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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Moi on March 24, 2008, 05:13:59 PM
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That's all.
Nice of Channel 10 to dob him in :banghead
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You cant see what happened - Case dismissed .....
BF saying 3 weeks ???
Footage I saw showed no contact - could of fallen over in a sheppard ?
WTFisgoinon .........
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BF saying 3 weeks ???
Apparently the points are worth two weeks
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They just showed it again and you can not see any contact by Howat.
Whether right or wrong I can't figure it out. Please explain .....
I am all for going back to the old days of an eye for an eye ....if they want
But the Aussie Netball League is not like that anymore - IS IT ???
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They just showed it again and you can not see any contact by Howat.
Whether right or wrong I can't figure it out. Please explain .....
Yeah I found it when I watched the match again today. Happens just before Browny's goal at the end of the third quarter. Heartless, or whatever his name is, had beaten Howat in a contest about 30 seconds earlier. I don't know if Howat deliberately struck Heartless but he sure went down like a sack of poo, as you can see from the replay. I paused, went back and forward, and tried very hard to see exactly what happened and I can't make it out. I have a 50 inch hi def tv so I would expect to be able to make it out if it is possible. Spent 5 minutes or so looking at it. All I know is Howat was watching the ball not Heartless. I got the impression Heartless was bothering him so he may have slung his arm back to get rid of him, but that is just speculation. Unless he pleads guilty or admits to wrong doing I have no idea how he could possibly be convicted on that video footage. It is the AFL of course so expect the unexpected.
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If he pleads not guilty he'd have to admit striking him but claim it was accidently - the guy was obviously hit, was listed as suffering concussion after the game, and would have to give evidence - so depending on what the other guy says chances are Howat will get suspended.
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he obviously smacked him but if u cant see it in hi def
(and i imagine you scrutinised the stuff out of it)
then a not guilty plea would be the only intelligent thing to do.
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Im just glad he smacked one of the dog prix
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he obviously smacked him but if u cant see it in hi def
(and i imagine you scrutinised the eff out of it)
then a not guilty plea would be the only intelligent thing to do.
I suppose it is possible that there are other camera angles that we have not seen. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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i guess they screwed us when they put in the medical report
describing him as concussed...but then again,they allowed him to play concussed too.
Take on the system i say and if they rub him out we welcome him back with open arms for a
big game upon his return.
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Howat was left sprawled on the turf and needed to be carried off by two trainers while Hartlett stayed on and whacked Howat.
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Howat was left sprawled on the turf and needed to be carried off by two trainers while Hartlett stayed on and whacked Howat.
huh??? :lol
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AFL match review panel
5:10 PM Mon 24 March, 2008
RICHMOND’S Cam Howat can accept a two-match suspension with an early plea after being charged by the AFL Match Review Panel on Monday.
Howat was charged with a level four striking offence against Carlton key-position prospect Adam Hartlett during the third quarter of last Thursday’s season opener at the MCG.
The incident was assessed as intentional conduct (three points), medium impact (two points) and high contact (two points).
Hartlett also faces a similar stint on the sidelines after being charged with a striking offence. The 21-year-old can accept a two-match sanction with an early plea after the incident was assessed as intentional conduct (three points), medium impact (two points) and high contact (two points).
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=56760
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They showed both clip of the incidents again on FC. As RROFO said with Howat's one on Hartlett is impossible to tell what happened except you see Hartlett go down. The match review panel must have purely gone on Hartlett's concussion but that's not proof. Gary Lyon said Howat should appeal.
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:D
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They showed both clip of the incidents again on FC. As RROFO said with Howat's one on Hartlett is impossible to tell what happened except you see Hartlett go down. The match review panel must have purely gone on Hartlett's concussion but that's not proof. Gary Lyon said Howat should appeal.
He may have had some sort of fit for all we know looking at that footage.
Heartless thinks to himself, "OMG I play for Carlton!" and immediately faints. lol!
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Howat is challenging his charge.
I think he might go - the guy obviously got hit - will be innerestin to hear what Hartlett, who has accepted two weeks, has to say. Maybe he will say he was so concussed he can't remember ;)
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Soloman is also defending his charge.
He will just cut and paste from his previous 15 defence statements.
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Tiger Howat to go to tribunal
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23427243-11088,00.html
March 25, 2008 12:00am
RICHMOND'S Cam Howat will face the AFL Tribunal tonight after contesting a striking charge against him.
Howat was charged with hitting Carlton's Adam Hartlett in the third quarter of the Round 1 match at the MCG on Thursday.
The incident was assessed as intentional, medium impact and high contact and would earn Howat a three-match ban if found guilty. He would have been banned for two matches had he admitted the charge.
Harnett, meanwhile has accepted a two-game ban for hitting Howat in retaliation.
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We can't get Cam off but we're trying to cut the suspension down to 1 week by claiming contact was reckless rather than intentional. So it'll be either 1 or 3 weeks.
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Cam lost his appeal. Suspended for 3 weeks.
Just announced on SEN.
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Cam lost his appeal. Suspended for 3 weeks.
Just announced on SEN.
Cam cops 3, evidence seems very inconclusive. Hartlett takes the 2, evidence most definately conclusive. Did Hartlett break the player code at the tribunal when he didn`t have to?
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thats a joke, no real evidence, just more proof the afl hates us and loves carlscum
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Sucks. But that's the AFL for you. Expected nothing less.
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He should have taken the two weeks.
He shouldn't have hit him (behind play) in the first place.
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The footage is inconclusive but I'm not sure why Cam and the club appealed when he pleaded guilty for striking ???.
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"Howat pleaded guilty to striking Carlton's Adam Hartlett and failed in his bid to have the
charge downgraded from intentional to reckless. "
Apparantly he took advice from the captain - the club's leading clear thinker :thumbsup
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Howat, Solomon each cop extra week
Bruce Matthews | March 26, 2008
YOUNG Richmond midfielder Cameron Howat last night was suspended for three matches after pleading guilty to striking, despite having no recall of the offence.
Howat, who could have accepted two games, was hit with the extra penalty by the AFL Tribunal on the basis of an opposition club's medical report, inconclusive video evidence of a behind play incident and the accused player's vague recollection of the clash with Carlton's Adam Hartlett.
The panel, Emmett Dunne, Wayne Schimmelbusch and Wayne Henwood, delivered a harsh early season warning against rough play when Fremantle defender Dean Solomon gambled and lost, copping two matches for rough conduct against Collingwood's Shane Wakelin.
Howat will miss games against North Melbourne, Collingwood and Fremantle, while Solomon is out of Saturday's night home game against Hawthorn and the derby against West Coast.
Hartlett was ruled out of games against St Kilda and Essendon after he accepted a two-games penalty for striking Howat in the third quarter at the MCG last Thursday night.
Howat admitted to the tribunal that he struck Hartlett when trying to break a jumper hold in a clash a couple of minutes before the Tiger wingman was helped off in a groggy state.
He argued that his action against Hartlett was reckless rather than intentional, claiming he pushed his Blues opponent in a bid to get back into play. Accepting the match review panel's finding and a Carlton medical report that Hartlett complained of a sore jaw at three-quarter time, Howat told the hearing "there was contact, but it wasn't intentional.
"It's a harsh setback for Howat who was elevated from the rookie list only last week to replace injured draftee Trent Cotchin.
He told the hearing he remembered only parts of the first half and early in the third quarter and had no recollection of striking Hartlett to the head.
Asked by AFL legal counsel Andrew Tinney why he pleaded guilty, Howat replied: "It was a pushing motion which was deemed to be a striking motion.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23432393-19742,00.html
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Hartlett would do good in soccer where you are allowed to fall over and cry like a little baby. And it has worked for him as he has got the better end of the deal. And what he doen was twice as bad. As it has been said what else do we expect from the AFL. Carltanters are a endangered species so they have to looked after.
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Well done Cam :clapping :clapping
U :clapping
used to happen all the time in the 80s. :thumbsup
Dont let the negative media get u down son.
stuff Hartless- he deserved it.
Do it again if u have to. :gotigers
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He should have taken the two weeks.
He shouldn't have hit him (behind play) in the first place.
Correct .
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He should have taken the two weeks.
He shouldn't have hit him (behind play) in the first place.
Correct .
more gold from captain obvious :clapping
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He should have taken the two weeks.
He shouldn't have hit him (behind play) in the first place.
Correct .
more gold from captain obvious :clapping
FFS! Do the crime , do the time. Anyway, they found a jumper for you yet Blaisee? ::)
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So how many wins in a row do we need before you say something positive about TW?
8)
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The footage is inconclusive but I'm not sure why Cam and the club appealed when he pleaded guilty for striking ???.
that's what baffles me...he either hit Hartlett or he didn't and by admitting to striking he was always gonna get done by the tribunal. Considering the lack of footage it wasn't going to be downgraded after he admitted to the act :banghead
silly thing to do maybe, but a bit of mongrel doesn't go astray :thumbsup
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So how many wins in a row do we need before you say something positive about TW?
8)
Dont get too carried away, last week was 16th Vs 15th remember. ::)
And the first half was terrible by both teams, oh you forgot about that did you ::)
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The footage is inconclusive but I'm not sure why Cam and the club appealed when he pleaded guilty for striking ???.
that's what baffles me...he either hit Hartlett or he didn't and by admitting to striking he was always gonna get done by the tribunal. Considering the lack of footage it wasn't going to be downgraded after he admitted to the act :banghead
silly thing to do maybe, but a bit of mongrel doesn't go astray :thumbsup
I've been scratching my head over this one too. Was he trying for only 1 week? Was he hoping the charge being downgraded from deliberate to reckless would mean a lowering of the sentence. Was he upset that someone might have thought he meant to hit the guy? Can't help thinking the whole appeal was a mistake if he was going to plead guilty. What sort of appeal is that?
When I watched the video I could see Howat was watching the ball not Heartless when Heartless went down. I have no doubt Heartless was holding him and I have no doubt Howat lashed out without looking to get rid of the scragging prick. Reckless yes, deliberate no. Be that as it may he should have taken the deal if he felt he was guilty of the offence. The AFL are consistently unfair when it comes to these matters.
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The footage is inconclusive but I'm not sure why Cam and the club appealed when he pleaded guilty for striking ???.
that's what baffles me...he either hit Hartlett or he didn't and by admitting to striking he was always gonna get done by the tribunal. Considering the lack of footage it wasn't going to be downgraded after he admitted to the act :banghead
silly thing to do maybe, but a bit of mongrel doesn't go astray :thumbsup
I've been scratching my head over this one too. Was he trying for only 1 week? Was he hoping the charge being downgraded from deliberate to reckless would mean a lowering of the sentence. Was he upset that someone might have thought he meant to hit the guy? Can't help thinking the whole appeal was a mistake if he was going to plead guilty. What sort of appeal is that?
When I watched the video I could see Howat was watching the ball not Heartless when Heartless went down. I have no doubt Heartless was holding him and I have no doubt Howat lashed out without looking to get rid of the scragging prick. Reckless yes, deliberate no. Be that as it may he should have taken the deal if he felt he was guilty of the offence. The AFL are consistently unfair when it comes to these matters.
Cam was trying to downgrade the charge to one week but given it was off the ball once Cam admitted guilt to striking he was gone. The AFL aren't going to tolerate off the ball strikes especially as Carlton claimed Hartlett had concussion. There was inconclusive evidence whether Howat caused Hartlett's concussion until Cam pleaded guilty ???. Silly appeal.
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fact is he got what he deserved & he should have taken the 2 weeks instead of wasting time & money
have a rest for 3 weeks get some skill & manners
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Think this we will see of Howat in the yellow and black. Out for three weeks lets a youngster like Edwards in and he will struggle to break back in.
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Think this we will see of Howat in the yellow and black. Out for three weeks lets a youngster like Edwards in and he will struggle to break back in.
I was thinking that too. Feel a bit sorry for the guy. If I was him I'd be spending all my free time for the next 3 weeks kicking a ball with my right foot.
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Think this we will see of Howat in the yellow and black. Out for three weeks lets a youngster like Edwards in and he will struggle to break back in.
I was thinking that too. Feel a bit sorry for the guy. If I was him I'd be spending all my free time for the next 3 weeks kicking a ball with my right foot.
he has plenty of spare time, is continually on facebook :shh
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Administrator, please merge this thread with the "Are hardmen still in the AFL" thread.