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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: cub on March 20, 2007, 11:16:14 AM
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Breaking news on SEN - Ben Cousins suspended indefinately - hmmmmmm
We'll take him, well I would.
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Any idea why yet? :-\
I seen the "breaking news" thing on TV, but no word on what actually happened yet.
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Press conference at 1.00 - I am sure you wont hear the full story though.
Who spilt the beans, What beans , whadaya know about the beans ;D
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Beans beans good for your heart, the more your eat the more you...
:whistle
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announced on sen via channel 7
press conference tba
cousins suspended indefinatley
apparantley all player were drug tested on the w/e by the club
stay tuned
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Sorry to rain on your parade but go here.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=4585.0
This is no Richmond Rant. ;)
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coke and eccies for sure
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The Eagles are saying he missed training both morning and an afternoon weights session. Not the first time he has missed training.
They said he has "personal issues" over the the past 2-3 weeks that he needs to deal with. They wouldn't elaborate. Not drug related according to the CEO. He was tested the other day. "He just was sitting at home watching tellie" :rollin.
Once again their CEO didn't ask Cousins why he was absent or avoided telling the media :wallywink
The journo questions were amusing ....
"He was rumoured to have dined with leading WA crime figures during the week. Anything to do with that?"
"Is it over he and his girlfriend rumouredly splitting up?"
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you might there is more involved than just drugs and drink ;)
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"we're the eagles we're flying ... DOWN!"
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"we're the eagles we're flying ... DOWN!"
No, they are still flying HIGH
lol
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try again as my thread 4 some reason was deleted
cousins suspended indef
possibly sacked
missed training and various "other" issues
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Nothing's been deleted X - you may find it was moved - this is the wrong section
It's not really a Richmond story so should be in the "View from the Outer" Board
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I merged both threads X :)
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Quote from X: btw, who cares id cousins is in trouble, he is by far the best midfielder and hardest working and hardest running player in the afl
Seems like being the best midfielder and hardest working and hardest running player still can't keep out of trouble.
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Nothing's been deleted X - you may find it was moved - this is the wrong section
It's not really a Richmond story so should be in the "View from the Outer" Board
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sorry wp
my mistake
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Quote from X: btw, who cares id cousins is in trouble, he is by far the best midfielder and hardest working and hardest running player in the afl
Seems like being the best midfielder and hardest working and hardest running player still can't keep out of trouble.
true, but he is still the best midfielder, and if he can get his crud togetehr, will be a cheap pick up and just what our midfiled needs
btw , :-*, just 4 u
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apparantly there is much more to this and other players involved and to be disciplined/suspended/sacked
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Yep allegedly Embley and Chick had a scuffle over Cousins and apparently it's been confirmed by the Eagles on SEN that there was an incident.
From premiers to falling apart in the space of 6 months.
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Cousins banished, West Coast at war
The Age
March 20, 2007
The AFL career of Brownlow medallist Ben Cousins is in jeopardy and West Coast are in crisis after the club slapped its spiritual leader with an indefinite suspension.
The Eagles also later admitted two of Cousins' teammates had fought over their former skipper.
After a succession of misdemeanours spanning years, Cousins was banished indefinitely by the reigning premier after he failed to attend a training session on Monday.
In announcing the suspension, Eagles chairman Dalton Gooding said a number of issues affecting the 28-year-old had come to light in recent weeks, which would need counselling to address.
And the beleaguered Eagles chief later admitted grand final hero Daniel Chick and Norm Smith medallist Andrew Embley had been involved in an altercation over the weekend, with the incident directly related to Cousins.
"I am aware, and there was an altercation between those two players ... over Ben Cousins and a domestic issue," Gooding told SEN radio.
"Certainly (coach) John Worsfold will be working Daniel Chick and Andrew Embley to sort that issue out, and I have enormous confidence in John's ability to do that.
"I think that will resolved fairly quickly."
Gooding refused several times to elaborate on what Cousins' personal issues were, although it is believed the former Eagles skipper has split up with his long-time girlfriend Samantha Druce.
Gooding said Cousins had been one of three Eagles players drug-tested on Monday - despite missing training without explanation.
Chick, who has hosted Cousins at his home, also missed training.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Cousins-banished-West-Coast-at-war/2007/03/20/1174153024747.html
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when was the last pre-season ben cousins went without being in the headlines ?
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you might there is more involved than just drugs and drink ;)
5 other things to be precise Jaclstar...?
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Caro's article.....
One big night too many
Caroline Wilson
March 21, 2007
THE AFL's most invincible party boy yesterday finally fell to earth.
West Coast's Ben Cousins, whose career has been decorated and now damaged by his on and off-field highs, learnt his life at the top had come to an end in a searching conversation with coach John Worsfold.
Cousins, 28, whose substance-abuse problem had become an open secret in the football community, has been suspended by the premiers in an atmosphere of acrimony and finger-pointing that has spread from the players to the club's board and administration.
The official reason for Cousins' ejection was that he twice failed to attend Monday training.
The truth is that the 2005 Brownlow medallist and four-time club champion finally ran out of lives.
In recent weeks, he has broken up with his long-time partner Samantha Druce, a break-up that was not necessarily the catalyst for his latest meltdown, but came as a result of it. So desperate are Cousins' personal problems that his emotional state is dangerously fragile.
Eagles chairman Dalton Gooding at a press conference yesterday stopped short of saying Cousins had had a mental breakdown.
Cousins was drug tested at the club on Monday and told of his punishment by a devastated Worsfold and the club's football lieutenant Steve Woodhouse.
The news did not come as a surprise to Cousins, who seemed to expect it.
Although he was suspended and not sacked, there was a genuine fear among shattered club officials last night that Cousins might never play again. West Coast is reported to have urged him to seek rehabilitation, potentially over an extended period at a facility, a suggestion Cousins' family has been subtly pushing for several months.
There was a suggestion his father Bryan Cousins, once a star player with Geelong, has been disappointed in the club's failure to address the Eagles' cultural problems and issues with illegal drugs.
The issue seems to have precipitated angry altercations between two of Cousins' teammates, Andrew Embley and Daniel Chick, in recent days, acrimony that resulted in Chick storming from the club yesterday after an argument with assistant coach Peter Sumich.
Cousins had briefly moved home with his family, which had become increasingly concerned with his dangerous lifestyle. But he returned to the home he shared with Chick — whose fast lifestyle has also become an issue for the team.
What should have been a happy weekend for the club — most players attended a party thrown by teammate Michael Braun on Saturday and the jumper presentation took place on Sunday — instead turned to scandal when Embley and his wife Rayne accompanied Ms Druce to Cousins' house.
Embley, best-on-ground during last year's premiership victory and who has admitted to being a reformed heavy drinker, clashed with Chick. The fight continued at the club on Monday and spilt over again yesterday.
Tensions have spread through the club following comments made by Mr Gooding on last week's Footy Show in which he admitted a minority of players at the club had a drug problem.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2007/03/20/1174153062993.html
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According to SEN, Cousins will be making a statement by the end of the day.
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Ben Cousins in drug rehab
22 March 2007 Herald-Sun
Mark Robinson and Sam Edmund
FALLEN superstar Ben Cousins is fighting back by starting rehab after months of drug abuse.
Cousins went to a Perth medical clinic with his father on Monday and again yesterday.
And it is believed Cousins is considering flying to Arizona in the next few days to attend a drug and alcohol rehab clinic.
It also emerged yesterday that Eagles coach John Worsfold was warned five years ago that drugs were a problem at the club.
The dangerous amphetamine "ice" was linked to the club yesterday for the first time.
World Anti-Doping Agency director-general David Howman told the Herald Sun that elite players such as Cousins should be named if they were found to have taken drugs.
"Rather than addressing issues they confront as a result of testing, the AFL have this three strikes and you're out policy," Mr Howman said.
"The thing is it creates a perception that they're trying to hide something."
Full article at: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21425041%255E20322,00.html
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I heard that the club knew about it 9 months ago.
Can Cousins come back? I don't think Justin Charles, injuries aside, ever got back to his full potential. Wayne Carey also wasn't so great after a lengthy wait on the sidelines.
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I heard that the club knew about it 9 months ago.
Can Cousins come back? I don't think Justin Charles, injuries aside, ever got back to his full potential. Wayne Carey also wasn't so great after a lengthy wait on the sidelines.
Probably the only ones who did that I can remember were Ablett and Timmy Watson.
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Makes you wonder how many players from other clubs take drugs ?
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Makes you wonder how many players from other clubs take drugs ?
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well app we know at least 24 do
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Bryan Cousins has confirmed Ben has a "sustance abuse" problem.
Father confirms Cousins' drug problem
The Age
March 22, 2007 - 8:04PM
West Coast star Ben Cousins has a drug problem, his father confirmed on Thursday night.
Bryan Cousins, a former VFL player and father and manager of the suspended Eagle, said his son's problem related to "substance abuse".
West Coast has suspended Cousins indefinitely so he can deal with personal problems, but had not confirmed the former captain had a drug problem.
Bryan Cousins read a prepared statement out on Network Ten in Perth.
"I am making this statement today not on behalf of Ben, but as a father on behalf of his son," he said.
"We are working closely with Ben and I have been with him today and he has told me in due course he will make his own statement.
"Ben's problem relates to substance abuse and he faces a great challenge.
"Our family understands that this is a problem faced by so many other Australian families.
"We are also aware that there is no simple answer to the problem and in the process of overcoming it, there are going to be obstacles and hurdles, some of which we may stumble at.
Full article at: http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Father-confirms-Cousins-drug-problem/2007/03/22/1174153250980.html
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Worsfold was fairly frank for a coach tonight. Admitting players had lied to him including Cousins.
Funny stuff about Embley and Chick "forgetting" about gloves, headgear and a boxing ring ;D.
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Great interview. Hardly left any room for the media to speculate on what is going on and nipped it in the bud. Maybe their President should watch Worsfold and see how honesty and not keeping fans in the dark is the way to go.
Means Ben can get on now with getting the help he needs and hopefully not have his private life smeared over every paper in the land (although won't hold my breath on that), and message boards, for that matter.
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For those who DONT buy the Sunday Age, you should get your hands on a copy this weekend, mail is they will expose other drug users ;)Should be a good read
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The ABC have linked Daniel Kerr and Aaron Edwards in their own drug scandal via audio tapes.....
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Kerr implicated in drug scandal
abc.net.au
West Coast midfielder Daniel Kerr has become the second high-profile Eagles player this week to be implicated in dealings with illicit drugs, after Ben Cousins' father Bryan last night publicly admitted his son had a substance abuse problem.
Kerr is one of three sportsmen whose conversations with convicted drug dealer Shane Waters were recorded by police phone taps nearly four years ago.
A police operation called Remuda tapped the phone calls of drug trafficker Waters.
Among the hundreds of hours of tapes, police heard the voices of Kerr, former Eagles and current Kangaroos player Aaron Edwards, and basketballer James Harvey.
The tapes, obtained by the ABC, suggest Kerr had bought Ketamine, a powerful horse sedative also referred to as 'Special K', from the dealer the night after an away game in August 2003.
Kerr was recorded discussing his use of the drug which he said turned everything "weird" and made him forget where he was.
"I'm just recovering, I just feel good today, I was struggling the other day, it turned all pear-shaped, swear to God, couldn't even sleep it was that bad," Kerr was recorded as saying.
Cousins is referred to in the phone taps but is not heard speaking directly to the dealer.
Harvey is heard talking about abusing ecstasy.
"One flipper every hour on the hour for 10 hours," Harvey said.
http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200703/s1880292.htm
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Here's the audio
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200703/r133407_446852.asx (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200703/r133407_446852.asx)
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Worsfold: "Have you been using the horse sedative Ketamine Daniel?"
Kerr: "Neigh" ;D
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Cousins, in denial, refuses help for addiction
By Caroline Wilson
March 27, 2007
FALLEN West Coast champion Ben Cousins remains in denial over his drug addiction and has refused several attempts by his family and his club to convince him to check into a rehabilitation centre.
The 28-year-old, who has been suspended indefinitely by the Eagles, has continued to behave erratically and also has resisted attempts by the club to make a public statement about the severity of his health crisis.
Although the Eagles hierarchy has made it clear to Cousins that he will not be allowed back to the club until he fully accepts his addiction to the methamphetamine "ice", and seeks rehabilitation, the 2005 Brownlow medallist as recently as the weekend remained determined he could beat his drug problem without full-time medical and psychiatric help.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2007/03/26/1174761378934.html
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Is that Cousins interview on tonight on that new footy show?
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there's a show starting at 10.30 i think on ch 9
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Read on BF main board that Healy on the couch tonight said Cousins could be playing in 6 weeks while 6PR says he could be back in Oz in 10 days time.
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On the Couch reported that he will be back in Australia in ten days and they will be having extensive negotiations with WC with a view for him to play in 6-7 wks.
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A member of society is taped by police having a conversation to a reputed drug dealer,
about buying a quantity of drugs to both use and distribute amongst his,"friends" but for the sake of this topic we will refer to them as clients.
He is from this point in a point of survey for WA police and drug squad respectively.
The player concerned,then is caught by his wife having an orgy with 4 chicks(which i aint hating him for) and all high as kites
on drugs supplied by the player in question.
To save face,instead of standing up like a man and copping his whack,HE somehow manages to elude public scrutiny
over a matter that would see you or I spending at least a brief stint behind bars or at least in police custody,
by having his Daddy take him to a rehabilitation clinic in Hollywood.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE???
Meanwhile,the stupid general public sits back and expects him to apear back on the playing list with no further discipline.
Because he's "done rehab ",we as a society are conditioned to delude ourselves into believing that all should be forgiven.
Let me tell u.
He ain't addicted to jack poo,merely escaping out of another side door by saying so.
The guy is as fit as a horse.
His weakness is only his inability to say no.
I wanna see this little monkey cop his wrap.
I want to see coverage of the trial that should occur when he is charged by police with the merit of the recorded fone calls.
I wanna see tghe AFL say,"sorry mate - u fukced up! - Bye !"
I wanna see the AFL penalise WC for failing to abide by the rules and regulations that 15 other clubs must,
mainly presenting a playing list on match day that has no players using performance enhancing drugs and that is exactly what cocaine,speed,Ice all are.
SURELY THESE FACTS CANNOT BE IGNORED.
SURELY HE WONT PLAY AGAIN!
What about Justin Charles ????????????
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Yeah good point. And with Charles it wasn't recreational drugs.
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Yeah good point. And with Charles it wasn't recreational drugs.
That's the problem. Players taking steroids are rightly punished while those taking illicit drugs are treated in a ho-him fashion by authorities in pro sport. Both should have the book thrown at them.
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BUMP!!!
DISCUSS THIS LITTLE BASTARD PLEASE.
HOW DOES HE GET AWAY WITH ALL THAT ONLY TO RETURN TO AUSTRALIA,OPENED ARMED??
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MT,He's broken the law.
He should go to trial.
Police have taped conversations of him talking about selling drugs.
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it's bull schit.
He's coming back this weekend 'cos there was no addiction.
He was a drug dealer,not an addict.
And now he's going to play AFL agian just like nothing happened.
stuff HIM.
I'll take him down myself,even if i have to write 1000 letters.
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A member of society is taped by police having a conversation to a reputed drug dealer,
about buying a quantity of drugs to both use and distribute amongst his,"friends" but for the sake of this topic we will refer to them as clients.
He is from this point in a point of survey for WA police and drug squad respectively.
The player concerned,then is caught by his wife having an orgy with 4 chicks(which i aint hating him for) and all high as kites
on drugs supplied by the player in question.
To save face,instead of standing up like a man and copping his whack,HE somehow manages to elude public scrutiny
over a matter that would see you or I spending at least a brief stint behind bars or at least in police custody,
by having his Daddy take him to a rehabilitation clinic in Hollywood.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE???
Meanwhile,the stupid general public sits back and expects him to apear back on the playing list with no further discipline.
Because he's "done rehab ",we as a society are conditioned to delude ourselves into believing that all should be forgiven.
Let me tell u.
He ain't addicted to jack poo,merely escaping out of another side door by saying so.
The guy is as fit as a horse.
His weakness is only his inability to say no.
I wanna see this little monkey cop his wrap.
I want to see coverage of the trial that should occur when he is charged by police with the merit of the recorded fone calls.
I wanna see tghe AFL say,"sorry mate - u stuffed up! - Bye !"
I wanna see the AFL penalise WC for failing to abide by the rules and regulations that 15 other clubs must,
mainly presenting a playing list on match day that has no players using performance enhancing drugs and that is exactly what cocaine,speed,Ice all are.
SURELY THESE FACTS CANNOT BE IGNORED.
SURELY HE WONT PLAY AGAIN!
What about Justin Charles ????????????
Great post, Ox. Don't like bagging players when I don't know the facts, but there seems a lot of stuff going on that's a bit on the nose.
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Allegedly (for the site's sake) :shh. Actually I thought that was allegedly another shorter midfielder who was caught on tape but doesn't matter who it was. I agree Ox, it's not right. That's why I said he should have the book thrown at him. If he was a fringe player he would've been sacked or more likely delisted and had to face the law a la that Carlton idiot. As a star player his behaviour is/was tolerated and now not punished. He conveniently ::) hasn't tested positive so the authorities have not only washed their hands of it but the AFL instead gave that club a 75k salary cap space bonus ::). It's not a physical injury like Browny or Cogs nor a mental illness like Nathan Thompson's depression. It was self-inflicted and a choice he made so why does he and his club get special treatment while those suffering due to no fault of their own get nothing. It sux!
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Yes MT...all allegations on this posters behalf are forwarded,"without prejudice."
This is a guy who runs from his car and police,only to leave his wife to deal with the situation.
This is a guy whos Daddy takes him out of the country to a rehab clinic @ a minimum of 2k(US) a day.
I can just see the report from them now."Ben has responded amazingly well to treatment an is now ok to come home" :P
This charmed existence doesn't wear well on the rest of the country.
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Yes MT...all allegations on this posters behalf are forwarded,"without prejudice."
This is a guy who runs from his car and police,only to leave his wife to deal with the situation.
is this cousins tour talking about? if so , i dont think he has ever been married thus has no wife
anyway, on the cousins issue, the afle are not th eonly ones who have been soft on this precious tool, the eagles have. the media has, the police have, the law has!
hope the tool od's and carks it
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Agree with Oxx. Not the first bit of trouble he's had. No wonder Sam gave him the flick. Shouldn't be allowed to play AFL for a minimum 12 months. His stint in rehab didn't last long did it? And why aren't the AFL questioning West Coast regarding the conduct of their players. Seems to be getting worse and worse over there.
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The AFL and Eagles have really punished Cousins. 4 weeks rehab and he's back able to play when just the Eagles say so ::).
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time to take glad lunch bags full of flour to the game and throw them over the fence :shh
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time to take glad lunch bags full of flour to the game and throw them over the fence :shh
Plenty of comments from the crowd on Saturday ;D.
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Problems stemmed from substance use: Cousins
The Age
May 4, 2007 - 4:00PM
West Coast star Ben Cousins has publicly apologised for his stunning fall from grace.
In his first public statement since the club indefinitely suspended him on March 20, the Brownlow Medallist said today he had undergone rehabilitation in the past month including "treatment for a number of personal issues including illness as a result of substance use".
"My treatment is an ongoing process and I have many challenges ahead of me that I need to overcome as part of my recovery to full health," he said.
"I apologise to West Coast, sponsors, the AFL and the community for my actions.
"I am sorry that I have disappointed many people who have supported me in the past."
Cousins added he would fulfil any obligations that the Eagles impose on him so he can play again.
"At the present time, I do not know when I will play again, my priority is to regain my health, my life and my standing," he said.
"As you are aware I have been at an overseas rehabilitation centre for the past month month undergoing treatment for a number of personal issues including illness as a result of substance use," said Cousins.
While he did not go into any great detail about his personal problems today, Cousins' father Bryan admitted last month his son had a substance abuse problem.
On March 29, he went to an exclusive rehabilitation clinic in Malibu, California.
The day before his return to Perth on April 30, the AFL held a meeting with the Eagles hierarchy to discuss a number of issues relating to their players' off-field behaviour, with Cousins foremost on the agenda.
West Coast chairman Dalton Gooding publicly apologised after the meeting.
Cousins, 28, cannot resume his playing career until he gets the all-clear from both the Eagles and the AFL.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/i-dont-know-when-ill-play-again/2007/05/04/1177788378113.html
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AFL warns Cousins to expect regular drug testing
Mark Duffield, Perth | May 15, 2007
The Age
BEN Cousins has been warned that he will be target tested for illicit drugs for the rest of his career and that he could be tested during his drug rehabilitation.
The warning was issued by AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou, who flew to Perth yesterday with AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson and chief medical officer Peter Harcourt for a 90-minute meeting with Cousins. They also met Cousins' father Bryan, Eagles doctor Rod Moore, deputy chairman Mark Barnaba and coach John Worsfold.
They expect to meet with Cousins at least once more before he is cleared to play AFL football again and Demetriou stressed yesterday that a return was a long way off.
"We leave here better informed, particularly now that we have had the chance to talk to Ben Cousins and his father and also get a a briefing from the club doctor," he said. "We found both of those meetings to be very informative. There is a program in place and we are pleased that … it is in line with the program that we discussed.
"What is important here is that there is still a medical issue to deal with and we will be guided by the medical treatment which has obviously got a long way to go. There are more weeks of rehabilitation to come.
"And of course Ben is fully aware and knows full well that the AFL's position is that we have to be satisfied with a series of conditions that he will have to adhere to and also through our medical officer and his assessment before he can play again.
"He is fully aware of what will occur and how he will be target tested as part of this process. What I do know is that he won't be playing for a long time — for several weeks — and we have to now rely on the medical advice that is overseeing his out-patient rehabilitation treatment."
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/cousins-told-expect-regular-testing/2007/05/14/1178995076205.html
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Nice title ;D
Cousins return still on ice
8/06/2007 11:08:25 AM AEST
John Clark
Sportal
http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/afl-news-display/cousins-return-still-on-ice
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Ben's drugs, booze vow
Sunday Herald Sun
Kim Hagdorn and Jackie Epstein
June 17, 2007 12:00am
TROUBLED Eagle Ben Cousins has set his sights on 1000 days without alcohol or drug use.
Sources close to the fallen idol say he has set that lofty target and is confident he can reach it.
It comes as Eagles president Dalton Gooding said yesterday the club was hopeful Cousins would return next month and his contract conditions would be determined by the club, not the AFL.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21919633-11088,00.html
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Maybe a bit of Karma. Cousins has done a hammy at training this morning so his comeback has been put on hold a couple more weeks despite getting the AFL clearance to play today .
http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/afl-news-display/cousins-suffers-injury-setback-30448
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I hope he has a bad game and makes an early retirement. Oh no, I'm starting to sound like someone else. :-X