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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on September 01, 2007, 05:21:13 PM
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I hope the AFL fine him. And when they fine him Richmond should fine him as well for the comments he made today. He better have a bloody good season next year or its cya later Plough.
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stick it in ur ars Ramps.
Im supporting him on this one.
Whats the problem ????????????????????????????????
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whats the problem
1) completely unnecessary to comment in this way, and unnecessary from a senior AFL coach.
2) if we are on the bottom next year, what are we gonna say... sorry guys we dont want the early early pick.
and by the way... stick up it your clacker bracketboy lol...
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lol rampopolous
As if we should fine him too :wallywink
stuff the afl
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this has the makings of my first fued on OER...
fire up (()) brackets or whatever your name is this week
It was just a poor error of judgement from a senior coach. He shouldnt have done it, there was no need to do it. For no reason at all people will talk about our club in this discussion about the tank.
Today we had a great result, we were in it to the end, and we get our priority and we keep the hope alive if we start bad next season we will get another one. Wallace shouldnt and didnt have to say or do what he did today. Completely unnecessary.
Weve had a crap season, let it finish. There was no need for the controversy.
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ur forgetting,
out of all of us,TW has had the worst time of it all and if he wants to let some steam off
and direct it at the big malaka, then he is more than allowed.
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the AFL is gonna come down on him like a tonne of bricks Aka brackets bracketboy (()))) and they're gonna go after Richmond as well. What was the point. It was just stupid. Lets let Wallace coach us for another 12 months and if he doesnt get into the 8 then hes OUT. Cyalater, tata Charlie and all the rest.
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He did it for the competition, not Richmond.
The last couple of weeks have been a farce.
Do you want to see that continue, Ramps, or do you want to put an end to it?
Wallace put up alternative to stop the tanking and it was ignored.
Maybe it wasn't totally viable, but there was absolutely nothing addressed about his concerns.
It's not the first time he's commented on the issue and I hope it won't be the last.
The AFL set the system, and if clubs rort the system, the AFL only have themselves to blame.
Good on you Terry :thumbsup
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Terry Wallace doesnt get paid by the competition he gets paid by Richmond. Thats the members, sponsors, and supporters who put there hard earned. He should have kept his mouth shut on this today- i ask again...next year if we are stone motherless last in r22 and looking at the 1st 2 picks in a hot national draft ... how many of you will give up a pick for the competition by seeing us win the last game...and taking us over the priority pick level.
We are stuffed as a club, we need this system to stay in place for atleast 12 months.
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stuff the AFL & thier tanking system
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So you would prefer we tank a whole season do you Ramps?
You can stick that up your arrse as well!
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Sorry Ramps, but Terry is spot on here. You are too blinded by your dislike for Terry to judge the comments objectively.
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can you imbeciles leave my behind alone....
we cant win no flag with the talent we have. we need to get early picks...Hawthorn did it, thats why they are today...on the verge of creating a long window of opportunity.
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Sorry Ramps, but Terry is spot on here. You are too blinded by your dislike for Terry to judge the comments objectively.
I dont dislike Terry, infact ive been supportive of him for the most part, but his attack today was not on.
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can you imbeciles leave my behind alone....
we cant win no flag with the talent we have. we need to get early picks...Hawthorn did it, thats why they are today...on the verge of creating a long window of opportunity.
hawthorn will drop off after there lollies are taken away from them ;D
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can you imbeciles leave my behind alone....
we cant win no flag with the talent we have. we need to get early picks...Hawthorn did it, thats why they are today...on the verge of creating a long window of opportunity.
hawthorn will drop off after there lollies are taken away from them ;D
The Glenferrie Disco-bikkies
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What did he say dudes
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From IDGAF @ BF
Said for the first time in being involved in footy at the elite level for 30 years that he has turned up to a game genuinely comprimised . Admitted that going forward we are better off losing today . ( not that we would deliberately do that )
Returned fire @ Dimitriou for saying that draft picks arent a panacea .. said that Chris Judd was a priority pick and look at what he has done for the eagles ... said our whole game plan today revolved around stopping Riewoldt who was a priority pick .... in a nutshell said that comment from Demetriou was rubbish ... gave other examples
To come bottom and get the leverage of the first pick in the PSD was huge ... gave the example of Freo having to trade Simmonds to us otherwise we would have got him for nothing , and were still able to keep our pick ... gave the same example as the Saints getting Gehrig under the same circumstances , and keeping thier pick for Hamill .
Said the AFL was run like the TV show "Happy Days" and called Demetriou "Fonzie" . meaning they make out at headquarters that it`s all sunshine and hassle free ... but .. said when anyone connected with the game makes the slightest negative comment reagrding the AFL they get called to task and fined for it ... but do you ever hear them put thier hands up and say they have got something wrong ... my interpretation of that was he is basically saying they are two faced and hypocrites .
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hmmmm
I gunna play tiger woods and have a think - pizzed of in a nutshell
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hmmmm
I gunna play tiger woods and have a think - pizzed of in a nutshell
stuff demitriou,the fat arsed,turkey necked Mouno pano
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If thats what he said....good for him, someone has to say it as it is, as you say Ox eff off demitriou, take a step back and have a good look at whats good for the game in the long haul, no quick fix band aid measures, get off your stubborn high horses and admit when youve made a mistake and try another way :cheers
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i was sitting with an old greek mate of mine and my kids at the footy today. mad does this greek dude hate the cyprian "fonzi" gonzales dimitrpupiso.
anyway , i dont often agree with ())(, but im with him on this,
terry had to say what he said, and how bloody obvious did we tank today, and in hindsight it was the best thing for the future of our club.
we had the aints on toast, joekl 12 touches in 12 minutes and gioes for a rest on teh pine, with guys like sugar, lids , newman etc all ghaving stints when it counted!
in the long run, terry used the rules to our advantage , and as a coach its his duty
its not his fault the afl has compromised the competition
now lets hope judd or someone really good nominates for the draft
we ghave 1st pick of any uncontracted player and also have some bargaining power now
f the afl, f carlton, and f dimitripoof
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example as the Saints getting Gehrig under the same circumstances , and keeping thier pick for Hamill .
Said the AFL was run like the TV show "Happy Days" and called Demetriou "Fonzie" . meaning they make out at headquarters that it`s all sunshine and hassle free ... but .. said when anyone connected with the game makes the slightest negative comment reagrding the AFL they get called to task and fined for it ... but do you ever hear them put thier hands up and say they have got something wrong ... my interpretation of that was he is basically saying they are two faced and hypocrites .
:lol So nice to hear someone tell the truth.
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Review priority draft pick: Wallace
8:21 PM Sat 1 September, 2007
By Jason Phelan
Exclusive to AFL BigPond Network
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has called on the AFL to review its priority draft pick system following his team’s loss to St Kilda at the MCG on Saturday.
The Tigers stood to lose a precious extra pick at the end of the first round of this year’s NAB AFL National Draft if they had beaten the Saints, which was very much on the cards early in the last quarter of the match.
Wallace argued the system as it stands leaves clubs struggling at the bottom of the ladder in an untenable situation in the dying stages of a season; open to unfair scrutiny and unjust innuendo.
“For the first time in 30 years that I’ve come to a game as a player or coach I felt compromised in my position and I never want to be in that position again,” Wallace said.
“I thought it was not fair, not right and shouldn’t be the way that we play the game.
“Young people who are coming up and growing up playing our great game with the notion that somebody might be going out not to play because there might be bigger prizes; I don’t think we should be teaching our young people those lessons in life in general.
“I felt compromised … myself and I thought I was put in a position where I was going to get scrutinised more heavily, if the game finished up the way that it finished, than what we deserved to be.”
Joel Bowden and Nathan Foley, important ball winners for the Tigers, spent time on the bench when the game was up for grabs on Saturday.
Using them as an example, Wallace said he resented being left open to scrutiny as to his motives in that situation, explaining Bowden was a spent force and Foley was resting as a part of the regular midfield rotation.
“I thought our players and our football club showed that we were at least honourable in everything that we did,” he said.
“We put players out on the ground who we could have put away quite easily - Tuck with a broken thumb, King had a massive ankle [problem] last week - but we wanted to play. Our players wanted to put their best foot forward for their supporters in what’s been a really tough year.
“We decided that we didn’t want to go down a pathway of being perceived, under any circumstances, of not trying to win a game of football.
“I couldn’t look my players in the eyes if they wanted to win and I was doing things to be going against their endeavours in the game.
“Others have got to live by what they’ve decided to do and they can have a moralistic view of whether they think that’s right or wrong, but the Richmond Football Club … we just refused to go down that pathway.
“I thought we were at least honourable in everything that we did, but we shouldn’t be in that position. It’s a tough position to be in and personally I think something’s got to be done about it.”
Wallace said the ramifications of a Richmond win would have been far-reaching for the future of the club and that a priority pick was an unhealthy incentive to lose and could prove too tempting for some clubs.
“For people to say that a priority pick doesn’t necessarily win premierships or change the flow of where a football club’s going; the premiership was won last year on the back of Chris Judd playing magnificent football and what’s Chris Judd? He’s a priority pick,” Wallace said.
“One of our biggest problems leading into today was how are we going to stop Nick Riewoldt and guess what? He’s a priority pick. It makes an enormous difference to the way things are structured up.
“If we had won the game of football today, we lose control of the first uncontracted player in the [pre-season] draft and the negotiations around that [as well].
“What that meant for St Kilda going back a few years when they were in that position, they were actually able to secure Aaron Hamill and Fraser Gehrig from the one trade period through being in that position.
“The last time we were in this position we got Trent Knobel and Troy Simmonds out of exactly the same position.”
Wallace did not put forward an alternative model but did suggest outgoing Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy should be drafted into an AFL think-tank to explore better ways of aiding teams that regularly under-performed.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=6301&newsId=50278
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Said the AFL was run like the TV show "Happy Days" and called Demetriou "Fonzie" .
:rollin
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Ch 10 just replayed Plough's comments. In all seriousness Terry shouldn't have called Andy D "fonzie" as it cheapens his point but he's right to say the AFL live in fairyland. Whether it be tanking, new stupid rules, the standard umpiring in general or the illicit drug problem, the AFL just puts a cone of silence on everyone and thinks by sweeping everything under the carpet, the problems in and with the game will just go away.
Furthermore, Carlton manipulating/cheating the system and the AFL has cost us again at the draft table. First with pick 4 becoming pick 2 after trade week and now with us most likely being the first club ever to not get the first pick ever despite finishing last. The sooner Andy D and AA pee off the better.
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Said the AFL was run like the TV show "Happy Days" and called Demetriou "Fonzie" .
:rollin
just another example of how the AFL has become a :'(joke
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Wallace takes swipe at Demetriou
02 September 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
David Reed
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has slammed the priority pick system saying he felt compromised in yesterday's Round 22 clash where a loss offered far more to his club than victory.
"It is not fair, not right and shouldn't be the way we play the game," Wallace said.
"If we had won today what we would have lost as a football club is massive for our future."
He said he expected his every coaching move to be scrutinised after his side gave up a last-quarter lead and went down by 10 points to St Kilda at the MCG to claim the wooden spoon.
It means the Tigers receive a priority pick at the end of the first round in the November draft and they have secured the strong bargaining chip of the No. 1 pick in the pre-season draft.
That top pre-season pick gives the club first crack at any uncontracted players and has previously been used to coerce other clubs into trading.
"In 30 years in the game I have never had those mixed emotions coming into a game," Wallace said.
But he insisted his club did not tank the game and took the "honourable" approach and went all-out to win.
"Our players were at least honourable in everything we did - we put players out on the ground who we could have put away quite easily, (Shane Tuck) 'Tucky' with a broken thumb, Jacob King had a massive ankle last week," he said.
"The players wanted to put their best foot forward for the supporters."
Wallace said there was nothing suspicious about him taking Joel Bowden and Nathan Foley from the field in the last quarter.
"You can speak to Joel yourself, Joel was so spent after his first 10 minutes, he had it 10 times in the first 10 or 12 minutes but he actually asked to come to the bench and rejuvenate because he couldn't go," Wallace said.
"Again you are asking me questions that I shouldn't need to be asked in that situation."
His comments followed a pre-match attack on the priority pick rule on Triple M when Wallace light-heartedly compared the AFL with TV sitcom Happy Days and likened its chief executive Andrew Demetriou to "the Fonz" because he could never admit he was wrong.
AFL spokesman Patrick Keane said clubs were entitled to disagree with rules and Wallace would not face any penalty.
And Keane said Demetriou was not upset to be called Fonzie because "the Fonz was always cool".
"(Demetriou) said it would have really hurt if he was called Potsie," Keane said.
The tanking issue will be prominent again today with Carlton needing to lose to secure first choice in the draft as a priority pick and Melbourne needing to lose to claim three picks in the top 20 instead of one.
Wallace refused to enter any discussions on what Carlton or Melbourne might do, but said history had shown how important draft picks were.
"For us to win today we lose a priority pick, which is pick 18 . . . for our supporters that is probably your next Adam Pattison or Dean Polo not at the club," Wallace said.
"Not only does it do that, it has us in a position where we are to negotiate with an uncontracted player.
"To put it in St Kilda's terms, when they finished on the bottom a few years ago, they were able to go to the West Coast Eagles and say, 'Well, if you don't give us Fraser Gehrig, then we will pick him up for nothing'.
"West Coast had to trade because if you don't trade you get nothing. So St Kilda was able to turn around and get Aaron Hamill off Carlton as an uncontracted player."
"The AFL say that the priority picks doesn't make any difference and you don't win premierships off them; well, I tell you the biggest difficulty we have got today is how we stop Nick Riewoldt. He is a priority pick.
"The West Coast Eagles won a premiership last year off the back of Chris Judd. Guess what? He is a priority pick. Priority picks do matter. So we have got to fix the rules.
"I think the AFL at times live in Happy Days.
"And 'Fonzie' Demetriou . . . when are we actually going to get someone to say perhaps we haven't actually thought this one out right, and let's have a look at it, so we don't get put in this position."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22346918%255E20322,00.html
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Demetriou has called Plough's comments sour grapes because we hardly won any games this year.
Demetriou hit back on Monday saying the system would not be changed.
"It's not just my stance, it's the view of the AFL commission," Demetriou said.
Demetriou also hit back at Wallace, saying he should concentrate on improving the performance of his club, which slipped from ninth to last this season.
"The Richmond Football Club didn't win enough football matches this year and shouldn't be in that position," he said.
Demetriou also described as 'nonsense' Wallace's claims the AFL could not admit when it was wrong.
"Last year when we had Sirengate in Tasmania we admitted we were wrong," he said.
Full article at: http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/afl-news-display/no-changes-to-priority-picks-demetriou-34918
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What an absolute prick!
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What an absolute prick!
Ditto.
Instead of Fonzie, Plough should have called Demetriou an Ostrich. He always has his head in the sand ::). We've basically got from him this week that the priority pick system is right but it doesn't help ??? and from him today it wouldn't be an issue if teams didn't finish down the bottom even though priority picks are designed for bottom sides ???.
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Terry was absolutely spot on with what he said.
I had the misfortune of watching the first qtr of the Melb -v- Blues game on Fox yesterday and that games was an absolute indictment on this competition.
It was clear in the first 10 minutes that Carlton had no intention of being competitive let only winning.
the problem with the system is that htey changed it this year to this "if you only win so many games over a 2 year period". That was only ever going to favour one Club in 2007 and that Carlton. The system is joke.
But actually I am not sure what is the biggest joke the system or Andy D trying to justify it by harping on that teams don't tank - because that is absolute crap! No joke :banghead
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Wonder what Mike stuff of the commission thinks about all this.
Two questions.
When was he appointed to the commission and when was the PP rule put in place or the new version, having to win so many games to get it?
I'm over it, but was really disappointed in Fonzie's reaction saying sour grapes. He's not fit to be a water boy, let alone a commissioner with those comments :banghead
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you guys are way to biased against the AFL to see the reality of it. By the way Andrew Demetriou told the truth....we were poo in 2007 and thats the fact.
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I had the misfortune of watching the first qtr of the Melb -v- Blues game on Fox yesterday and that games was an absolute indictment on this competition.
It was clear in the first 10 minutes that Carlton had no intention of being competitive let only winning.
my feelings exactly. It was disgraceful.
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you guys are way to biased against the AFL to see the reality of it. By the way Andrew Demetriou told the truth....we were pooh in 2007 and thats the fact.
Yes we were pooh, but someone has to be.
Say we finished 10th or 11th, another team would have taken our spot and their coach would have said the same thing, 'we finished bottom, but don't get a number one pick and we can't afford to lose the Number 1 PSD pick.'
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I had the misfortune of watching the first qtr of the Melb -v- Blues game on Fox yesterday and that games was an absolute indictment on this competition.
It was clear in the first 10 minutes that Carlton had no intention of being competitive let only winning.
The fat boy Lance can't make the distance from 40 out ::)
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I had the misfortune of watching the first qtr of the Melb -v- Blues game on Fox yesterday and that games was an absolute indictment on this competition.
It was clear in the first 10 minutes that Carlton had no intention of being competitive let only winning.
The fat boy Lance can't make the distance from 40 out ::)
Ditto Jarrad Waite.
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Fonz wants to listen to the mesasage. It wasn't about the Richmond or come to that matter, Carlton either. Yes we both should have won more games. But we didn't.
It was to say that it made it look like we have tanked to get the better picks, not so.
Terry as I understand it was saying that this system helps you get better draft picks if you are hopeless. And this isn't what he wants.
Terry came up with a plan before and I thought it was a good one. So it could be a little sour grapes but I don't think so.
Fonz is a pure a hole and he thinks his sh#t doesn't stink, he also thinks he know what is going on. He's the biggest fool out there and he's running the game we love and he has no insight into what the hell is going on. So before he opens his dopey mouth he should think of what he wants to say a little like Akermanis.
Lets hope 08 is better for us.
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you guys are way to biased against the AFL to see the reality of it. By the way Andrew Demetriou told the truth....we were pooh in 2007 and thats the fact.
No doubt we're crap Ramps but as retygas says the big picture on this issue isn't about us though. Next year we may win 8, 10 or more games but that won't make the tanking issue go away. Make the bottom 8 a weighted lottery so you don't get the farce where clubs and supporters want to lose to finish a spot lower or two.
The 2-year rule is a rolling one to boot. So if Carlton win 4 or less games again next year they'll get another 1st pick in the draft ::).
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I think The "Fonz" has missed the point.
An AFL coach felt he was compromised by the rules.