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Wednesday Debate with Cheryl Critchley
09 May 2007 Herald-Sun
Cheryl Critchley
GIVE us a break, Greg Miller, Cheryl Critchley writes.
I'm an ordinary Richmond member who watched all 120 minutes of Sunday's agony with my eight-year-old daughter.
Unlike so many others, I stayed to the bitter end. Jessica and I just sat there in disbelief.
At halftime, we went to check out the new Telstra Dome passout situation and guess what? It wasn't needed because almost everyone who was going out said they weren't coming back.
What do I say to my kids, Greg, when they witness such a demoralising debacle?
It is getting harder and harder to find excuses. And believe me, I've had to make plenty in the past.
I'm often lightheartedly accused of child abuse for taking my three kids to watch the Tigers.
Now I'm beginning to believe that's not so far off the mark.
All the fans want is a club that's doing its utmost to field its best team every week, and for the players to try their hearts out for the yellow and black.
On Sunday we got neither.
Why are we going for "youth" in Round 6? Aren't you meant to do that near the end of the season when all is lost?
How can we give up so early? Do you want people to turn up to games or not?
As for the players, what message has all this sent them? That they aren't good enough, that's what.
If this rot continues, fewer and fewer fans will make the effort to attend, and I don't blame them.
Darren Gaspar's shoddy departure not only angered many fans but left a hole in our backline bigger than Rex Hunt's mouth.
Why?
And where was Greg Tivendale?
Why drop so many senior players, leaving us completely exposed so early in the season?
Two and a half years into Terry Wallace's five-year coaching contract, we're going backwards.
Yes we have had bad luck with injuries. But that doesn't explain a complete freefall.
I love my club and will continue to attend games.
I just want the players and coaching staff to show that they also love Richmond and what it stands for -- not just their huge pay packets.
I'm sick of being told to be patient by football managers and coaches who come from other clubs and will eventually leave when they get sacked or move on.
Us fans are here for life.
Last time Richmond won the Grand Final I was 14 and in the cheer squad. I'm now 41 with three kids.
We've played in three finals series in the 27 years since 1980, and only one of those since my kids were born. The eldest is eight.
Sunday was enough to tip Tiger fans over the edge. They've been told to be patient for 25 years and they have.
They don't want patronising "heartfelt apologies" from paid employees.
I'm not a footy expert and don't pretend to know how to coach or run an AFL side. I know it's difficult.
But what I do know is that many Richmond fans have had enough of the spin.
Most fans don't want Terry Wallace sacked. That would solve nothing and cost a fortune. Fans just want respect.
You say, Greg, that we have a process in place for sustained success. Isn't that what you said when you arrived as football director back in October 2002?
We aren't demanding a Grand Final in the next two years.
All we want is our team to show some real passion and give us a reason to turn up each week.
Cheryl Critchley is a Herald Sun journalist and a one-eyed Tigers member.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21696979%255E19742,00.html
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Great article :clapping
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miller is a loser
he comes out and says he has selected a great group of young men. what a toss, as if he will come out and admit he totally screwed up!
miller should quit asap, and that press conference was full of lies and spin and how dare sugar say we are not a soft team!!!!! what a joke, sugar walk away too!
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Stick to the social columns, Cheryl
You have no comprehension about football, except for inheriting the usual whining and moaning traits of so many tiger supporters ::)
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i have just had enough of teh bs that comes out of our club, i wont tolerate it anymore, yr in yr out we hear teh same crap lies and spin
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l dont bother reading any Richmond news in the newspapers cause its mostly rubbish l just stuff past Tiger headlines these days its something l opted to do at the start of season
Unless its a good picture like McGuane's great mark its not worth stopping at the page
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Stick to the social columns, Cheryl
You have no comprehension about football, except for inheriting the usual whining and moaning traits of so many tiger supporters ::)
Well written article that sums up what us REAL Richmond supporters think, unlike you who seem to believe our snake oil salesman coach.
We don't need supporters like you.
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i too believe it was a great article
but moi
is entitled to her opinion, even though her opinion may suck at times :lol ;)
just stirring moi,
we all think different are are entitled to that, imagine how boring the world would be if we all thought alike
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Cheryl is a good tiger supporter, I've seen her around the club for a long time.
BUT I would prefer she look at the problems the club is experiencing, weigh up who is wrong if she must or not, but not just go crying just because she had a bad night. We all had a bad night. We're all suffering big time this week, but can't she look beyond the emotion of it, otherwise it just sounds like another whining supporter.
Yes, she is entitled to her opinion and so am I, and this week I'm sick of the incessant moaning. Adding to it when we should be trying to calm down a bit and giving the club a break would be nice. And that's not letting them off the hook. Let them prepare for this week's game - the well-justified criticism though has been done to death IMO.
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i woudl have been happier this week if we had no press conference and either joel, richo or sugar coem out and publicly blast the players like chapman did teh week b4 about geelong, bagged his team, his culture everything about teh joint
then the team closed doen ranks, trained ghard and came out and thumped the bejesus out of us, no press conferences, no circus , just action
richmond are a soap opera. and no one has the balls to come out and really tell us what is going on and what they think
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LMAO at this article.
So in effect this article is saying that us Tiger supporters are OK with honorable losses just as long as we are "competitive". Like the past 5 weeks? So us tiger supporters want the likes of Gaspar and Tivendale out there so it seems that we are competitive? What a load of crap. We haven't been competitive all year and despite what alot of people say we were NO CHANCE of winning any of those games.
I'd rather we completely clean the list out of these underachievers and play kids at the expense of being "competitive". I'd rather get belted than seeing honorable losses because this way we will do something about it rather than merely tread water. Bring on the beltings and take your medicine tiger supporters becasue if you want to just be competitive now then we'll be waiting another 25 years.
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Thanks, Cheryl.
Basically, that article doesn't help the situation at all. Perhaps she got asked by her editor to write it. Either way, her self-indulgence only adds to the problem.
I have no respect for you Cheryl, and you have shown disloyalty, not loyalty. Or, to put it more crudely, shut your moaning trap!
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Greg Miller is wearing to many hats at the Richmond Football Club.
The club needs to appoint people in each of the areas that Marshmallow
is working in and either ease his workload so that he can effectively do what he was recruited to do in the first place. Or pee the cancer off in GMiller and start afresh.
Enough is enough he was on Footy Classified a few weeks back claiming that they had appointed a Premiership Off Field team. Perhaps there are some people there who do have excellent credentials but there may be a few who are just well out of their depth.
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Unfortunately the article is spot on.
People dont like to hear thr truth and thats whats she written.
Why doesnt Terry say at one of his press conferences that he is accountable, I have not heard him say that once.
Hate to tell you this, you are accountable.
This decision from day 1 to make Kane Johnson captain was laughable and its was he who commissioned an ""outside company"" in to measure the leadership qualities in the player group and its was Terry who amde to the decison for Kane to be captain. He is comortable with that decision. HE is the only person in Victoria that is happy with that decision, Kane Johnson is a diagracefull captain.
Felt sorry for Jake King when Scott West was punching into him and Kane ran past and looked the other way.
Richardson should of been captain and thats it, why ? He is leader and plays with PASSION.
Terry biggest problem irrevelant of game plans, is that he CANNOT install passion in this group of players. You want to go and have a look at a club that plays with passion and has a crak, go and have a look at the Kangaroos.
Even there first year players and younger players have embraced THEIR club and play with PASSION. There lies the problem at Punt Road, its gotnothing to do with SPUD or whoever anyone esle he wants to blame. Terry was employed by the club to do this, we are going backwards on what I seen yesterday at the press conference.
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spot on jackstar, and why dosnt terru instill passion , because he still loves the bulldogs.
he instilled passion at teyh doggies, my word he did, had them playing really hard and passionate.
now look at him.
remember iirc, gardiners 1st game, terry had all the doggies rough him up and scare tyhe poo out of him.
terry is only there for the money and thats it, as soon as his 5 ys is up, he goes back to his media roles
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I'm an ordinary Richmond member who watched all 120 minutes of Sunday's agony
Unlike so many others, I stayed to the bitter end.
So am I and so did I but we don't get our own article in a daily newspaper. Only two Tiger supporters left early where I was sitting. Of those who stayed til the end was a 90 year old woman who had attended games since she was six years old. They haven't shouted from the roof tops about what great supporters they are. You want a medal Cheryl :nopity.
Funny how she only writes articles when we are at our lowest (a la supporting the alternative ticket during the 2004 board election).
What do I say to my kids, Greg, when they witness such a demoralising debacle?
"You're lucky you haven't had to put up with this crap for 25 years like I have" ;D
All the fans want is a club that's doing its utmost to field its best team every week, and for the players to try their hearts out for the yellow and black.
No I want to build a premiership side. I'm sick of being brave yet mediocre and finishing mid-ladder.
Why are we going for "youth" in Round 6? Aren't you meant to do that near the end of the season when all is lost?
Why and then deny talented kids games playing duds in front of them as well as denying us the best draft picks finishing ninth. The first 5 rounds showed our senior players aren't up to it. The opposition tag Lids for crying out a loud; not our senior players.
As for the players, what message has all this sent them? That they aren't good enough, that's what.
Yep! Pretty obvious. First thing you've said correct Cheryl.
And where was Greg Tivendale?
Why drop so many senior players, leaving us completely exposed so early in the season?
Because they are holding us back because they aren't good enough.
Two and a half years into Terry Wallace's five-year coaching contract, we're going backwards.
No the past two weeks is actually a step forward. Nothing wrong with facing reality.
Yes we have had bad luck with injuries. But that doesn't explain a complete freefall.
Really! Then explain that to Port and Brisbane last year then Cheryl and they have a premiership core of senior players.
Sunday was enough to tip Tiger fans over the edge. They've been told to be patient for 25 years and they have.
Despite what mistakes Miller and Plough have made it's not their fault we've been crap for 25 years. Hell that's not even Spud's fault.
I'm not a footy expert and don't pretend to know how to coach or run an AFL side. I know it's difficult.
I love my club and will continue to attend games.
Yet you see fit to write an article at the request of your editor to sook ::). Not a single constructive suggestion in the article which the club can use.
Some fans are as soft as our players ::)
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You have no comprehension about football
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You have no comprehension about football
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I do all right, smart arsse! for a girl ::) - :thumbsup
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Great reply MT! :thumbsup :thumbsup :clapping
I bet Cheryl was one of those kids in the back seat of the car on their way to Kryall Castle constantly whingeing and saying "Are we there yet, Are we there yet?? Mum....Tommy keeps hitting me! Turn the aircon up I'm hot" Shut up or we'll make a quick detour to Bacchus Marsh Lion Safari and there you might find out what a hungry Tiger really looks like. :wallywink
Her comments only prove that she has plenty of complaints but no solutions. ::)
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Her comments only prove that she has plenty of complaints but no solutions. ::)
Exactly, but doesn't mind contributing to the hysteria >:(
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I'm an ordinary Richmond member who watched all 120 minutes of Sunday's agony
Unlike so many others, I stayed to the bitter end.
So am I and so did I but we don't get our own article in a daily newspaper. Only two Tiger supporters left early where I was sitting. Of those who stayed til the end was a 90 year old woman who had attended games since she was six years old. They haven't shouted from the roof tops about what great supporters they are. You want a medal Cheryl :nopity.
Funny how she only writes articles when we are at our lowest (a la supporting the alternative ticket during the 2004 board election).
What do I say to my kids, Greg, when they witness such a demoralising debacle?
"You're lucky you haven't had to put up with this crap for 25 years like I have" ;D
All the fans want is a club that's doing its utmost to field its best team every week, and for the players to try their hearts out for the yellow and black.
No I want to build a premiership side. I'm sick of being brave yet mediocre and finishing mid-ladder.
Why are we going for "youth" in Round 6? Aren't you meant to do that near the end of the season when all is lost?
Why and then deny talented kids games playing duds in front of them as well as denying us the best draft picks finishing ninth. The first 5 rounds showed our senior players aren't up to it. The opposition tag Lids for crying out a loud; not our senior players.
As for the players, what message has all this sent them? That they aren't good enough, that's what.
Yep! Pretty obvious. First thing you've said correct Cheryl.
And where was Greg Tivendale?
Why drop so many senior players, leaving us completely exposed so early in the season?
Because they are holding us back because they aren't good enough.
Two and a half years into Terry Wallace's five-year coaching contract, we're going backwards.
No the past two weeks is actually a step forward. Nothing wrong with facing reality.
Yes we have had bad luck with injuries. But that doesn't explain a complete freefall.
Really! Then explain that to Port and Brisbane last year then Cheryl and they have a premiership core of senior players.
Sunday was enough to tip Tiger fans over the edge. They've been told to be patient for 25 years and they have.
Despite what mistakes Miller and Plough have made it's not their fault we've been crap for 25 years. Hell that's not even Spud's fault.
I'm not a footy expert and don't pretend to know how to coach or run an AFL side. I know it's difficult.
I love my club and will continue to attend games.
Yet you see fit to write an article at the request of your editor to sook ::). Not a single constructive suggestion in the article which the club can use.
Some fans are as soft as our players ::)
Great post MT.
I just hope Terry doesn't buckle under pressure and bend down to crying supporters like her and go back to playing the underachievers and topping up in an attempt to be "competitive". It must be all or nothing from this point on. Find talented kids throw them in and see who wants to swim. We have no baby sitters in the form of senior leaders so they're just gonna have to learn quicker than ususal. Foley showed on the weekend that he wants it and has what it takes. Anyone else?
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I felt moved to post this on BF, not sure if anyone can relate but here goes"
"She who must be obeyed couldnt believe I sat in front of Fox and watched the whole thing to the end and took the plethora of post match phone calls that all could really only be answered with a quickfire "get ****ed!" and a hang up. It has further entrenched the belief in my household that Richmond Football Club isnt a sport nor a religion, its an incurable lifelong disease.
I guess she is right because really after all the tragedy, disappointment, post mortems etc I still love this club and I dont give a crap what anyone else thinks! Sounds cheesy but sadly true and in the end is all that matters to me. The others can have 100,00 bandwagoners supporting them but I'd trade that for 10 real Tiger fans standing next to me singing "oh we're from Tigerland" with all their might, cos I know they are diehards and I can count on them just as the club needs right now. If this week has done anything to me its just reinforced, after 40 years of supporting and highs n lows, just how fanatical I am and how bloody loyal the vast majority of people here are. When we finally get there, and we will, Geez we are gonna give people hell! I live for that one day.
Please excuse this sentimental brain fart sorry....sack Wallace..Millers gotta go!"
I dont have an opinion one way or the other on Cheryl because I think this week no one knwo exactly how to react, there is no right way. A shame she chose to vent in the media though, she coulda called me I would have co-vented..lmao
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Two and a half years into Terry Wallace's five-year coaching contract, we're going backwards.
No the past two weeks is actually a step forward. Nothing wrong with facing reality.
Reality is we have good backwards, very fast.
The recruits from the past 3 drafts arent setting the world on fire and can tell you for fact the older players find its extremely difficult to implement game plans.
Might also add if we recruit another player UNDER 6ft I will spew :chuck :chuck
Terry needs to be accountable, he did appoint Kane as captain against others wishes.
Hey lets see whats happens if Kingsley cant get a kick
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LMAO at this article.
So in effect this article is saying that us Tiger supporters are OK with honorable losses just as long as we are "competitive". Like the past 5 weeks? So us tiger supporters want the likes of Gaspar and Tivendale out there so it seems that we are competitive? What a load of crap. We haven't been competitive all year and despite what alot of people say we were NO CHANCE of winning any of those games.
I'd rather we completely clean the list out of these underachievers and play kids at the expense of being "competitive". I'd rather get belted than seeing honorable losses because this way we will do something about it rather than merely tread water. Bring on the beltings and take your medicine tiger supporters becasue if you want to just be competitive now then we'll be waiting another 25 years.
Bravo harry.
Cheryl is a winger pure and simple.
She doesn't speak for me..
What a waste of media space.
Got any solutions Helen instead of just bagging the club's administration that is actually trying to make this club great again? >:(
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Two and a half years into Terry Wallace's five-year coaching contract, we're going backwards.
No the past two weeks is actually a step forward. Nothing wrong with facing reality.
Reality is we have good backwards, very fast.
The recruits from the past 3 drafts arent setting the world on fire and can tell you for fact the older players find its extremely difficult to implement game plans.
Might also add if we recruit another player UNDER 6ft I will spew :chuck :chuck
Terry needs to be accountable, he did appoint Kane as captain against others wishes.
Hey lets see whats happens if Kingsley cant get a kick
That's why we are getting rid of our older players. They fail us far too often and enough is enough. Even at training today they miss an open man and kick it out on the full ::). This year there was always a chance of us going backwards before going forward in future years. We don't have the senior core to support our younger players so they can learn and develop on the periphery like other sides can.
I agree with you Jack about the under 6fters but you can still recruit a couple of them provided they are very special and skillful - a la West Coast:
Braun 175cm
Cousins 179cm
Fletcher 179cm
Kerr 178cm
Wirrpanda 173cm
If they aren't A-grade like the above then you forget about them.
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I just hope Terry doesn't buckle under pressure and bend down to crying supporters like her and go back to playing the underachievers and topping up in an attempt to be "competitive". It must be all or nothing from this point on. Find talented kids throw them in and see who wants to swim. We have no baby sitters in the form of senior leaders so they're just gonna have to learn quicker than ususal. Foley showed on the weekend that he wants it and has what it takes. Anyone else?
Exactly Harry. No turning back now.
:rollin @ tiga and Kryall Castle.
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I agree with her in that I dont want any heartfelt apologies, the back page of the HUN was cringeworthy when it screamed out WE'RE SORRY!(I know it was a beat up by the stupid media, but the msg was still there) I dont want them to bow their heads and ask forgiveness, I just want them to play a decent damn game!!!
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A 4 year old with a crayon stuck up their nose could have written a better article ::)
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I will just get the crayon out and see what my daughter can achieve. She might just be able to draw the forward line structure at Richmond, shouldnt be too hard as crayons are very easy to use
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I will just get the crayon out and see what my daughter can achieve. She might just be able to draw the forward line structure at Richmond, shouldnt be too hard as crayons are very easy to use
i wuill get my daughters to do the same, maybe we can compare notes some day lol
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LMAO at this article.
So in effect this article is saying that us Tiger supporters are OK with honorable losses just as long as we are "competitive". Like the past 5 weeks? So us tiger supporters want the likes of Gaspar and Tivendale out there so it seems that we are competitive? What a load of crap. We haven't been competitive all year and despite what alot of people say we were NO CHANCE of winning any of those games.
I'd rather we completely clean the list out of these underachievers and play kids at the expense of being "competitive". I'd rather get belted than seeing honorable losses because this way we will do something about it rather than merely tread water. Bring on the beltings and take your medicine tiger supporters becasue if you want to just be competitive now then we'll be waiting another 25 years.
I'm with you Harry Husslescok :thumbsup
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Darren Gaspar's shoddy departure not only angered many fans but left a hole in our backline bigger than Rex Hunt's mouth.
Why?
And where was Greg Tivendale?
Why drop so many senior players, leaving us completely exposed so early in the season?
What the ::) :-\
Sorry this article lost me with the above - I mean fair dinkum... what's that McEnroe saying again
All I have read for the last 3 weeks on the this forum and a few others (Y&B & BF) is Tiger fans calling for Gaspar to go, Tivendale to be dropped etc.
It finally happens and now it's the wrong thing. That's not "spot on" that's hyprocrisy
Actually the article lost me at the beginning but the Tivendale line was cringeworthy at best but more like this :chuck :chuck
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Darren Gaspar's shoddy departure not only angered many fans but left a hole in our backline bigger than Rex Hunt's mouth.
Why?
And where was Greg Tivendale?
Why drop so many senior players, leaving us completely exposed so early in the season?
What the ::) :-\
Sorry this article lost me with the above - I mean fair dinkum... what's that McEnroe saying again
All I have read for the last 3 weeks on the this forum and a few others (Y&B & BF) is Tiger fans calling for Gaspar to go, Tivendale to be dropped etc.
It finally happens and now it's the wrong thing. That's not "spot on" that's hyprocrisy
Actually the article lost me at the beginning but the Tivendale line was cringeworthy at best but more like this :chuck :chuck
Yeah I thought the same. Lots of people saying Gas and Tiv should be dropped and Terry should play the kids. One problem with playing the kids is the lack of experience. Expect more big losses if we are going to get rid of the experienced players.
In the G.C. Bulletin on Tuesday one person wrote it "no matter how bad you think your day is, think of me. I support the Qld Reds and Richmond in the AFL". For the uneducated, the Reds lost 92-3 and everyone is calling for coach Eddie Jones' head.
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qld reds and tigers may merge lol
but seriously, u dont see me whinging that tiv was dropped and gas is gone
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Young sides will be up and down. At least once this year they will surprise us with a convincing win as well as some absolute shockers.
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i too believe it was a great article
Unfortunately the article is spot on.
People dont like to hear thr truth and thats whats she written.
but seriously, u dont see me whinging that tiv was dropped and gas is gone
No I certainly don't see you whinging about tiv being dropped - far from it ;D
The point I was trying to make is; X you and a couple of others said it was a good article - however part of the article is critical of Gaspar retiring and Tiv being dropped something numerous people have applauded and been calling for, for weeks - this "good" article flies in the face of those views. Because Cherly in her "wisdom" says it was a the wrong thing to do.
Just think she and others cannot have it both ways ::)