One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 16, 2007, 05:59:13 PM
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Okay a contraversial one in JON.
JON made his debut famously in the Dreamtime game last year kicking that winning point. Played 4 games before suffering from shin splints late last year and missed the whole preseason. JON still played 3 games this year (R5-7) while spending the rest of 2007 at Coburg playing 17 matches.
http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1638&SeasonID=ALL
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Jarrad%20Oakley-Nicholls&action=PSTATS&pID=124713005&client=1-3020-0-52851-4380378 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Jarrad%20Oakley-Nicholls&action=PSTATS&pID=124713005&client=1-3020-0-52851-4380378)
How do we all judge JON's career so far?
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:P I don't know where JON stands
I would really like him to make it, but whenever I see him play it makes me think is this guy even VFL quality ???
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No.
Definetly NOT!
Struggles to stand up, keeps falling over.
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Yep, yes, ya and did I say Yeah ...
I have faith and I thought his game to day was good - exactly what he was asked to do
And please remember he has just turned 19 is still growing and hasn't done a full pre-season yet
YEahhhhhhhh
:thumbsup
:gotigers
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Im with WP, I think he'll be fine.
His defensive work is fantastic. That decision making with the footy is a problem but ABSOLUTELY shouldn't be going anywhere.
:thumbsup
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Your right, leave him at Coburg ;)
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Your right, leave him at Coburg ;)
Tell me Kackstar when is Terry quitting again?
I'm sorry but you have no credibility.
:sleep
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Keep - Give the kid a chance far out ....
How long has some other teams youngsters been hiding at VFL level before they burst onto the scene.
Patience with this kid.
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If JON had been selected at pick 60 then you wouldn't hear boo from supporters as there'd be little expectation and fans would tolerate some footy skill deficiences. As a top 10 pick you expect the natural football skills to be basically already there. It then comes down to how much the kid is willing work as to whether they make it or not.
With no preseason you'd expect JON to be struggling fitness wise but he's getting through full games fine. He's ahead of schedule on that front. The concern is his lack of awareness and decision making when he has the ball. Us trying to turn an athlete into a footballer. It of course isn't JON's fault that the club decided he was a top 10 pick. Not sure what Miller was thinking ???.
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Still reckon his defensive work is fantastic and goes unnoticed while he gets grilled by the stat watchers.
There is another side to footy apart from stats and that side is building nicely.
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If JON had been selected at pick 60 then you wouldn't hear boo from supporters as there'd be little expectation and fans would tolerate some footy skill deficiences. As a top 10 pick you expect the natural football skills to be basically already there. It then comes down to how much the kid is willing work as to whether they make it or not.
With no preseason you'd expect JON to be struggling fitness wise but he's getting through full games fine. He's ahead of schedule on that front. The concern is his lack of awareness and decision making when he has the ball. Us trying to turn an athlete into a footballer. It of course isn't JON's fault that the club decided he was a top 10 pick. Not sure what Miller was thinking ???.
After watching him live yesterday he has lost his way
another season in the burgers to prove his worth
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Nah.
We stuffed this one up. :banghead
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Yep, yes, ya and did I say Yeah ...
I have faith and I thought his game to day was good - exactly what he was asked to do
And please remember he has just turned 19 is still growing and hasn't done a full pre-season yet
YEahhhhhhhh
:thumbsup
:gotigers
I keep thinking back to Dean Polo who was more a footballer than Jon when drafted but even he couldn't even crack Coburg 1sts in his first year - And that's when Coburg were poo.
The problem with Jon is the expectations and everytime he gets the ball he's is scrutinised to within an inch of his life.
Patience - another season maybe two but as WP states he's only 19
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keep, why would get rid of a second year player that really has had no pre season at all and been unsettled by injury, the coaching staff and the inner sanctum of the RFC are the only people know whats been happening with JON.
keep for mine.
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what frustrates me with JON is that he looks dumb on the field. I don't know why, I remember watching tapes of him and the U18 and he was everything he is not today. He was fluid, he made good decisions and his kicking was good overall. I don't know what has happened. And I don't think you can blame lack of a preseason for his current woes, decision making and hitting targets aren't reliant on a preseason
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double post
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hmmmmm ... he looks so slow with and without the football ...
3rd year next year ... make or break ...
so keep for this year !!!
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what frustrates me with JON is that he looks dumb on the field. I don't know why, I remember watching tapes of him and the U18 and he was everything he is not today. He was fluid, he made good decisions and his kicking was good overall. I don't know what has happened. And I don't think you can blame lack of a preseason for his current woes, decision making and hitting targets aren't reliant on a preseason
As Moore said in the article on RFC the other day 'It's all about confidence'
Some players get their chance and start off naturally nervous don't get it quite right and find themselves on the bench moreso that off the bench and "bingo" they are behind the 8 ball and struggling at the level with the all important confidence down. It all takes time for some.
eg. Tambling
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what frustrates me with JON is that he looks dumb on the field. I don't know why, I remember watching tapes of him and the U18 and he was everything he is not today. He was fluid, he made good decisions and his kicking was good overall. I don't know what has happened. And I don't think you can blame lack of a preseason for his current woes, decision making and hitting targets aren't reliant on a preseason
As Moore said in the article on RFC the other day 'It's all about confidence'
Some players get their chance and start off naturally nervous don't get it quite right and find themselves on the bench moreso that off the bench and "bingo" they are behind the 8 ball and struggling at the level with the all important confidence down. It all takes time for some.
eg. Tambling
Mopsy and Bluey,
i think it's majorly about confidence. I was at City Oval earlier tis year when he won lots of ball in the first quarter and coughed it up in trying the impossible pass time after time. He was benched for most of the second quarter and McRae spent time with him. He then came on with explicit instructions to kick long, and he then looked good, confident and contributed.
He knows he is turning the ball over, I just sense that he is trying so hard to find the right option that he is indecisive. When it is more instinctive he can hit targets, take on opponents and beat them. A little self belief can go a long way. When he gets that confidence back then I believe we will see him blossom. And I would hazard that lack of confidence in his body, ie.e stress fractures etc. will make it harder to build that confidence.
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what frustrates me with JON is that he looks dumb on the field. I don't know why, I remember watching tapes of him and the U18 and he was everything he is not today. He was fluid, he made good decisions and his kicking was good overall. I don't know what has happened. And I don't think you can blame lack of a preseason for his current woes, decision making and hitting targets aren't reliant on a preseason
Senior footy (even VFL level) is faster and you're competing against bigger bodies than at U18 level. Any flaws in a player's ability to make decisions and their kicking technique are magnified. AFL level is another big jump up again in terms of game speed and consequently less space and time to make decisions and execute correctly.
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Your right, leave him at Coburg ;)
Tell me Kackstar when is Terry quitting again?
I'm sorry but you have no credibility.
:sleep
Next year 1956
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He knows he is turning the ball over, I just sense that he is trying so hard to find the right option that he is indecisive. When it is more instinctive he can hit targets, take on opponents and beat them. A little self belief can go a long way. When he gets that confidence back then I believe we will see him blossom. And I would hazard that lack of confidence in his body, ie.e stress fractures etc. will make it harder to build that confidence.
got it in nutshell :thumbsup
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Who did Jarrad play on?
I watched the game but can't remember. I suppose that means he probably outplayed whoever it was.
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After today and what I have seen all year, waste of a spot on our list
Cant play at elite level
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If JON had been selected at pick 60 then you wouldn't hear boo from supporters as there'd be little expectation and fans would tolerate some footy skill deficiences. As a top 10 pick you expect the natural football skills to be basically already there. It then comes down to how much the kid is willing work as to whether they make it or not.
With no preseason you'd expect JON to be struggling fitness wise but he's getting through full games fine. He's ahead of schedule on that front. The concern is his lack of awareness and decision making when he has the ball. Us trying to turn an athlete into a footballer. It of course isn't JON's fault that the club decided he was a top 10 pick. Not sure what Miller was thinking ???.
After watching him live yesterday he has lost his way
another season in the burgers to prove his worth
after watching him today l retract that statement of keeping him another year
his the worst drafted player l ever seen in my life
cya JON your not even VFL level bye bye
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I agree.
He has no idea about playing a smart game , cant hit a target , and we thought Duncan Kellaway was a poor kick, this bloke shouldnt of been in the draft so bad is his kicking skill and decision making
The people( Footy dept) at punt road rate him, oh dear ::)
We are in trouble
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I agree.
He has no idea about playing a smart game , cant hit a target , and we thought Duncan Kellaway was a poor kick, this bloke shouldnt of been in the draft so bad is his kicking skill and decision making
The people( Footy dept) at punt road rate him, oh dear ::)
We are in trouble
what do you expect jack, they picked him ... and whilst i admit i believed for a long time hed make it, right now ... i cant see it. he looks lost at vfl level.
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He has been lost from day 1 ::)
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He has been lost from day 1 ::)
Can you get lost? :pray
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Ain't seen much of him but I think its his time to go.
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Ain't seen much of him but I think its his time to go.
then how are you qualified to make that assessment, if you haven't seen much of him?
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He has been lost from day 1 ::)
Can you get lost? :pray
Mate, he cant play! ::) ::)
Thats why the Tiges are on the bottom or have you forgotten, too many overated DUDS!
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He has been lost from day 1 ::)
Can you get lost? :pray
Mate, he cant play! ::) ::)
Thats why the Tiges are on the bottom or have you forgotten, too many overated DUDS!
ah look who's back, now when is it that sheeds will be coaching the RFC club again.
its easy to take pot shots on a 19 year old kid.
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He has been lost from day 1 ::)
Can you get lost? :pray
Mate, he cant play! ::) ::)
Thats why the Tiges are on the bottom or have you forgotten, too many overated DUDS!
::)
for a dud team who finished last, we thumped the pies and bombers and stretched a stronger eagles team that the pies were lucky to beat
look at the bigger picture jackstar
its time to get over it jack, we are better placed and in better shape than many clubs.
jon will become a fine player and when he does u will be saying u always had faith and do a total flip
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Well maybe Roger3 , you should go to a game and have a look.
he cant kick, FACT
And he falls over all the time, FACT.
Who ever picked him at pick 8 should be locked away in a padded cell ::)
As for Sheeds, sometime during the course of the season next year!
If not 2009 ;)
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Well maybe Roger3 , you should go to a game and have a look.
he cant kick, FACT
And he falls over all the time, FACT.
Who ever picked him at pick 8 should be locked away in a padded cell ::)
As for Sheeds, sometime during the course of the season next year!
If not 2009 ;)
just say hypo speaking by rnd 22 next yr we are sitting 4th, would sheedy be there in 2009 or some time next yr?
or are you just banking and terrys tigers tanking again?
are you speculating, or do u actually know something or are u just pipe dreaming?
we just wanna know, cos something tells me sheeds will never coach again
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JON has his moement yesterday, a few passages of play I thought were quite classy, but still makes some big mistakes and they are costly
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just say hypo speaking by rnd 22 next yr we are sitting 4th, would sheedy be there in 2009 or some time next yr?
or are you just banking and terrys tigers tanking again?
are you speculating, or do u actually know something or are u just pipe dreaming?
we just wanna know, cos something tells me sheeds will never coach again
I think you are right xXx - 12 months out of the coaching capper now with all these younger blokes coming through means IMHO it will be near impossible for Sheeds to get another gig.
Sadly for Sheeds I reckon not getting the Melb job - says it in a nutshell. He would have been a perfect fit for that club in just a marketing sense but they chose to go long term and go young.
its easy to take pot shots on a 19 year old kid.
Exactly
Thank you rogerd3 - he is 19 years old, who hasnt' done a full pre-season and is still growing (hence some of the injuries) and he's been in the system 2 years. He was drafted when he was 17 - youngest kid taken that year.Why is this lost on some people.
I get like this :banghead :banghead because we put so much pressure of these kids because they aren't Judds or Deledios straight away - sheesh. Some playes don't come along as quickly that's a fact but people want to throw then on the scrap heap after 5 minutes. :banghead :banghead
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Well maybe Roger3 , you should go to a game and have a look.
he cant kick, FACT
And he falls over all the time, FACT.
Who ever picked him at pick 8 should be locked away in a padded cell ::)
As for Sheeds, sometime during the course of the season next year!
If not 2009 ;)
funny how you assume i dont go to games, maybe im a little more understanding of his injury problems since he arrived and perhaps the fact he is only 19 (from memory).
yeh as for sheeds im sure sometime next year will arrive and i wonder if we will see you around these neck of the woods, more likely not, im sure you stated catergorically he was home and hosed this year.
it seems the only time we see or hear from you is when you are ready to sink the slipper in, im sure we havent sighted you over the last couple of weeks and bang on you appear after the boys got a hiding yesterday.
sorry to my way of thinking you have a sybil complex, in fact thats been unkind to sybil... :banghead
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go JON, prove Jackstar wrong :thumbsup
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just say hypo speaking by rnd 22 next yr we are sitting 4th, would sheedy be there in 2009 or some time next yr?
or are you just banking and terrys tigers tanking again?
are you speculating, or do u actually know something or are u just pipe dreaming?
we just wanna know, cos something tells me sheeds will never coach again
I think you are right xXx - 12 months out of the coaching capper now with all these younger blokes coming through means IMHO it will be near impossible for Sheeds to get another gig.
Sadly for Sheeds I reckon not getting the Melb job - says it in a nutshell. He would have been a perfect fit for that club in just a marketing sense but they chose to go long term and go young.
its easy to take pot shots on a 19 year old kid.
Exactly
Thank you rogerd3 - he is 19 years old, who hasnt' done a full pre-season and is still growing (hence some of the injuries) and he's been in the system 2 years. He was drafted when he was 17 - youngest kid taken that year.Why is this lost on some people.
I get like this :banghead :banghead because we put so much pressure of these kids because they aren't Judds or Deledios straight away - sheesh. Some playes don't come along as quickly that's a fact but people want to throw then on the scrap heap after 5 minutes. :banghead :banghead
cmon WP dont be talking sense now it might just go over the head of some people, i agree totally with everything you have said, god there are some on another site with the same sybil complex.
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Thank you rogerd3 - he is 19 years old, who hasnt' done a full pre-season and is still growing (hence some of the injuries) and he's been in the system 2 years. He was drafted when he was 17 - youngest kid taken that year.Why is this lost on some people.
Agree with all that WP but to me those issues (leaving out the preseason injury which could happen to anyone) are reasons not to use a first round pick on any youngster in the same boat. Too speculative to use a top 10 pick on IMHO. My issue isn't with JON being picked up. If JON was taken at pick 60 no one would be saying anything. It's a complaint of our recruiting at the time.
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Agree with all that WP but to me those issues (leaving out the preseason injury which could happen to anyone) are reasons not to use a first round pick on any youngster in the same boat. Too speculative to use a top 10 pick on IMHO. My issue isn't with JON being picked up. If JON was taken at pick 60 no one would be saying anything. It's a complaint of our recruiting at the time.
Fair call MT. I suppose that's one of the problems with being a top 10er or even a pick in the top 15. The expectations are far greater.
I have no reason not to think the club knew that this was a selection with a focus on the long term and they have/are prepared to give the kid time. By all reports he wouldn't have lasted until pick 60 ;D
I think he will be OK and I am prepared to back the Club on this one. If he was 21-22 been in the system 4 years I'd be questioning it but not at this stage. IMHO far too early
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The expectations on top draft picks are far greater however unless they're a freak like Judd all these kids are long-term prospects in some way. They all need to work on some aspects of their game over their first few years in the system. That is a given. Agree WP when you say some supporters ridiculously expect the world from these kids instantly.
It's just IMO there are things that are non-negotiable for a kid to qualify as a top 10 pick. Showing some natural footy nouse and having solid skills being prerequisites (eg: a solid kicking technique that comes instinctively so it doesn't fall apart under pressure).
I just disagree with the philosophy of the club when picking up speculative long-term kids so early in the draft. Alex Gilmour was one. Too much of a risk for mine with such high picks. Get it wrong and you stuff up a whole draft which can put the club back a year. I would rather the club played the percentages instead of trying to be too clever hoping and wishing to find that diamond in the rough. Leave the speculative types to later in the draft. We didn't miss out on a Foley, Thursty or McGuane by not taking them in the first round of a draft. Last year for instance I think the club in the main got it right.
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i say keep him for 1 or 2 more years and if he gives us nothing then we offload him.
whoever said we put too much pressure on the kids well do u blame us. look at what has come our way lately.
pettifer at pick 8
sugar we got by letting go pick 2 who by memory was wells or goddard.
richard lounder pick 1, 1998 i think.
tambling..
oakly-nichols..
danny meyer.
need i go on
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need i go on
No. :D
Out of interest, is there anything or anyone you actually think is any good at Richmond? :gotigers
ps Lounder was 1987. ;)
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i say keep him for 1 or 2 more years and if he gives us nothing then we offload him.
whoever said we put too much pressure on the kids well do u blame us. look at what has come our way lately.
pettifer at pick 8
sugar we got by letting go pick 2 who by memory was wells or goddard.
richard lounder pick 1, 1998 i think.
tambling..
oakly-nichols..
danny meyer.
need i go on
Lounder was 20 years ago. Hardly relevant now ???
4 of the 5 picks before Pettifer (pick 9) are no longer on an AFL list. The other Motlop was traded by the Roos to Port. It was an actual first round pick we did alright out of. Blingers will be fine too.
If Wells or Goddard were at Richmond our supporters would be bagging the club for using a top 2 pick on either. They've hardly lived up to their pre-draft reputations. Our problem in that draft was what we did with our other picks. Picking up recycled duds like Fleming and Nicholls instead of kids. It's this missing generation of kids who would be now 23 that has left a massive hole in the peak age bracket of our list (23-26 year olds).
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thats all good and well but nonetheless we have a average list at best and 2 players we let go are playing in a grand final.
dont try and talk up our draft picks in the last 10 years because they have been disgraceful, led by none other than sugar johnson.
i dont care what u say, goddard and wells have underformed but they dont compare to johnson. he is a disgrace that bloke and one of the main reasons why we are last. he doesnt lead by example ever!!
at least when i watched campo knighter and flee when they were captains, i could walk away and be happy with their leadership.
Johnson is only good for tossing the coin and he would probably screw that up given time
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sugar we got by letting go pick 2 who by memory was wells or goddard.
need i go on
Get it right - pick two was Wells. It was pick 4 when we did the trade - Carlton lost two picks after the trade.
Johnson is captain and hardly a dud.
Goddard is a very very good player.
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daniella, why put petts down, he is developing into a very dangerous and top hff, 2 pretty damn good yrs in a row, next yr could poassibly get closer to 50 goals f or teh yr, what else do u expect from him
go back to sleep
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who r u andrew demetriou?
it was pick 2 in the end fruitloop.
regardless of the fact johnson is a dud. if u disagree thats ur issue.
my money is that your one of those type of people in the stands who bag richo week in week out when he is a leader in that team and it annoys me that johnson iis our captain.
johnson, let me see. he cant kick, can barely mark and my cat is more of a leader than that bloke. u do the math
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daniella, why put petts down, he is developing into a very dangerous and top hff, 2 pretty damn good yrs in a row, next yr could poassibly get closer to 50 goals f or teh yr, what else do u expect from him
go back to sleep
what more do i want??
i want people like him to actually try 22 weeks in a year not the last 3 or 4 weeks of the season.
leon davis is a prime exampe. he plays hff and look at him run, chase and tackle. we have got no one that does those 3 things in our forward line.
pettifer is a good kick and good reciever. thats it nothing more. he is too slow and may be one of very few players we can trade worth anything.
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u have no idea what so ever
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One more year with as minimal progress as this one and his name becomes Joakley.
It may already be...
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I hope this thread doesn't get too far ahead of me while I'm still trying to do the maths.
Let's see, a can't kick + a can barely mark + the cat's leadership x newt's IQ =............
Nah, I'll have to keep trying. :-\ Came up with Rhesus monkey that time. :help
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need i go on
No. :D
Out of interest, is there anything or anyone you actually think is any good at Richmond? :gotigers
ps Lounder was 1987. ;)
to answer your question above...
the whole team are very good and will only improve but the following are not up to it.
jay schultz
kane johnson
tivendale
hyde
pettifer
tambling
you can debate me all you like on this but if you actually think especially the first 4 on this list are going to get this team in the 4 you are kidding yourselves.
they have got to go and thats it..
tambling has 2 more years to develop but doesnt run or tackle enough
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what more do i want??
i want people like him to actually try 22 weeks in a year not the last 3 or 4 weeks of the season.
leon davis is a prime exampe. he plays hff and look at him run, chase and tackle. we have got no one that does those 3 things in our forward line.
pettifer is a good kick and good reciever. thats it nothing more. he is too slow and may be one of very few players we can trade worth anything.
Petts this year had 60 more possessions, 87 more marks and kicked 6 more goals (from 2 less games) than Leon Davis who is also a year older.
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Pettifer is part of the team,deal with it.
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what more do i want??
i want people like him to actually try 22 weeks in a year not the last 3 or 4 weeks of the season.
leon davis is a prime exampe. he plays hff and look at him run, chase and tackle. we have got no one that does those 3 things in our forward line.
pettifer is a good kick and good reciever. thats it nothing more. he is too slow and may be one of very few players we can trade worth anything.
Petts this year had 60 more possessions, 87 more marks and kicked 6 more goals (from 2 less games) than Leon Davis who is also a year older.
Hehehehehe! Leon who :rollin
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u keep kidding yourselves with the thought of petts helping us get into a top 4 spot in the coming years.
a good player he maybe at times but i feel he needs to do more
Next ur gonna tell me Jay Schulz should be signed up for another 5 years.
give me a break. in order to move forward guys like schulz, tivendale, hyde and krackour need to go...fact!!
our future is the likes of raines, thursfield, jumping jack, king, foley etc etc not these duds above
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mmmmkay ;D
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u keep kidding yourselves with the thought of petts helping us get into a top 4 spot in the coming years.
a good player he maybe at times but i feel he needs to do more
No one is disagreeing that Petts still needs do more but he's one of the last Tigers we need to worry about. It's in the midfield where all our problems start.
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Aww, come on mt. You were supposed to tell him that Schulz should be signed up for another 5 years. :D ???
Spoilsport.
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Aww, come on mt. You were supposed to tell him that Schulz should be signed up for another 5 years. :D ???
Spoilsport.
;D
We could give him a 10 year deal like Alistair Lynch had :lol.
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okay we agree on something, well sort of..
seriously tell me in all honesty who do u think we need to let go of in this team.
like to know your thoughts on tivendale and schultz??
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okay we agree on something, well sort of..
seriously tell me in all honesty who do u think we need to let go of in this team.
like to know your thoughts on tivendale and schultz??
It wouldn't surprise me if Schulz was traded but given we have so few talls (4 have retired) the club will probably hang onto him. Tivs won't be going anywhere. No other club would want him at his age although his year wasn't as bad as some tiger fans try to make out.
We've already let go due to retirements Gas, Hall, Knobel and Kingsley and Joel will take Gas' spot on the veterans list. So that's 4 spots free on our list. I would say Harts and Krakouer will be going to. That makes 6. Meyer, Moore, Paddy, Hyde are also out of contract and in the gun IMO. The number that leave will depend on how many rookies are promoted and how many draft picks we plan to use. The draft is not strong in depth so don't be surprised if we only use 4-5 picks plus the PSD pick.
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The draft is strong in depth so don't be surprised if we only use 4-5 picks plus the PSD pick.
I thought people were saying it was light on this year.
Anyone??
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The draft is strong in depth so don't be surprised if we only use 4-5 picks plus the PSD pick.
I thought people were saying it was light on this year.
Anyone??
Doh! What happens when you are rushing and leave the word "not" out lol :wallywink. Edited.
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Brian Royal's RFC player review
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls
Jarrad had a stress fracture in his leg, therefore had an injury-interrupted pre-season. He played three games but obviously needs to get a big pre-season into him so he can play at an elite level, because at the moment, if our kids are not absolutely cherry ripe they just can’t compete.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52550
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Brian Royal's RFC player review
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls
Jarrad had a stress fracture in his leg, therefore had an injury-interrupted pre-season. He played three games but obviously needs to get a big pre-season into him so he can play at an elite level, because at the moment, if our kids are not absolutely cherry ripe they just can’t compete.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52550
there is that damn word again "cherry ripe".
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Brian Royal's RFC player review
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls
Jarrad had a stress fracture in his leg, therefore had an injury-interrupted pre-season. He played three games but obviously needs to get a big pre-season into him so he can play at an elite level, because at the moment, if our kids are not absolutely cherry ripe they just can’t compete.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52550
Yeah nah.
there is that damn word again "cherry ripe".