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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 11, 2007, 10:55:11 AM
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Round 4
47 C Howat Richmond Richmond
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Does anyone know anything about C Howat?
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Does anyone know anything about C Howat?
nope, what club was he recruited from ;D
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:lol
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in all honesty i'm dissapointed with this selection, never was a fan of Howat
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ONE TWO THREE!
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH. :-[
Callinan>Hoawt for mature age rookie. :(
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ONE TWO THREE!
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH. :-[
Callinan>Hoawt for mature age rookie. :(
you can chuck in Shane Valenti and Dunn as better prospects than Howat
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A bit mixed about Howat.
On the plus side, he's a hard worker, right up there with guys like Foley. It shows that those who work hard will be rewarded.
On the negative side, he's just not an AFL talent. Too limited in the positions he plays, not enough impact and I personally don't see much scope for improvement.
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Howat is rubbish.
Dunn >>> Howat.
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This decision was made months ago.
Not sure why we'd keep hold of a player that we know is so one-sided and of a type we already have a lot of even if he's only cost us 4th pick in the rookie draft.
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In a word....
Perplexed :-\
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The only thing I can think of is he was picked up for a little insurance. Whilst he is one sided, he can play and has shown his ability albeit somewhat limited. Has anyone noticed that we now probably have the most experienced rookie list in the AFL? If that's not a short term insurance policy I don't know what is!
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The only thing I can think of is he was picked up for a little insurance. Whilst he is one sided, he can play and has shown his ability albeit somewhat limited. Has anyone noticed that we now probably have the most experienced rookie list in the AFL? If that's not a short term insurance policy I don't know what is!
Insurance? But why? He is a 23 yoa hack who won't make it as anything other as a C grade outside, one sided.
I would have thought Cotchin, Edwards, Morton types should are clearly ahead for our long term future. Even then - I'd rather be developing Collard, Collins, Casserly, Meyer etc. over bloody Howat.
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The only thing I can think of is he was picked up for a little insurance. Whilst he is one sided, he can play and has shown his ability albeit somewhat limited. Has anyone noticed that we now probably have the most experienced rookie list in the AFL? If that's not a short term insurance policy I don't know what is!
You're right tiga. Back up ruckman, back up key defender and a back-up mid. Collard is the only teen on our rookie list.
Still I would've thought mids are easier to find and replace :-\. The Club must have thought Callinan was too short for AFL.
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I'm guessing it is a moral issue.
I think Howat was taken because of the hard working model he provides. While he is limited in his play he almost won the NAB15 (or whatever it was called) through sheer determination and endevour. To cast him aside after working his ringer off may have a detremental effect on the young fellow coming in. I also believe he is well liked around the club.
But I think you are all correct, he is extremely limited in his ability, style of play, future improvement and future at the club. Unless he plays the season of his life he will be delisted next year for certain.
Waste of a place I think.
Stripes
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obviously they wanted for nobody else to have him :D
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obviously they wanted for nobody else to have him :D
;D
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Bizarre decision.
Howat is the epitome of mediocrity.
Surely we could have gotten another fresh face to the club. :-\
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Bizarre decision.
Howat is the epitome of mediocrity.
Surely we could have gotten another fresh face to the club. :-\
Don't understand why either but the Club was always going to re-rookie Cam if he didn't get picked up by someone else.
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I am still perplexed :-\
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At the end of 2004 Cam was a shining light. He is a bit limited in skill and play but his work ethic is excellent and no body can question his heart. As late as the end of the 2005 (or was it 2006) season people were calling for him to be promoted to the seniors and some felt it was tough that he remained on the rookie list.
I don't think Cam has changed much (maybe that's his problem) but the fact that people are now calling for his delistment (he must have been very close to not getting another go) and the fact that the club came close to moving him on, says volumes for the development of our list.
I sincerely hope the club does their utmost to find him a home next season. I don't think he will be with us but I think he would be good value at a club who needs his sort of player.
I take great heart from the fact that Cam no longer seems good enough for us.
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At the end of 2004 Cam was a shining light.
I take great heart from the fact that Cam no longer seems good enough for us.
Cam the man was not on the list in 2004.
He is apparently good enough for us, hence he was drafted. Why not take a punt on a highly rated young bloke who got cut like Freo's Dunn instead of a older proven hack?
Strange pick up.
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At the end of 2004 Cam was a shining light.
I take great heart from the fact that Cam no longer seems good enough for us.
Cam the man was not on the list in 2004.
He is apparently good enough for us, hence he was drafted. Why not take a punt on a highly rated young bloke who got cut like Freo's Dunn instead of a older proven hack?
Strange pick up.
Must have been the end of 2005 then, but I'm not sure that changes my point which is that Cam is now well and truly on the fringe of the team.
I refuse to look negatively at the situation. The football staff had plenty of time to assess the people we had training with us.
I too do not see the long term value in Howat, but I do not begrudge him his spot and I won't call him a hack because I know he will be down at the club training his guts out for the whole of 2008.
Evidence suggests our football staff may disagree with your assessment of Dunn.
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This is bizarre ::)
Surely they have seen enough of him to know if he is any good or not.
Bad decision to rookie him I reckon.
Sorry Terrible
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This is bizarre ::)
Surely they have seen enough of him to know if he is any good or not.
Bad decision to rookie him I reckon.
Sorry Terrible
pains me to say it, but you are absolutely correct IMHO. :banghead
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It saying too me that they are sitting on the fence with the kid where other players have had more than a fair chance and are still there ::)
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At the end of 2004 Cam was a shining light. He is a bit limited in skill and play but his work ethic is excellent and no body can question his heart. As late as the end of the 2005 (or was it 2006) season people were calling for him to be promoted to the seniors and some felt it was tough that he remained on the rookie list.
I don't think Cam has changed much (maybe that's his problem) but the fact that people are now calling for his delistment (he must have been very close to not getting another go) and the fact that the club came close to moving him on, says volumes for the development of our list.
I sincerely hope the club does their utmost to find him a home next season. I don't think he will be with us but I think he would be good value at a club who needs his sort of player.
I take great heart from the fact that Cam no longer seems good enough for us.
then tell me again why he is on our rookie list?
i have no problem with rewarding hard workers, but by the 3rd time i think its best to move on to a fresh face
the fact that howat wasnt drafted by another club says his worth as a player
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then tell me again why he is on our rookie list?
Don't know. I'm not a big one for making things up and getting worked up into a state over decisions made to which I do not have all the facts. My original post was merely an observation, take it or leave it. I can't be bothered worrying about why they used the last rookie draft pick on him. In the scheme of things it seems quite unimportant. You will probably need to ask someone at the club for an accurate answer to your question, though you may not like or agree with the answer.
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IMO, Cam's only fault is that he is one sided. I was one of a group of people who supported his move off the rookie list last time. I totally disagree with Bentleigh's comments. He is not rubbish, he can play. He is by no means a star or even a potential star but he is serviceable and can fill a hole if need be. He is well liked at the club and has an excellent work ethic which I'm sure will inspire some of the younger guys.
I can't see what the problem is with his selection as the 4th Rookie?? The club isn't stupid as shown by our excellent draft selections this year. We had a heap of potential youngsters under the microscope and obviously none of them were up to scratch. We so often ridicule the club for selecting rejects from other clubs so it baffles me as to why people here are regretting us not taken players like Ryley Dunn! ??? At least Cam has played on a semi-regular basis and even been in the top three players on the odd occasion. Just remember people he is a 4TH ROOKIE who has reasonable AFL experience which is an excellent insurance policy.
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he is crap
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In the RFC email it says Cam is a mature-age rookie. I thought he just qualified as a normal rookie by a month ???
CAM HOWAT: Rookie Draft pick No. 47
Recruited from: Richmond/Box Hill Hawks
Born: 30/1/85
Height: 182cm
Weight: 77kg
Has been retained as a mature-age rookie by the Tigers. Was promoted to the Club's senior list during the '07 season and went on to play 15 games, to add to the five he managed in late 2006. The hard-running left-footer was delisted at season's end, but continued to train impressively with the Club and was rewarded with one of the four rookie spots.
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he is a useless pick lets be honest. barely get a game next year in my book
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He won't play any games if he's not promoted.
Seeing you want to be honest, he's not a useless pick. He wouldn't have been taken by the club if he was.
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At the end of 2004 Cam was a shining light.
I take great heart from the fact that Cam no longer seems good enough for us.
Cam the man was not on the list in 2004.
He is apparently good enough for us, hence he was drafted. Why not take a punt on a highly rated young bloke who got cut like Freo's Dunn instead of a older proven hack?
Strange pick up.
Must have been the end of 2005 then, but I'm not sure that changes my point which is that Cam is now well and truly on the fringe of the team.
I refuse to look negatively at the situation. The football staff had plenty of time to assess the people we had training with us.
I too do not see the long term value in Howat, but I do not begrudge him his spot and I won't call him a hack because I know he will be down at the club training his guts out for the whole of 2008.
Evidence suggests our football staff may disagree with your assessment of Dunn.
If we are to inprove as a organisation in term of on feild success we cannot be redrafting proven fringe players, whom led us to 16th place on the ladder. He reminds me of a young Tivendale. Howat is comming into the 24yoa age group and won't get any better than he is. He is a plodder.
I don't rate Hyde in our best 25. Hyde > Tivendale > Howat.
It's great that Howat tries hard and runs hard at training but at the end of the day that means bugger all. If we are going to reward hard working players then let redraft Tim Flemming.
I fail to understand the reasoning behind Howats drafting. Does he offer superior long term to the Richmond Football club than a 18 year old? ie.
In summary I guess I would have liked a Casserly type to be backed to play Howats postion.
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his disposal is average at best and has only 1 or 2 good things about his game.
if ur not part of the solution of the tigers making the finals or top 4 then you shouldnt even get a game
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I fail to understand the reasoning behind Howats drafting. Does he offer superior long term to the Richmond Football club than a 18 year old?
I can't answer your question. Ring the club is all I can suggest. Perhaps you will be able to find someone who can explain. I'm sure they had their reasons.
I really wasn't trying to add to a debate over whether or not Cam should have been redrafted. I don't really care one way or another. I was just trying to make the point that his standing has decreased which I read as sign that the team is getting better as a whole. 2 years ago he was a favourite this year he's the butt of peoples stupid comments. ie. "he is crap." He was lucky to get re rookied and I have a feeling the club would not have minded him being picked up by someone else.
I see this as a positive indication about the state of our list.
I also have nothing against Cam and see not value in being rude about him (not a comment about you I don't think you were abusive).
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its just a step back imo after all the good drafting we did
4th round rookie pick might not mean or cost much but it couldve been used to better value
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who is being rude pal. i said he was crap. maybe i could've used a better word. u get the drift.
as said before he is a average fringe player at best and i for one is sick of seeing players like him who "try hard" and yet are pathetic at everything else.
we have soon too many of these players come through the doors at punt road and im over it.
move on
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Would RFC fans rather see Danny Meyer or Howat play next season?
Meyer: all the talent in the world but a softy gimp
Howat: tries hard but is a wacko
The differnce is Meyer might be good one day. Howatt wont'.
I relise it was only a 4th round rookie selection - but a rubbish one.
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I relise it was only a 4th round rookie selection - but a rubbish one.
The club obviously don't think so.
I'm pretty sure Cam would have actually been our first rookie picked, prior to the Rookie Draft due to him already being on our list. I think it works a bit like the Sydney and Brisbane rookies from NSW and Qld who are taken prior to the draft with late picks.
GM said the club had told Cam they would re-rookie him if he was overlooked by other clubs in the PSD. Good to see loyalty and sticking to a promise are evident at the club.
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I relise it was only a 4th round rookie selection - but a rubbish one.
The club obviously don't think so.
The clubs be gash for 25 years.
Don't really have the runs on the board for us to be accpeting their decisions with blind faith.
More so when it comes to cases such as (re)-drafted the like of Cam Howat.
all the best to the lad thou :cheers
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What runs on the board have you got for me to be accepting your decision that it's a rubbish pick?
I'll accept the club's decision, thanks. :) With blind faith too.
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What runs on the board have you got for me to be accepting your decision that it's a rubbish pick?
Howats current AFL carrer indicates to me that he will never be a good enough footballer to inprove the Richmond Tigers Football club, in any capacity.
He is too small in hight (small guys need to be class to get games), has a stick-like frame for a 23+yoa, frankly isn't that quick and only looks a good kick on his left because he is 100% one sided player who is at best a C grade winger link man and at best a 16 touch a game, poor manes Patrick Bowden-typ, below average back pocket. (whoms postion would be much better served developing a Connors/Raines/Casserly/Cotchin/Collard type futher - players who have the capacity to be 'good'.)
List wise (the current state our list wise the first and foremost thing should be rebuilding. How the fig is drafting Howat rebuilding?!) Howatt is an old player (a significant part of our list is 22 or younger) who isnt much chop. It is the Hyde, Moore types who should be in question. Frankly both those players show more than Howatt. If we retain Howatt and somehow he makes it as a 5 year player, I see him turning out very similar to Greg Tivendale 2002-2008ish. Clear example of a bloke who looks the good in the VFL but isnt a good enough to be a 25yo aged bloke on a AFL list.
Frankly, is that what we want moving forward? AFL has changed alot. You cant carry blokes who are getting into the midage brack unless they are quite good. The club would rather a developing kid. Howatt isnt going to be in the Newman/McMahon/Pettifer class, who even those 3 have some doubts.
As late a pick it was the rookie draft is littered with decent players that have come off the rookie list. Perhaps we can taken some Irish freak, or yet another project ruckman (Renton or Suvilien) has about as much chance as making it than Putt or Graham.
Wouldn't you rather a crack at finding another Foley or Thursfeild?
It's not a big thing but its symbolic of the club in the last couple decades.
I'll accept the club's decision, thanks. :) With blind faith too.
Are you going to fly your plane into the World Trade Center because it will bring you many virigins and will please your God? :bow
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Seems you misunderstood the question, even after you quoted it. ???
What runs on the board have you got for me to be accepting your decision that it's a rubbish pick? (over the club's decision)
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What runs on the board have you got for me to be accepting your decision that it's a rubbish pick?
Howats current AFL carrer indicates to me that he will never be a good enough footballer to inprove the Richmond Tigers Football club, in any capacity.
He is too small in hight (small guys need to be class to get games), has a stick-like frame for a 23+yoa, frankly isn't that quick and only looks a good kick on his left because he is 100% one sided player who is at best a C grade winger link man and at best a 16 touch a game, poor manes Patrick Bowden-typ, below average back pocket. (whoms postion would be much better served developing a Connors/Raines/Casserly/Cotchin/Collard type futher - players who have the capacity to be 'good'.)
List wise (the current state our list wise the first and foremost thing should be rebuilding. How the fig is drafting Howat rebuilding?!) Howatt is an old player (a significant part of our list is 22 or younger) who isnt much chop. It is the Hyde, Moore types who should be in question. Frankly both those players show more than Howatt. If we retain Howatt and somehow he makes it as a 5 year player, I see him turning out very similar to Greg Tivendale 2002-2008ish. Clear example of a bloke who looks the good in the VFL but isnt a good enough to be a 25yo aged bloke on a AFL list.
Frankly, is that what we want moving forward? AFL has changed alot. You cant carry blokes who are getting into the midage brack unless they are quite good. The club would rather a developing kid. Howatt isnt going to be in the Newman/McMahon/Pettifer class, who even those 3 have some doubts.
As late a pick it was the rookie draft is littered with decent players that have come off the rookie list. Perhaps we can taken some Irish freak, or yet another project ruckman (Renton or Suvilien) has about as much chance as making it than Putt or Graham.
Wouldn't you rather a crack at finding another Foley or Thursfeild?
It's not a big thing but its symbolic of the club in the last couple decades.
I'll accept the club's decision, thanks. :) With blind faith too.
Are you going to fly your plane into the World Trade Center because it will bring you many virigins and will please your God? :bow
i like this reply i really do. couldnt have put it better myself.
howatt is rubbish and will never improve the tigers going forward. i mean seriously arent all u members sick and tired of seeing the same old players get another chance at punt road. he is small, skinny hardly the best skills going around.
why the hell didnt they try someone else for crying out loud. useless pick for me!!!
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Not that I would have done it but the only explanation is Cam is insurance as tiga said. He'll only play if a senior midfielder suffers a long-term injury like Cogs did. Someone you can chuck in while still allowing the more talented yet unready cubs to develop at their own pace. I guess the question that could be asked is why choose Cam over say a untried Neville.
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Not that I would have done it but the only explanation is Cam is insurance as tiga said. He'll only play if a senior midfielder suffers a long-term injury like Cogs did. Someone you can chuck in while still allowing the more talented yet unready cubs to develop at their own pace. I guess the question that could be asked is why choose Cam over say a untried Neville.
Reckon you may have answered your own question there MT. You know what you're getting with Howat, give him a job and you know what you'll get at the top level. Neville. ??? Who knows? If the coaching staff are looking for insurance then Howat is the safe choice.
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Not that I would have done it but the only explanation is Cam is insurance as tiga said. He'll only play if a senior midfielder suffers a long-term injury like Cogs did. Someone you can chuck in while still allowing the more talented yet unready cubs to develop at their own pace. I guess the question that could be asked is why choose Cam over say a untried Neville.
Reckon you may have answered your own question there MT. You know what you're getting with Howat, give him a job and you know what you'll get at the top level. Neville. ??? Who knows? If the coaching staff are looking for insurance then Howat is the safe choice.
Yeah I probably have RROFO although the "you know what you're getting" bit could apply to both for and against Howat being re-rookied :-\.
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Yeah I probably have RROFO although the "you know what you're getting" bit could apply to both for and against Howat being re-rookied :-\.
Personally I wouldn't have re-rookied Howat. I like the boy because of his endevour but emotion shouldn't be involved in decisions like this. I don't believe the selection of Howat would have been through emotion. We have proved we will make the tough decisions. I can only think that our horror run with injuries may have shaken the coaching staff a bit. Cartledge is another possible example. I also don't know what happened at training between the ND and PSD. Perhaps the other possibles were truly pathetic. (You'd be in a better position than me to answer that question). I wasn't there so I don't know. I was surprised Neville trained with Melbourne.
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Yeah I probably have RROFO although the "you know what you're getting" bit could apply to both for and against Howat being re-rookied :-\.
Personally I wouldn't have re-rookied Howat. I like the boy because of his endevour but emotion shouldn't be involved in decisions like this. I don't believe the selection of Howat would have been through emotion. We have proved we will make the tough decisions. I can only think that our horror run with injuries may have shaken the coaching staff a bit. Cartledge is another possible example. I also don't know what happened at training between the ND and PSD. Perhaps the other possibles were truly pathetic. (You'd be in a better position than me to answer that question). I wasn't there so I don't know. I was surprised Neville trained with Melbourne.
I never saw Cartledge at the training sessions I went too but I can understand the Club overlooking Richards, Fanning and Sullivan based on what I said. In fact Fanning was probably the best out of the ruckmen training with us but that's not saying much. I have a suspicion that age had a lot to do with it a far as a ready-made ruckman. Cartledge was 22 whereas Richards (24) and Fanning (23) were ineligible to be drafted as normal rookies.
The fact we took three 22 year olds as rookies makes me think you're right RROFO about the coaching staff being spooked by injuries. You can't blame them btw given all the broken bones key players have suffered over the past 3 years :help. There's no guarantee Simmo or Cogs will play next year (fingers crossed they play all 22) and we're one Thursty injury away from being totally vunerable in defence. With Richmond it seems if there's one thing we hope doesn't happen then you can pretty much guarantee it will :P. We're building depth with so many cubs coming through but that depth won't be evident until at least 2-3 years time.
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Still perplexed :P
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Still perplexed :P
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Amen.