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It will take time, says Wallace
11:13 PM Sat 28 July, 2007
richmondfc.com.au
TERRY Wallace has stressed that Richmond’s period of gloom is necessary for the club to move forward following the Tigers’ second-half fadeout against Sydney.
“You have to accept what the scoreboard says,” Wallace said after the 66-point loss.
“I thought we played 70 minutes of pretty sort of admirable footy.
“You come away (and) it’s an 11-goal loss. Where do you sit there? Do you take more out of the last 50 minutes, or do you take more out of the 70 minutes that you did right?”
Coming off three consecutive hidings, and facing three weeks that features clashes with Geelong, Collingwood and West Coast, Wallace once again committed to Richmond’s plan of blooding kids instead of utilising more experienced players.
“We’ve got some very young boys running around in the side,” an upbeat Wallace said.
“It was the stronger bodies come into play, (and) the last 50 minutes was disappointing.”
“We had 12 guys (who had played) under 50 games. We had nine guys who had never played on the SCG prior.
“I know our supporters lose faith in where we’re going and what we’re trying to do. But when you throw that many young boys in there, it’s just going to take time.
“We had one or two choices. We throw in guys who are 26 and 27 but not really taking us anywhere, or we give these young guys a chance.”
And while Richmond faces the possibility of recording just a single victory for the entire 2007 campaign, Wallace sees the final five weeks as an opportunity to identify the players that are good enough to build the next September-capable outfit.
“Most of our goals are around trying to remain competitive. And now we’ve had three weeks in a row where we haven’t been.
We’ve got to make decisions on who’s staying and who’s not staying - who we sort of see as being key players in the future line-up of the club.
“I’m six weeks past the half-way mark of a project that we took on where both myself and the club committed to doing the hard yards, starting all over again and getting some young players into the squad.
“We’ve got plenty of work still to do.”
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=48183
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C'mon Terry - time and patience are running out :banghead
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C'mon Terry - time and patience are running out :banghead
Correct Julz.
Should of got the stronger bodies from Day 1.
Its no secret that Terry wanted to model the team on the Western Bulldogs. Oh Dear.
You should play Kent kingsley Terry ::)
And Terry, you have kept the wrong players and thats your decision.
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C'mon Terry - time and patience are running out :banghead
ditto, really struggling to find positives in the tigers nowadays.
Please let the season be over and done with. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
Hope always returns over the summer break ;) :help
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C'mon Terry - time and patience are running out :banghead
ditto, really struggling to find positives in the tigers nowadays.
Please let the season be over and done with. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
Hope always returns over the summer break ;) :help
The only positive all year is Francis Jackson and his clear supremacy over Greg Miller's recruiting.
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I find myself already writing off guys like Deledio and Tambling, I know they are young and it's probably a little unfair, but i'm just hoping and praying that 2006 drafts kids come in and start giving us something.
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C'mon Terry - time and patience are running out :banghead
ditto, really struggling to find positives in the tigers nowadays.
Please let the season be over and done with. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
Hope always returns over the summer break ;) :help
;D good one bluey
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C'mon Terry - time and patience are running out :banghead
ditto, really struggling to find positives in the tigers nowadays.
Please let the season be over and done with. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
Hope always returns over the summer break ;) :help
;D good one bluey
thanks lol :rollin
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I find myself already writing off guys like Deledio and Tambling, I know they are young and it's probably a little unfair, but i'm just hoping and praying that 2006 drafts kids come in and start giving us something.
the kids are not bad, its the coaching, the development that needs a kick up the ar.s
the senior players should all be told to f off, no matter what their surnames are! all of them bar brown and simmonds. anyone above 25 that is no good and has no room 4 improvement except the 2 players mentioned above should all be told to f off immediately.
all the coaches should be sacked monday morning as soon as geelong thump us.
terry has told us teh same bs week in wek out and what makes things worse, he is making danny look like a good coach, thats how bad terry is.
why waste 2 more yrs, terry cannot steer this ship, he has no idea how to sail!!!
enough is enough, how many yrs in a row must we accept this patience and give us time!
he has been here 3 yrs and we have gone a full loop and are back where we started
terry miller and all the assistant coaches, the fitness staff , all of them, nleave our club alone, and f off!
we love our club, you guys dont!
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Dare I say it, even Spud in 2004 had us winning 4 games. Doesn't look like we will this year. At the start of the year I honestly thought we'd make it to the finals. I don't believe sacking every senior player over 25 is the answer either. We need some experience.
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I find myself already writing off guys like Deledio and Tambling, I know they are young and it's probably a little unfair, but i'm just hoping and praying that 2006 drafts kids come in and start giving us something.
the kids are not bad, its the coaching, the development that needs a kick up the ar.s
the senior players should all be told to f off, no matter what their surnames are! all of them bar brown and simmonds. anyone above 25 that is no good and has no room 4 improvement except the 2 players mentioned above should all be told to f off immediately.
all the coaches should be sacked monday morning as soon as geelong thump us.
terry has told us teh same bs week in wek out and what makes things worse, he is making danny look like a good coach, thats how bad terry is.
why waste 2 more yrs, terry cannot steer this ship, he has no idea how to sail!!!
enough is enough, how many yrs in a row must we accept this patience and give us time!
he has been here 3 yrs and we have gone a full loop and are back where we started
terry miller and all the assistant coaches, the fitness staff , all of them, nleave our club alone, and f off!
we love our club, you guys dont!
Do you seriously think we are back at the end of 2004 ? and that no progress has been made at all ?
You even said yourself that the kids are not bad so there alone the team has improved on the 2004 rabble. Finiancially we are better off and more money spent on recruitment over the last 12 months should be an improvement. So far the 2006 draftees are looking quite good Edwards Riewoldt and Connors have shown enough and more than lost of the previous draftees and Peterson is all the rage now. Collins also has had favourable comments.
If you don't think the club has improved on 2004 why do you bother ??
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I find myself already writing off guys like Deledio and Tambling, I know they are young and it's probably a little unfair, but i'm just hoping and praying that 2006 drafts kids come in and start giving us something.
the kids are not bad, its the coaching, the development that needs a kick up the ar.s
the senior players should all be told to f off, no matter what their surnames are! all of them bar brown and simmonds. anyone above 25 that is no good and has no room 4 improvement except the 2 players mentioned above should all be told to f off immediately.
all the coaches should be sacked monday morning as soon as geelong thump us.
terry has told us teh same bs week in wek out and what makes things worse, he is making danny look like a good coach, thats how bad terry is.
why waste 2 more yrs, terry cannot steer this ship, he has no idea how to sail!!!
enough is enough, how many yrs in a row must we accept this patience and give us time!
he has been here 3 yrs and we have gone a full loop and are back where we started
terry miller and all the assistant coaches, the fitness staff , all of them, nleave our club alone, and f off!
we love our club, you guys dont!
Do you seriously think we are back at the end of 2004 ? and that no progress has been made at all ?
You even said yourself that the kids are not bad so there alone the team has improved on the 2004 rabble. Finiancially we are better off and more money spent on recruitment over the last 12 months should be an improvement. So far the 2006 draftees are looking quite good Edwards Riewoldt and Connors have shown enough and more than lost of the previous draftees and Peterson is all the rage now. Collins also has had favourable comments.
If you don't think the club has improved on 2004 why do you bother ??
i bother cos i love the club!
simple answer to ur questions
we have better kids than ever b4, but as a team/ club we have turned full circle and are worse than 2004
why is this, look where we are 1 win!!!!! the reason why we are back to 2004, is the same as 2004, we have a coach with no idea !!!
a half decent coach would have had us win a few games this yr
we are worse of than ever all thanks to the coach. a good coach and better recruiting we will have this young list up and running, but unfortunately with terry we are going no where
want proof? watch us play!
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Do you seriously think we are back at the end of 2004 ? and that no progress has been made at all ?
You even said yourself that the kids are not bad so there alone the team has improved on the 2004 rabble. Finiancially we are better off and more money spent on recruitment over the last 12 months should be an improvement. So far the 2006 draftees are looking quite good Edwards Riewoldt and Connors have shown enough and more than lost of the previous draftees and Peterson is all the rage now. Collins also has had favourable comments.
If you don't think the club has improved on 2004 why do you bother ??
People at Richmond want instant success. Their patience wears thin after 2 years. Sheeds would eventually cop the same crap once reality replaced mysticism and nostalgia. Some people need to realise the list has to fixed before the team improves and the list will only improve as more $$$ are put into recruiting and development instead of paying out contracted coaches. All this takes years when you are starting from scratch even when you have the dollars. The current Eagles and Cats sides didn't happen overnight. Both took 5 years to become true finals sides. Look at when most of their players were drafted - 1999-2001.
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All this takes years when you are starting from scratch even when you have the dollars. The current Eagles and Cats sides didn't happen overnight. Both took 5 years to become true finals sides. Look at when most of their players were drafted - 1999-2001.
You're right, it'll take years, and still may not see the ultimate success for years, but hopefully when Lids and co. are at 150 games, JoN, Hughes are at 120 and Edwards, Connors have 100 we'll be playing regular finals. At this time, Richo, Bowden, Johnson and others will be gone.
What is the success rate in drafting, we can't expect all draft picks to be star players. Out of the last 3 drafts we may only have 8-10 players that kick on. That is still only just half a team.
We are way off.
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All this takes years when you are starting from scratch even when you have the dollars. The current Eagles and Cats sides didn't happen overnight. Both took 5 years to become true finals sides. Look at when most of their players were drafted - 1999-2001.
You're right, it'll take years, and still may not see the ultimate success for years, but hopefully when Lids and co. are at 150 games, JoN, Hughes are at 120 and Edwards, Connors have 100 we'll be playing regular finals. At this time, Richo, Bowden, Johnson and others will be gone.
What is the success rate in drafting, we can't expect all draft picks to be star players. Out of the last 3 drafts we may only have 8-10 players that kick on. That is still only just half a team.
We are way off.
3 players per draft making it is actually a good result. The problem in the past under Spud and Geisch was that we had one or none make it. Only in the 2000 draft did we do reasonably well - Petts, Cogs (injured), Newy, Hyde and Krak. From 1997-2002 we only still have those five on our list plus Razor (gone), Schulz and Tivs. Just 8 players from 6 drafts which should have formed our core now.
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Darn better than Sheeds' successs???
Why he got the boot!
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People at Richmond want instant success. Their patience wears thin after 2 years. Sheeds would eventually cop the same crap once reality replaced mysticism and nostalgia. Some people need to realise the list has to fixed before the team improves and the list will only improve as more $$$ are put into recruiting and development instead of paying out contracted coaches. All this takes years when you are starting from scratch even when you have the dollars. The current Eagles and Cats sides didn't happen overnight. Both took 5 years to become true finals sides. Look at when most of their players were drafted - 1999-2001.
Exactly! :clapping
St Kilda scooped the cream of the draft in 2001 and are yet to do anything of real substance. Yet we, the team who had a crack at the draft three years after them should be on top right now? Geelong couldn't have fallen further last year. Bomber Thompson hung on to his job by the proverbials. Look at him - and them - now. Don't even start on where Freo should be on the Premiership Clock...
Hawthorn, for all its success this season have done no more than we have to this stage. Sure they have been flashy and been a talking point this year, but they are slowing down. the long season is starting to take it's toll on their youngsters. They may even fall out of the 8...I doubt it, but I've seen Richmond in the same position plenty of times and still finish 9th on each occassion.
We are not travelling well...that is obvious. We were cruelled by injuries, and as such a gamble we took backfired. We lost our number one ruckmen (Simmo), number one in-and-under midfielder (Cogs) and number one mercurial forward (Brown) for basically the season. Our one and only senior backup ruck (Knob) has been out all year. Our pinch hit ruck (Hall) has too. A vital cog in our team last year (P. Bowden) has been injured for half the year or struggling to get back to fitness from injury. The mature aged draftee (Kingsley) we took on this year broke an ankle 2 weeks out from the start of the pre-season comp and thus wiped out his season. We lost 5 winnable games in the first 7 or 8 and therefore decided to pack it in for the year and try the youth KNOWING we weren't gonna get up there this year. We did what the fans asked..."get rid of the duds, play the kids". And yet we still have the same impatient cries of "Sack the Coach! That'll fix it all!" ::)
Lets play hypotheticals for a second here...what happens next year when the prophecies of the chief trumpeters come true, and the Messiah arrives to save us...what happens when we discover he proves to be nothing more than an Emperor with no clothes? :shh
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Hawthorn, for all its success this season have done no more than we have to this stage. Sure they have been flashy and been a talking point this year, but they are slowing down. the long season is starting to take it's toll on their youngsters.
Exactly what is happening at Richmond and ppl will capitalise on that for their own reasons. We're not going to get better at this stage of a long year. But anyone can see the great potential of some of our kids. You only have to look at how we played up till half way through the year to see there's potential. Naturally, they're going to find it hard to keep that going and we're seeing the results of that. But there are still more kids to blood that we haven't seen yet, so if any supporter wants to get something out of this year, that to me is it.
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year. But anyone can see the great potential of some of our kids.
I cant,sorry.
I see poor recruiting of players such as Kingsley,Knobel and P. Bowden.
AS for the kids,i see light weights who wont make it..
Edwards, Foley Deledio will make it.
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Fwoy - excellent work. This sums up the current situation beautifully.
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I for one am against sacking the coach. It's very short sighted and akin to cutting your nose of to spite your face. Our problems are far more involved and our list still needs serious fine tuning. Without that you could put any of the great coaches going around at the helm and we'd still end up smelling like pooh!
Fwoy made some very good points especially our lack of a decent ruck dept this year. We get slaughtered there every week.
I too was expecting improvement this year but as Paul Keating once said "It was the recession we had to have".
Would Sheedy make any difference to our current situation?? I think not. What makes his situation at Essendon any different to here?? Their key senior players are aging, like ours, their recruitment in recent times has been ordinary, like ours, in actual fact I believe they are in the exact same position as we were last year and their "Recession" is yet to come. We've been fortunate enough to pick up some good youngsters in the last year or two whereas the Bombers have very limited young talent. We also now have the advantage of early draft pics whereas the bombers will probably end up in the death seat at seasons end just like we did. Even if they get to play finals they will probably be out in the first round.
So I'm prepared to give Terry the benefit of the doubt atm. To compare his tenure with Frawley's time here as some have done is farcical! He has a much better footy brain than Frawley, is doing what Frawley didn't by playing youngsters like Edwards, King, Riewoldt, Connors, McGuane, Thursfield and giving all players the opportunity to show their worth before further culling begins. As far as I'm concerned we are now building for next year and this is when I will expect to see us moving forward.
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I for one am against sacking the coach. It's very short sighted and akin to cutting your nose of to spite your face. Our problems are far more involved and our list is still needs serious fine tuning. Without that you could put any of the great coaches going around at the helm and we'd still end up smelling like pooh!
Fwoy made some very good points especially our lack of a decent ruck dept this year. We get slaughtered there every week.
I too was expecting improvement this year but as Paul Keating once said "It was the recession we had to have".
Would Sheedy make any difference to our current situation?? I think not. What makes his situation at Essendon any different to here?? Their key senior players are aging, like ours, their recruitment in recent times has been ordinary, like ours, in actual fact I believe they are in the exact same position as we were last year and their "Recession" is yet to come. We've been fortunate enough to pick up some good youngsters in the last year or two whereas the Bombers have very limited young talent. We also now have the advantage of early draft pics whereas the bombers will probably end up in the death seat at seasons end just like we did. Even if they get to play finals they will probably be out in the first round.
So I'm prepared to give Terry the benefit of the doubt atm. To compare his tenure with Frawley's time here as some have done is farcical! He has a much better footy brain than Frawley, is doing what Frawley didn't by playing youngsters like Edwards, King, Riewoldt, Connors, McGuane, Thursfield and giving all players the opportunity to show their worth before further culling begins. As far as I'm concerned we are now building for next year and this is when I will expect to see us moving forward.
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Would Sheedy make any difference to our current situation?? I think not. What makes his situation at Essendon any different to here?? Their key senior players are aging, like ours, their recruitment in recent times has been ordinary, like ours, in actual fact I believe they are in the exact same position as we were last year and their "Recession" is yet to come.
Exactly - And then what does he do he signs Mal Michael - The same quick fix situation that has seen us go nowhere in the past.
Maybe that is why he is gone - lack of foresight ....
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C'mon Terry - time and patience are running out :banghead
Correct Julz.
Should of got the stronger bodies from Day 1.
Its no secret that Terry wanted to model the team on the Western Bulldogs. Oh Dear.
You should play Kent kingsley Terry ::)
And Terry, you have kept the wrong players and thats your decision.
Can't argue with this
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People at Richmond want instant success. Their patience wears thin after 2 years. Sheeds would eventually cop the same crap once reality replaced mysticism and nostalgia. Some people need to realise the list has to fixed before the team improves and the list will only improve as more $$$ are put into recruiting and development instead of paying out contracted coaches. All this takes years when you are starting from scratch even when you have the dollars. The current Eagles and Cats sides didn't happen overnight. Both took 5 years to become true finals sides. Look at when most of their players were drafted - 1999-2001.
Exactly! :clapping
St Kilda scooped the cream of the draft in 2001 and are yet to do anything of real substance. Yet we, the team who had a crack at the draft three years after them should be on top right now? Geelong couldn't have fallen further last year. Bomber Thompson hung on to his job by the proverbials. Look at him - and them - now. Don't even start on where Freo should be on the Premiership Clock...
Hawthorn, for all its success this season have done no more than we have to this stage. Sure they have been flashy and been a talking point this year, but they are slowing down. the long season is starting to take it's toll on their youngsters. They may even fall out of the 8...I doubt it, but I've seen Richmond in the same position plenty of times and still finish 9th on each occassion.
We are not travelling well...that is obvious. We were cruelled by injuries, and as such a gamble we took backfired. We lost our number one ruckmen (Simmo), number one in-and-under midfielder (Cogs) and number one mercurial forward (Brown) for basically the season. Our one and only senior backup ruck (Knob) has been out all year. Our pinch hit ruck (Hall) has too. A vital cog in our team last year (P. Bowden) has been injured for half the year or struggling to get back to fitness from injury. The mature aged draftee (Kingsley) we took on this year broke an ankle 2 weeks out from the start of the pre-season comp and thus wiped out his season. We lost 5 winnable games in the first 7 or 8 and therefore decided to pack it in for the year and try the youth KNOWING we weren't gonna get up there this year. We did what the fans asked..."get rid of the duds, play the kids". And yet we still have the same impatient cries of "Sack the Coach! That'll fix it all!" ::)
Lets play hypotheticals for a second here...what happens next year when the prophecies of the chief trumpeters come true, and the Messiah arrives to save us...what happens when we discover he proves to be nothing more than an Emperor with no clothes? :shh
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Well said Fwoy
I've said it before myself I cant get my head around what what people actual want and I don't think some people know exactly what it is they want.
We want the kids played. We play 'em but they are either 1/ duds - never gonna make it or 2/ not ready to be played. The only way we are going to find if they are going to make it is if we play 'em.
Then we have people screaming "we are losing, we are losing" and the world's about ot stop turning but at the same time the same people were saying at the beginning of the year - we were going finish bottom 4
I just don't get it.
And tiga
:clapping :clapping :bow :bow too :thumbsup