pg=werribee&spg=display&articleid=298120
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I don't know, do they sometimes grab these guys to use in drills with our backmen?
Like he's a big boy and can take a grab, so they'll used Polak and other defenders on him in drills more for our benefit than actually drafting him?
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Err.............. :nope
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo....... :banghead :banghead
Passsssssssssssssssssssssssssss...............
Why ??? ??? :-\
Has been on the roookie lists of Pies & Doggies and with the Doggies lack of talll forwards couldn't get a gig
Did I say NO
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Reminds you of the Birdman Brett Evans WP? Star in the VFL but hopeless at AFL level.
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Reminds you of the Birdman Brett Evans WP? Star in the VFL but hopeless at AFL level.
Not necessarily hopeless MT but just too slow - at VFL level his decision making is excellent, at AFL level (when his played pre-season games) decision making is ordinary IMO
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Age of Regret
The Pulse - Steve Perkin
Herald-Sun
Tuesday, 21 November 2006
Richmond unsuccessfully approached the AFL recently to try to get a rule changed that would have allowed it to pick up Werribee forward James Podsiadly in the rookie draft.
Podsiadly, who kicked 66 goals in 16 games for Werribee last season, is 25 - one year too old for the rookie list.
But clubs are able to rookie-list one over 25 years if he has not previously been on a club's list. Unfortunately for Podsiadly, he was rookie-listed by Collingwood in 2002.
Tigers coach Terry Wallace invited Podsiadly to train with the team and has looked at the possibility of turning him into a mobile defender.
With the AFL not prepared to alter its rules, the Tigers must now decide whether to throw Podsiadly one last life-line via the pre-season draft.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=283856
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Eeeeeecccckkkkk !
This guy as a key defender ...... What the ???
What was Pohack recruited for ?? Back-up, OR to trade out of the forecast best top ten in draft history ??
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Thank you AFL :clapping
Thank you Andy D :clapping
Thak you little incidental Adrian A :clapping
One of the best decisions by the AFL ever :thumbsup :yep :congrats
;D :rollin ;D
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Rookie revamp rejected
Caroline Wilson
The Age
December 7, 2006
THE AFL and its senior coaches have fallen out over the league's refusal to amend the rules relating to the rookie draft next Monday, which John Worsfold and Terry Wallace say will end the careers of at least two footballers.
The AFL Coaches Association has failed in its last-minute bid to make footballers who are over 23 and have previously been on AFL rookie lists or senior lists available for next Monday's rookie draft.
Worsfold and Wallace learned on Monday night that, despite the endorsement of AFL Players' Association chief executive Brendon Gale, their respective bids to draft Brad Smith and James Podsiadly had failed.
"You begin to wonder whether it's worth having a coaches' association," Wallace said last night. "The spirit of the rule change was to allow kids over 23 a second chance at playing footy and giving boys a second chance in life.
"We made no attempt to get this rule through by the back door … West Coast and ourselves went through the official channels with our submissions which we put through, explaining our situations, and we hear back that they have ruled against us. It's very disappointing. James is one boy who will probably never get another chance now at playing AFL …
"I think they just need to be a bit careful with this rule. We are trying to get kids out of soccer and basketball who come into the draft having only played footy for a year or two.
"Physically or mentally they might not be up to it, having only been in the system since they were 16 or 17. But three or four years later they might be ready. The AFL tells us we have the opportunity to put them on our senior lists but that can be difficult in a quality year like this year."
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said: "It was only three weeks ago that we debated and discussed and approved each club having one player over 23 being allowed onto the rookie lists. That was put forward in a bid to try and attract a basketballer or late maturer into the game.
"Then Richmond and West Coast put through their submissions but I don't think it's a good practice to bring in another rule change two or three weeks after the last one."
Podsiadly, 25, has not played a senior AFL game — one criterion Wallace and Worsfold pushed for — but has been on Collingwood and Essendon's rookie lists. The Werribee player said last night that the AFL's decision had been devastating.
"I'll just go back to Werribee now," he said. "Terry has been fantastic in the time I've been training with Richmond and the progress I've made was great. I felt like I could have matched it with the elite. It really doesn't make any sense."
The Eagles, who Demetriou insisted could have placed Smith, 23, on their long-term injury list, wrote to the AFL six months ago pushing the cause of the unlucky player.
Said club CEO Trevor Nisbett: "We were disappointed to learn we had not been successful. John just wants to give players as many opportunities as he can.
"When the (Adam) Ramanauskas situation came up there were extenuating circumstances and John's been extremely strong on the fact there should be allowances for other circumstances."
Said Demetriou: "Brad Smith is a very unlucky footballer but I don't see that we should be changing a rule two weeks after we've already changed it just to suit the circumstances of two clubs. If the situation continues to be a problem in the next few years then we'll look at it again."
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/12/06/1165081020179.html
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I'm not sure whether or not the rule should be altered but AD'S excuse for not doing so seems pretty dumb to me.
If a scenario crops up which had not been considered when implementing changes, I'd be thinking 2 or 3 weeks after those changes but well before the draft when they will impact would be a fair time to make an amendment.
What keeps crossing my mind is that, in view of the Ramanauskas decision (which I think is a good one and in the right spirit), the league are being inconsistent and maybe even prejudicial.
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I've got no problems with the league not changing the rule. It was flagged a while ago what the criteria for "Mature Age" rookies was going to be. The rule was then ratified - end of story IMO.
The Ramanauskas decision is a one-off and correctly was dealt with separately.
A kid like Brad Smith - I feel for him but the rule as it stands again IMO is the right way to go. It was bought in to give blokes who were overlooked previously a chance. If it was to change to what WCE & RFC want then I'd worry that you'd have ex rookies going from club to club on a year by year basis until they turn 25 thereby limiting a 20 y.old a chance to get rookied
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The rule means footballers in these situations need to drafted and not rookie listed. Which is how we got with Tucky. The only problem I have with the rule is that in a strong and deep draft like this year your chances of being drafted if you're a "mature" player playing in a state comp are practically zero.
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I'd take Drew Barnes- in the PSD.
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From The Age:
Adrian Anderson also revealed the league was exploring new ways to allow players to temporarily leave clubs without having to be delisted, as an extension of the new rule enabling clubs to rookie list one untried player over 23.
Richmond and West Coast believe the rule works against mature-age players who have spent time on senior or rookie lists but have not played a senior game, such as Werribee forward James Podsiadly, who has been training with the Tigers, and 27-year-old Eagle Brad Smith, who has had two knee reconstructions.
"The idea generally is if a player needs to take leave from the game for any particular reason — say for a study type situation — at the moment they have to leave their club and go back into the draft," Anderson said.
"We could look at something along those lines as part of either the draft situation or the rookie rule, to provide the ability for a player to come back to his club."
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/12/09/1165081203066.html
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Love how the media leave out the tiny fact that when Richmond were interested in drafting Podsiadly we were prevented from doing so because there was no mature age rookie back then for anyone who had already been on an AFL list previously. They only changed that rule last year ::)
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Simon Atkins, who coached the key forward at Werribee from 2005-2008, was surprised as both Richmond and the Western Bulldogs overlooked him.
"He had maybe five to six weeks' training at both clubs so they got a good look at him . . . he probably should have played a bit earlier," Atkins said.
"I would have thought both clubs were looking for that type of player. I was pretty surprised."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jamespodsiadly-tipped-to-have-sudden-impact-for-geelong/story-e6frf9jf-1225832413169
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Interesting that Geelong took Podsiadly. Wonder if they have reservations of Hawkins really cutting the mustard, or of Mooney losing his impact, especially with Ottens being so injury prone?
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A mate of mine was talking up the idea of taking Podsiadly in the lead-up to the draft,and was really disappointed that we overlooked him.
The one I really wanted though, who I thought could have made an instant impact at full-forward, was Serhat Temel. If for no other reason than I could've said that we had a Temel Tiger on our list. :lol
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Err.............. :nope
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo....... :banghead :banghead
Passsssssssssssssssssssssssssss...............
Why ??? ??? :-\
Has been on the roookie lists of Pies & Doggies and with the Doggies lack of talll forwards couldn't get a gig
Did I say NO
:lol
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real eye for talent :lol
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real eye for talent :lol
not wp fault. can you remember how the rookie draft was used back in 06. well it was rarely used and when it was it was used on a lot of mature hacks.pods could well have been just another one. difference is pods came from a state league and he spent time there improving and dominating. by age 25 he had improverd and deserved another chance.
our trouble was taking blokes who had been at other clubs for awhile and done little.
i suppose you would call pods a late bloomer but he bloomed at 24/25 not when gellong took him at 29.
ive had this debate about taking mature players from state leagues on most sites and all you cop is grief from short sighted people.
like wp in 2006 i too would have been against taking pods. why because all i wanted us to do was 1/ actually use the rookie draft and 2/ use it on some prospective kids.
thing is as you go along you learn. you learn from what we got wrong and what we actually got right.
pods is a great case of trying a state league player who finished high in club votes high in competition votes dominated at the state level yes dominated and against a lot of afl players.
about 1 in 6 highly subjective rookie picks make it one in 6. most of the time you spend the first two yrs trying to fix the problems that prevented them from being drafted in the first place.
yet here you have a player like pods who is tearing apart the very players you decide to rookie and hes ready to go.
some simple criteria with mature age players from state leagues and you will get a player who is better than most rookies you ever take and usually a decent player worth keeping whos better than a lot on the list proper.
what criteria is that. well ive mentioned two among the best players in the league and finishing high in b&fs. must have the physical attributes to play afl along with decent skills.
i ask people to go thru team lists and just look at the number of players who have come thru state leagues its phenomanol. look at our very own steve morris he ticks all the boxes and hes a damn site better player straight of the bat than 2/3 of our list.
every yr these blokes are given a go but every yr more are over looked just waiting for a chance.
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Wasnt Jake King picked up as a rookie in 2006 as a 22yo??
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i dont think Pods would have been any good in any other team other than Geelong, at the stage they were at.. He's struggling a bit this year and his difficiancies are starting to show.. He's a one dimentional forward.. There was a bloke who played for Sandringham called Sautner that was same,,, kicked arse as a full forward but was one dimentional...
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Exactly Bengal he was the perfect fit for Geelong because they could afford to plonk him in the square and considering the way they played whether he was hit or miss it was not going to impact them, yet it wasn't until his second season that he could play outside of the confines of Shell stadium.
It wasn't until the Hawk game mid season last year that he started to have the impact on other grounds other than Shell despite the success the Cats had on field.
At RFC in 2010 he would've struggled and we all would have been bemoaning another selection gone wrong and we would be talking about every RFC coaching tenure making the same mistakes.
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Wasnt Jake King picked up as a rookie in 2006 as a 22yo??
yep king and nahas are both rookies from state leagues.
i dont rate either but we have have got more from both than 90% of all rookies taken or even late nd picks. theres some state leaguers out there who ar infinately better player than many on our list but just over looked yr in yr out.
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Its only been a rcent thing being able to have mature age rookies.. Its just one of those things that happened when the draft came in.. Prior to that players were taken at any age and brought into clubs to win premierships.. Look at Carlton of the 80's.. Its not a new thing recruiting mature players. its been happening since the game started, its just when the draft and more importantly the salary cap have been in clubs have in general gone for younger players and older players already in the system.. Its now changing back to what it has always been..
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i dont think Pods would have been any good in any other team other than Geelong, at the stage they were at.. He's struggling a bit this year and his difficiancies are starting to show.. He's a one dimentional forward.. There was a bloke who played for Sandringham called Sautner that was same,,, kicked behind as a full forward but was one dimentional...
sorry bengal dont want to be derogatory but thats utter crap. he would be a good player at any club because simply put hes a good player.
and your wrong hes may be down a bit on form but hes not struggling.
if he keeps going at the rate hes going he will probably kick around 55 60 goals roughly the same if not more than his previous two yrs. i can tell ya he does a lot of things way better than jack does atm.
i have to laugh how we so undervalue opposition players who have achieved yet fail to apply the same standards to our own who have done nothing.
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i dont think Pods would have been any good in any other team other than Geelong, at the stage they were at.. He's struggling a bit this year and his difficiancies are starting to show.. He's a one dimentional forward.. There was a bloke who played for Sandringham called Sautner that was same,,, kicked behind as a full forward but was one dimentional...
sorry bengal dont want to be derogatory but thats utter crap. he would be a good player at any club because simply put hes a good player.
and your wrong hes may be down a bit on form but hes not struggling.
if he keeps going at the rate hes going he will probably kick around 55 60 goals roughly the same if not more than his previous two yrs. i can tell ya he does a lot of things way better than jack does atm.
i have to laugh how we so undervalue opposition players who have achieved yet fail to apply the same standards to our own who have done nothing.
Your opinion on Pods, not shared, but others are wrong. Nahas and King are not rated by you but are by the club but again you are right and the club and others that believe Nahas and King are good enough (potentially just for now) are wrong. You don't determine wrong or right.
Oh and Griffiths who is now outperforming Black. But the club is wrong.
Your opinion and it is just a rambling, often incoherent opinion is yours and yours alone. And you don't detrmine wrong or right.
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Wasnt Jake King picked up as a rookie in 2006 as a 22yo??
yep king and nahas are both rookies from state leagues.
i dont rate either but we have have got more from both than 90% of all rookies taken or even late nd picks. theres some state leaguers out there who ar infinately better player than many on our list but just over looked yr in yr out.
You don't rate Nahas?
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Nahas is no superstar but he goes ok
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i dont think Pods would have been any good in any other team other than Geelong, at the stage they were at.. He's struggling a bit this year and his difficiancies are starting to show.. He's a one dimentional forward.. There was a bloke who played for Sandringham called Sautner that was same,,, kicked behind as a full forward but was one dimentional...
sorry bengal dont want to be derogatory but thats utter crap. he would be a good player at any club because simply put hes a good player.
and your wrong hes may be down a bit on form but hes not struggling.
if he keeps going at the rate hes going he will probably kick around 55 60 goals roughly the same if not more than his previous two yrs. i can tell ya he does a lot of things way better than jack does atm.
i have to laugh how we so undervalue opposition players who have achieved yet fail to apply the same standards to our own who have done nothing.
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sorry Craw but if u think he's going better than Jack you have not got your head screwed on properly. Jacks ahead of him in nearly every stat and also the stuff that doesnt have stats.
In the same sentence you admit Pod's is down on form then flip and say he's not struggling,, weird
i think you're just one of those people with a narcisstic personality that cannot admit errors and will not accept others veiws