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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 12, 2008, 10:18:35 PM
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The Federal Government's formal apology to the stolen generations has been released publicly:
Today we honour the Indigenous peoples of this land, the oldest continuing cultures in human history.
We reflect on their past mistreatment.
We reflect in particular on the mistreatment of those who were stolen generations – this blemished chapter in our nation's history.
The time has now come for the nation to turn a new page in Australia's history by righting the wrongs of the past and so moving forward with confidence to the future.
We apologise for the laws and policies of successive Parliaments and governments that have inflicted profound grief, suffering and loss on these our fellow Australians.
We apologise especially for the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families, their communities and their country.
For the pain, suffering and hurt of these stolen generations, their descendants and for their families left behind, we say sorry.
To the mothers and the fathers, the brothers and the sisters, for the breaking up of families and communities, we say sorry.
And for the indignity and degradation thus inflicted on a proud people and a proud culture, we say sorry.
We the Parliament of Australia respectfully request that this apology be received in the spirit in which it is offered as part of the healing of the nation.
For the future we take heart; resolving that this new page in the history of our great continent can now be written.
We today take this first step by acknowledging the past and laying claim to a future that embraces all Australians.
A future where this Parliament resolves that the injustices of the past must never, never happen again.
A future where we harness the determination of all Australians, Indigenous and non-Indigenous, to close the gap that lies between us in life expectancy, educational achievement and economic opportunity.
A future where we embrace the possibility of new solutions to enduring problems where old approaches have failed.
A future based on mutual respect, mutual resolve and mutual responsibility.
A future where all Australians, whatever their origins, are truly equal partners, with equal opportunities and with an equal stake in shaping the next chapter in the history of this great country, Australia.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23204094-662,00.html
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A historic day.
Noticed Rudd mentioned every recent PM before him except little Johnny in his speech :whistle.
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A historic day.
Noticed Rudd mentioned every recent PM before him except little Johnny in his speech :whistle.
Fair enough too. So he shouldn't have.
For 10 years as PM John Howard would not apologise even though it was the first step of reparation in the recommendations of the 1997 "Bringing Them Home" report to do so.
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Little Johnny didn't even have the decency to turn up when the others did, so why would he mention him?
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lmao.
so what changes now?
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lmao.
so what changes now?
that's rather cynical ox >:(
On another note that Brendan Nelson is a sly dog isn't he, slipping in that members of the Stolen Generation didn't deserve monetary compensation because no money could make up for their sufferings. No wonder people were booing him during his speech
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Little Johnny didn't even have the decency to turn up when the others did, so why would he mention him?
Not saying Rudd should have Moi. Just that it was a clear dig at the former PM who believed it was all a myth and to show he is now irrelevant.
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The full speech is here:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23209929-5000117,00.html
To answer Ox's question:
Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson agreed to jointly chair with Mr Rudd a bipartisan commission, or "war cabinet", on indigenous policy. 'We're happy to help," Dr Nelson said.
The commission's first job will be to develop a new housing strategy for remote indigenous communities.
Mr Rudd promised to establish a new national partnership to:
* HALVE the gap between Aboriginal and non-indigenous infant mortality rates within a decade.
* HALVE the gap between black and white literacy, numeracy and employment rates and opportunities over 10 years.
* CLOSE the 17-year life-expectancy gap between Aborigines and other Australians within a generation.
* Before the election, Labor promised to fund an extra 200 teachers in the Northern Territory to help educate 2000 children who were not enrolled in school.
* About 4500 indigenous children are expected to benefit from the promise to ensure all Australian four-year-olds have access to 15 hours a week of kindergarten.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23210033-662,00.html
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Little Johnny didn't even have the decency to turn up when the others did, so why would he mention him?
Not saying Rudd should have Moi. Just that it was a clear dig at the former PM who believed it was all a myth and to show he is now irrelevant.
He is irrevelent. Life will go on without him :thumbsup
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He is irrevelent. Life will go on without him :thumbsup
Who? :lol
Seems Downer is bailing too. Pollies don't hang around long when their time at the top has past.
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Seems Downer is bailing too.
talk about irrelevance ::)
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I agree with Ox! What changes? I'm sure some of you may hate me for saying this but personally I think it was the biggest waste of time. The only thing I can see this doing is opening the doors for compensation. Some guy has already registered a claim in the courts today and one of his solicitors is from the Bernie Banton v James Hardie prosecution team .$$$$$to Solicitors. :help Friggin seagulls!
If we added up all the injustices that have occurred in the world over the past 500 years, everyone would be saying sorry to everyone else. Romans, Germans & Japanese in WWII, Spanish inquisition, Serbs Croats, Arabs & Jews, Greeks and the Turks and the Macedonians, The French in Canada, The British in America. The African slave trade, the genocide of the Tasmanian Aboriginals (Did we say sorry for that? Stolen generation vs no generation hmmmm). Need I go on??
Lets face it, Human beings are the most anti-social life form on this plant. Our whole existence is based on violence and injustices towards one another based purely on factors that define us to be different.
Do I believe what the government did at the time was wrong?? The answer is YES. Do I believe we should apologise?? My answer to that would be NO!
My English ancestor to this country was sent here by the British government for literally taking a small amount of food just so he could survive. He was taken from the people he loved, transported here, put in a penal colony, forced to build roads, beaten, flogged and all the good things a convict had to put up with in the day and to his credit made it out the other end by sheer luck and determination. Should I be demanding on behalf of my ancestors an apology from the British government?
Remember this, The word sorry means nothing. It's the actions that follow it that carry all the weight.
Whilst I'm juggling a political hot potato, it was ever so gracious of Kevin Rudd to put a wage increase freeze on his fellow parliamentarians! LMAOOOO. Gee that would save us bugger all in the grand scheme of things. How's that going to help me battle another interest rate rise and plenty more to come.
Its obvious that the reserve bank has no faith in the current governments fiscal policy or is that fecal policy especially when Wayne Swan rips out beauties like "This problem has been happening for a long time and it is going to take time to fix!!" Onya Wayne! :thumbsup In other words they have NFI on how to fix it so lets deflect with a token wage freeze on parliamentarians! :banghead 10% here we come!! :thumbsup :thumbsup Time to invest in bank shares. :lol I said in another thread here before the election that this Labor government will send us into a whole world of pain and we are well on the way.
This government needs to grow a backbone and start making tough and unpopular decisions rather than spinning around in Parliament house meeting rooms and chanting "I'm a little teapot, I'm a little teapot!". Howard was the most popular unpopular Prime Minister we ever had but all I can say is that my life was a hell of a lot better off under him than "Chuck Wood!"
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I was gunna stay out of this, but well said Tiga.
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what Australia needs to learn is to say IDGAF!
Most of us think it...
A young man like Richard Tambling is an example of breaking the cycle.
He's doing it on his own,without government payout and isn't crying for
compensation for his peoples history.
and he's a top bloke.
We need more Richard Tamblings from the other side before anything changes and they
have been a minority.
As soon as he becomes famous the mob will flock to him. ::)
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There is a difference between admitting sorrow and admitting responsibility.
If I say to someone I'm sorry your mother died it doesn't mean I knocked her off.
Admitting sorrow to a people who have been turned over by previous governments and have long memories is the first step in establishing trust.
As for the question of litigation - I really don't care. AFAIAC there are more important things than money - right and wrong, justice. This world will still be spinning in a few hundred years time and our ancestors will be very thankful for what was done.
Maybe that means you eating budget steak for a few weeks, but thats the price you pay in democracy.
Regarding the economy - I think a lot of experts accept that John Howard and Costello rode in on labor reforms in the 80's and early 90's and the Chinese boom anyway so there is no excuse for partisan political dribble, especially as it will take longer than a couple of months for a new government to bring its policies into action whilst still in the fading light of the desperate previous governments economy. I'm at least giving them a chance
http://cpd.org.au/node/4327
http://www.themonthly.com.au/tm/node/676
On this score, Howard and Costello have spent many productive hours assiduously establishing in the minds of voters a false association between Labor, budget deficits and high interest rates.
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I'm at least giving them a chance
No choice really, the people have spoken.
Which is really bad news for the Tigas of this world :rollin
Now if the Tiges could give Wallace another 5 years and pee off a few more people then I'll be a very happy girl lol
Labor & Wallace :thumbsup
:rollin
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Labor & Wallace :thumbsup
:rollin
What was it Jack Dyer said about voting Labor and barracking for the Tiges? :shh
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Labor & Wallace :thumbsup
:rollin
What was it Jack Dyer said about voting Labor and barracking for the Tiges? :shh
You tell us Jakey lol
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I believe that it was right that someone, oneday said sorry. But I don't believe that there should be compensation for it though.
I saw a story a long while ago on the ABC and it was all about the pommy kids taken from their families and bought over here. But they were told that their familes were dead.
So where's the sorry to them ?
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Its all about perception Jake. Yours is obviously far different to the guy who lodged the claim today. But that is a side issue which you have stated you care little for.
BTW, I still don't know how you fit budget steak into the debate on the sorry speech by Kevin Rudd.??? Maybe you should have put it in the bottom of your reply where it may have been in context. Personally I would rather eat snags than budget steak but thats for some other thread.
If you feel that Rudd's actions have somehow made this world a better place then bully for you! poo will still happen, The human race will still continue to do horrible things to each other. All you can do is look after your own patch and the people that matter to you blended with the odd good deed performed for a stranger. Personally I found it to be a hollow gesture from someone who has had no real connection to any of what had occurred. Do you think he locked himself in a room and felt genuine sorrow as he wrote the words to his speech? If you think that then you obviously don't know how Canberra works. There would have been many people involved in the writing of that speech. Were they all feeling genuine sorrow too or were they thinking "poo if I rip out some ball tearing copy for the Ruddster in this monumentous hour, my political future is assured! Every word would have been written with calculation for maximum political effect and for future political advancement whilst trying to appear empathetic. People don't go into politics to change THE world, they go into politics to change THEIR world. Our lives are determined by the side effects.
Call me a cynic, but everyone in Canberra has an agenda which is purely centered on themselves and nobody else.
Let me stress that I completely agree that many cruel injustices have been done to Indigenous Australians over the years including the stolen generation, I just feel that for the present and future generations something more substantial needs to be done rather than a speech of hollow words from a politician.
As Ox said, having your own people set a positive example is far more powerful than anything a politician can say.
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Howard was the most popular unpopular Prime Minister we ever had but all I can say is that my life was a hell of a lot better off under him than "Chuck Wood!"
Regarding interest rates rising - it would not matter who is in the power at federal level there is very little they can do about interest rates. If Johnny was still PM they would still have gone up. Our inflation is seeing to that. If the previous govt had not gone spend happy last year leading up to the election it would have had minimal impact
I will admit that the interest rises aren't affecting my family simple because 2 years ago I locked our mortgage into a fixed rate because I could see the rate rises coming. Interest rates, the economy - it's all cyclical
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I can't think of anyone more worthy of compensation than these poor people, as well as the kids who were taken from Britain for that matter.
Same as anyone who feels they've been wronged in some way and seeks redress in the courts, I don't see a problem with it.
I don't think it'll solve any problems of the Aboriginal plight, but if it makes someone happy, if anyone deserves it, they surely do.
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BTW, I still don't know how you fit budget steak into the debate on the sorry speech by Kevin Rudd.???
You brought up fiscal policy in your post Tiga. You tied it in via stating you would not want to see compensation and then for some reason proceded to speak about the new government's fiscal management (or mismanagement in your eyes). From what I read (please correct me if I'm wrong), you quite clearly see the possible economic consequences of this outweighing any possible social positives and see it as a dangerous trend of a fiscally reckless government. I don't. More than likely we'll have to agree to disagree.
I reckon there is now great scope to help a people who had given up on the previous government. More than that I quite simply believe in the value that if someone is done wrong they deserve our sorrow if it helps them get by. It overreaches any financial concerns or pressures I have.
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How about election promises.
These were the promises the government promised it would deliver and it did.
They were elected knowing Sorry would be on the agenda.
Unlike the previous government who brought in other goodies that weren't promised.
But that's another matter i guess.
Anyway, I would rather a government who had this kind of an agenda that helps our fellow man than the other mob that wanted to run everybody into the ground.
Re the cost of compensation. Say it cost $100M, that's $5 from every Australian. $5 well spent IMO.
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as diggler said on the other site RFC should say sorry to the lost generation of Tiger supporters.
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LOL :rollin another reason for the goverment to crash the country into recession & make the Australian HARD WORKING TAXPAYER pay & the blacks wont see half the money
it will be more broken promises which our children will be paying for in genrations to come & the fighting will go on & nothing will change comeback in 10 years we continue this decusssion if l'm still on this planet :rollin :rollin
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I can't think of anyone more worthy of compensation than these poor people, as well as the kids who were taken from Britain for that matter.
Same as anyone who feels they've been wronged in some way and seeks redress in the courts, I don't see a problem with it.
I don't think it'll solve any problems of the Aboriginal plight, but if it makes someone happy, if anyone deserves it, they surely do.
Yep. Same goes for the Asbestos victims with James Hardie.
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I can't think of anyone more worthy of compensation than these poor people, as well as the kids who were taken from Britain for that matter.
Same as anyone who feels they've been wronged in some way and seeks redress in the courts, I don't see a problem with it.
I don't think it'll solve any problems of the Aboriginal plight, but if it makes someone happy, if anyone deserves it, they surely do.
Yep. Same goes for the Asbestos victims with James Hardie.
Very gutsy man, Bernie :thumbsup
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I can't think of anyone more worthy of compensation than these poor people, as well as the kids who were taken from Britain for that matter.
Same as anyone who feels they've been wronged in some way and seeks redress in the courts, I don't see a problem with it.
I don't think it'll solve any problems of the Aboriginal plight, but if it makes someone happy, if anyone deserves it, they surely do.
Yep. Same goes for the Asbestos victims with James Hardie.
Yep I thought the call on Bernie was a bit rough before, but people on forums are real heroes ::)
Very gutsy man, Bernie :thumbsup
Yep he was, against a dog of a company.
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yep 1 very dead bernie hardly got a cent
Asbestos we use to kick it around in the power stations. l worked in it & around it all my life its everywhere down here & even in the housing everywhere
none of us will see a red cent dont kid yourselfs goverments & big companies never payout & if they ever do you near dead or dead to spend the money
Life is all about giving to your next generation beleive me
the stolen generation will never see a cent they get enough hand outs now why should they get anything else they not even forced to work & you cant tell me the goverment cant build a few factories to employ them
seen many off them offered jobs even by myself & they always reject the fact to work
but they can drink, smoke, & fight all day down here & get rest in the lockup every single day
As the goverment stated thier will be no compensation for them & any challenge will take years of legal systems time & l bet there is no records of anything & it will drag on & on & l hope my daughter is right in the mix in the legal wrangle & make a fortune off it helping them fight a lost cause :rollin
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Yep. Same goes for the Asbestos victims with James Hardie.
those james hardie money hungry c...nts should be thrown into jail for what they did.
no money can pay for the harm that caused
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Will we ever be able to take aboriginal children away from a disfunctional situation again?
Sometimes children need to be taken from their parents. The apology will condemn thousands of children in today's world. Read this article from a doctor who spent 8 years working in the Cape in remote communities. This is about today - not the past.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23222116-5013172,00.html (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23222116-5013172,00.html)
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The Big Footy Nazties again :-[
In the spirit of the recent sorry day, Richmond president Gary March has forwarded a letter to all Richmond members, to apologise for all their heartache, pain and humiliation over the past 20 years.
I move:
That today we honour the indigenous peoples of Punt Road, one of the oldest continuing losing cultures in human history.
We reflect on their past mistreatment.
We reflect in particular on the mistreatment of those who were Wallett generations - this blemished chapter in our club's history.
The time has now come for the club to turn a new page in the AFL's history by righting the wrongs of the past and so moving forward with confidence to the future.
We apologise for the drafts and club policies of successive Richmond boards and coaching staff that have inflicted profound grief, suffering and loss on these our fellow Tigers.
We apologise especially for the removal of Richard Tambling and Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls from their local clubs, their communities and their families, because that's where they should have stayed.
For the pain, suffering and hurt of these Wallett generations, their descendants and for their families who follow Richmond, we say sorry.
To the mothers and the fathers, the brothers and the sisters, for the breaking up of hope and faith, we say sorry.
And for the indignity and degradation thus inflicted on a proud supporter base and a proud culture, we say sorry.
We the board of Richmond respectfully request that this apology be received in the spirit in which it is offered as part of the healing of the Richmond Football Club.
For the future we take heart; resolving that this new page in the history of our great club can now be written...by 2012.
We today take this first step by acknowledging the past and laying claim to a future that embraces all Tigers into a winning culture...one day.
A future where this club resolves that the injustices of the past must never, never happen again.
We also apologise to those who were from the Frawley generation. For the humiliation they suffered and the sense of self loathing, we say sorry.
The apology looks to be well received by the club supporter base, however a sorry message from Andrew Demetriou saw supporters turn their back, following claims the clubs failures were half their fault anyway.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415797
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l could find many of these type of articals that happen down the Gippsland areas each day & we say sorry for what & get this in return how pathetic what a freaking joke
good thing is the goverment is going to fight this judges decission
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23236629-2862,00.html
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Tigermonk, why don't you go and join the Andrew Bolt forum and leave this one alone!
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why dont you stfu
l post where l like
if you dont like it dont venture on my posts quib
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Tigermonk, why don't you go and join the Andrew Bolt forum and leave this one alone!
haha andrew bolt. what a a-grade loser
johnny howard puppet