Time to start again!

[Ramps]

Sadly its time to start again, whatever we have put together over the last 4 years is incapable of achieving any success. We need a full and complete cleanout of the player list again.

People talk about our young players, the problem is every other club seems to have better youngsters and seems to develop them better than us, the only exception is Melbourne.

We are the 2nd worst playing list in the competition and our only hope is early picks in 2008 even then we need to do another 3 or 4 year rebuilding job because we DO NOT have a core of young players that you can build a premiership team around.

Our playing style is the pits, our players are lazy, inept, they lack aggression, they dont want to succeed badly enough, they just wanna play and thats it- and that isnt good enough, the supporters put in there money and they deserve better.

We are a rabble, but we have one great strength, we have supporters and if we didnt have these supporters we would be dead or headed to the Gold Coast, everything else about the current RFC is a rabble.

Lastly, the club should find afew sponsors and payout the coaches, the club needs to remove Greg Miller from the board and his position needs to be looked at as well, I dont have anything personal against any member of the coaching staff or football department, Im just tired of watching this shti week after week after week and knowing that we are a long way away from any success.

[Ox]

stuffen weak little girls.

[wayne]

Like it or not, 98% of what Jackstar says is the truth. One thing he is wrong about though is round 12. It'll be sooner than that 

We could do worse than get Sheedy, he might bring in some old tiger passion (a la Northey) and give us a simple but effective gameplan.

Collingwood has no real star power, Cloke, Pendlebury and Thomas are on the way. You know what they do have, stability. If Malthouse needs a backman, ruckman (Wood), small forward (Medhurst), he will get them. Then he will keep them in that spot, if they're no good there he doesn't shuffle them about, he drops them, thing is Collingwood develop their guys that well that anyone can slot into that team and do a job. I think that comes down to the senior players as well, we have senior players, but they are clowns.

[Ramps]

Like it or not, 98% of what Jackstar says is the truth. One thing he is wrong about though is round 12. It'll be sooner than that 

I think that comes down to the senior players as well, we have senior players, but they are clowns.

Jacko and company have been proven correct year after year, but the cavalry always comes out to support and defend the indefensible. We are a rabble. As for your clown comments about our senior group, what can you say, the results speak for themselves.

[Little Jackie]

Wayne , I will explain something.
I took my 5 year old daughter today and she said to me, why when the tigers kick , why doesnt it go another tiger
I explained to her this, when we do kick the ball we dont kick it to another player.

Wayne, I watched with interest today the delivery of the ball from classy players like Didak, Thomas, the 2 Shaws, they hit targets all the time, Medhurst is a stuff I reckon.
And to see Thomas just set himself for that hanger over Bowden sats it all. Posters on here said that Thomas wasnt any good in another post, Thomas is a gun. Leon Davis is good too.
When we gain possesion, we try hard but the players that we have recruited arent up to it. I might also add the amount of handballs we have for the sake of having a handball is a joke. The game plan is absolutely disgraceful, problem we have that Plough wont listen to others and thinks he write ALL the time, I should know, lol

mate , I could go on and on, but what is the point.
You will only have another 9 rounds of watching Richmond play basketball, enjoy the next 9  weeks, wont be too bad I suppose we have Freo next week so we dont have to go

[Hellenic Tiger]

Is Terry Wallace serious or what? Wholesale changes for this round so they bring in Tivs and then David King on 3aw says I would rather play kids than bring in a veteran or teach a seasoned campaigner a new position to play.
Ok we were garbage we all know that and it hurts but the same mistakes are being made.
Things that need to be done.
Blokes like Tivs Hyde should not play in the firsts again.
What is the deal with Hughrs Riewoldt Polak Schulz McGuane. What are these boys positions< Who is going to be a chb who is going to be a chf. Settle on this and play them there for the whole season otherwise we are not helping the players to find a niche and hindering the club on match day.
Nathan Brown has been disgusting this year cannot mark above his head has lost all pace needs to be dropped to shake things up.
Pettifer is awful drop him also. Just a softy plain and simple only cares when he is running past a player or running into goal. Typical soft forward.
Lids should be a permanent fwd and not wasted in the fwd pocket where the ball is delivered in a hospital fashion.
Bowden is looking disinterested. Needs a 200 volt socket up his anus to spur him into life or be dropped. Richo is all heart but that is about it as much as it pains me to say it
he is really struggling. Simmonds looks like he is on one lung and his impact has been so minimal we may as well bring back Ty Esler.
And what of Rance Gourdis perhaps it is time to throw them in the deep end and play them. I look at other clubs and they seem to play their draft picks early on throw them in the deep end to find out whether they can play at this level or not. Instead we ease these kids in play them 5 mins here 5 mins there where their impact is minimal and they get dropped to Coburg while we invest time and money and blokes like McMahon or seasoned campaigners who have failed at this level time and time again. Pies we hate them but they did finish 4th last year playing for the majority of the season kids in their first year. We do it the opposite way and hence we struggle.
Wallace spindoctoring has beset a cancer on this club you can see the "senior players" Bowden especially are not playing for the coach nor the club and once a gain in reality another coaches tenure is on borrowed time and 3 games into the season we are looking at bottom 2 and perhaps a priority pick. Another wasted season and a waste of emotion and effort. It is extremely dissatisfying having to sit through this awful skilless footy that we produce. No point Wallet trying to play high possession high skill footy with the players we have who have not got the skills to do this. Once again Wallace and Miller have failed us and recruits like McMahon are not the answer. Awful awful footy. Awful awful .

[Little Jackie]

McMahon has the ball and handballs to a player stationary 1 metre.
He is such a fantastic recruit. 3 years at $300,000 a year. Told you all on here he was scared and cant play.

[1965]

Wayne , I will explain something.
I took my 5 year old daughter today and she said to me, why when the tigers kick , why doesnt it go another tiger
I explained to her this, when we do kick the ball we dont kick it to another player.

Wayne, I watched with interest today the delivery of the ball from classy players like Didak, Thomas, the 2 Shaws, they hit targets all the time, Medhurst is a stuff I reckon.
And to see Thomas just set himself for that hanger over Bowden sats it all. Posters on here said that Thomas wasnt any good in another post, Thomas is a gun. Leon Davis is good too.
When we gain possesion, we try hard but the players that we have recruited arent up to it. I might also add the amount of handballs we have for the sake of having a handball is a joke. The game plan is absolutely disgraceful, problem we have that Plough wont listen to others and thinks he write ALL the time, I should know, lol

mate , I could go on and on, but what is the point.
You will only have another 9 rounds of watching Richmond play basketball, enjoy the next 9  weeks, wont be too bad I suppose we have Freo next week so we dont have to go

and here I was thinking you were ga...

 

[Hellenic Tiger]

Too much cancer at the footy club plain and simple on top of players who are unfit unskilled and poorly coached. I am sure most forumites here know who the cancerous ones are.

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we dont need to start again

we just have to make some tough decisions and stop playing serial offenders od being totally lazy, totally poo, totally stupid and totally demorilisisng

tiv had his chance(many chances) pee him off 4 good
tuck....welll we know why the hawkes peeed him off
sugar...lacks totally everything required to be a player let alpne a captain. gas him
richo... finished, has as much brains as mashed potato
brown...lazy, lost all his spark
pettifer....see brown but never had spark
polak.....slow in body and mind and soft
mcmahon..... why did we get him
simmonds......no presence, has nothing to offer, patto  is now our no1 ruck and snake could learn alot from the junior
bowden.....cant beliebe i even thoight he could be a captain , send him to kindom come also
newman... not accountable and shows no respect for his opponents
white is not senior, but he is pathetic

all these above players should be dropped full stop and permantly and only get a game when the kids are injured. they should all be replaced by
all our kids and allowed to develop , they will at least have a dip
guys like rance, putt, riewoldt, edwards, collins, connors, mguane, gourdis, cotchin (when fit) casserly. even jon ffs should be playing ahead of all these pretenders we have gad wearing out jumper all these yrs

its about f time, greg miller was told to leave and never turn back

its about f time, that terry wallace swallowed some pride and realise his game plan is worse tham spuds, we went sideways more today than ever b4
its time terry stopped being a snag, grew some balls and got fricken angry


we dont tackle hard enough. we dont shephard enough, saw 3 shephards today , disgusting!

i saw blingers get dragged for kicking out on the full but never saw bowden get dragged

play the kids pee the senior group off and make deledio captain, foley vc and patto and blingers dvc's

terry has had 3.5 yrs now and is f up and showing too much latitude and respect for all our senior duds

SHOW SOME BALLS

[Stripes]

I agree that the MacMahon trade was a clear mistake. I also agree that our current style of play is not working for our current playing list but I think some of us a being a bit hard on our younger players.

What I do want to say is that our younger players do it hard, plain and simple. The reason for this is because, unlike most other teams, we don't have the senior players to take the pressure off the new recruits. In other teams they have players that absorb the best opposition taggers, defenders and forwards...we don't. Richo takes the best defender (and often the 2nd one too!) but who takes the best tagger? The best forward? etc etc Its our young players!

In another team would Foley and Lids we given the best tag? No they wouldn't. I'll use Murphy as an example. Last year Stevens took the No 1 tag at the start of the season and Murphy was heralded as a developing superstar and compared to Lids extremely favourably. Then Stevens was injuried and all of a sudden Murphy becasme the number one midfielder for Carlton and his form dropped considerably. This year Steven is back and Judd has been traded for so Carltons younger midfielder will appear to shine again but Foley and Lids...well they have no respite.

Whether all of our young players make it or not they are not poor players. In fact they are doing it hard and will continue to have to shoulder the load for years to come until all of a sudden, when Lids, Foley, Thursfield and the like are 24+, will appear to to be stars who come on quickly just as Collingwoods, Geelong etc draftees seem to have and it has everything to do with the senior players as little to do with the developing draftees.

So what I am trying to say is that we HAVE to wait (and I hate that we have to) because until our younger players have the size, experience and leadership to shield and shoulder the pressure then our 2nd and bottom tier players they will have no room to perform to the standard they could and potentially should.

So if we dump the coach and the whole list and begin again we will have to wait regardless because until we have the depth we will never see the results. If we are going to see any success this year we need our senior players to step up, shoulder the load and take the pressure off the younger players so they can start to shine...but unfortunately I don't think they can

Stripes

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im not having a dig at our younger players judt white he is a hack and just a right footed tivendale

all our senior players must be sacked full stop

including richo and brown

[WilliamPowell]

I agree that the MacMahon trade was a clear mistake. I also agree that our current style of play is not working for our current playing list but I think some of us a being a bit hard on our younger players.

What I do want to say is that our younger players do it hard, plain and simple. The reason for this is because, unlike most other teams, we don't have the senior players to take the pressure off the new recruits. In other teams they have players that absorb the best opposition taggers, defenders and forwards...we don't. Richo takes the best defender (and often the 2nd one too!) but who takes the best tagger? The best forward? etc etc Its our young players!

In another team would Foley and Lids we given the best tag? No they wouldn't. I'll use Murphy as an example. Last year Stevens took the No 1 tag at the start of the season and Murphy was heralded as a developing superstar and compared to Lids extremely favourably. Then Stevens was injuried and all of a sudden Murphy becasme the number one midfielder for Carlton and his form dropped considerably. This year Steven is back and Judd has been traded for so Carltons younger midfielder will appear to shine again but Foley and Lids...well they have no respite.

Whether all of our young players make it or not they are not poor players. In fact they are doing it hard and will continue to have to shoulder the load for years to come until all of a sudden, when Lids, Foley, Thursfield and the like are 24+, will appear to to be stars who come on quickly just as Collingwoods, Geelong etc draftees seem to have and it has everything to do with the senior players as little to do with the developing draftees.

So what I am trying to say is that we HAVE to wait (and I hate that we have to) because until our younger players have the size, experience and leadership to shield and shoulder the pressure then our 2nd and bottom tier players they will have no room to perform to the standard they could and potentially should.

So if we dump the coach and the whole list and begin again we will have to wait regardless because until we have the depth we will never see the results. If we are going to see any success this year we need our senior players to step up, shoulder the load and take the pressure off the younger players so they can start to shine...but unfortunately I don't think they can

Spot on Stripes

And far far too much logic I am afraid to say 

[Bateman]

Is Terry Wallace serious or what? Wholesale changes for this round so they bring in Tivs and then David King on 3aw says I would rather play kids than bring in a veteran or teach a seasoned campaigner a new position to play.
Ok we were garbage we all know that and it hurts but the same mistakes are being made.
Things that need to be done.
Blokes like Tivs Hyde should not play in the firsts again.
What is the deal with Hughrs Riewoldt Polak Schulz McGuane. What are these boys positions< Who is going to be a chb who is going to be a chf. Settle on this and play them there for the whole season otherwise we are not helping the players to find a niche and hindering the club on match day.
Nathan Brown has been disgusting this year cannot mark above his head has lost all pace needs to be dropped to shake things up.
Pettifer is awful drop him also. Just a softy plain and simple only cares when he is running past a player or running into goal. Typical soft forward.
Lids should be a permanent fwd and not wasted in the fwd pocket where the ball is delivered in a hospital fashion.
Bowden is looking disinterested. Needs a 200 volt socket up his anus to spur him into life or be dropped. Richo is all heart but that is about it as much as it pains me to say it
he is really struggling. Simmonds looks like he is on one lung and his impact has been so minimal we may as well bring back Ty Esler.
And what of Rance Gourdis perhaps it is time to throw them in the deep end and play them. I look at other clubs and they seem to play their draft picks early on throw them in the deep end to find out whether they can play at this level or not. Instead we ease these kids in play them 5 mins here 5 mins there where their impact is minimal and they get dropped to Coburg while we invest time and money and blokes like McMahon or seasoned campaigners who have failed at this level time and time again. Pies we hate them but they did finish 4th last year playing for the majority of the season kids in their first year. We do it the opposite way and hence we struggle.
Wallace spindoctoring has beset a cancer on this club you can see the "senior players" Bowden especially are not playing for the coach nor the club and once a gain in reality another coaches tenure is on borrowed time and 3 games into the season we are looking at bottom 2 and perhaps a priority pick. Another wasted season and a waste of emotion and effort. It is extremely dissatisfying having to sit through this awful skilless footy that we produce. No point Wallet trying to play high possession high skill footy with the players we have who have not got the skills to do this. Once again Wallace and Miller have failed us and recruits like McMahon are not the answer. Awful awful footy. Awful awful .

Well said. 

[Little Jackie]

You cant seriously keep Wallet. Today was just disgraceful the way they tried to play.