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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Judge Roughneck on June 16, 2008, 05:00:19 PM
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The quest for 9th is still on! :cheers :cheers
What else?
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Hope springs eternal! :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
We're there's life there's hope and regardless of the probable finish - we have a chance to make the 8.
Enjoy a win! We haven't got a lot of them recently. :clapping
Stripes
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We have a good run home against bottom 8 teams.
Even though we were ordinary yesterday, hopefully teams will be ordinarier than us.
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ordinarier
Word of the day!! :thumbsup
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No more talk of tanking!
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Moi, settle an argument what is your ave of richoman - Is he giving the bird ?
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Moi, settle an argument what is your ave of richoman - Is he giving the bird ?
yes he is..i think if i remember correctly it was on the news also
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Moi, settle an argument what is your ave of richoman - Is he giving the bird ?
Don't think he's smoking or picking his nose, so I guess he's giving the bird :thumbsup
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For God's sake we beat the Dees.
Winning games against bottom 8 teams due to our charmed draw and finishing higher on the ladder will only fool us again after our 2006 exploits. Sure its good to win but gage us as a team on how we play against the Cats Crows and Hawks between rd 18-20 and whether we get any wins at that business end of the Home and Away Season. We need to keep blooding kids and maybe going into the draft with our pick 5-8 to get what we actually need in a KPP and another quality mid.
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exactly HT we have been down this road once too many times before.
9th
10th
9th
seriously winning means nothing to me, personally, however if we knock off port over there, well then i would be happy because that shows improvement winning over there.
but beating the dees after we got stoned by the crows and swans, well it puts it all in perspective doesn't it.
a win is a win i guess but we should get excited only when we start beating sides that matter starting next week in adelaide..
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* Lids had another 30 touch game. Had a big impact when was important in context of match.
* Tuck showed he is still decent
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* Hyde is another Pettifer, Tivendale, Bowden type it seems.
* Didn't miss King
What else?
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back from the grind :sleep did not see any of the Richmond vs Melbourne game yet but l see they wonhope it was not ugly but a win is good news
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Monk if you restrict yourself to the second quarter and the last 15 minutes of the match you'd be pleasantly surprised. The rest ummm nosogood.....
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Winning games against bottom 8 teams due to our charmed draw and finishing higher on the ladder will only fool us again after our 2006 exploits.
The difference is that in 2005/6 we were beating bottom 8 sides with a team full of rejects. We are now beating teams with a quite youthful side.
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Monk if you restrict yourself to the second quarter and the last 15 minutes of the match you'd be pleasantly surprised. The rest ummm nosogood.....
see its on at 3.30pm Tomorrow on Foxsport so l will finish work early & l'm inviting some Tiger mates around for a Wednesday booze up ;D & watch the game ;D good excuse as any going by the weekend booze up
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TMonk
2nd half of the 2nd qtr 15-17 minutes was great :thumbsup
Will be taping it myself to watch tomorrow night
:gotigers
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Monk if you restrict yourself to the second quarter and the last 15 minutes of the match you'd be pleasantly surprised. The rest ummm nosogood.....
Would think the other 3 quarters was the worst football of have seen( both teams) in a long long time. Thank god for Richo
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well will let you know after l watch it & disect it ;D
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How was beating Melbourne 'good'?
Well for a start it's a shitload better than losing.
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How was beating Melbourne 'good'?
Well for a start it's a poohload better than losing.
Pick #10 is better than pick #3?
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How was beating Melbourne 'good'?
Well for a start it's a poohload better than losing.
Pick #10 is better than pick #3?
You seriously wanted to lose 11 games in a row? Sorry, that's not for me, I'm a simple soul and I like winning.
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We won at the Dome for the first time in 2 years :o. We won playing just 20 mins of good footy. The Dees had pushed the Pies and Hawks to within a couple of kicks in the last few weeks.
If we back up the win this week then we should make $$$ in the 100G at the G game with Blues fans back on the bandwagon after 7 years.
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Pick #10 is better than pick #3?
You got me thinking Bentleigh so I did a bit of checking and it makes interesting reading. Here is the difference in Pick 3 and Pick 10 from the last 7 drafts (I didn't include 2007 as they are all still too new to be a valid comparison):
06
3 - L. Hansen - 3 games.
10 - N. Brown - 10 games.
05
3 - B. Dowler - 3 games.
10 - S. Hurn - 36 games.
04
3 - T. Williams - 18 games.
10 - M. Bate - 39 games.
03
3 - K. Bradley - 53 games.
10 - B. Stanton - 88 games.
02
3 - J. Brennan - 71 games.
10 - J. Laycock - 50 games.
01
3 - A. Sampi - 78 games.
10 - N. Del Santo - 132 games.
00
3 - D. Smith - 21 games.
10 - A. McGrath - 104 games.
So looking at this, the only year where Pick 10 wasn't better than Pick 3 was in 2002 and players that could have been taken at Pick 10 that year include B. Schammer, D. Bell, T. Selwood, W. Minson, J. Rivers, D. Merrett, B. Staker, A. Selwood and R. Shirley.
Not much of a case for tanking or losing, especially to a side that has more pressing issues with confidence and learning to win games.
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Very nice work, smokey. :)
(Are the pick's from the Phantom Draft, though?) :-X
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watched the game well missed the 1 st quarter & half the 2nd quarter due to customers not taking the hint to get out the door >:( Tigers went berserk in the 2nd quarter ;D
last half of game was ok at least good stuff to mention was Polak in the backline taking it on & Tambling looked good & White continues to play well & do the hard running, smothering, & tackling.
Shultzs looked good & Richo playing great.
Melbourne can play some good football & have some very good players & are known to push side
Overall l'm happy with what l seen, its only a matter of time before this Tiger side gives out some punishment & will smash some sides
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You got me thinking Bentleigh so I did a bit of checking and it makes interesting reading. Here is the difference in Pick 3 and Pick 10 from the last 7 drafts (I didn't include 2007 as they are all still too new to be a valid comparison):
How did you work out those picks smokey?
2006: 3 - Lachlan Hansen 10 - Nathan Brown
2005: 3 - Xavier Ellis 10 - Marcus Drum
2004: 3 - Ryan Griffen 10 - Chris Egan
2003: 3 - Colin Sylvia 10 - Ryley Dunn
2002: 3 - Jared Brennan 10 - Jason Laycock
2001: 3 - Chris Judd 10 - Sam Power
2000: 3 - Alan Didak 10 - Jordan McMahon
1999: 3 - Aaron Fiora 10 - Luke McPharlin
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A win is always better than losing.
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You got me thinking Bentleigh so I did a bit of checking and it makes interesting reading. Here is the difference in Pick 3 and Pick 10 from the last 7 drafts (I didn't include 2007 as they are all still too new to be a valid comparison):
How did you work out those picks smokey?
2006: 3 - Lachlan Hansen 10 - Nathan Brown
2005: 3 - Xavier Ellis 10 - Marcus Drum
2004: 3 - Ryan Griffen 10 - Chris Egan
2003: 3 - Colin Sylvia 10 - Ryley Dunn
2002: 3 - Jared Brennan 10 - Jason Laycock
2001: 3 - Chris Judd 10 - Sam Power
2000: 3 - Alan Didak 10 - Jordan McMahon
1999: 3 - Aaron Fiora 10 - Luke McPharlin
Bentleigh's comment was us getting the 3rd pick instead of 10th so just comparing apples to apples. There are no priority picks this year - it will be a genuine draft so I didn't count priority picks because they are somewhat outside of the scope of the ladder position and might (I didn't check if they did but it doesn't alter the thrust of the point) skew the results. In other words if we finished 14th (3rd pick) in each of those years what was the first possible pick and if we finished 7th (10th pick) what was the first possible pick. I took the 3rd genuine pick and the 10th genuine pick.
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How was beating Melbourne 'good'?
Well for a start it's a poohload better than losing.
Pick #10 is better than pick #3?
You seriously wanted to lose 11 games in a row? Sorry, that's not for me, I'm a simple soul and I like winning.
The question is - do you want to win a flag (long term success) or winning meaningless games against Melbourne types (short term gain).
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The question is - do you want to win a flag (long term success) or winning meaningless games against Melbourne types (short term gain).
I think it is more important at this stage of our list's development to learn how to win and gain the confidence and strength that goes with that, regardless of who we beat.
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Pick #10 is better than pick #3?
05
3 - B. Dowler - 3 games.
10 - S. Hurn - 36 games.
Incorrect.
Xavier Ellis was 3. Dowler 6.
04
3 - T. Williams - 18 games.
10 - M. Bate - 39 games.
Williams was pick #6, not pick #3. And will be a gun CHB.
Pick #3 was Ryan Griffen. Gun.
03
3 - K. Bradley - 53 games.
10 - B. Stanton - 88 games.
Bradley was pick #6.
02
3 - J. Brennan - 71 games.
10 - J. Laycock - 50 games.
Brennan is a gun. Laycock is a hack.
01
3 - A. Sampi - 78 games.
10 - N. Del Santo - 132 games.
pick #3 was Chris Judd. lol Sampi was #5 or so.
So looking at this, the only year where Pick 10 wasn't better than Pick 3 was in 2002 and players that could have been taken at Pick 10 that year include B. Schammer, D. Bell, T. Selwood, W. Minson, J. Rivers, D. Merrett, B. Staker, A. Selwood and R. Shirley.
Not much of a case for tanking or losing, especially to a side that has more pressing issues with confidence and learning to win games.
I disagree.
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Pick #10 is better than pick #3?
You got me thinking Bentleigh so I did a bit of checking and it makes interesting reading. Here is the difference in Pick 3 and Pick 10 from the last 7 drafts (I didn't include 2007 as they are all still too new to be a valid comparison):
06
3 - L. Hansen - 3 games.
10 - N. Brown - 10 games.
05
3 - B. Dowler - 3 games.
10 - S. Hurn - 36 games.
04
3 - T. Williams - 18 games.
10 - M. Bate - 39 games.
03
3 - K. Bradley - 53 games.
10 - B. Stanton - 88 games.
02
3 - J. Brennan - 71 games.
10 - J. Laycock - 50 games.
01
3 - A. Sampi - 78 games.
10 - N. Del Santo - 132 games.
00
3 - D. Smith - 21 games.
10 - A. McGrath - 104 games.
So looking at this, the only year where Pick 10 wasn't better than Pick 3 was in 2002 and players that could have been taken at Pick 10 that year include B. Schammer, D. Bell, T. Selwood, W. Minson, J. Rivers, D. Merrett, B. Staker, A. Selwood and R. Shirley.
Not much of a case for tanking or losing, especially to a side that has more pressing issues with confidence and learning to win games.
Great work, Smokey :thumbsup
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The question is - do you want to win a flag (long term success) or winning meaningless games against Melbourne types (short term gain).
I think it is more important at this stage of our list's development to learn how to win and gain the confidence and strength that goes with that, regardless of who we beat.
If we were blooding Connors, Collins types then Id agree. But we are stil playing Hyde and Bowden.
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Pick #10 is better than pick #3?
You got me thinking Bentleigh so I did a bit of checking and it makes interesting reading. Here is the difference in Pick 3 and Pick 10 from the last 7 drafts (I didn't include 2007 as they are all still too new to be a valid comparison):
06
3 - L. Hansen - 3 games.
10 - N. Brown - 10 games.
05
3 - B. Dowler - 3 games.
10 - S. Hurn - 36 games.
04
3 - T. Williams - 18 games.
10 - M. Bate - 39 games.
03
3 - K. Bradley - 53 games.
10 - B. Stanton - 88 games.
02
3 - J. Brennan - 71 games.
10 - J. Laycock - 50 games.
01
3 - A. Sampi - 78 games.
10 - N. Del Santo - 132 games.
00
3 - D. Smith - 21 games.
10 - A. McGrath - 104 games.
So looking at this, the only year where Pick 10 wasn't better than Pick 3 was in 2002 and players that could have been taken at Pick 10 that year include B. Schammer, D. Bell, T. Selwood, W. Minson, J. Rivers, D. Merrett, B. Staker, A. Selwood and R. Shirley.
Not much of a case for tanking or losing, especially to a side that has more pressing issues with confidence and learning to win games.
Great work, Smokey :thumbsup
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Pick #10 is better than pick #3?
You seriously wanted to lose 11 games in a row? Sorry, that's not for me, I'm a simple soul and I like winning.
The question is - do you want to win a flag (long term success) or winning meaningless games against Melbourne types (short term gain).
I don't see why they should be mutually exclusive.
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If Carlton finish with a pick in the pick 8 or pick 9 region, then Richmond will be able to trade for it. Carlton still white hot for Newman. I imagine draft picks will be involved, whether Carlton get another pick or there is a swapping of later round picks i dont know. ;)
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If Carlton finish with a pick in the pick 8 or pick 9 region, then Richmond will be able to trade for it. Carlton still white hot for Newman. I imagine draft picks will be involved, whether Carlton get another pick or there is a swapping of later round picks i dont know. ;)
that rumour is gaining some serious momentum.
that combined with the blues need for some mature backman, the fev connection, id say it just might be on the cards.
if a top 10 pick was thrown up should we take it??
id say yes but have we got enough quality back there to fill his spot. not sure we have
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I just put forward what I heard, im not saying that we will trade Newman, I dont know that, all Ive said is that people are saying that Carlton want Newman and at this stage it looks like they will trade for him, as to whether or not we trade with them, thats another question, and I dont have the answer to that.
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If we were blooding Connors, Collins types then Id agree. But we are stil playing Hyde and Bowden.
Yep, fair point. The only thing I will say to it is that at least they are making them fight hard to earn a spot and that will benefit them in the long run.
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How was beating Melbourne 'good'?
2 more points than we got against the dirty dogs, and 4 more points than we should have got against the weak Saints.
You don't draw pictures on scorecards or ladders, you just post results, especially in a game in which it is vital to win, such as this one against the Demons.
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snipped it all just to respond.
I gave my reasons for listing the picks I did in an earlier post. Most of these #3's weren't available to the side coming 14th.
Not much of a case for tanking or losing, especially to a side that has more pressing issues with confidence and learning to win games.
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I disagree.
What I like about forums. :thumbsup :)
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I think it is more important at this stage of our list's development to learn how to win and gain the confidence and strength that goes with that, regardless of who we beat.
very important that we win games to lift confidence & moral around the club & among the supporters :thumbsup
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Pick #10 is better than pick #3?
I don't see why they should be mutually exclusive.
Due to the system that the AFL is - with the salary cap and drafting system it rewards losing games. top 3 picks are like gold. We are a rebuilding side. It think it is pretty easy to put together.
People talk how good Deledio and Cotchin... often are the same people who are against tanking. Irony IMO.
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If Carlton finish with a pick in the pick 8 or pick 9 region, then Richmond will be able to trade for it. Carlton still white hot for Newman. I imagine draft picks will be involved, whether Carlton get another pick or there is a swapping of later round picks i dont know. ;)
The Blues and the Hawks would be prime teams to raid for high draft picks.
I actually hope Carlton really over-achieve and are a bit careless with their picks, thinking they're not far off and trade them away for a bunch of duds.
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If Carlton finish with a pick in the pick 8 or pick 9 region, then Richmond will be able to trade for it. Carlton still white hot for Newman. I imagine draft picks will be involved, whether Carlton get another pick or there is a swapping of later round picks i dont know. ;)
The Blues and the Hawks would be prime teams to raid for high draft picks.
I actually hope Carlton really over-achieve and are a bit careless with their picks, thinking they're not far off and trade them away for a bunch of duds.
i think they r still very far off the mark, however only in their defensive area. i believe they have all positions covered except here.
in saying that, fev goes down and its goodbye calrton
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If Carlton finish with a pick in the pick 8 or pick 9 region, then Richmond will be able to trade for it. Carlton still white hot for Newman. I imagine draft picks will be involved, whether Carlton get another pick or there is a swapping of later round picks i dont know. ;)
The Blues and the Hawks would be prime teams to raid for high draft picks.
I actually hope Carlton really over-achieve and are a bit careless with their picks, thinking they're not far off and trade them away for a bunch of duds.
i think they r still very far off the mark, however only in their defensive area. i believe they have all positions covered except here.
in saying that, fev goes down and its goodbye calrton
Yep they've got to hope trading away Josh Kennedy doesn't come back to bite them.
I don't see us trading away Newy but let's hope we don't do another Torney trade where we gave away him and traded outside the top 10 giving up pick 4 2 for just one player in return :P.
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If Carlton finish with a pick in the pick 8 or pick 9 region, then Richmond will be able to trade for it. Carlton still white hot for Newman. I imagine draft picks will be involved, whether Carlton get another pick or there is a swapping of later round picks i dont know. ;)
The Blues and the Hawks would be prime teams to raid for high draft picks.
I actually hope Carlton really over-achieve and are a bit careless with their picks, thinking they're not far off and trade them away for a bunch of duds.
i think they r still very far off the mark, however only in their defensive area. i believe they have all positions covered except here.
in saying that, fev goes down and its goodbye calrton
Yep they've got to hope trading away Josh Kennedy doesn't come back to bite them.
Did you see Judds last 1/4 vs the Pies?
I reckon they are pretty safe.
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If Carlton finish with a pick in the pick 8 or pick 9 region, then Richmond will be able to trade for it. Carlton still white hot for Newman. I imagine draft picks will be involved, whether Carlton get another pick or there is a swapping of later round picks i dont know. ;)
The Blues and the Hawks would be prime teams to raid for high draft picks.
I actually hope Carlton really over-achieve and are a bit careless with their picks, thinking they're not far off and trade them away for a bunch of duds.
i think they r still very far off the mark, however only in their defensive area. i believe they have all positions covered except here.
in saying that, fev goes down and its goodbye calrton
Yep they've got to hope trading away Josh Kennedy doesn't come back to bite them.
Did you see Judds last 1/4 vs the Pies?
I reckon they are pretty safe.
I've never rated Collingwood. An even hardworking side but lacks the class to win a flag. When the Blues start being competitive against the real top sides then they'll get cred. At the moment it's all hype.