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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Go Richo 12 on April 13, 2008, 08:01:39 PM
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Todays very even performance,and that of Bowden`s yesterday, poses a few questions.
Will he come back in? and who will make way? Probably Chris Hyde again. Good to see Tiv in the background singing the song with gusto.
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NO
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Probably will get recalled. Hope Hughes and Connors get the nod before him though
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Shouldnt come back in, only chance would be for McGuane???????????????????
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Hyde should not be dropped on his stats alone.
Kicks 6
Handballs 7
Possesions 13
Marks 4
Goals 3
Behinds 0
4.3 possesions per goal
If Chris can play a similar role next week he could be able to stabilise a running goal kicking player role .
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Miller said today Joel's no certainty to come in. He did everything asked of him. He was first in the rooms, talking it up as a leader should and he got 37 possessions but it's going to be a difficult decision for the match committee to fit him in.
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It's a good sign isn't it, a battle for places is starting to unfold at Tigerland 'I said starting'
Good that if these blokes get dropped for dropping off, they do not get an instant get out of jail free card.
Think Joel is in our best 22, but gee it would be hard to drop someone ....... :gotigers
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jackson/any of the seniors.
Bowden is a momentum killer.
Yesterday made it quite clear- we play football without him.
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You would hope there'll be minimal changes after dishing out a 10 goal flogging. McGuane maybe and that's only because of his shoulder if it doesn't come up (wasn't Luke on Tarrant?).
Make this week a warning and an example to every Tiger that if you drop away in intensity or get suspended then don't expect to just walk back into the side as someone else will take your place and hold onto it. There's no reason why Joel, Petts or Howat should come straight back into a side that won by 64 points and had 22 contributors.
So no change for me if everyone is fit. If McGuane is out injured then I guess Joel comes in.
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You would hope there'll be minimal changes after dishing out a 10 goal flogging. McGuane maybe and that's only because of his shoulder if it doesn't come up (wasn't Luke on Tarrant?).
Make this week a warning and an example to every Tiger that if you drop away in intensity or get suspended then don't expect to just walk back into the side as someone else will take your place and hold onto it. There's no reason why Joel, Petts or Howat should come straight back into a side that won by 64 points and had 22 contributors.
So no change for me if everyone is fit. If McGuane is out injured then I guess Joel comes in.
Put Polak down back and bring Cleve in. (if McGuane is out)
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Put Polak down back and bring Cleve in. (if McGuane is out)
I reckon Polak is much more suited up forward. With Richo out of the way on Sunday he straightened us up considerably and allowed the whole team to function as a unit, instead of being uber-focused on Richo. I think that this helped the guys coming in from Coburg (especially Reiwoldt) by basically replicating the function and structure that they have been playing under and they didn't need to spend every moment trying to second guess what the hell they were supposed to be doing in our normally dysfunctional, one-of-a-kind, senior forward line.
And I'm not down on Richo - actually the opposite. I think he was much more value to the team effort in his role on Sunday and I don't see one good reason why that should change for the remainder of the season. The time has come to play our future and we make it a win win if we can get the same output from Richo in that type of role for the rest of his career.
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Mcguane has a stinger will be right apparently.
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You would hope there'll be minimal changes after dishing out a 10 goal flogging. McGuane maybe and that's only because of his shoulder if it doesn't come up (wasn't Luke on Tarrant?).
Make this week a warning and an example to every Tiger that if you drop away in intensity or get suspended then don't expect to just walk back into the side as someone else will take your place and hold onto it. There's no reason why Joel, Petts or Howat should come straight back into a side that won by 64 points and had 22 contributors.
So no change for me if everyone is fit. If McGuane is out injured then I guess Joel comes in.
Put Polak down back and bring Cleve in. (if McGuane is out)
I don't have much confidence in Polly when he is in defence in terms of keeping up with a hard leading forward. The doggies have quick forwards too.
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Not only shouldnt Bowden come into the team but no-one else should either barring the obvious injury etc. At last we had 22 solid contributors that should get the chance to do it again.
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no no and no. what example does it set too 22 players who busted their gut and smashed freo.
stuff him let him play at coburg for another week.
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seriously come on you lot, this is a club as a unit & changes are made to suit the game plan against the opposition
you cannot go into every game without planning & sometimes changes are forced
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seriously come on you lot, this is a club as a unit & changes are made to suit the game plan against the opposition
you cannot go into every game without planning & sometimes changes are forced
your right TM but tell me what advantage there would be bringing Bowden into the line up against the Doggies. IMO the running game we had last week far outweighs the possesion game that Bowden likes to be a part of.
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I hate to even think it but with the smaller Telstra Dome ground, the running style we employed so effectively against the Purple Haze will be far less effective. We may need bigger players as I'm guessing be more pack play/contested football due to the reduced room on the ground to run into.
I would prefer if Bowden remained in the 2's but I can begrudgingly see the logic if he is included.
Stripes
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I'm just wondering if Joel's gone off the boil since his Brother's departure at the end of last year...
Still I'd bring him straight back in. Too dgood to leave at Coburg.
McGuane out.
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seriously come on you lot, this is a club as a unit & changes are made to suit the game plan against the opposition
you cannot go into every game without planning & sometimes changes are forced
That's true TM but for the long term I think a message needs to be sent to the group that if you lose your spot then you're at risk at spending time at Coburg if others perform. Remember Richmond won with 22 contributors while Coburg lost coughing up another big lead with Joel in their side.
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Only the squad for Sunday trained today so it was the 22 of last week plus Jacko, Joel, Tivs, Petts and Howat. Petts had a small bandage around his leg just above his right knee so he might have a niggle. With Cam missing 3 weeks, I guessing the ins will be Joel, Tivs and Jacko and no outs (McGuane is fine).
Gus also trained to catch up on match fitness but you'd expect him to be coming back via Coburg.
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Miller on SEN
Joel was very good on the weekend at Coburg as you'd expect but it's hard for him given the performance of the (Richmond) side. SEN presuming that means Joel won't play.
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and he should not play!
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nup stuff him. another week at coburg then im sure he will earn his spot back in the side
sick of the senior players who dont perform get a jumper every week.
on that note i dont want to see petts again wearing the yellow and black.
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Just say Miller and Ryan O'Connor are now aware of what some supporters at training thought of Joel's game at Coburg lol and that there should be no changes this week. O'Connor said he thought Joel was very good and it's hard for supporters to know the specific roles the coach gives players.
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Surprised he wasn't recalled.
Big call by Wallace..
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Rawlings said in EOTT that Joel still needs to tighten up defensively. That might have something to do with it.
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Caro asked David King about Joel too
* Joel is a required player and got his touch back at Coburg with 37 touches. It's back luck for him that the side had a big win and he can't get back in. A message to every player in the senior side.
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A bit more as a caller asked Kingy a couple of quiestions about Joel
* Was Joel a loose man at Coburg?
Played CHB last week so was matched-up which showed how good he was getting 37 touches.
* Why was Joel named in the first 18 when he wasn't playing?
We had Joel in our squad last week and he was in the side right up until the match committee decided on our final 22.
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A bit more as a caller asked Kingy a couple of quiestions about Joel
* Was Joel a loose man at Coburg?
Played CHB last week so was matched-up which showed how good he was getting 37 touches.
* Why was Joel named in the first 18 when he wasn't playing?
We had Joel in our squad last week and he was in the side right up until the match committee decided on our final 22.
Bog for the dog poos again today should see him back in next week regardless of the result tomorrow. What does a man need to do?
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CMon Wallace, cost me big money for dreamteam and costing me valuable points.
Will have to trade soon - prik :banghead ;D
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;D back next week :thumbsup
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A bit more as a caller asked Kingy a couple of quiestions about Joel
* Was Joel a loose man at Coburg?
Played CHB last week so was matched-up which showed how good he was getting 37 touches.
and wasn't recalled. WTF? :-\
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Caro gave Joel 3aw's "chop" tonight. She said Richmond is going well so leave him in the VFL at least for another week.
Healy said if Joel does come back it'll be as a forward.
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Tigers keep the faith
Rebecca Williams | April 26, 2008 12:00am
RICHMOND defender Joel Bowden will have to bide his time for at least another week after missing the Tigers' clash against Hawthorn at the MCG tomorrow.
The Tigers confirmed an unchanged line-up from last week's draw with the Western Bulldogs when it sent Bowden and fellow emergency Daniel Jackson to line up for Coburg in yesterday's Anzac Day VFL game.
Bowden was dumped after Richmond's Round 3 match against Collingwood, with the Tigers' growing depth keeping him out of the top 22.
But he played a key role in Coburg's come-from-behind victory against Box Hill yesterday, kicking two goals and winning high praise from his coach Jade Rawlings.
"He's too good a player to be playing VFL for too long," Rawlings said.
"He's doing everything he can to get back in the Richmond side and he's ticked all the right boxes."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23599923-19742,00.html
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He seemed Genuine yesterday, not just pumping the boys up and celebrating becasue he had to, but because he was into it.
Could be a blessing in disguise for Bowden and the senior team when he gets his way back in.
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His half time speach was very good, really put it on the line to all players. More importantly he also delivered.
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His half time speach was very good, really put it on the line to all players. More importantly he also delivered.
THat's great and all but how was his first half?
I wouldnt like to think a senior player who should be playing 4 quarters of footy will get back there by a half personally.
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TA
i agree
joel petts and tiv were all pathetikc yesterday
joel resting up fwd in the second half because he was totally crap down back does not mean he is getting closer to a call up.. joel did not impove on bit with his defensive efforts, second efforts and tackling yesterday and also made really bad decision making and skill errors. keep him in coburb
tiv should be dropped to the coburg ressies
petts, is a lazy mutha f. repeatedly went for one handed marks , trying to show off and be pretty. fho
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Joel's biggest problem at the moment IMO is it looks like he's lost a yard of pace. He was never quick but right now he looks slow. He is nearly 30 but you also look slow when out of form.
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Joel's biggest problem at the moment IMO is it looks like he's lost a yard of pace. He was never quick but right now he looks slow. He is nearly 30 but you also look slow when out of form.
Frankly he is quite slow in comparison to the like of King and McMahon.
However, you'd think on pure abilty Bowden should be in the side well before McGaune. However I'm more than happy to continue with the younger of the two.
I'd only like to see Bowden return to the side in a similar role as Richo - not get in the way of development, ie. allow a future back 6 to be put in place as Richo did to the forward line (hopfully he is keep on a wing).
Bowden for Hyde, maybe. He'd be a handful as a 6th/7th forward.
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Bowden goes on the attack
Michael Horan | May 01, 2008
RICHMOND'S dual All-Australian defender Joel Bowden is being reinvented as a forward. The Tigers veteran and two-time club best-and-fairest has played the past three games for Coburg in the VFL as a half-forward.
Bowden has been one of Coburg's best in all three games as he strives to claw his way back into the senior side.
The classy left-footer, who turns 30 in June, has almost certainly said goodbye to playing as a defender at AFL level, but remains an option in the front half when the opportunity comes.
"First of all, his attitude since coming back has been exemplary," Coburg coach and Richmond assistant Jade Rawlings said after training at Punt Rd Oval yesterday.
"I know Joel very well and he's been a standout player for this footy club for a long time. He's embraced his new role, he's embraced the culture of the Coburg footy club, the younger players, and I really admire him for that.
"You'd expect him to be a very good player at the (VFL) level because of the type of player he has been and still is.
"As long as he keeps doing the things we're asking of him, he'll keep putting his name up for selection."
But the 238-game veteran knows that with Richmond's strong form and good run with injury, the competition for a half-forward spot is hot.
Former West Coast forward Mitch Morton has been a spark in that spot over recent weeks and Kayne Pettifer, who has kicked eight goals in the past two VFL games, is also making strong claims.
Rawlings said Pettifer was also embracing challenges presented to him.
"He's had a couple of solid games - statistically really good - he's progressively making improvements in areas we've asked him to," Rawlings said.
"It's frustrating for him. He's got to a pretty good level in his career and now he's had to go back (to Coburg) and fight his way back into the (Richmond) side. But his attitude towards wanting to improve and get back in is as good as anyone's."
After a draw against the Western Bulldogs and a narrow loss to Hawthorn, the Tigers will be looking to continue their strong recent form against St Kilda at Telstra Dome on Saturday night.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23626221-19742,00.html
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its not a re invention, he has always been a natural forward. dont these nuffs know where he played at the start of his career until he smashed his shoulder
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They think his been a backman all his life X cause ex RFC Presidents were to jewish to buy some backmen & lining thier own pockets so the media dont know any better
Joel had to adapt a new style when chucked down back & its not easy going from defender to forward but he will if anyone can
My favorite player Joel Bowden :thumbsup
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been saying the past 2 yrs he should go back to being a forward
he is a natural at playing fwd of the ball and is a great kick for goal
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Leading with an article like that, I would be very very surprised if Bowden doesn't make his comeback to the seniors this week.
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Leading with an article like that, I would be very very surprised if Bowden doesn't make his comeback to the seniors this week.
agreed
Matty White wont play so there is a guaranteed change
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gut feeling tells me joel will play at FF
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Funny how playing Joel as a forward was scoffed at only a month ago :wallywink. He's still on the outer though.
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Needs to get a spot in the seniors first though
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Needs to get a spot in the seniors first though
True and it means Joel and Petts are vying for the same spot to open up in the forward line.
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Needs to get a spot in the seniors first though
True and it means Joel and Petts are vying for the same spot to open up in the forward line.
Mitch Morton's form is fortunantely keeping one of the two aforementioned blokes in the Coburg side although Joel is in B & F form. For Coburg that is and I hope he wins the Phil Cleary medal. Team is doing well without him.
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...although Joel is in B & F form. For Coburg that is and I hope he wins the Phil Cleary medal. Team is doing well without him.
That's a new one the Phil Cleary medal :nope
:eyebrow
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What is the B & F medal for Coburg WP?
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the Jim Sullivan Medal (I think)
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Most likely garbage but this was posted on Nick's magpies forum:
Apparently Bowden's manager has been linked to conversations with Collingwood about possibly coming to the pies next year..
http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=43320
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What is the B & F medal for Coburg WP?
As already mentioned it is the Jim Sullivan Award
No Coburg award is named after Phil
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Most likely garbage but this was posted on Nick's magpies forum:
Apparently Bowden's manager has been linked to conversations with Collingwood about possibly coming to the pies next year..
http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=43320
as we wave him goodbye :yep
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Would have preffered Bowden to play last week instead McMahon
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From the Sunday Age....
Bowden played up forward but kicked like a defender finishing with three goals and four points. But Rawlings was pleased with the 29-year-old, saying playing him in the forward line has given him a new challenge.
"He has spent three or four games down here with us now and I thought I'd keep offering him new challenges. He has done everything in the game pretty much with the midfield and back line in senior footy. He's a very natural forward the way he moves, so if he kicked straighter he was probably the best man on the ground."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/richmonds-coughlan-pulls-up-unscathed/2008/05/10/1210131341945.html
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Ch 10 also said Joel's days as a defender are over.