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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: LondonTiger on April 13, 2007, 11:16:03 PM
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Ok, its been a bad three weeks, and I would expect supporters to be upset, But I do get sick of the continual vitriol without any ideas on how to sort out the problems.
Forget the sack the coach and the players routine. That comes at the end of the year. What do we need to do TODAY?
What I have seen and heard so far this season is that we have been a good chance to win in all three of our games, but lack of match fitness and poor mistakes have cost us each game.
We have a shockingly tough run of 8 games based on current form coming up. (6 are against teams in the top Eight)
So what do we need to do?
My thoughts -
- Blood some of the youngsters and give game time to others. King, Edwards, Hartigan, even JON and Hughes.
- Work on our attacking running game. We heard all preseason how we were flying. What has happened to that conditioning?
- Drop poor performers. We cannot keep passengers that are not upto it.
- Stay positive. I think we can turn around our season
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im not saying sack the coach now, at yrs end he should be forced to quit, cos we cant pay him out
then we must get rid off all our senior group
i agree we need to play all our kids get miles in their legs
but not hartigan he is a tool and cant play, he is another turnover king
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We need to set targets for the playing group to achieve.
KPI's if you like for the team things.
If you dont cut the mustard, back to Coburg.
Make them play for the jumper and bleed for each other.
I want Wallace to come out and spray them publicly. Tell us that is isnt acceptable and that heads will roll.
Show us that you are hurting Wallace.
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GENERATION NEXT?????????????
sorry but looks like this generation is the same as the rest!
we have such raw talent in players like lids, bling, howat ect.
but there looking up to guys who are jaded and soft!
i agree play all the young ones START COMPLETLY OVER!!!!!!
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The way sarge is playing now id like to see Richo moved out of the fwd line. This may be a laugh to some but id like him and J.Bowden changed over, Bowden reads the play well and is a nice kick for goal and Richo could fill that bigman down back that we need.
Also Lids moved up forward, he has shown in the past he has the skill and pace to play there so why is he sitting HBF?
Thursfield must almost be ready to come back and would IMO be better for us than Gasper he may not be consistant yet but i think he only needs some games under his belt.
Johnson needs to be setup in the HFF area and left there, He isnt a midfeilder but he does have some smarts going into the 50.
Tiv is doing ok so far on the wing and Polak should take the other. with Foley, Howlet,Tambling etc running through the middle.
London and X both have it right, we have nothing to loose so lets get some of the kids (King, Edwards, Hughes, Casserley) in for some game time.
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Mark Graham was sitting behind me watching the boys train and the boys were having really difficult shots at goal and even he said only one man can kick that, Brett Deledio. And he did.
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The way sarge is playing now id like to see Richo moved out of the fwd line. This may be a laugh to some but id like him and J.Bowden changed over, Bowden reads the play well and is a nice kick for goal and Richo could fill that bigman down back that we need.
Also Lids moved up forward, he has shown in the past he has the skill and pace to play there so why is he sitting HBF?
Thursfield must almost be ready to come back and would IMO be better for us than Gasper he may not be consistant yet but i think he only needs some games under his belt.
Johnson needs to be setup in the HFF area and left there, He isnt a midfeilder but he does have some smarts going into the 50.
Tiv is doing ok so far on the wing and Polak should take the other. with Foley, Howlet,Tambling etc running through the middle.
London and X both have it right, we have nothing to loose so lets get some of the kids (King, Edwards, Hughes, Casserley) in for some game time.
agree with some thinmgs
joel should maybe go chf
richo has shocking foot skills and sh it for brains to play in defence
lids must go in teh midfield and stay there
sugar should be dropped or play off half back as he did 4 adelaide
richo should play off the bench or in the ruck
ffs he is the same height as snake, so why cant he become a ruckman, if that does not work, retire him cos his only other option is to plonk himself in teh squre and not move but he would not be able to contain himself
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We need to set targets for the playing group to achieve.
KPI's if you like for the team things.
If you dont cut the mustard, back to Coburg.
Make them play for the jumper and bleed for each other.
I want Wallace to come out and spray them publicly. Tell us that is isnt acceptable and that heads will roll.
Show us that you are hurting Wallace.
Absolutely agree with this.
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Good suggestions LT and Bully. Mine's pretty along the same lines.
1) Show a united front as a team. Wallace must take his share of the blame for last night; not just point at the players. Both were too slow to react to changes in momentum in the matches. He must make alterations to his gameplan. It's too inefficient and isn't working as it stands. We aren't getting our hands on the footy and we struggle to score over the whole 4 quarters.
2) Drop poor performers especially those who seem disinterested is putting their body of the line for the team. Show that poor "efforts" at contests won't be tolerated. Petts has the talent but was one of the main culprits last night hence why he got dragged. Paddy got dropped for the same reason so the precident is there for Wallace. We need to harden up especially mentally.
3) Promote young guys who have consistently put up their hand at Coburg. Edwards should have played last night. For crying out loud idiot kicked 2 goals weighing just 60kgs. Our current crop of senior players aren't up to it so we need to get games into the cubs.
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Where do we need to improve, where do you start ?
Very briefing, I will have a shot.
1/game plan stinks. Continually go wide and dont use the corridor.
2/need a proper captain who is a leader, big mistake in what has happened in that area.
3/ Forward structure is a disgrace. Schultz should never be going for the same ball as Richo. It Schultz brain dead.? Time and time again they both went for the same ball. Schultz should be running in the oppposite direction and to suck his man out of the contest, instead poor Richo has the third man up against him all the time. This is real basic stuff and they cant get it right. ALL FORWARDS NEED TO SPREAD.
4/ Please someone get Richo and get him back into his kicking routine, last night was a disgrace. If we have skills coaches, they must be currently on annual leave.
5/ Polak. Plays the game like Jane. Had one kick for the entire game last nite. Gee we were only playing Collingwood
6/ Tivendale, he is actually playing ok but the message that should be given to him is to play in the 50 metre square and dont go chasing kicks around the boundary.
As a team we need to be ""straightened up"" and therfore you need to play your ball carriers down the middle, not runing around the boundary line all game.( ala Marc Murphy from carlton doesnt chase kicks wide)
7/ If the game is slipping away, make moves that are unpredictable.
Last night early in the third quarter, Bowden should of been pushed forward- Schultz on Roccs or something like that ?
I could go on and on but whats the point.? People say that i sour grapes , the only thing that is sour is the RFC I am afraid to say.
We have no player depth, our recruits arent up to it( Now where is Kent K ?) and we are poorly coached I what I have seen so far this year.
We are currently headed in the wrong direction, if you think different, thats fine by me, everyone is entitled to there opinion although you wont be finding much enjoyment in the sport that you love
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Where do we need to improve, where do you start ?
Very briefing, I will have a shot.
1/game plan stinks. Continually go wide and dont use the corridor.
2/need a proper captain who is a leader, big mistake in what has happened in that area.
3/ Forward structure is a disgrace. Schultz should never be going for the same ball as Richo. It Schultz brain dead.? Time and time again they both went for the same ball. Schultz should be running in the oppposite direction and to suck his man out of the contest, instead poor Richo has the third man up against him all the time. This is real basic stuff and they cant get it right. ALL FORWARDS NEED TO SPREAD.
4/ Please someone get Richo and get him back into his kicking routine, last night was a disgrace. If we have skills coaches, they must be currently on annual leave.
5/ Polak. Plays the game like Jane. Had one kick for the entire game last nite. Gee we were only playing Collingwood
6/ Tivendale, he is actually playing ok but the message that should be given to him is to play in the 50 metre square and dont go chasing kicks around the boundary.
As a team we need to be ""straightened up"" and therfore you need to play your ball carriers down the middle, not runing around the boundary line all game.( ala Marc Murphy from carlton doesnt chase kicks wide)
7/ If the game is slipping away, make moves that are unpredictable.
Last night early in the third quarter, Bowden should of been pushed forward- Schultz on Roccs or something like that ?
I could go on and on but whats the point.? People say that i sour grapes , the only thing that is sour is the RFC I am afraid to say.
We have no player depth, our recruits arent up to it( Now where is Kent K ?) and we are poorly coached I what I have seen so far this year.
We are currently headed in the wrong direction, if you think different, thats fine by me, everyone is entitled to there opinion although you wont be finding much enjoyment in the sport that you love
jack u are correct and what makes me sick is that we have seen and heard this all over again
history always repeats at richmond, nothing changes from our cycle
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
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Where do we need to improve, where do you start ?
Very briefing, I will have a shot.
1/game plan stinks. Continually go wide and dont use the corridor.
2/need a proper captain who is a leader, big mistake in what has happened in that area.
3/ Forward structure is a disgrace. Schultz should never be going for the same ball as Richo. It Schultz brain dead.? Time and time again they both went for the same ball. Schultz should be running in the oppposite direction and to suck his man out of the contest, instead poor Richo has the third man up against him all the time. This is real basic stuff and they cant get it right. ALL FORWARDS NEED TO SPREAD.
4/ Please someone get Richo and get him back into his kicking routine, last night was a disgrace. If we have skills coaches, they must be currently on annual leave.
5/ Polak. Plays the game like Jane. Had one kick for the entire game last nite. Gee we were only playing Collingwood
6/ Tivendale, he is actually playing ok but the message that should be given to him is to play in the 50 metre square and dont go chasing kicks around the boundary.
As a team we need to be ""straightened up"" and therfore you need to play your ball carriers down the middle, not runing around the boundary line all game.( ala Marc Murphy from carlton doesnt chase kicks wide)
7/ If the game is slipping away, make moves that are unpredictable.
Last night early in the third quarter, Bowden should of been pushed forward- Schultz on Roccs or something like that ?
I could go on and on but whats the point.? People say that i sour grapes , the only thing that is sour is the RFC I am afraid to say.
We have no player depth, our recruits arent up to it( Now where is Kent K ?) and we are poorly coached I what I have seen so far this year.
We are currently headed in the wrong direction, if you think different, thats fine by me, everyone is entitled to there opinion although you wont be finding much enjoyment in the sport that you love
jack u are correct and what makes me sick is that we have seen and heard this all over again
history always repeats at richmond, nothing changes from our cycle
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
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You forgot one thing, X - our supporters turn on our club because they have no balls to tough it out and hence becomes a vicious circle.
What Jack says are all good comments about how we're playing - just wish he would keep his personal ambitions out of the equation ::)
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Nothing to do with personal ambitions or whatever.have moved on and are very happy where I am. ;)
Just my view I what I have seeen the past few weeks. Might add I went and watched the pies last night
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I actually think we are playing some decent football ATM.
Considering that in the last 3 games we have gotten ourselves into winning positions. I am just lamenting our lack of steel and resolve to close out the deal. And I think it is the senior players who really need to step up. In the last couple games, besides Tivs it has pretty much been the younger brigade holding the team together ala Lids, Tambling, Foley, Newman.
What we need to do is put players like Kane and J Bowden on notice to step up and show the kids the way, rather then lead them to the mentality that close enough is good enough.
Bleeding some youngsters would be another thing we should do. Edwards looks harder at the ball than most of the players we have in our 22 ATM and he is still only 70 kg :o . Gotta bring back Thirsty as soon as he is ready because he has enthusiasm and doesn't drop his head. Riewoldt (is he injured ???) should also be brought in because he has one thing our team is lacking and that is confidence.
C'mon Tiges, I ain't ready to give up in the season yet :gotigers
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Good on ya bluey - that's the spirit :thumbsup
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Good on ya bluey - that's the spirit :thumbsup
The naivety of a teenager is bliss :thumbsup
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I actually think we are playing some decent football ATM.
Considering that in the last 3 games we have gotten ourselves into winning positions. I am just lamenting our lack of steel and resolve to close out the deal. And I think it is the senior players who really need to step up. In the last couple games, besides Tivs it has pretty much been the younger brigade holding the team together ala Lids, Tambling, Foley, Newman.
What we need to do is put players like Kane and J Bowden on notice to step up and show the kids the way, rather then lead them to the mentality that close enough is good enough.
Bleeding some youngsters would be another thing we should do. Edwards looks harder at the ball than most of the players we have in our 22 ATM and he is still only 70 kg :o . Gotta bring back Thirsty as soon as he is ready because he has enthusiasm and doesn't drop his head. Riewoldt (is he injured ???) should also be brought in because he has one thing our team is lacking and that is confidence.
C'mon Tiges, I ain't ready to give up in the season yet :gotigers
Exactly! :thumbsup
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Where do we need to improve, where do you start ?
Very briefing, I will have a shot.
1/game plan stinks. Continually go wide and dont use the corridor.
2/need a proper captain who is a leader, big mistake in what has happened in that area.
3/ Forward structure is a disgrace. Schultz should never be going for the same ball as Richo. It Schultz brain dead.? Time and time again they both went for the same ball. Schultz should be running in the oppposite direction and to suck his man out of the contest, instead poor Richo has the third man up against him all the time. This is real basic stuff and they cant get it right. ALL FORWARDS NEED TO SPREAD.
4/ Please someone get Richo and get him back into his kicking routine, last night was a disgrace. If we have skills coaches, they must be currently on annual leave.
5/ Polak. Plays the game like Jane. Had one kick for the entire game last nite. Gee we were only playing Collingwood
6/ Tivendale, he is actually playing ok but the message that should be given to him is to play in the 50 metre square and dont go chasing kicks around the boundary.
As a team we need to be ""straightened up"" and therfore you need to play your ball carriers down the middle, not runing around the boundary line all game.( ala Marc Murphy from carlton doesnt chase kicks wide)
7/ If the game is slipping away, make moves that are unpredictable.
Last night early in the third quarter, Bowden should of been pushed forward- Schultz on Roccs or something like that ?
I could go on and on but whats the point.? People say that i sour grapes , the only thing that is sour is the RFC I am afraid to say.
We have no player depth, our recruits arent up to it( Now where is Kent K ?) and we are poorly coached I what I have seen so far this year.
We are currently headed in the wrong direction, if you think different, thats fine by me, everyone is entitled to there opinion although you wont be finding much enjoyment in the sport that you love
jack u are correct and what makes me sick is that we have seen and heard this all over again
history always repeats at richmond, nothing changes from our cycle
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
.......................
You forgot one thing, X - our supporters turn on our club because they have no balls to tough it out and hence becomes a vicious circle.
What Jack says are all good comments about how we're playing - just wish he would keep his personal ambitions out of the equation ::)
im not turning on the club, never have thats y i am stupid enough to buy 10memberships every yr,
what bugs me are ppl at the club who have no idea and believe they have and dont bleed 4 us as we do, eg miller wallace, and all th eex bulldog clan.
i have the balls, i speak my mind, i will keep buying memberships, and buy buying memberships i have the right to get peed off and demand answers .
tery and miller have bluffed us all and are both laughing to the bank while we bleed
nothing has changed at richmond, just 1 clown replacing another
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What do we need to do?
Simple, play good footy for four quarters.
:gotigers
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What do we need to do?
Simple, play good footy for four quarters.
:gotigers
Without a doubt, like I said we have been able to get the deal on the table, just haven't been able to close it. Good analogy isn't it lol :rollin
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What do we need to do?
Simple, play good footy for four quarters.
:gotigers
terrys game plan does not allow us too.
no one can get settled and we have far too many rotations, far too many
once we change our patheti game plan and play blokes in their rightful positions then maybe we can play 4 quarters
our midfield burns up more energy running on and off the bench cos of rotations. as soon as foley blingers etc are running hot they get rested cos of rotations
pathetic coaching. i didnt see swan thomas lockyer been rested ever 10 minutes
wallace take a hike
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3/ Forward structure is a disgrace. Schultz should never be going for the same ball as Richo. It Schultz brain dead.? Time and time again they both went for the same ball. Schultz should be running in the oppposite direction and to suck his man out of the contest, instead poor Richo has the third man up against him all the time. This is real basic stuff and they cant get it right. ALL FORWARDS NEED TO SPREAD.
I thought the Schulz/Richo clash and the subsequent aftermath was all Richo's fault.
Schulzy was coming in from the side and Richo from behind. Richo should have seen him coming. He was the one with vision on the contest, Schulz has not got eyes on the back of his head. He has done this before to any unlucky soul who dares to try and take a mark in 'his' forward 50. He has got no peripheral vision and is selfish, and should be dropped for that I reckon.
If he had vision, and was unselfish, he would've taken presti out of the contest.
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the overall plan is for Richo to be one out in goal square.
he doesnt need opposition players folding back because players such as Schultz and Krak cant follow a SIMPLE BLOODY game plan and push up high ::)
Would have dragged these players last night but they kick a few goals and everyone thinks there heroes, guess what? , we LOST and will continue to lose if what happens last night keeps going
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I want Wallace to come out and spray them publicly. Tell us that is isnt acceptable and that heads will roll.
Yeah I have to say I would like to see that.
You forgot one thing, X - our supporters turn on our club because they have no balls to tough it out and hence becomes a vicious circle.
I agree with that Moi - I know I've just posted on another thread about I am getting to the stage of not caring anymore and at the moment that's how I feel.
But I do agree our supporters have turned on the club over the years and every time we've done that we've ended up in a worse position.
Having said that one of things about this "turning on our own" mean people do care. What do we want? People caring or not caring - another vicious circle perhaps
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Where do we need to improve, where do you start ?
Very briefing, I will have a shot.
1/game plan stinks. Continually go wide and dont use the corridor.
2/need a proper captain who is a leader, big mistake in what has happened in that area.
3/ Forward structure is a disgrace. Schultz should never be going for the same ball as Richo. It Schultz brain dead.? Time and time again they both went for the same ball. Schultz should be running in the oppposite direction and to suck his man out of the contest, instead poor Richo has the third man up against him all the time. This is real basic stuff and they cant get it right. ALL FORWARDS NEED TO SPREAD.
4/ Please someone get Richo and get him back into his kicking routine, last night was a disgrace. If we have skills coaches, they must be currently on annual leave.
5/ Polak. Plays the game like Jane. Had one kick for the entire game last nite. Gee we were only playing Collingwood
6/ Tivendale, he is actually playing ok but the message that should be given to him is to play in the 50 metre square and dont go chasing kicks around the boundary.
As a team we need to be ""straightened up"" and therfore you need to play your ball carriers down the middle, not runing around the boundary line all game.( ala Marc Murphy from carlton doesnt chase kicks wide)
7/ If the game is slipping away, make moves that are unpredictable.
Last night early in the third quarter, Bowden should of been pushed forward- Schultz on Roccs or something like that ?
I could go on and on but whats the point.? People say that i sour grapes , the only thing that is sour is the RFC I am afraid to say.
We have no player depth, our recruits arent up to it( Now where is Kent K ?) and we are poorly coached I what I have seen so far this year.
We are currently headed in the wrong direction, if you think different, thats fine by me, everyone is entitled to there opinion although you wont be finding much enjoyment in the sport that you love
with all due respect jack, no wonder you got the arse
the fact of the matter is richo should stay out of shultzs way, not the other way atround. Shulz has all the tools to be everything richo is not, and that is a effective efficient forward. Even after 700 goals, I reckon we are better off without him in the forward line, if shultz gets it at least he isa better than 70% chance of converting.
If richo had converted his opportunities, we would have won last night, and that is a fact
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the overall plan is for Richo to be one out in goal square.
he doesnt need opposition players folding back because players such as Schultz and Krak cant follow a SIMPLE BLOODY game plan and push up high ::)
Would have dragged these players last night but they kick a few goals and everyone thinks there heroes, guess what? , we LOST and will continue to lose if what happens last night keeps going
Nah got it ar$e about Jacky. Richo is of value to the side now as decoy forward. Schulz is a very clever forward and gets into dangerous positions which Richo never has. Schulz also kicks straight. Wallace has to sit Richo down and get him to lead away from the square or the corridor and instruct his mids to kick to Jay. Classic Richo centrism last night right at the start of the second quarter. We are of course 20 points up and a ball goes to half forward where Krak and Tambling are up against one Magpie. Maxwell sees this and peels off Jay and goes third man up, Jay a la Fev and lloyd drops off the pack and makes space 25 metres out on HIS OWN STRAIGHT IN FRONT. Krakour picks up the loose ball on 50 with no pressure and...........................kicks wide across goal to Richo at 40 in a one on one - absolute madness. Right throughout the game Jay found space and was ignored... and he can kick. If Richo can draw the best defender and take him out of the contest he has done his job. Now if other sides pick up on this and move to cover Jay - Richo can take advantage of this and do his thing -- (but kick straight for a change)
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Nah got it ar$e about Jacky. Richo is of value to the side now as decoy forward. Schulz is a very clever forward and gets into dangerous positions which Richo never has. Schulz also kicks straight. Wallace has to sit Richo down and get him to lead away from the square or the corridor and instruct his mids to kick to Jay. Classic Richo centrism last night right at the start of the second quarter. We are of course 20 points up and a ball goes to half forward where Krak and Tambling are up against one Magpie. Maxwell sees this and peels off Jay and goes third man up, Jay a la Fev and lloyd drops off the pack and makes space 25 metres out on HIS OWN STRAIGHT IN FRONT. Krakour picks up the loose ball on 50 with no pressure and...........................kicks wide across goal to Richo at 40 in a one on one - absolute madness. Right throughout the game Jay found space and was ignored... and he can kick. If Richo can draw the best defender and take him out of the contest he has done his job. Now if other sides pick up on this and move to cover Jay - Richo can take advantage of this and do his thing -- (but kick straight for a change)
IMO, that's the smartest thing said on this forum in a while, lol. :thumbsup
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Learn to attack the game, we can start playing like the Swans when we are good enough and that is a fair way off.
Once again as I mentioned in another thread this ring-a-rosy poo just doesn't cut the mustard with me.
I would rather see us get done by 10 goals attacking the footy and the game 100% of the time we are out there that watch some of what was going on last night.
I know it sounds silly but how about implementing the Junior footy standard have a spine kick long down the guts and have crumbers at the big fellas feet. run run run kick loooong FFS ....
Cannot be any worse than what we are watching at the moment
How many times do guys like Richo and shulz get spoiled and there is no-one in coee of them to crumb, we have the players to do this so where are they.
Ohh and sack Johnson and give the captaincy to someone positive and decisive. :banghead :banghead
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How many times do guys like Richo and shulz get spoiled and there is no-one in coee of them to crumb, we have the players to do this so where are they.
Ding ding ding - give CUB a prize - I am been saying this for yonks - WHERE ARE THE ROVERS? :banghead :banghead
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Where do we need to improve, where do you start ?
Very briefing, I will have a shot.
1/game plan stinks. Continually go wide and dont use the corridor.
2/need a proper captain who is a leader, big mistake in what has happened in that area.
3/ Forward structure is a disgrace. Schultz should never be going for the same ball as Richo. It Schultz brain dead.? Time and time again they both went for the same ball. Schultz should be running in the oppposite direction and to suck his man out of the contest, instead poor Richo has the third man up against him all the time. This is real basic stuff and they cant get it right. ALL FORWARDS NEED TO SPREAD.
4/ Please someone get Richo and get him back into his kicking routine, last night was a disgrace. If we have skills coaches, they must be currently on annual leave.
5/ Polak. Plays the game like Jane. Had one kick for the entire game last nite. Gee we were only playing Collingwood
6/ Tivendale, he is actually playing ok but the message that should be given to him is to play in the 50 metre square and dont go chasing kicks around the boundary.
As a team we need to be ""straightened up"" and therfore you need to play your ball carriers down the middle, not runing around the boundary line all game.( ala Marc Murphy from carlton doesnt chase kicks wide)
7/ If the game is slipping away, make moves that are unpredictable.
Last night early in the third quarter, Bowden should of been pushed forward- Schultz on Roccs or something like that ?
I could go on and on but whats the point.? People say that i sour grapes , the only thing that is sour is the RFC I am afraid to say.
We have no player depth, our recruits arent up to it( Now where is Kent K ?) and we are poorly coached I what I have seen so far this year.
We are currently headed in the wrong direction, if you think different, thats fine by me, everyone is entitled to there opinion although you wont be finding much enjoyment in the sport that you love
jack u are correct and what makes me sick is that we have seen and heard this all over again
history always repeats at richmond, nothing changes from our cycle
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
new coach comes in
we get excited
we start to show something
we recruit like poo
we start playing crap again
we start losing the plot
we become the laughing stock of the afl
.......................
You forgot one thing, X - our supporters turn on our club because they have no balls to tough it out and hence becomes a vicious circle.
What Jack says are all good comments about how we're playing - just wish he would keep his personal ambitions out of the equation ::)
im not turning on the club, never have thats y i am stupid enough to buy 10memberships every yr,
what bugs me are ppl at the club who have no idea and believe they have and dont bleed 4 us as we do, eg miller wallace, and all th eex bulldog clan.
i have the balls, i speak my mind, i will keep buying memberships, and buy buying memberships i have the right to get peed off and demand answers .
tery and miller have bluffed us all and are both laughing to the bank while we bleed
nothing has changed at richmond, just 1 clown replacing another
Didn't have you in mind when I said that, X, but defend yourself if you must.
Everyone has a right to feel peeed off at the moment, and so am I, but there isn't a darn thing you can do about it unless Wallace walks away from a contract and that's not going to happen.
And there is that off chance that things are just out of his control. Do we have the right players? Probably not. Have we recruited well? Only time will tell. Will we go backwards before we get to where we want to be? More probably yes than not. Is Wallace's coaching up to scratch? Probably is, but does he have thick heads receiving his messages? More than likely.
You can get peeed off with the club all you lot like, but you won't help the situation. If everyone demands Wallace's head and turns us into this vicious cycle once again, knowing full well that our players aren't up to it - which most of you have been telling us over the years, but apparently that's Wallace's fault ::) - then say tata now to the Tiges.
Can't see who started this thread about forgetting the negativity, but I :clapping it. So sick of the pain like everyone else, but I don't see too many options available to us at the moment of changing it unless it comes from within, and that includes not only the coach, the players but the supporters as well.
The bloke I sit with told me last week I was nauseatingly positive about everything. If I wasn't, and had an attitude like some of you lot, i'd never go to the footy again.
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Everyone has a right to feel peeed off at the moment, and so am I, but there isn't a darn thing you can do about it unless Wallace walks away from a contract and that's not going to happen.
And there is that off chance that things are just out of his control. Do we have the right players? Probably not. Have we recruited well? Only time will tell. Will we go backwards before we get to where we want to be? More probably yes than not. Is Wallace's coaching up to scratch? Probably is, but does he have thick heads receiving his messages? More than likely.
You can get peeed off with the club all you lot like, but you won't help the situation. If everyone demands Wallace's head and turns us into this vicious cycle once again, knowing full well that our players aren't up to it - which most of you have been telling us over the years, but apparently that's Wallace's fault ::) - then say tata now to the Tiges.
Can't see who started this thread about forgetting the negativity, but I :clapping it. So sick of the pain like everyone else, but I don't see too many options available to us at the moment of changing it unless it comes from within, and that includes not only the coach, the players but the supporters as well.
The bloke I sit with told me last week I was nauseatingly positive about everything. If I wasn't, and had an attitude like some of you lot, i'd never go to the footy again.
Sensational Post Moi !!!!!! :clapping :clapping :clapping :thumbsup
it's an emotional roller-coaster following the Tiges :help
Thanks for the perspective - I for one needed it :cheers
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it's an emotional roller-coaster following the Tiges :help
Thanks for the perspective - I for one needed it :cheers
It ain't fun following them, but it will be oh so rewarding when we finally do come good. And there are no more supporters in this league that deserve success more than we do. I went over to Bigfooty and the usual taunts were being made about us being turncoats. They mistake passion for treachery. With the exception of a few ;) :rollin that just ain't the case :thumbsup
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How many times do guys like Richo and shulz get spoiled and there is no-one in coee of them to crumb, we have the players to do this so where are they.
Ding ding ding - give CUB a prize - I am been saying this for yonks - WHERE ARE THE ROVERS? :banghead :banghead
Yes even a footy bimbo like me can seen that.
Let's face it - Collingwood played better than us. Credit to them. Now get over it and stop behaving like a pack of bad tempered 7 year olds. Sheesh - I thought I'd left this all behind when my son finished touch footy last year. Some of you lot are carrying on just like he did when his team lost. Talk about a bunch of bad sports!!!!
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Where do we need to improve, where do you start ?
Very briefing, I will have a shot.
1/game plan stinks. Continually go wide and dont use the corridor.
Answered this in another thread. Too safe. Too much self-preservation. Too dumb. Lack of faith in your teammates to win a contest if we go longer and more direct.
2/need a proper captain who is a leader, big mistake in what has happened in that area.
Name one consistent matchwinner above 21 years old on our list? Agree it's a major issue Jack but we're really in a holding pattern until it gets handed over to the younger generation.
3/ Forward structure is a disgrace. Schultz should never be going for the same ball as Richo. It Schultz brain dead.? Time and time again they both went for the same ball. Schultz should be running in the oppposite direction and to suck his man out of the contest, instead poor Richo has the third man up against him all the time. This is real basic stuff and they cant get it right. ALL FORWARDS NEED TO SPREAD.
Agree our forwards need to spread but Richo isn't any less guilty of that than the others. The decision making from our onballers and their u-turn movement of the footy except for Lids, Tambo and Foley make it tough for the forwards to find space.
4/ Please someone get Richo and get him back into his kicking routine, last night was a disgrace. If we have skills coaches, they must be currently on annual leave.
He's 32/33 years old. It's too late. LOL @ the last goal he kicked where starting from a set shot he ran to his left to open up the goal face then back to his right to snag one. Richo makes the difficult look easy and the easy mindboggling lol.
5/ Polak. Plays the game like Jane. Had one kick for the entire game last nite. Gee we were only playing Collingwood
True but it was our arguably our cleverest kick for the night lol ;). Why wasn't Polly used in the ruck instead of Patto or switched earlier onto Rocca in the 3rd. Polak spent all summer on Richo in intra-club scratch matches yet he hasn't played as KP defender once yet ???.
6/ Tivendale, he is actually playing ok but the message that should be given to him is to play in the 50 metre square and dont go chasing kicks around the boundary.
As a team we need to be ""straightened up"" and therfore you need to play your ball carriers down the middle, not runing around the boundary line all game.( ala Marc Murphy from carlton doesnt chase kicks wide)
Playing too safe again.
7/ If the game is slipping away, make moves that are unpredictable.
Last night early in the third quarter, Bowden should of been pushed forward- Schultz on Roccs or something like that ?
Don't start me on this one :scream. We were outplayed. As simple as that.
We have no player depth, our recruits arent up to it( Now where is Kent K ?) and we are poorly coached I what I have seen so far this year.
People underestimate how decimated our list was by the end of 2004. Mind you Wallace had a shocker as much as most of the players and there was no excuse for last night.
We are currently headed in the wrong direction, if you think different, thats fine by me, everyone is entitled to there opinion although you wont be finding much enjoyment in the sport that you love
It can be turned around pretty quickly (within 1-2 years) though if the club admits they've made mistakes especially in the past 6 months (training and gameplan especially). Essendon were doing the exact same thing we're doing now last year. As coach you need to be adaptable and change things up. The sad thing is we may need to wait until the end of the season before rectifying them. Will Wallace adapt or do a Spud?
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A lot of people have commented about Richo should be getting out of Sarge's way.
Maybe he should, but when Richo is leading straight up the ground and is about the take an easy chest mark.
The last thing he needs is Sarge barrelling into him.
I agree that Sarge is a great kick for goal and seems to settling in ok.
Maybe he should be our main FF and Richo playing up much higher from around 40m and playing up to the wing. As we all know he can actually deliver the ball inside 50 well, its only when he sees the white sticks that he freezes up.
I know that some people bag Kingsley but if we can get Brown and Kingsley back in the team, it gives up much more options up forward.
The only thing we need to do then is develop some sort of plan so that become less predictable and much more potent up forward. With Richo, Brown, Sarge and KK up forward they are all capable of kicking a bag on their day.
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Totally agree with Jack and Bull in regards to the forward line.
We have always been too predictable one out with Richo, but some of the forward attacking roles yesterday were woeful.
Our game plan (especially into the forward line) is too predictable, and we have to change it.
We have the cattle. Richo one out 40m to 90m out of goal, with Petts (if he gets his head right again) and someone of the ilk of Bowden (either) or Meyer on the other forward stuff. Maybe even Kane Johnson, who was easily in our top three players against Collingwood imo.
Full forward line of Schultz, Brown and Krak roving. Throw Kingsley in as a bit player, and we can change the play with a tall forward line, or even switch to a one out role, with say Brown on his own in the 30m arch.
In regards to the midfield, we also have a decent engine room, but I am wanting Lids, Polo, Edwards, on the ball with Tambling and Raines on the wings.
I would drop Tuck after the effort against Collingwood. Too many errors. Tuck can get better with a spell in the magoos. Tivendale is having a decent year. Yes, i know he makes some bad mistakes, but he does straighten up our flow from the centre to forward line.
Gaspar is on borrowed time, but until Thursfield is back and fit (and does prove himself), he is still a very serviceable backman. Newman unfortunately is a required back line player, but I would suggest playing him rotating with Lids on the ball.
We will bounce back. We are not a bottom four side.
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For the betterment of our football club going forward playing wise we'd be better of finishing last.
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For the betterment of our football club going forward playing wise we'd be better of finishing last.
Don't think ppl would like to hear that just yet, but they're the sad facts of how other teams have improved :banghead
But as a thought.... Judd, Judd, Judd!!!!
Wishful thinking lol
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A lot of people have commented about Richo should be getting out of Sarge's way.
Maybe he should, but when Richo is leading straight up the ground and is about the take an easy chest mark.
The last thing he needs is Sarge barrelling into him.
I agree that Sarge is a great kick for goal and seems to settling in ok.
Maybe he should be our main FF and Richo playing up much higher from around 40m and playing up to the wing. As we all know he can actually deliver the ball inside 50 well, its only when he sees the white sticks that he freezes up.
I know that some people bag Kingsley but if we can get Brown and Kingsley back in the team, it gives up much more options up forward.
The only thing we need to do then is develop some sort of plan so that become less predictable and much more potent up forward. With Richo, Brown, Sarge and KK up forward they are all capable of kicking a bag on their day.
It's no good Richo taking any sort of a mark if he CAN'T KICK STRAIGHT
Put him further up field out of the way.
Maybe then the onballers will have a running shot instead of " KICKING IT TO RICHO'
As for Kingsley & Brown the are as yet unavailable and a quick fix is needed
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The only way for us to improve and add depth is to finish last get the first pick get a 2nd round priority and 2nd round pick and have 3 picks inside 20. If Danny Meyer and Cleve Hughes cant lift and its apparent they want to go home package them up for a pick to either Adelaide or Port although Im reticent to get rid of either coz both players would become very very good players in a good side. And if we do finish last, for the love of god instead of wasting a 1st pick in the psd - use it properly this time and get a star. We wasted this last time and no Im not talking about Judd which I see as an impossibility but theres quite afew other very very big name players out of contract at the moment and are likely to be so at the end of the year.
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The only way for us to improve and add depth is to finish last get the first pick get a 2nd round priority and 2nd round pick and have 3 picks inside 20.
Simply not true.
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And if we do finish last, for the love of god instead of wasting a 1st pick in the psd - use it properly this time and get a star. We wasted this last time ............
2004 Pre-season Draft
1. Rich - Knobel
2. Coll - Caracella
3. Carl - Betts
4. Roos - Picioane
5. Freo - Schofield
6. Ess - Zantuck
7. Port - Ware
8. Rich - Pass
That's it! There aint no more.
I'll take some convincing we wasted our pick. ???
We needed a ruckman. It was out of Knobel or McKee. They both came cheaply.
Caracella (the only available player who remotely resembled a star) left Brisbane because they couldn't fit him in their salary cap. We couldn't even afford a 2nd player in the Rookie Draft, let alone a 2nd in the PSD or being able to pay Caracella's salary.
Blumfield, McKee and Porter were the only other then current players available and all missed out.
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The PSD has been ordinary the past few years. Good players rarely change clubs now and if they do it's during trade week. You're better off keeping a vet included inside your senior list and pick up another rookie instead. Cheaper option and just as likely to find a hidden diamond who just needed time to develop and mature.
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The PSD has been ordinary the past few years. Good players rarely change clubs now and if they do it's during trade week. You're better off keeping a vet included inside your senior list and pick up another rookie instead. Cheaper option and just as likely to find a hidden diamond who just needed time to develop and mature.
2004 wasn't too shabby - Nick Stevens -
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Good clubs can get outcomes if you finish last and cant get a player over the line it doesnt say much for any club imho.
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The PSD has been ordinary the past few years. Good players rarely change clubs now and if they do it's during trade week. You're better off keeping a vet included inside your senior list and pick up another rookie instead. Cheaper option and just as likely to find a hidden diamond who just needed time to develop and mature.
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2004 PSD was in December 2003. That's 3-4 years ago. Plus Stevens only went into the PSD because Port was willing to lose him for nothing to send a message to the rest of their players that if you want to go to another club then don't expect us to help you. You're off to the reigning wooden spooner instead. Clubs now would rather trade and get good picks in exchange.
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The PSD has been ordinary the past few years. Good players rarely change clubs now and if they do it's during trade week. You're better off keeping a vet included inside your senior list and pick up another rookie instead. Cheaper option and just as likely to find a hidden diamond who just needed time to develop and mature.
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2004 PSD was in December 2003. That's 3-4 years ago. Plus Stevens only went into the PSD because Port was willing to lose him for nothing to send a message to the rest of their players that if you want to go to another club then don't expect us to help you. You're off to the reigning wooden spooner instead. Clubs now would rather trade and get good picks in exchange.
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Mal Michael, Scot Camporeale, and dare I say Dave rodan?
regards
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Mal Michael, Scot Camporeale, and dare I say Dave rodan?
you dare not mjs - he didn't even get to the pre-season draft was taken as the last pick in the National Draft ;D :rollin
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It should be called the Post Season Draft, seeing it's in December the year prior to when the drafted players play for their new club. :-\
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It use to be held in February hence the name before they moved it back to December. Perhaps they should call it now the Past Servicable Draft lol.
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RAD Draft (rarely anyone decent).
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Now I could have come in early on this thread, all charged up with emotion and ready to breathe fire but I have cooled my heels for a couple of days and watched the game several times over and now I feel I am in the right frame of mind to spout a constructive opinion on a very disappointing result.
Problem: The most glaring thing I found with many of our players is that we go into contests and lose our feet. There were several occasions where we outnumbered the opposition only to have our advantage spoilt by a couple of our guys in a 3 on 1 situation going to ground or slipping over, giving the opposition a better than even chance. We appear to be charging at the ball as our sole focus when we should be thinking more about the situation, keeping our feet and trusting a team mate to win the ball and dish off to a player in space. We need to instill the minset of a good snooker player in our entire team. You could probably put this issue down to enthusiasm but I'd prefer to think of it as lack of vision.
Solution: I believe this is a coaching issue which can be overcome with an overhaul in our training and mental approach to how we play the game.
Problem: We seem to be doing the same old, same old hand pass to someone who is under more pressure especially when coming out of our backline. Some of our more experienced players are doing this way too often and not setting an example to our younger players. We need to back ourselves and have the presence of mind to run the lines rather than panic when we hear an opposition player breathing down our neck. Lids is the only one atm who appears to be doing this.
Solution: IMO the casue of this is our play on at all costs game plan. We are playing on too many times when we shouldn't!! I don't feel we are really ready or have the players for a run and gun game plan as nobody appears to know what to do once we play on. If you look at the Swans or the Eagles, more often than not when they play on they tend to have a couple of options in mind. If option one gets snuffed out, a team mate will know this and run into space for an uncontested posession, maybe in a less advantageous position than option one, but you get to maintain posession and build for a forward movement. Patience is the key and we have shown we can play this game well when we beat the crows at the dome. We also need better onfield leadership. I was watching Brett Kirk today direct his players all day like a real general. Kane only does this in short bursts and not very often.
Problem: Richo and our forward line. I agree with many here that Schulz is a better forward option than Richo currently. His goal conversion is very high and he does have a great leap and good hands. He does however, need to make a consistent effort over 4 quarters. If he can do this, he will take over Richo's mantle as our first attacking option. Richo is doing too many negative things currently like bad body language when a player doesn't kick to him and continually turning his back after taking a mark even when he knows he isn't kicking accurately. In my playing days if we ever did this we were dragged and roasted by the coach. Our players seem to stop once Richo takes a mark because 1, they know he probably won't kick it to them even if they are in a better position and 2, if he did try to kick it, they know he is pretty ordinary with his disposal when not on the run. He is also getting into a bad habit of complaining about not getting a free kick whilst the ball is still hot. He seems to be too focused on this new hands in the back rule which the umps seem to have really watered down after the first couple of rounds.
Solution: I believe Richo's days in the forward line should come to an end and move him into defence. We can't afford to have a forward KPP who's goal conversion percentage is so poor. When on his game, his forward defensive pressure is actually very good and he runs hard. This proves he could be a good tall defensive option but his standing start disposal would need to improve greatly. Putting Jay Schulz in the backline would be a huge mistake. If Richo wants to stay in the forward line he needs to drastically improve his goal percentage
and convert "hard done by" into "hard at it!!"
All in all I feel that with an improved game plan to suit our current playing list, a better mindset and a couple of positional changes we could be a far more competitive team.
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Top post tiga :clapping
1) Yep the number of times Tigers lost their feet made me do this -> :banghead.
2) Agree about our players trying to run and carry all the time because they know that's what Plough wants instead of using their brains and realising when and where to play on and when to slow things up and play tempo footy. I also think it has to do with the pressure applied by the opposition and our blokes not being able to handle it or think their way through it as a team. As you say the Eagles and Swans' players usually always have someone free for an easy "out" to get themselves out of trouble even if they need to go sideways and/or backwards. It's also a kick not a handball so there's a mark and stop in play from which they can set up again.
3) Disagree with Richo playing in defence. He gave us enough heart failure when he was down back for just 5 minutes last year or the year before :help. Richo is the volvo driver of footy lol. At times totally oblivious to what's going on around him such is his enthusiasm and wanting to be in the action to help the team. I have a mate who jokes Richo could fit well in that kids gimme that, gimme that, gimme gimme that thing ad.