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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 25, 2008, 04:15:24 AM
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According to BF - - Gerard Healy, Mike and Walls were on On The Couch last night and were debating whether Richo is one of the greatest 5 Tigers of all time.
Healy said yes Richo was and put up his Top 5 best ever Tigers:
Bartlett
Hart
Dyer
Richo
Titus
Mike and Walls both said no. The sticking point was Bourke.
Walls went on to say that Richo isn't a champion. A champion person but not a champion footballer.
Your Thoughts? (http://www.bigfooty.com/stuff[/url)
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Go down to the museum and you'll see that Richo has the biggest file of info about himself with the exception of Jack Dyer.
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According to BF - - Gerard Healy, Mike and Walls were on On The Couch last night and were debating whether Richo is one of the greatest 5 Tigers of all time.
Healy said yes Richo was and put up his Top 5 best ever Tigers:
Bartlett
Hart
Dyer
Richo
Titus
Mike and Walls both said no. The sticking point was Bourke.
Walls went on to say that Richo isn't a champion. A champion person but not a champion footballer.
Your Thoughts?
(http://www.bigfooty.com/stuff[/url)
The sticking point according to wallsy and sheehan is that richo has kicked the same amount of goals and played the same amount of games exactly to big sav. If big sav is not a champion then Richo doesnt deserve to be either. Also they argued that he has only won 1 b&f in 15 years and hasn`t come close to being a Premiership player.
They failed to mention Sav`s career spans two clubs to richos one and richo`s ability to recover better than ever from serious injury.eg the broken cheek last year.
Also they missed out on the fact that Richo brings the crowd in. Our ave. crowd wouldve been 10,000 if not for him last year.
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The sticking point according to wallsy and sheehan is that richo has kicked the same amount of goals and played the same amount of games exactly to big sav.
That's got to be the stupidest reasoning I've ever heard.
Richardson is in my top five.
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I find, with these things, that is is impossible to pick just five when you are talking about the best. We now have 100 years of history, considering the players we have had play for us how can you just narrow it down to five. Bourke is a sticking point? I can think of half a dozen more that have an equal claim on our top 5 without needing to stretch my memory at all. A stupid media question, subjective, with no correct answer.
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I find, with these things, that is is impossible to pick just five when you are talking about the best. We now have 100 years of history, considering the players we have had play for us how can you just narrow it down to five. Bourke is a sticking point? I can think of half a dozen more that have an equal claim on our top 5 without needing to stretch my memory at all. A stupid media question, subjective, with no correct answer.
Pretty good point you make there.
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The best
Royce Hart
Jack Dyer
Kevin Bartlett
Jack Titus
Roy Wright
The worst
Wayne Thornborrow
Adam Slater
Mark Stockdale
Alistair Scott
Mark Summers
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True RROFO. How can anyone let alone Mike and Walls judge say a Vic Thorp or any Tiger from the 20's, 30's and 40's without having seen them play. Dyer, Hart and KB probably are the 3 certainties in any top 5 but the last two spots are subjective. I wouldn't have Richo in our top 5 ever (Titus and Stewart the other two for mine) but he is a champion. Remember Richo played CHF most of his career so 740 odd goals by a CHF is that of a champion :thumbsup.
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Ian Stewart won the brownlow medal at his first year at richmond , after coming over from st.kilda. Fantastic effort. have to be one of the top 5.
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The best
Royce Hart
Jack Dyer
Kevin Bartlett
Jack Titus
Roy Wright
The worst
Wayne Thornborrow
Adam Slater
Mark Stockdale
Alistair Scott
Mark Summers
Where is Richard Lounder in your worst? No.1 draft pick and about 11 games, he`d be in mine
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He did kick four goals against North in a 37 point win in round 5 1989. There have been worse. The fact that he was a number 1 pick amplifies his mediocrity but definentely not the worst. Worst 5%, yes. Worst 5 no.
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He did kick four goals against North in a 37 point win in round 5 1989. There have been worse. The fact that he was a number 1 pick amplifies his mediocrity but definentely not the worst. Worst 5%, yes. Worst 5 no.
You may be right. To win a game with 4 goals in 1989 was a major achievment. Worst no.1 in history then?
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Walls went on to say that Richo isn't a champion. A champion person but not a champion footballer.
How does a nice bloke end up kicking 748 goals and being one of the greatest goal scorers of all time in the competition, let alone Richmond?
Because he's doing something right. If he was more accurate, he would have been the greatest.
BUT Titus has kicked more and deserves his spot.
Jack's and KB's records speak for themselves.
You could argue for Bill Morris with Roy Wright - who was the better ruckman? I didn't see either so I don't know.
Hart, arguably, one of the greatest of all time.
Hard to make a case for Matthew, but he's more than just a great bloke, he's a flawed genius IMO, but not one of our best five I don't think.
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He did kick four goals against North in a 37 point win in round 5 1989. There have been worse. The fact that he was a number 1 pick amplifies his mediocrity but definentely not the worst. Worst 5%, yes. Worst 5 no.
You may be right. To win a game with 4 goals in 1989 was a major achievment. Worst no.1 in history then?
Yes if not worst top 3 of mediocrity. Very very bad.
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Walls went on to say that Richo isn't a champion. A champion person but not a champion footballer.
How does a nice bloke end up kicking 748 goals and being one of the greatest goal scorers of all time in the competition, let alone Richmond?
Because he's doing something right. If he was more accurate, he would have been the greatest.
BUT Titus has kicked more and deserves his spot.
Jack's and KB's records speak for themselves.
You could argue for Bill Morris with Roy Wright - who was the better ruckman? I didn't see either so I don't know.
Hart, arguably, one of the greatest of all time.
Hard to make a case for Matthew, but he's more than just a great bloke, he's a flawed genius IMO, but not one of our best five I don't think.
Have to agree. I`d turn for richo and my wife wouldn`t get jealous, that`s how good he is. Bourky played in 3 flags? gotta be in! But if we boil down the last 25 years, Richo would have to be close to no.1? Well at least no.2 behind Flea? Interesting and more relevent discussion though!
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Mike's on 3aw now saying he isn't anti-Richo but Richo get knocks down because he's flawed in one area of the game (goalkicking). Yet he has Riewoldt at No.4 in his top 50 whose goalkicking is just as dodgy when it comes to crunch goals that need to be kicked. Richo also averages 3 goals per game compared to Reiwoldt's 2.
Russell said Richo was the dominant player with 5 goals and Mike goes "oh but he kicked them late". When the flying fish does it matter when you kick the goals when the game is still up for grabs :wallywink.
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Sheenan is a total wanker dont take any notice of him
top 5 tigers :thumbsup l was wondering how close Dale Weightman would go in his era
battling desease & dominating his position in State of origin football for Victoria & for Richmond
l hold this tiger high on my list at a time when there was many top footballers around
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Sheenan is a total wanker dont take any notice of him
top 5 tigers :thumbsup l was wondering how close Dale Weightman would go in his era
battling desease & dominating his position in State of origin football for Victoria & for Richmond
l hold this tiger high on my list at a time when there was many top footballers around
The Flea did hold the record for a very long time for the most amount of games played for Victoria, don`t know if he still does
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Sheenan is a total wanker dont take any notice of him
top 5 tigers :thumbsup l was wondering how close Dale Weightman would go in his era
battling desease & dominating his position in State of origin football for Victoria & for Richmond
l hold this tiger high on my list at a time when there was many top footballers around
The Flea did hold the record for a very long time for the most amount of games played for Victoria, don`t know if he still does
Flea played 20 SOO games.
Dale Weightman
Birth: October 3, 1959
Recruited from: Mildura Imperials
Height and weight: 170cm/69kg
Debut: 1 April 1978, Richmond vs. Carlton, at M.C.G.
275 games, 345 goals (1978-1993)
Richmond Premiership player: 1980
Richmond Captain: 1998-92
Richmond Best and Fairest 1986, 1987
Victorian Representative: 20 times
Victorian Captain: 1987, 1988, 1990
All Australian: 1985, 1986, 1988
EJ Whitten Medal: 1986, 1990
Simpson Medal: 1985
Tassie Medal: 1985
Richmond Team of the Century
Richmond - Hall of Fame - inducted 2002
Australian Football Hall of Fame Member
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Weightman
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Dale Weightman would be in my list. But in the worse list wouldn't you have to include a lame excuse of a captain like Kane Johnson in it, I know I would and he would be on top of it.
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Richo isn't top 5 at Richmond unless popularity and entertainment value are part of your criteria for greatness. They aren't for me.
Richo is clearly behind all these players:
1. Jack Dyer
2. Kevin Bartlett
3. Royce Hart
4. Jack Titus
5. Roy Wright
6. Francis Bourke
7. Dale Weightman
After that it becomes arguable.
But I'd still have the likes of Ian Stewart, Wayne Campbell and Matthew Knights ahead of him as well.
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After that it becomes arguable.
But I'd still have the likes of Ian Stewart, Wayne Campbell and Matthew Knights ahead of him as well.
Ian Stewart Yes. The other two I am not so sure about but I suppose that's why it's arguable. :D
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After that it becomes arguable.
But I'd still have the likes of Ian Stewart, Wayne Campbell and Matthew Knights ahead of him as well.
Ian Stewart Yes. The other two I am not so sure about but I suppose that's why it's arguable. :D
You could make a case for Richo over Campbell and Knights, definitely. Stewart was undoubtebly a better player, but he didn't play as long as Richo, and so if longevity means anything, Richo has to trump him on that criteria and so it becomes close.
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But I'd still have the likes of Ian Stewart, Wayne Campbell and Matthew Knights ahead of him as well.
And that your honour rests the defence for Cambo ;D.
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But I'd still have the likes of Ian Stewart, Wayne Campbell and Matthew Knights ahead of him as well.
And that your honour rests the defence for Cambo ;D.
Did you like the way I just slipped Cambo in after Ian Stewart, as if he was on the same level and belongs in the same sentence as him ? :thumbsup
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If you dont have a premiership medal, you're not in the top 5.
Flea has to be in anyone's top 5 ahead of Richo. So would Disco
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My 2 bob's worth.
I reckon there are 4 untouchables - Dyer, Bartlett, Bourke and Hart. When you consider the number of games they played, match winning ability, captaincy, coaching, best & fairest's, premierships etc they stand out. Number 5 is not so cut and dried. Richo, Weightman, Titus, Wright, Knights, Stewart, Roach, Campbell all have a strong case but some shortfalls when comparing them to the first 4. I think that considering achievements over a long career it's probably hard to go past Titus for number 5, beating Weightman by a short half head in a photo.
And as an interesting side fact, Titus played at full forward in a career spanning 18 seasons for 294 games (a stack of them were consecutive) and 970 goals - he was 175cm tall and weighed 66kgs! All this in an era when the toughest men played and ruled. And guess what his jumper number was for his whole career - 12!
:clapping
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A personal favourite of mine was ruckman Michael Green.
148 games, 83 goals and four flags (67, 69, 73 and 74)
:cheers
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A personal favourite of mine was ruckman Michael Green.
148 games, 83 goals and four flags (67, 69, 73 and 74)
:cheers
Such a hard job to judge players, especially of our premiership eras.
He was a great player, Mike, and overlooked a lot of times when he shouldn't :thumbsup
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Totally agree Green is a great but the fact that he missed a season in 72 b/c of his business interests and the Blues beat us in the Grannie may be something that those that judge these things may hold against him.
Roger Dean for me is another one stayed loyal in the bad times and was a captain of a premiership team that won from 4th loyal unassuming never took a backward step with leadership skills to boot. :thumbsup