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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 09, 2007, 04:44:27 AM
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From the Age
Michael Gleeson | July 9, 2007
Richmond president Gary March angrily condemned a suggestion during the week that the club was "tanking" to ensure quality picks in this year's draft.
"I don't know if our guys have ever had a better crack than we had (last week) we were beaten by a better side on the day in St Kilda, so how it could be said that this side was tanking over the last couple of weeks (beggars belief)," March said in his pre-match president's address.
"When I look at the way some of our senior players have put their hand up this year … the way they have gone about their football has been a credit to them.
"Our captain, Kane Johnson, has played most of the year with a broken hand, he could have easily missed six to eight rounds but he has continued to play and try to set ourselves up for the second-half of the year.
"Matthew Richardson played and basically didn't miss a game with a fractured eye socket, he put his hand up to play to show leadership to the younger guys.
"A couple of weeks ago we had Chris Newman puncture a lung over in Fremantle. He jumped on a plane nearly against medical advice and played the next week.
"We continually have senior guys putting their hand up and wanting to show some leadership for the younger blokes."
March said these were not the actions of players or a club that was prepared to lie down. He insisted the club would put its strongest team on the field every week and that a win was more important than a possible extra pick at the end of the first round of the national draft.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/tigers-season-gets-worse/2007/07/08/1183833344631.html
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we dont have to tank we are very ordinary already.
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tanking, we sure are, playing defenders who just keep stuffing up like raines and newman means we are tanking
joel had a bad game but he has been pretty good all yr, but newman has no respect for his opponent and raines thinks he has his dads class and skill, but all he has is his name
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tanking, we sure are, playing defenders who just keep stuffing up like raines and newman means we are tanking
joel had a bad game but he has been pretty good all yr, but newman has no respect for his opponent and raines thinks he has his dads class and skill, but all he has is his name
agree Terry Wallace always got on the back of Bowden before he came to the club as a commentator
he said Bowden's style of playing cost the tigers when his man gets the ball & creates or goals himself
Why did Terry Wallace not stop Bowden yesterday from breaking team rules ( benched 1 time ) to tell him everything was going to plan looking good
Tanking
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The players aren't tanking they have got careers at stake.
But there is more than one way to tank a game.
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The players aren't tanking they have got careers at stake.
But there is more than one way to tank a game.
come-on watch the replay & see the half running players it stands out a mile & a half
the match-ups from the start of the game which they cost us Wallace never made the right moves & most of all when the game is in the balance
poo if l can pick it up off a TV his coaching staff & him are idiots
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I can guarantee you all we are not tanking.
Unfortunately.....................
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the way we ran so slow yesterday, seemed like everyone was in jog mode suggests we did tank
no one ran hard like we have the past 6 weeks, only richo did
the big turning point was when lids when off, he was starting to have a real impact on the game.
once he went off it was game over and watching sugar newman and tiv etc just jogging out there and putting no pressure on says to me we are tanking
if we were not tanking surely these players would be dragged dropped and sent to kindom come
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How r we supposed to respect March when he spins sh it like this
"Our captain, Kane Johnson, has played most of the year with a broken hand, he could have easily missed six to eight rounds but he has continued to play and try to set ourselves up for the second-half of the year.
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You can't win with that one Brackets.
You get the coaching staff and management claiming he's playing under duress as he has had or got a broken hand and if he was not in the side due to the broken hand well that would be the line they would be using. Enough is enough in terms of excuses from everybody at the club. Alot of fans are beginning to grow wearisome of the garbage spins we have been receiving.
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I think we're at about 50% on the tank scale at the moment. We're tanking through match-ups and a little through forcing Gaspar out and Polo into surgery. But we're still playing guys like Johnson with a broken hand and Simmonds who is very unfit. When we start dropping those guys for players like Graham, then we'll be in full-on tank mode. Could happen this week too, next 6 games are going to be very tough.
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Not sure why people think the fact we were lazy means we are tanking...
Its par for the course with us..
As for the short backline , maybe.. Though look at bulldogs backline during his time there..
Playing raines on riewoldt is no stranger than playing rohan smith on robran in a prelim final..
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Not sure why people think the fact we were lazy means we are tanking...
Its par for the course with us..
As for the short backline , maybe.. Though look at bulldogs backline during his time there..
Playing raines on riewoldt is no stranger than playing rohan smith on robran in a prelim final..
Coincidence is both are ideas that went pear shaped masterminded by the "thorough and methodical" coaching genius that is TW. It is almost as if Terry is happy to take you up to a point to keep the fire flickering in regards to he still got an aim/ objective to reach as he did with the Dogs in 97/98. It is almost as if Terry is happier finishing closr to a grand final rather than winning one as others will get plaudits as well. Just missing ensures that Terry will get plaudits and talk such as "Terry Wallace did a great job with so and so taking them from where they were to just falling at the last hurdle". As his nemesis Malcolm Blight said post 98 GF
to win one is great
to go back to back is impossible
to win 3 you can't be pulling the strings in this competition.
The way he walked out on the Dogs is evidence of this. Served his purpose blamed the club and moved on to the media where he had a forum all to himself to give his version of events and then when the time was right moved on to the next club after his shameless self promotion on Fox Footy in 2004 and the glut of media frenzy he lapped up whilst going through the process of being interviewed as well as his comments once he got the job.
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The players don't tank as they've got a AFL career to preserve and save. Yep we were simply lazy and undisciplined yesterday. Match-ups are a different matter. Normally coaches changed match-ups that aren't working during a game; not persist and tolerate them for the whole four quarters as a learning process.
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we are definitely not tanking, who tanks from the start of the year ;) :lol
we are just plain crap :banghead
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can tell you that Carlton will get there pick in the draft. so whats the point on tanking
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Why's that? Are Carlton tanking? Do you think we'll win more games than them? Or they won't win anymore games?
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They will get priority pick if they dont win anymore games
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They will get priority pick if they dont win anymore games
Thanks for that profound observation.
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Thanks for that profound observation.
Go and stand in the corner of your own classroom for not paying attention. :D
(He was answering a question asked about Carlton. ;))
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can tell you that Carlton will get there pick in the draft. so whats the point on tanking
Too keep hold of a priority pick ourselves. In a draft that'll go to pick 20-25 we're obviously better off having 3 picks in the top 20 than just 2. Win more than 2 games from now on and we don't get a PP. I just want Carlton to win so they don't get a PP. Whether we finish with pick 1,2 or 3 is irrelevant.
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Thanks for that profound observation.
Go and stand in the corner of your own classroom for not paying attention. :D
(He was answering a question asked about Carlton. ;))
Thanx Fish, glad someone understands here
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Thanks for that profound observation.
Go and stand in the corner of your own classroom for not paying attention. :D
(He was answering a question asked about Carlton. ;))
Thanx Fish, glad someone understands here
You are glad someone understands what?
That you are a complete prat?
That you have no life?
That you state the obvious?
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Thanks for that profound observation.
Go and stand in the corner of your own classroom for not paying attention. :D
(He was answering a question asked about Carlton. ;))
Thanx Fish, glad someone understands here
You are glad someone understands what?
That you are a complete prat?
That you have no life?
That you state the obvious?
This was far too harsh.
My apologies.
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Thanks for that profound observation.
Go and stand in the corner of your own classroom for not paying attention. :D
(He was answering a question asked about Carlton. ;))
Thanx Fish, glad someone understands here
You are glad someone understands what?
That you are a complete prat?
That you have no life?
That you state the obvious?
Ease up there teach
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I believe all this tanking rubbish is exactly that. I just CAN NOT understand why anyone that made it to that level would do that.
It's sorta like the kid who is offered to play in A grade or be captain of the B grade team.
If you have the fire and will to be the best and compete against the best you can, why would you tank ?
That goes from ceo down to the orange boy - hmmm best orange boy - lol
I just think it's all bullyshit ....
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This article (on Carlton) sums it up the tanking talk. Round 22 between Carlton and Melbourne will be interesting.
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Drop priority pick
Herald-Sun
July 11, 2007 12:00am
THE AFL did its best to slice and dice the carrot dangling in front of struggling clubs.
But amid the scraps, a monster has emerged. A vegie on steroids.
The giant carrot is the priority pick, the controversial reward for stuffing up a season.
Carlton is eye-balling it right now. Surely, it is too tempting to pass up.
Under new priority rules, the Blues are assured pick No. 1 in the national draft if they fail to win another game.
If the ladder positions stay the same, they will gleefully take a priority choice before the first round and then enjoy pick No. 4 as well.
The Blues desperately need a ruckman. Standout No. 1 prediction Matthew Kreuzer just happens to be a 199cm gun.
And two picks in the top five would be an opportunity to continue a Hawthorn-like rebuild.
A 0-8 record until the end of the season would ensure the Blues have three prized No. 1 picks on their list: midfielders Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs and maybe Kreuzer.
Throw in another kid at No. 4 to go with other early picks such as Andrew Walker and Josh Kennedy, and suddenly supporters have something to believe in.
Are one or two meaningless wins late in the season worth losing a chance to pick up Kreuzer or someone else at No. 1? No.
Denis Pagan is coaching for his life and will be intent on winning as many as possible, but you couldn't blame those in the Blues' head office for hoping for two months of development and honourable losses.
The fans are on to it, too. Talk to any educated Carlton supporter and they like the idea of picks 1 and 4.
Quite simply, supporters are now saying it's worth the pain. Winning six or seven is a waste of time, they say.
And that is a real shame. A huge problem for the AFL.
Once you have fans barracking against their own side, it stinks.
This year, there's been so much talk about other issues hurting the AFL "brand".
All the debate about "tanking" is just as damaging as the off-field indiscretions. It pulls at the fabric of the competition.
It is time for another serious look at the priority system.
If the Blues get the No. 1 pick this year after finishing above Richmond and Melbourne, good on them.
But they should be the last of the lucky losers. The AFL must scrap all priority picks - before or after the first round.
Yes, there would still be a "reward" for finishing last and taking No. 1 pick, but there would be no more giant carrots.
The AFL took a step in the right direction when it toughened qualification for a priority pick at the start of the first round.
The criterion is simple: If you win four games or fewer in successive years, you are entitled to a prized priority pick before the first round.
Any other team that wins four games or fewer in a single season now has the chance of a priority pick at the end of the first round.
But the Blues are the first side with the chance to grab that big prize since the rule change.
In making it available only after two bad years, it's a matter of taking it while you can. Such chances rarely come around now.
The AFL, unwittingly, has created a massive incentive. Talk about tanking won't go away for weeks.
Imagine the chatter if the Blues still haven't won another game by the time they come up against fellow straggler Melbourne in Round 22.
There's every chance it will be dubbed the match no one wants to win.
That can't be good for the "brand".
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22053679-11088,00.html
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The criterion is simple: If you win four games or fewer in successive years, you are entitled to a prized priority pick before the first round.
Sack the coach and the recruiting manager. Shouldn't be playing at senior level. Drop the club to reserves.
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yeah nar I heard Greg Denham with KB this morning and yeah nar Greg thinks we definitely tanked against the Saints and if we had played them like we played the Kangas we would have won.
yeah nar he's actually getting paid for comments like that.
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yeah nar I heard Greg Denham with KB this morning and yeah nar Greg thinks we definitely tanked against the Saints and if we had played them like we played the Kangas we would have won.
yeah nar he's actually getting paid for comments like that.
I heard Denham as well this morning. What was the bloke smoking when he reckoned we played better against the Roos than against the Saints ???.