One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on April 06, 2008, 05:56:51 PM
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Sadly its time to start again, whatever we have put together over the last 4 years is incapable of achieving any success. We need a full and complete cleanout of the player list again.
People talk about our young players, the problem is every other club seems to have better youngsters and seems to develop them better than us, the only exception is Melbourne.
We are the 2nd worst playing list in the competition and our only hope is early picks in 2008 even then we need to do another 3 or 4 year rebuilding job because we DO NOT have a core of young players that you can build a premiership team around.
Our playing style is the pits, our players are lazy, inept, they lack aggression, they dont want to succeed badly enough, they just wanna play and thats it- and that isnt good enough, the supporters put in there money and they deserve better.
We are a rabble, but we have one great strength, we have supporters and if we didnt have these supporters we would be dead or headed to the Gold Coast, everything else about the current RFC is a rabble.
Lastly, the club should find afew sponsors and payout the coaches, the club needs to remove Greg Miller from the board and his position needs to be looked at as well, I dont have anything personal against any member of the coaching staff or football department, Im just tired of watching this shti week after week after week and knowing that we are a long way away from any success.
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stuffen weak little girls.
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Like it or not, 98% of what Jackstar says is the truth. One thing he is wrong about though is round 12. It'll be sooner than that :lol
We could do worse than get Sheedy, he might bring in some old tiger passion (a la Northey) and give us a simple but effective gameplan.
Collingwood has no real star power, Cloke, Pendlebury and Thomas are on the way. You know what they do have, stability. If Malthouse needs a backman, ruckman (Wood), small forward (Medhurst), he will get them. Then he will keep them in that spot, if they're no good there he doesn't shuffle them about, he drops them, thing is Collingwood develop their guys that well that anyone can slot into that team and do a job. I think that comes down to the senior players as well, we have senior players, but they are clowns.
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Like it or not, 98% of what Jackstar says is the truth. One thing he is wrong about though is round 12. It'll be sooner than that :lol
I think that comes down to the senior players as well, we have senior players, but they are clowns.
Jacko and company have been proven correct year after year, but the cavalry always comes out to support and defend the indefensible. We are a rabble. As for your clown comments about our senior group, what can you say, the results speak for themselves.
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Wayne , I will explain something.
I took my 5 year old daughter today and she said to me, why when the tigers kick , why doesnt it go another tiger :o
I explained to her this, when we do kick the ball we dont kick it to another player.
Wayne, I watched with interest today the delivery of the ball from classy players like Didak, Thomas, the 2 Shaws, they hit targets all the time, Medhurst is a stuff I reckon.
And to see Thomas just set himself for that hanger over Bowden sats it all. Posters on here said that Thomas wasnt any good in another post, Thomas is a gun. Leon Davis is good too.
When we gain possesion, we try hard but the players that we have recruited arent up to it. I might also add the amount of handballs we have for the sake of having a handball is a joke. The game plan is absolutely disgraceful, problem we have that Plough wont listen to others and thinks he write ALL the time, I should know, lol
mate , I could go on and on, but what is the point.
You will only have another 9 rounds of watching Richmond play basketball, enjoy the next 9 weeks, wont be too bad I suppose we have Freo next week so we dont have to go
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Is Terry Wallace serious or what? Wholesale changes for this round so they bring in Tivs and then David King on 3aw says I would rather play kids than bring in a veteran or teach a seasoned campaigner a new position to play.
Ok we were garbage we all know that and it hurts but the same mistakes are being made.
Things that need to be done.
Blokes like Tivs Hyde should not play in the firsts again.
What is the deal with Hughrs Riewoldt Polak Schulz McGuane. What are these boys positions< Who is going to be a chb who is going to be a chf. Settle on this and play them there for the whole season otherwise we are not helping the players to find a niche and hindering the club on match day.
Nathan Brown has been disgusting this year cannot mark above his head has lost all pace needs to be dropped to shake things up.
Pettifer is awful drop him also. Just a softy plain and simple only cares when he is running past a player or running into goal. Typical soft forward.
Lids should be a permanent fwd and not wasted in the fwd pocket where the ball is delivered in a hospital fashion.
Bowden is looking disinterested. Needs a 200 volt socket up his anus to spur him into life or be dropped. Richo is all heart but that is about it as much as it pains me to say it
he is really struggling. Simmonds looks like he is on one lung and his impact has been so minimal we may as well bring back Ty Esler.
And what of Rance Gourdis perhaps it is time to throw them in the deep end and play them. I look at other clubs and they seem to play their draft picks early on throw them in the deep end to find out whether they can play at this level or not. Instead we ease these kids in play them 5 mins here 5 mins there where their impact is minimal and they get dropped to Coburg while we invest time and money and blokes like McMahon or seasoned campaigners who have failed at this level time and time again. Pies we hate them but they did finish 4th last year playing for the majority of the season kids in their first year. We do it the opposite way and hence we struggle.
Wallace spindoctoring has beset a cancer on this club you can see the "senior players" Bowden especially are not playing for the coach nor the club and once a gain in reality another coaches tenure is on borrowed time and 3 games into the season we are looking at bottom 2 and perhaps a priority pick. Another wasted season and a waste of emotion and effort. It is extremely dissatisfying having to sit through this awful skilless footy that we produce. No point Wallet trying to play high possession high skill footy with the players we have who have not got the skills to do this. Once again Wallace and Miller have failed us and recruits like McMahon are not the answer. Awful awful footy. Awful awful .
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McMahon has the ball and handballs to a player stationary 1 metre.
He is such a fantastic recruit. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead 3 years at $300,000 a year. Told you all on here he was scared and cant play. ::)
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Wayne , I will explain something.
I took my 5 year old daughter today and she said to me, why when the tigers kick , why doesnt it go another tiger :o
I explained to her this, when we do kick the ball we dont kick it to another player.
Wayne, I watched with interest today the delivery of the ball from classy players like Didak, Thomas, the 2 Shaws, they hit targets all the time, Medhurst is a stuff I reckon.
And to see Thomas just set himself for that hanger over Bowden sats it all. Posters on here said that Thomas wasnt any good in another post, Thomas is a gun. Leon Davis is good too.
When we gain possesion, we try hard but the players that we have recruited arent up to it. I might also add the amount of handballs we have for the sake of having a handball is a joke. The game plan is absolutely disgraceful, problem we have that Plough wont listen to others and thinks he write ALL the time, I should know, lol
mate , I could go on and on, but what is the point.
You will only have another 9 rounds of watching Richmond play basketball, enjoy the next 9 weeks, wont be too bad I suppose we have Freo next week so we dont have to go
and here I was thinking you were ga...
:shh
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Too much cancer at the footy club plain and simple on top of players who are unfit unskilled and poorly coached. I am sure most forumites here know who the cancerous ones are.
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we dont need to start again
we just have to make some tough decisions and stop playing serial offenders od being totally lazy, totally poo, totally stupid and totally demorilisisng
tiv had his chance(many chances) pee him off 4 good
tuck....welll we know why the hawkes peeed him off
sugar...lacks totally everything required to be a player let alpne a captain. gas him
richo... finished, has as much brains as mashed potato
brown...lazy, lost all his spark
pettifer....see brown but never had spark
polak.....slow in body and mind and soft
mcmahon..... why did we get him
simmonds......no presence, has nothing to offer, patto is now our no1 ruck and snake could learn alot from the junior
bowden.....cant beliebe i even thoight he could be a captain , send him to kindom come also
newman... not accountable and shows no respect for his opponents
white is not senior, but he is pathetic
all these above players should be dropped full stop and permantly and only get a game when the kids are injured. they should all be replaced by
all our kids and allowed to develop , they will at least have a dip
guys like rance, putt, riewoldt, edwards, collins, connors, mguane, gourdis, cotchin (when fit) casserly. even jon ffs should be playing ahead of all these pretenders we have gad wearing out jumper all these yrs
its about f time, greg miller was told to leave and never turn back
its about f time, that terry wallace swallowed some pride and realise his game plan is worse tham spuds, we went sideways more today than ever b4
its time terry stopped being a snag, grew some balls and got fricken angry
we dont tackle hard enough. we dont shephard enough, saw 3 shephards today , disgusting!
i saw blingers get dragged for kicking out on the full but never saw bowden get dragged
play the kids pee the senior group off and make deledio captain, foley vc and patto and blingers dvc's
terry has had 3.5 yrs now and is f up and showing too much latitude and respect for all our senior duds
SHOW SOME BALLS
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I agree that the MacMahon trade was a clear mistake. I also agree that our current style of play is not working for our current playing list but I think some of us a being a bit hard on our younger players.
What I do want to say is that our younger players do it hard, plain and simple. The reason for this is because, unlike most other teams, we don't have the senior players to take the pressure off the new recruits. In other teams they have players that absorb the best opposition taggers, defenders and forwards...we don't. Richo takes the best defender (and often the 2nd one too!) but who takes the best tagger? The best forward? etc etc Its our young players!
In another team would Foley and Lids we given the best tag? No they wouldn't. I'll use Murphy as an example. Last year Stevens took the No 1 tag at the start of the season and Murphy was heralded as a developing superstar and compared to Lids extremely favourably. Then Stevens was injuried and all of a sudden Murphy becasme the number one midfielder for Carlton and his form dropped considerably. This year Steven is back and Judd has been traded for so Carltons younger midfielder will appear to shine again but Foley and Lids...well they have no respite.
Whether all of our young players make it or not they are not poor players. In fact they are doing it hard and will continue to have to shoulder the load for years to come until all of a sudden, when Lids, Foley, Thursfield and the like are 24+, will appear to to be stars who come on quickly just as Collingwoods, Geelong etc draftees seem to have and it has everything to do with the senior players as little to do with the developing draftees.
So what I am trying to say is that we HAVE to wait (and I hate that we have to) because until our younger players have the size, experience and leadership to shield and shoulder the pressure then our 2nd and bottom tier players they will have no room to perform to the standard they could and potentially should.
So if we dump the coach and the whole list and begin again we will have to wait regardless because until we have the depth we will never see the results. If we are going to see any success this year we need our senior players to step up, shoulder the load and take the pressure off the younger players so they can start to shine...but unfortunately I don't think they can :(
Stripes
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im not having a dig at our younger players judt white he is a hack and just a right footed tivendale
all our senior players must be sacked full stop
including richo and brown
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I agree that the MacMahon trade was a clear mistake. I also agree that our current style of play is not working for our current playing list but I think some of us a being a bit hard on our younger players.
What I do want to say is that our younger players do it hard, plain and simple. The reason for this is because, unlike most other teams, we don't have the senior players to take the pressure off the new recruits. In other teams they have players that absorb the best opposition taggers, defenders and forwards...we don't. Richo takes the best defender (and often the 2nd one too!) but who takes the best tagger? The best forward? etc etc Its our young players!
In another team would Foley and Lids we given the best tag? No they wouldn't. I'll use Murphy as an example. Last year Stevens took the No 1 tag at the start of the season and Murphy was heralded as a developing superstar and compared to Lids extremely favourably. Then Stevens was injuried and all of a sudden Murphy becasme the number one midfielder for Carlton and his form dropped considerably. This year Steven is back and Judd has been traded for so Carltons younger midfielder will appear to shine again but Foley and Lids...well they have no respite.
Whether all of our young players make it or not they are not poor players. In fact they are doing it hard and will continue to have to shoulder the load for years to come until all of a sudden, when Lids, Foley, Thursfield and the like are 24+, will appear to to be stars who come on quickly just as Collingwoods, Geelong etc draftees seem to have and it has everything to do with the senior players as little to do with the developing draftees.
So what I am trying to say is that we HAVE to wait (and I hate that we have to) because until our younger players have the size, experience and leadership to shield and shoulder the pressure then our 2nd and bottom tier players they will have no room to perform to the standard they could and potentially should.
So if we dump the coach and the whole list and begin again we will have to wait regardless because until we have the depth we will never see the results. If we are going to see any success this year we need our senior players to step up, shoulder the load and take the pressure off the younger players so they can start to shine...but unfortunately I don't think they can :(
Spot on Stripes
And far far too much logic I am afraid to say ;) ;D
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Is Terry Wallace serious or what? Wholesale changes for this round so they bring in Tivs and then David King on 3aw says I would rather play kids than bring in a veteran or teach a seasoned campaigner a new position to play.
Ok we were garbage we all know that and it hurts but the same mistakes are being made.
Things that need to be done.
Blokes like Tivs Hyde should not play in the firsts again.
What is the deal with Hughrs Riewoldt Polak Schulz McGuane. What are these boys positions< Who is going to be a chb who is going to be a chf. Settle on this and play them there for the whole season otherwise we are not helping the players to find a niche and hindering the club on match day.
Nathan Brown has been disgusting this year cannot mark above his head has lost all pace needs to be dropped to shake things up.
Pettifer is awful drop him also. Just a softy plain and simple only cares when he is running past a player or running into goal. Typical soft forward.
Lids should be a permanent fwd and not wasted in the fwd pocket where the ball is delivered in a hospital fashion.
Bowden is looking disinterested. Needs a 200 volt socket up his anus to spur him into life or be dropped. Richo is all heart but that is about it as much as it pains me to say it
he is really struggling. Simmonds looks like he is on one lung and his impact has been so minimal we may as well bring back Ty Esler.
And what of Rance Gourdis perhaps it is time to throw them in the deep end and play them. I look at other clubs and they seem to play their draft picks early on throw them in the deep end to find out whether they can play at this level or not. Instead we ease these kids in play them 5 mins here 5 mins there where their impact is minimal and they get dropped to Coburg while we invest time and money and blokes like McMahon or seasoned campaigners who have failed at this level time and time again. Pies we hate them but they did finish 4th last year playing for the majority of the season kids in their first year. We do it the opposite way and hence we struggle.
Wallace spindoctoring has beset a cancer on this club you can see the "senior players" Bowden especially are not playing for the coach nor the club and once a gain in reality another coaches tenure is on borrowed time and 3 games into the season we are looking at bottom 2 and perhaps a priority pick. Another wasted season and a waste of emotion and effort. It is extremely dissatisfying having to sit through this awful skilless footy that we produce. No point Wallet trying to play high possession high skill footy with the players we have who have not got the skills to do this. Once again Wallace and Miller have failed us and recruits like McMahon are not the answer. Awful awful footy. Awful awful .
Well said. :clapping
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You cant seriously keep Wallet. Today was just disgraceful the way they tried to play.
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You cant seriously keep Wallet.
I think we have to Jack - the board wouldn't be the same if you didn't have Tezza to bag.... what would you do.... :rollin :rollin
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sack the senior group , then see about wallce
miller must be sacked asap
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Will there be anyone left ;D
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You cant seriously keep Wallet.
I think we have to Jack - the board wouldn't be the same if you didn't have Tezza to bag.... what would you do.... :rollin :rollin
Honestly, he cant coach.
The proof is in the pudding
What would I do ? Stand for the board ;)
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Will there be anyone left ;D
YEP WE HAVE PLANTY OF KIDS WHO WANT TO LEARN AND PLAY
sorry left caps on
pee the senior group off
moore, jay, thursty need more help down back, they are trying hard doing their job, but tools like bowden polak and newman are killingthem
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Vote one OERs own Jackstar!
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Boy, would I wield the axe. ;)
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What would I do ? Stand for the board ;)
You'd have to wear a suit to the footy Jack. :rollin
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I wear one to work 5 days a week.
No big deal.
At least i wouldnt walk around with a polo top over my casual clothes as I seen today. Oh well, at least he was showing his colours I suppose. Thought the comment he made when drawing the raffle wasnt too clever, better off saying nothing at all if you going to talk dribble eg swapping jumpers, WTF
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If we don't watch out everyone will be jumping off the bandwagon. Oh sorry we don't have a band and come to think of it we don't have a wagon. So what can they jump off ?
What I saw was a bunch of men and boys running around with no direction. When they kicked it was to no one or the opposition. It was laughable. But I wasn't laughing I was swearing at the box.
Is this a repeat of Danny Frawley, I hope not. Both promised us the world and deliver us an empty walet while there's has got bigger. we have to start to pay these players on a performance bacis, and I bet then we might get more out of some.
They better do something better next week or we will start to loose more than fringe supporters. I know I will stay no matter what. But its hard to walk about wear our gear week in and out with a team that has promise but shows nothing.
And I truely think this is coming from two places. One is the coach and the other is the captain. If neither one of these can lead the way then there should be a revolt and kick them both out and get some pr#ck in that can lead us to a win.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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At least i wouldnt walk around with a polo top over my casual clothes as I seen today. Oh well, at least he was showing his colours I suppose. Thought the comment he made when drawing the raffle wasnt too clever, better off saying nothing at all if you going to talk dribble eg swapping jumpers, WTF
::) ::) - struth is there anyone at the Club you wont have a go at.
It wasn't that big of deal.... it wasnt the worst thing to happen today i wouldn't have thought
:sleep :sleep
But you are right on one thing about not saying anything rather than talking dribble :thumbsup
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"The proof is in the pudding"
grrr - the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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At least i wouldnt walk around with a polo top over my casual clothes as I seen today. Oh well, at least he was showing his colours I suppose. Thought the comment he made when drawing the raffle wasnt too clever, better off saying nothing at all if you going to talk dribble eg swapping jumpers, WTF
::) ::) - struth is there anyone at the Club you wont have a go at.
It wasn't that big of deal.... it wasnt the worst thing to happen today i wouldn't have thought
:sleep :sleep
But you are right on one thing about not saying anything rather than talking dribble :thumbsup
WP , one thing about me, i am a good listening.i dont miss anything, lol ;)
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403 guests - at least you have an audience Jack - and 5 hidden members.... :scream
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sack the senior group , then see about wallce
miller must be sacked asap
I think that would only put more pressure on the younger players and hold up our progress further even though most of them are extremely disappointing.
While a wholesale cleanout would be damaging I do believe some players are actually causing our list and chance for success harm. These are no necessarily bad players but they are damaging to our future.
Bowden is a cancer at our club and regardless of how many possessions he gets he can not and will not follow the team goals or even play accountable football. As a defender this should be his utmost priority and as a leader he should not only be doing the team things but ensuring everyone else around him does so also.
Bowden is a midfielder/small forward, he was made a defender because we were desperate (and still are to a diminishing degree unfortunately) for experience in the backline. For all the benefits he brings to our team they are far outweighed but the negatives. IMHO Bowden needs to go.
Richo is holding back our forward line. Our young forwards still need to step up individually but just as importantly they need to learn how to work together as a forward team and Richo is stopping this.
Richo plays with visible passion and only has eyes for the ball. He knows how to run, lead, mark and kick and heaven help anyone who gets in his way regardless of what team they are in when he is trying to get the ball and get it through the posts. Unfortunately he can't work for other forwards, the concept is just foreign for him. He will never block another forwards defender to allow them room or lead away to create space or pull out of a marking contest to give another forward a better chance to mark etc etc etc
We need forwards who can learn each others game, learn how to get goals for the team together and work out how to best help each other. Richo is holding this process back.
Now even though Simmonds, Johnson, Tuck and Brown are underpreforming at the moment they are not holding back anyone. Their exclusion would only place more pressure on our already overburdened young players.
Stripes
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Another criticism of Wallace he sits there and talks about how young OUR LIST IS. Yet every week Carlton Collingwood Melbourne Essendon and other clubs keep on debuting players. We don't. We promote blokes like Tivvers Hyde etc whilst guys like Riewoldt Hughes Polo Rance Connors McGuane sit and run around in the 2's for forever and a day with very limited senior time before they get demoted again. No structure for quick nurturing at our club blokes like Rioli at Hawthorn Collingwood youngsters last year Brisbane youngsters get thrown in the deep end and get match hardened conditionally in game circumstances very quickly whilst our youngsters perform well at Coburg but struggle excessively at Richmond when they get 20-30 mins a game to show their wares. Again this may be the Deledio Franklin argument but even if we had got Franklin or Roughhead they would be duds at our club b/c the nurturing of young players is poor whereas other clubs who are more successful and a prepard to have short term pain for long term gain like Hawthorn Pies Brissy Geelong Port have excelled at this. The fish rots at the head and unfortunantely Miller and Wallace have overseen this poor nurturing of youngsters and have followed up the great failures Spud and his predecessors have given us. Wallace promised us 16 goals a game a skillful side a competitive side at the end of his five year tenure. Right now all he has done is he has a young list but he persists on playing guys who have had their chance at this level and furthermore we will be worse off when blokes like Richo Bowden go as they play in key positions with no one groomed from the youngsters to take over as their footy will have gone stagnant and backwards with this promotion demotion from Coburg to Richmond and no consistency. It is unfortunate that the club in theory has made some good decisions but in practice is still committing the same sins and failing in much the same way previous tenures have. I think Terry needs to bite the bullet and bite it now and he needs to swallow his pride. It is obvious his plans are not working and that the footy club is neither here nor there as there is no point having a young list when you don't play the kids then to suplement that you give up picks for players who were going to get delisted from their original clubs anyway and when you have the opportunity to play the kids you don't and you re instate seasoned players who never got the job done in the first place.
Wallet heard of Whitney Houston and her song greatest love of all? Just listen to the words briefly Hopkinsville Suntanned Goblin
I Believe that Children Are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they posses inside.
Give them a sense of pride
to make it easier
Let the players laughter
remind us all of how good we could be.
But you told us long ago
in 2011 the other teams will be in our shadow
but we'll fail we won't succeed
and you and Miller have let the club bleed
No matter what you do to me
Just resign and leave with dignity
Because the greatest, failure is happening to me
The greatest failure is plain there for all to see
the greatest failure since nine teen eiiiiiiiiighty three.
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If we don't watch out everyone will be jumping off the bandwagon. Oh sorry we don't have a band and come to think of it we don't have a wagon. So what can they jump off ?
What I saw was a bunch of men and boys running around with no direction. When they kicked it was to no one or the opposition. It was laughable. But I wasn't laughing I was swearing at the box.
Is this a repeat of Danny Frawley, I hope not. Both promised us the world and deliver us an empty walet while there's has got bigger. we have to start to pay these players on a performance bacis, and I bet then we might get more out of some.
They better do something better next week or we will start to loose more than fringe supporters. I know I will stay no matter what. But its hard to walk about wear our gear week in and out with a team that has promise but shows nothing.
And I truely think this is coming from two places. One is the coach and the other is the captain. If neither one of these can lead the way then there should be a revolt and kick them both out and get some pr#ck in that can lead us to a win.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Please don't liken TW to Frawley! Spud has ripped the heat out of our list (23 - 27 year old 'premiership age' players) and TW is at least trying to fix it. Whether he can coach or not (which I think he can btw) he has decided to take the tough path and rebuild regardless of the threat to his reputation and future chance for employment. Love him or hate him (Jackstar I'm talking to you here :)) you have to support at least what he is trying to achieve.
Rebuilding takes time especially when you senior players are either continuously injured, underperforming or have a bad attitude. :(
Stripes
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Another criticism of Wallace he sits there and talks about how young OUR LIST IS. Yet every week Carlton Collingwood Melbourne Essendon and other clubs keep on debuting players. We don't. We promote blokes like Tivvers Hyde etc whilst guys like Riewoldt Hughes Polo Rance Connors McGuane sit and run around in the 2's for forever and a day with very limited senior time before they get demoted again. No structure for quick nurturing at our club blokes like Rioli at Hawthorn Collingwood youngsters last year Brisbane youngsters get thrown in the deep end and get match hardened conditionally in game circumstances very quickly whilst our youngsters perform well at Coburg but struggle excessively at Richmond when they get 20-30 mins a game to show their wares. Again this may be the Deledio Franklin argument but even if we had got Franklin or Roughhead they would be duds at our club b/c the nurturing of young players is poor whereas other clubs who are more successful and a prepard to have short term pain for long term gain like Hawthorn Pies Brissy Geelong Port have excelled at this. The fish rots at the head and unfortunantely Miller and Wallace have overseen this poor nurturing of youngsters and have followed up the great failures Spud and his predecessors have given us. Wallace promised us 16 goals a game a skillful side a competitive side at the end of his five year tenure. Right now all he has done is he has a young list but he persists on playing guys who have had their chance at this level and furthermore we will be worse off when blokes like Richo Bowden go as they play in key positions with no one groomed from the youngsters to take over as their footy will have gone stagnant and backwards with this promotion demotion from Coburg to Richmond and no consistency. It is unfortunate that the club in theory has made some good decisions but in practice is still committing the same sins and failing in much the same way previous tenures have. I think Terry needs to bite the bullet and bite it now and he needs to swallow his pride. It is obvious his plans are not working and that the footy club is neither here nor there as there is no point having a young list when you don't play the kids then to suplement that you give up picks for players who were going to get delisted from their original clubs anyway and when you have the opportunity to play the kids you don't and you re instate seasoned players who never got the job done in the first place.
Wallet heard of Whitney Houston and her song greatest love of all? Just listen to the words briefly Hopkinsville Suntanned Goblin
I Believe that Children Are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they posses inside.
Give them a sense of pride
to make it easier
Let the players laughter
remind us all of how good we could be.
But you told us long ago
in 2011 the other teams will be in our shadow
but we'll fail we won't succeed
and you and Miller have let the club bleed
No matter what you do to me
Just resign and leave with dignity
Because the greatest, failure is happening to me
The greatest failure is plain there for all to see
the greatest failure since nine teen eiiiiiiiiighty three.
I'm guessing you didn't read my last post Hellenic Tiger 74 ?! ???
Stripes
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If we don't watch out everyone will be jumping off the bandwagon. Oh sorry we don't have a band and come to think of it we don't have a wagon. So what can they jump off ?
What I saw was a bunch of men and boys running around with no direction. When they kicked it was to no one or the opposition. It was laughable. But I wasn't laughing I was swearing at the box.
Is this a repeat of Danny Frawley, I hope not. Both promised us the world and deliver us an empty walet while there's has got bigger. we have to start to pay these players on a performance bacis, and I bet then we might get more out of some.
They better do something better next week or we will start to loose more than fringe supporters. I know I will stay no matter what. But its hard to walk about wear our gear week in and out with a team that has promise but shows nothing.
And I truely think this is coming from two places. One is the coach and the other is the captain. If neither one of these can lead the way then there should be a revolt and kick them both out and get some pr#ck in that can lead us to a win.
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Please don't liken TW to Frawley! Spud has ripped the heat out of our list (23 - 27 year old 'premiership age' players) and TW is at least trying to fix it. Whether he can coach or not (which I think he can btw) he has decided to take the tough path and rebuild regardless of the threat to his reputation and future chance for employment. Love him or hate him (Jackstar I'm talking to you here :)) you have to support at least what he is trying to achieve.
Rebuilding takes time especially when you senior players are either continuously injured, underperforming or have a bad attitude. :(
Stripes
That argument doesnt cut it this season. This ia Wallace's 4th year in charge.
You cant look at our rebuilding in isolation. The Hawks rebuilt and were a top 4 side in Clarkson's 3rd season. Did he get rid of Thompson and Hay or was it someone else?
Dod it take Laidely 10 years to rebuild the Roos into a top 4 side. How long did it take Roos at the Swans? Wallace may claim some credit, but Eade has the Dogs going in the right direction and he started coaching them same year as Wallace coached us
3 years to undo Frawley's damage I buy. We need to be making progress this season or there will be a lot more agreeing with Jackster by Round 12 that Wallace aint the man for the job.
Its too late to undoe it now and we need to see it through under Wallace and the 5 year plan he promised. But the way its going so far this season, we will need to start planning for the post Wallace era.
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No Stripes I read it and you make some very valid points especially the Bowden being a cancer now that struck a raw nerve with me and I totally agree with you.
I just think the kids need to be thrown into the deep end, If Wallace gets sacked either tomorrow morning in the pre season break or at the end of the year the kids will still have pressure on them and they will need to perform to keep their AFL careers. I think backs to the wall pressure with young kids provides a steep learning curve and a hardening in terms of match conditions. It will be sink or swim but if these kids can get through this acid test then they have the world at their feet.
Sure older blokes like Richo and co need to go also so that we have to force these kids to play.
Beacause these older players are past their best and some of them are cancers it is best to let these kids loose on their own rather than learning unsavoury bad habits from those so called cancerous individuals. So I guess we have a difference in opinion there Stripes from some of your other posts.
Read your post Stripes as I read all your posts as you always have incisive and valid points with honorable intentions regarding the RFC as we all do. :thumbsup We all share the same frustrations. :banghead
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sack the senior group , then see about wallce
miller must be sacked asap
genius
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Monday morning. Not feeling too clever. Depressed and TBH if there was a home game next week I'd probably give it a miss. Richmond FC are going nowhere and its the same old story. I don't know what to do. I should be resting up for work.
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At least i wouldnt walk around with a polo top over my casual clothes as I seen today. Oh well, at least he was showing his colours I suppose.
Exactly.
What will you pick on next lol
That top looked terrible I have to admit, but if he was willing to fail in the fashion stakes just so he can show his support for the club, can't be that bad.
Shows you how long I haven't hung around the club - didn't even know who he was :lol And I sat with him and his lovely wife all day - luckily I don't bag the club like some, otherwise I might be in a bit of trouble.
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WP , one thing about me, i am a good listening.i dont miss anything, lol ;)
Listening.... gotcha
Either do I ;) believe me either do I :thumbsup
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No Stripes I read it and you make some very valid points especially the Bowden being a cancer now that struck a raw nerve with me and I totally agree with you.
I just think the kids need to be thrown into the deep end, If Wallace gets sacked either tomorrow morning in the pre season break or at the end of the year the kids will still have pressure on them and they will need to perform to keep their AFL careers. I think backs to the wall pressure with young kids provides a steep learning curve and a hardening in terms of match conditions. It will be sink or swim but if these kids can get through this acid test then they have the world at their feet.
Sure older blokes like Richo and co need to go also so that we have to force these kids to play.
Beacause these older players are past their best and some of them are cancers it is best to let these kids loose on their own rather than learning unsavoury bad habits from those so called cancerous individuals. So I guess we have a difference in opinion there Stripes from some of your other posts.
Read your post Stripes as I read all your posts as you always have incisive and valid points with honorable intentions regarding the RFC as we all do. :thumbsup We all share the same frustrations. :banghead
I was probably a bit harsh with the 'cancer' label but I'm glad you understood the reference.
Yes I do share many of your frustrations about the players, style of play and even TW but I also don't want to go down any path that would potentially damage our future success just because of those frustrations.
Our young players are developing and are having to absorb the pressure much earlier than they would have in other teams. Whether we have TW at the helm or another coach we still have at least two years of pain ahead of us based on our list development at the moment.
Bushranger you mentioned many other clubs whose coaches have been able to 'rebuild' quickly. This is an illusion. They had the senior and mid-age players there already particularly the Roos, Dogs and Hawthorn. We don't. Without a group of mid-age or 'premiershipship age' players in a side they will crumble.
When TW first came on the seen he was able to motivate our senior players to play fair above their normal output. This is why we had immediate success. Now that they are aging, getting injured and losing motivation in some instances more and more of the load is having to be absorbed by our youth who, plain and simply, are not ready to shoulder that burden. The proof of that is in the results.
I am just as frustrated and angry as the rest of you about our current plight and am sick of waiting for success but unfortunately the facts are there - until we have enough players in that goldern age bracket we can expect more results like Sundays.
The worst thing for me is as our senior players drop off over the next 2 to 3 seasons unless our younger players can make a huge leap we will actually get worse before we suddenly get better.
2009 may be even be optomistic but I expect us to make the finals in 2010 and grow from then on. Then all of a sudden a new recruits will be superstars because they will have the same pressure as other clubs.
Oh to dream...
Stripes
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Like it or not, 98% of what Jackstar says is the truth. One thing he is wrong about though is round 12. It'll be sooner than that :lol
We could do worse than get Sheedy, he might bring in some old tiger passion (a la Northey) and give us a simple but effective gameplan.
Collingwood has no real star power, Cloke, Pendlebury and Thomas are on the way. You know what they do have, stability. If Malthouse needs a backman, ruckman (Wood), small forward (Medhurst), he will get them. Then he will keep them in that spot, if they're no good there he doesn't shuffle them about, he drops them, thing is Collingwood develop their guys that well that anyone can slot into that team and do a job. I think that comes down to the senior players as well, we have senior players, but they are clowns.
yep all there young guns spanked us, while our so called star draft picks walked
Richmond development has been poor standard for a decade, a club thats lives in the past while every other club passes it
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It was interesting reading a piece on a rival website.
It mentioned that Wallace inherited a team which had played finals. He then lead them to 3rd, 3rd, 6th, 8th, 10th, 13th. They got worse and worse every year.
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Thats because he lost half his football department due to financial reductions.The next coach took the team to the basement and hung there for years until Eade was employed with the Dogs admin learning from their previous financial blunder. You can't hope to compete against other clubs who have double the coaches and support.
In fact TW left the Dogs for that reason more than any other.
Eade inherited TW recruits :thumbsup while TW inherited Spuds :help.
Interesting figures all the same. ???
Stripes
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No point starting again if we continue our utterly disgraceful history of first round draft picking. It's been done to death I know, but:
Ottens (gone)
Fiora (gone)
Pettifer (ordinary)
Oakley-Nicholls (who?)
Meyer ???
Patterson (might be an average ruckman)
Tambling (gawd)
Deledio (might be OK one day)
Who have I missed?
Don't hold your breath on Cotchin if that group is anything to go by.
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No point starting again if we continue our utterly disgraceful history of first round draft picking. It's been done to death I know, but:
Ottens (gone)
Fiora (gone)
Pettifer (ordinary)
Oakley-Nicholls (who?)
Meyer ???
Patterson (might be an average ruckman)
Tambling (gawd)
Deledio (might be OK one day)
Who have I missed?
Don't hold your breath on Cotchin if that group is anything to go by.
l reckon Patto can play ok for his size & is a great 2nd Ruckman
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No point starting again if we continue our utterly disgraceful history of first round draft picking. It's been done to death I know, but:
Ottens (gone)
Fiora (gone)
Pettifer (ordinary)
Oakley-Nicholls (who?)
Meyer ???
Patterson (might be an average ruckman)
Tambling (gawd)
Deledio (might be OK one day)
Who have I missed?
Don't hold your breath on Cotchin if that group is anything to go by.
l reckon Patto can play ok for his size & is a great 2nd Ruckman
I agree Tigermonk, Patto continues to impress and beat larger experienced ruckman. It was nice to see him kick a couple of goals too. :)
Stripes
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patto is not a problem, he will be a very very handy and honest player for us
unlike simmonds, one hit wonder.
patto is our no 1 ruck and plays with heart
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lets hope the Hawks dont grab him off us
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Bump ;).
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We are rubbish. Delisted everyone. New board, new coach, new players.
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We are rubbish. Delisted everyone. New board, new coach, new players.
Lol, where do you want to start, lol
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We are rubbish. Delisted everyone. New board, new coach, new players.
Lol, where do you want to start, lol
Let's start with some of the back stabbing mongrels who say they are supporters.
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We have made some mistakes but we do have some decent players on our list all the same.