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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Moi on June 18, 2008, 05:57:45 PM
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He needed five years this time, because that was to get the team into a competitive position. One more year and we should be well on the way.
But his next contract should be for three years only, IMO.
He was always going to struggle to get us playing finals with the job he had to do and five years was plenty to do that in.
His next contract he has to produce the goods, and that means playing finals every year of that contract. We've been patient and pretty loyal to the task at hand. The party will be over though if the results aren't forthcoming.
Anyone?
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YOU BEEN FISHING MOI :rollin
IF we make the finals next year 2 year contracts from then, if he wants to see his work evolve he will take it.
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YOU BEEN FISHING MOI :rollin
IF we make the finals next year 2 year contracts from then, if he wants to see his work evolve he will take it.
Exactly, and will keep him on his toes.
Excuses had to be made for him these five years due to the state of the list and resources he had available, but off field we're going pretty well now and by the end of next year the state of our list will be pretty exciting, hopefully.
I think it's looking good, so hopefully Terry will be with us for a long time.
Waddya reckon, Jack? lol
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With a pay rise. :P ;D
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With a pay rise. :P ;D
Shiit, get him his own sun lounge if he likes lol
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With a pay rise. :P ;D
And a life membership
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With a pay rise. :P ;D
And a life membership
If he wins us a Flag he will deserve life membership.
:thumbsup
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With a pay rise. :P ;D
And a life membership
If he wins us a Flag he will deserve life membership.
:thumbsup
What about the Terry Wallace arena? :lol
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or the Punt "Terry Wallace" Road oval
or the Terry Wallace solarium as an addition to the new addition.
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Brave thread bringing up the E-word Moi :rollin
If Plough was to get an extension lol, I think you're right it probably would have to be 3 years as anything less would be a sign we gave him a new contract despite not being confident he was the right coach to take our 2009 list forward after given Wallace a 5-year deal to begin with. He's got 32 rounds to turn most peoples opinions around 180 degrees.
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Win us a flag and he can do what he likes....write his own cheques, take ownership of Punt Road Oval and most of all have Jack wash his car for life ;D
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With a pay rise. :P ;D
And a life membership
If he wins us a Flag he will deserve life membership.
:thumbsup
What about the Terry Wallace arena? :lol
:rollin
Bronze statue lol
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I think Jack has fainted after seeing all this.
Smelling salts anyone? lol :rollin
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With a pay rise. :P ;D
Shiit, get him his own sun lounge if he likes lol
Ahahahahahahahaha quality comment
People whether its Terry who gets the flag as some of you think or somebody else whenever that may be the biggest mistake we could do is rest on our laurels and make Demigods out of them and give them the eys to the club. With success starved clubs like ours ppl at board level and especially us fans can get swepped up in the hysteria and become stagnant and complacent. Look at what happened to us in 02 and 96. Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing but the powers that be must work feverishly hard to keep the good times rolling on and make the same sound decisonsthat brough success in the first place otherwise we may fall back down the abyss again. Look at what happened to the Pies in 1990 and by 1999 they were finally starting to crawl out of their smelly hovells after living off the royalties of 1990. Heck we still talk about 1980 like it was the year time stopped.
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I think Jack has fainted after seeing all this.
Smelling salts anyone? lol :rollin
Nah, just got back from dinner at the Bluefire Grill at Docklands.
Now back to Wallet, the only extension he will get is you know where :lol
Extension of contract, ::) ::)
Lucky to beat Melbourne,
The only extension of contract should be Matty Richardson- Bronze Statue as well
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Well good to see your crap posts are still just that JS....crap, as I haven't posted on here for a while I thought you mave have grown up a little but obviously not.
If we make it to the top 8 next year Wallace should have his contract extended for another 3 years. If we dont maintain a top 8 status for the 3 years with at least a prelim in that time frame then his contract should be terminated.
Remember it took Bomber Thompson 8 years to get the Cats into and winning a GF and that was 8 years worth of pelicans calling for his head. But they are the people now saying how good he is..... work it out.
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I think a 2 year extension would be enough as long as we show next year that we're still on the improve. Doesn't matter where we finish this year, next year we'd want to be pushing for a spot in the 8. Even if we're not in the 8, as long as we're only just outside and playing pretty much all kids, I'd still give him another 2 years.
That gives him enough time to finish what he started with the rebuild, and if he still hasn't got the group playing in the Top 4 by the end of 2011 then there's plenty of time for another coach to step in with a very young side ready to go.
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Well good to see your crap posts are still just that JS....crap, as I haven't posted on here for a while I thought you mave have grown up a little but obviously not.
If we make it to the top 8 next year Wallace should have his contract extended for another 3 years. If we dont maintain a top 8 status for the 3 years with at least a prelim in that time frame then his contract should be terminated.
Remember it took Bomber Thompson 8 years to get the Cats into and winning a GF and that was 8 years worth of pelicans calling for his head. But they are the people now saying how good he is..... work it out.
You obviously didnt atttend the game on Sunday Night. Utter rubbish the tiges dished up except for 15 minutes.
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Well good to see your crap posts are still just that JS....crap, as I haven't posted on here for a while I thought you mave have grown up a little but obviously not.
If we make it to the top 8 next year Wallace should have his contract extended for another 3 years. If we dont maintain a top 8 status for the 3 years with at least a prelim in that time frame then his contract should be terminated.
Remember it took Bomber Thompson 8 years to get the Cats into and winning a GF and that was 8 years worth of pelicans calling for his head. But they are the people now saying how good he is..... work it out.
You obviously didnt atttend the game on Sunday Night. Utter rubbish the tiges dished up except for 15 minutes.
Well JS I wasn't at the game but I did watch it and for once I agree with you it was rubbish (after the 2nd qtr & in the 1st). But the players dished that crap up not the Coach, but what about Wallaces move to put Tambling against Davies, what a master stroke eh!! ;)
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Can tell you they dont know where to play poor Richie.
After 6 games, Cotchin is past him already.
Thank god for Richo.
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Can tell you they dont know where to play poor Richie.
what would u do with him over the next 3 years if he was your player?
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Can tell you they dont know where to play poor Richie.
After 6 games, Cotchin is past him already.
Thank god for Richo.
He's past most the list.
Not only Blinga.
Stupid point.
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I think a 2 year extension would be enough as long as we show next year that we're still on the improve. Doesn't matter where we finish this year, next year we'd want to be pushing for a spot in the 8. Even if we're not in the 8, as long as we're only just outside and playing pretty much all kids, I'd still give him another 2 years.
That gives him enough time to finish what he started with the rebuild, and if he still hasn't got the group playing in the Top 4 by the end of 2011 then there's plenty of time for another coach to step in with a very young side ready to go.
I think most supporters are thinking this way, Infamy.
They see a plan of action unlike in the past and are willing to forego another couple of years in order for Terry to completely rehash the list and get a few games into the newcomers.
For others, nothing will be good enough, but hopefully they're in the minority.
Good point about time enough for another coach to step in and take over without much damage being done. It might be that Terry isn't the right coach for us, but I reckon he deserves to have three years after the redevelopment stage to prove that's the case. In the redevelopment years, a bit much to expect us to be playing finals, although if he gets us in there this year, Wallace I reckon would be well ahead of expectations :thumbsup
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A complete review on the whole club at seasons end
extension NO not on present state of the efforts
when his contract is up & after another review end season 2009 should he even be considered seriously
Richmond shouldnot rush into any decision
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terry shouldnt get any contract extension.
and if he does it should be discussed at the end of next year.
we have only beaten sides below us ,and who are tanking to get bottom pick.
carltank are the only ones above us we have beat,and they have improved heaps since we beat them.
compare the bottom teams when wallace took over richmond,the hawks are flying and so are the dogs.
l dont think wallace gets the best out of the team,and his match day coaching is not the best.
l think hes been out coach quite a few times this year.
you can have all the plans and best intentions in the world,but you still need the right person to carry them out.
l think richmond people have got and excepted mediocrity for far too long,and cant tell the difference between good and bad.
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terry shouldnt get any contract extension.
and if he does it should be discussed at the end of next year.
we have only beaten sides below us ,and who are tanking to get bottom pick.
carltank are the only ones above us we have beat,and they have improved heaps since we beat them.
compare the bottom teams when wallace took over richmond,the hawks are flying and so are the dogs.
l dont think wallace gets the best out of the team,and his match day coaching is not the best.
l think hes been out coach quite a few times this year.
you can have all the plans and best intentions in the world,but you still need the right person to carry them out.
l think richmond people have got and excepted mediocrity for far too long,and cant tell the difference between good and bad.
got to put this one down as post of the week, agree 110% :clapping
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l think richmond people have got and excepted mediocrity for far too long,and cant tell the difference between good and bad.
Because we don't jump up and down calling for the coach's head every five seconds doesn't mean we've accepted mediocrity. I'm very happy with how things are panning out this year. To have exceeded last year's results half way through the year means we are improving at a rapid rate. If by the end of the year that rate of improvement has declined, then maybe you could question. But as far as I'm concerned, he's on track with the five year redevelopment phase and just a fait accompli that the club should resign him at the end of his contract if things keep on going in that direction.
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Can tell you they dont know where to play poor Richie.
After 6 games, Cotchin is past him already.
Thank god for Richo.
He's past most the list.
Not only Blinga.
Stupid point.
My Melbourne supporting brother in law's draw dropped when he saw Cotch play. Couldn't believe his eyes. I had to tell him to not get too carried away with the praise and this from an opposition supporter. But I did point out that the Melbourne game wasn't his best game by a long shot. ;D
Scary to think how good he may be when fit. I can't remember a player looking so comfortable on debut.
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terry shouldnt get any contract extension.
and if he does it should be discussed at the end of next year.
I don't think anyone is suggesting a contract extension yet
However, I was a fan of offering him a contract extension in the middle of last year. Although that may sound silly, especially after a wooden spoon season, it would show the football world that we are serious about this rebuild and following it through properly. It would take the heat off the coach for instant results and allow him to focus on long term success rather than appeasing the ferals.
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* Wallace must get untill the end of 2009. Give him his promised 5 years to do what he can to a list and club that was in shyte shape under the last regime in Frawley the cu*t,
* If we are anywhere from 6th to 10th spot at the end of 2009, with Most the team 22/23 years of age and looks promising, then why would you not extend his contract?
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Can tell you they dont know where to play poor Richie.
what would u do with him over the next 3 years if he was your player?
If he cant play inside F 50, would trade him ,as he is too small for anywhere else.
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ritchie will turn out just fine
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Can tell you they dont know where to play poor Richie.
what would u do with him over the next 3 years if he was your player?
If he cant play inside F 50, would trade him ,as he is too small for anywhere else.
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However...... can you grow 2 cms after age 22? You can certainly put on 3 kilos.
R. Tambling 179cm and 78kg
A. McLeod 181cm and 81kg
One can but hope. He looks fantastic in brief moments but imho he's been disappointing and the club appears to be trying to give him confidence by highlighting and praising his "one percenters".
Add-on - just did some research - males stop growing around age 20 :(
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Blingers is 180cm, 80kgs and he's still 21.
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My view is this
Personally and I posted this somewhere else I don't believe in sacking coaches, especially mid season or mid contract
I am also not a fan of giving contract extensions mid way through a current contract. We did this Spudley after the 2001 final series and look how that panned out ::)
My view is Tezza should see out his current contract. Any extension should be dependant upon results at the end of next season which is when his current deal ends. Results should and will determine the extension IMV
Simple really ;D
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carltank are the only ones above us we have beat,and they have improved heaps since we beat them.
compare the bottom teams when wallace took over richmond,the hawks are flying and so are the dogs.
Dogs and Hawks lists were in far better shape than ours. Even on the weekend they had almost twice as many players who were around in 2003 in their sides than we did.
Hawks: 11
Dogs: 10
Tiges: 6
The Blues are improving but they're not there yet. Apart from Collingwood who have Carlton beaten - Freo, Port, Melb and WC - all bottom 5 sides. Before their win over Port (or rather Port choked) they were flogged by 10 goals by Geelong and flogged at the Dome by Brisbane.
As WP says, what happens to Wallace will be decided after our last game in 2009.
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carltank are the only ones above us we have beat,and they have improved heaps since we beat them.
compare the bottom teams when wallace took over richmond,the hawks are flying and so are the dogs.
Dogs and Hawks lists were in far better shape than ours. Even on the weekend they had almost twice as many players who were around in 2003 in their sides than we did.
Hawks: 11
Dogs: 10
Tiges: 6
The Blues are improving but they're not there yet. Apart from Collingwood who have Carlton beaten - Freo, Port, Melb and WC - all bottom 5 sides. Before their win over Port (or rather Port choked) they were flogged by 10 goals by Geelong and flogged at the Dome by Brisbane.
As WP says, what happens to Wallace will be decided after our last game in 2009.
Take Bowden and Hyde out and we have 4 :cheers
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Blingers is 180cm, 80kgs and he's still 21.
lol - I guess it depends which source you use - and yes he's 21 and 9 months - closer to 22 than 21.
My point was, not one centimeter here and there, but that he's a similar size to McLeod, if he's up to it.
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My point was, not one centimeter here and there, but that he's a similar size to McLeod, if he's up to it.
No probs mjs, I misunderstood ya. If Blingers ends up half as good as Macleod is we won't be complaining.
Take Bowden and Hyde out and we have 4 :cheers
Well that's the other thing. A number of our senior players are expendable and will be replaced as soon as more cubs develop and take their spots in the side.
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Can tell you they dont know where to play poor Richie.
what would u do with him over the next 3 years if he was your player?
If he cant play inside F 50, would trade him ,as he is too small for anywhere else.
OMFG you really have no idea do you?
Mcleod
Davey
B Harvey
Pearce
Johncock
Davis
are all bout the same stature as Blinger. Blinger has improved a heap this year, and has started to live up to his potential.
Blinger was a big reason why we won last week. He was one of the few that ran out the game in the last quarter, not thta you would know, because you Have NFI, you have proven it time and time again, it is so predictable. ;)
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terry shouldnt get any contract extension.
and if he does it should be discussed at the end of next year.
I don't think anyone is suggesting a contract extension yet
However, I was a fan of offering him a contract extension in the middle of last year. Although that may sound silly, especially after a wooden spoon season, it would show the football world that we are serious about this rebuild and following it through properly. It would take the heat off the coach for instant results and allow him to focus on long term success rather than appeasing the ferals.
offering him an extension last year is silly(quite silly)
in my view he has been outcoached on numerous occasions this year.
some of his match ups have been ridiculous.
so far this season hes living off his moves of richo on the wing,and cotchin being in the side.
he is planning to try and train the same way as adelaide have been.
to me hes running out of ideas ,and that his game plan is flawed and has been exposed.
terry had the choice of the hawks or the tigers,and he said he thought the tigers list was in better shape.
well its incredible how things have changed after a few drafts.
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terry had the choice of the hawks or the tigers,and he said he thought the tigers list was in better shape.
No he didn't. This argument has had a run a few times.
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terry had the choice of the hawks or the tigers,and he said he thought the tigers list was in better shape.
No he didn't. This argument has had a run a few times.
Agree he didn't say that but I still maintain that the list was in a worse shape than anyone thought in 2004. I don't think the underestimation of the pathetic state of our list is TW's fault. I think there were many others who were also fooled, he was not alone.
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OMFG you really have no idea do you?
Mcleod...
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Geez your'e quick blaisee - we've been there already ;D
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terry had the choice of the hawks or the tigers,and he said he thought the tigers list was in better shape.
No he didn't. This argument has had a run a few times.
Agree he didn't say that but I still maintain that the list was in a worse shape than anyone thought in 2004. I don't think the underestimation of the pathetic state of our list is TW's fault. I think there were many others who were also fooled, he was not alone.
do you really think we are being fooled,or are we being not coached to the best of our ability.
because we have lost quite a few players since wallace took over.
and gained quite a few as well,and still our skill level is average.
he recruited mcmahon to help add more skill to the side,but at the same time he is very unaccountable.
with a younger side l understand you have to have more patience.
but at the same time the younger players should be able to execute basic skills.
the problem with the handball is alot of the players dont want the responsibility of kicking it incase of a turnover.
which is caused by a lack of confidence in there own ability.
if a coach like mathews ,who has stated in the past he would like to return back to victoria,became available ,richmond would be crazy to overlook him,or even worsfold.
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terry shouldnt get any contract extension.
and if he does it should be discussed at the end of next year.
I don't think anyone is suggesting a contract extension yet
However, I was a fan of offering him a contract extension in the middle of last year. Although that may sound silly, especially after a wooden spoon season, it would show the football world that we are serious about this rebuild and following it through properly. It would take the heat off the coach for instant results and allow him to focus on long term success rather than appeasing the ferals.
offering him an extension last year is silly(quite silly)
in my view he has been outcoached on numerous occasions this year.
some of his match ups have been ridiculous.
so far this season hes living off his moves of richo on the wing,and cotchin being in the side.
he is planning to try and train the same way as adelaide have been.
to me hes running out of ideas ,and that his game plan is flawed and has been exposed.
terry had the choice of the hawks or the tigers,and he said he thought the tigers list was in better shape.
well its incredible how things have changed after a few drafts.
I said it myself that people would consider it silly, but clearly you ignored the reasons for why I thought it would be something worth considering.
The thing is, is Wallace getting outcoached, or is he experimenting with different structures? I'm not about to suggest that he never gets outcoached, but to say he's run out of ideas is ridiculous.
As for the comment on hawks vs tigers, as others have already mentioned, it's been covered in detail before.
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Can tell you they dont know where to play poor Richie.
what would u do with him over the next 3 years if he was your player?
If he cant play inside F 50, would trade him ,as he is too small for anywhere else.
OMFG you really have no idea do you?
Mcleod
Davey
B Harvey
Pearce
Johncock
Davis
are all bout the same stature as Blinger. Blinger has improved a heap this year, and has started to live up to his potential.
Blinger was a big reason why we won last week. He was one of the few that ran out the game in the last quarter, not thta you would know, because you Have NFI, you have proven it time and time again, it is so predictable. ;)
You are a complete imbecile.
What AFL club you work for again.
Have you ever had anything remotely to do with a football?
Kicking a plastic one around in the local park doesnt count either Blaisee :lol
The 3 players you mention play inside F 50 last time I looked.
Also the players you have mentioned have a different skill set. ::)
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You are a complete imbecile.
What AFL club you work for again.
Have you ever had anything remotely to do with a football?
Kicking a plastic one around in the local park doesnt count either Blaisee :lol
The 3 players you mention play inside F 50 last time I looked.
Also the players you have mentioned have a different skill set. ::)
Which one do you work for this week?
:thumbsup
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You are a complete imbecile.
What AFL club you work for again.
Have you ever had anything remotely to do with a football?
Kicking a plastic one around in the local park doesnt count either Blaisee :lol
The 3 players you mention play inside F 50 last time I looked.
Also the players you have mentioned have a different skill set. ::)
Which one do you work for this week?
:thumbsup
Same one you work for genius :lol
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You are a complete imbecile.
What AFL club you work for again.
Have you ever had anything remotely to do with a football?
Kicking a plastic one around in the local park doesnt count either Blaisee :lol
The 3 players you mention play inside F 50 last time I looked.
Also the players you have mentioned have a different skill set. ::)
Which one do you work for this week?
:thumbsup
Same one you work for genius :lol
I work for a Church that was founded in 1580.
Way older than any piddly liddle football club.
:rollin
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Can tell you they dont know where to play poor Richie.
what would u do with him over the next 3 years if he was your player?
If he cant play inside F 50, would trade him ,as he is too small for anywhere else.
OMFG you really have no idea do you?
Mcleod
Davey
B Harvey
Pearce
Johncock
Davis
are all bout the same stature as Blinger. Blinger has improved a heap this year, and has started to live up to his potential.
Blinger was a big reason why we won last week. He was one of the few that ran out the game in the last quarter, not thta you would know, because you Have NFI, you have proven it time and time again, it is so predictable. ;)
You are a complete imbecile.
What AFL club you work for again.
Have you ever had anything remotely to do with a football?
Kicking a plastic one around in the local park doesnt count either Blaisee :lol
The 3 players you mention play inside F 50 last time I looked.
Also the players you have mentioned have a different skill set. ::)
again proof that you have no idea.
I work for the same club as you do, none. And mate from your remarks in the past 12 months I wouldnt classify you as an expert by any stretch of the imagination ;) You are a disgruntled ex-employee. That is all :cheers
And finally ... If you think Mcleod, Johncock,Harvey, and Pearce all play inside F50, well than Jack I rest my case, because you are either ignorant or a fool or both.
And furthermore, what different skill sets do Johncock and Mcleod have when compared with Tambling.
Lets see, they are all quick. Check :thumbsup
They have good skills. Check :thumbsup
And they are the same size. Check :thumbsup
Yep your right, one is a ruckman, the other is a Centre half Forward ::)
If anything, Tambling has more skills than them, he has inside midfielder ability.
Looking forward to your next moronic response. Muppet
No wonder you got the ar@e, you dont know the basics about footy. I hope you found another job, because from what I have heard around the traps,and from the knowledge you have displayed on this site, dont wait for the phone to ring, it wont ;)
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Can tell you they dont know where to play poor Richie.
what would u do with him over the next 3 years if he was your player?
If he cant play inside F 50, would trade him ,as he is too small for anywhere else.
OMFG you really have no idea do you?
Mcleod
Davey
B Harvey
Pearce
Johncock
Davis
are all bout the same stature as Blinger. Blinger has improved a heap this year, and has started to live up to his potential.
Blinger was a big reason why we won last week. He was one of the few that ran out the game in the last quarter, not thta you would know, because you Have NFI, you have proven it time and time again, it is so predictable. ;)
You are a complete imbecile.
What AFL club you work for again.
Have you ever had anything remotely to do with a football?
Kicking a plastic one around in the local park doesnt count either Blaisee :lol
The 3 players you mention play inside F 50 last time I looked.
Also the players you have mentioned have a different skill set. ::)
again proof that you have no idea.
I work for the same club as you do, none. And mate from your remarks in the past 12 months I wouldnt classify you as an expert by any stretch of the imagination ;) You are a disgruntled ex-employee. That is all :cheers
And finally ... If you think Mcleod, Johncock,Harvey, and Pearce all play inside F50, well than Jack I rest my case, because you are either ignorant or a fool or both.
And furthermore, what different skill sets do Johncock and Mcleod have when compared with Tambling.
Lets see, they are all quick. Check :thumbsup
They have good skills. Check :thumbsup
And they are the same size. Check :thumbsup
Yep your right, one is a ruckman, the other is a Centre half Forward ::)
If anything, Tambling has more skills than them, he has inside midfielder ability.
Looking forward to your next moronic response. Muppet
No wonder you got the ar@e, you dont know the basics about footy. I hope you found another job, because from what I have heard around the traps,and from the knowledge you have displayed on this site, dont wait for the phone to ring, it wont ;)
:whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle
You are a complete moron.
I am actually involved in footy this year.
I have actually coached two Premierships, Suburban footy that is. More idea than someone hiding anon behind a keyboard.
Most people know who I am here, you dont.
End of subject
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Can tell you they dont know where to play poor Richie.
what would u do with him over the next 3 years if he was your player?
If he cant play inside F 50, would trade him ,as he is too small for anywhere else.
OMFG you really have no idea do you?
Mcleod
Davey
B Harvey
Pearce
Johncock
Davis
are all bout the same stature as Blinger. Blinger has improved a heap this year, and has started to live up to his potential.
Blinger was a big reason why we won last week. He was one of the few that ran out the game in the last quarter, not thta you would know, because you Have NFI, you have proven it time and time again, it is so predictable. ;)
You are a complete imbecile.
What AFL club you work for again.
Have you ever had anything remotely to do with a football?
Kicking a plastic one around in the local park doesnt count either Blaisee :lol
The 3 players you mention play inside F 50 last time I looked.
Also the players you have mentioned have a different skill set. ::)
again proof that you have no idea.
I work for the same club as you do, none. And mate from your remarks in the past 12 months I wouldnt classify you as an expert by any stretch of the imagination ;) You are a disgruntled ex-employee. That is all :cheers
And finally ... If you think Mcleod, Johncock,Harvey, and Pearce all play inside F50, well than Jack I rest my case, because you are either ignorant or a fool or both.
And furthermore, what different skill sets do Johncock and Mcleod have when compared with Tambling.
Lets see, they are all quick. Check :thumbsup
They have good skills. Check :thumbsup
And they are the same size. Check :thumbsup
Yep your right, one is a ruckman, the other is a Centre half Forward ::)
If anything, Tambling has more skills than them, he has inside midfielder ability.
Looking forward to your next moronic response. Muppet
No wonder you got the ar@e, you dont know the basics about footy. I hope you found another job, because from what I have heard around the traps,and from the knowledge you have displayed on this site, dont wait for the phone to ring, it wont ;)
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You are a complete moron.
I am actually involved in footy this year.
I have actually coached two Premierships, Suburban footy that is. More idea than someone hiding anon behind a keyboard.
Most people know who I am here, you dont.
End of subject
Stop avoiding the question. ;)
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You are a complete moron.
I am actually involved in footy this year.
I have actually coached two Premierships, Suburban footy that is. More idea than someone hiding anon behind a keyboard.
Most people know who I am here, you dont.
End of subject
Under 12s???
I reckon you were the janitor, I'd probably be a little miffed too if I scrubbed the skid marks of that many dunnies and still got the arse
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What question ? And what answer do you want ?
Stop hiding by the keyboard
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:whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle
You are a complete moron.
I am actually involved in footy this year.
I have actually coached two Premierships, Suburban footy that is. More idea than someone hiding anon behind a keyboard.
Most people know who I am here, you dont.
End of subject
Under 12s???
I reckon you were the janitor, I'd probably be a little miffed too if I scrubbed the skid marks of that many dunnies and still got the behind
Private Messge me arse wipe
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You are a complete moron.
I am actually involved in footy this year.
I have actually coached two Premierships, Suburban footy that is. More idea than someone hiding anon behind a keyboard.
Most people know who I am here, you dont.
End of subject
Under 12s???
I reckon you were the janitor, I'd probably be a little miffed too if I scrubbed the skid marks of that many dunnies and still got the behind
You would be surprised
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Private Messge me behind wipe
What am I supposed to PM you about?
If you're so desperate to tell me who you are just PM me yourself
I can tell that you're dying to big note yourself
"Don't you know who I am"
HAHAHA
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Private Messge me behind wipe
What am I supposed to PM you about?
If you're so desperate to tell me who you are just PM me yourself
I can tell that you're dying to big note yourself
"Don't you know who I am"
HAHAHA
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Not desperate to tell you anything. especially a faceless person -child behind a keyboard
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And furthermore, what different skill sets do Johncock and Mcleod have when compared with Tambling.
Lets see, they are all quick. Check :thumbsup
They have good skills. Check :thumbsup
And they are the same size. Check :thumbsup
Yep your right, one is a ruckman, the other is a Centre half Forward ::)
If anything, Tambling has more skills than them, he has inside midfielder ability.
Looking forward to your next moronic response. Muppet
thats the question einstein
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Not desperate to tell you anything. especially a faceless person -child behind a keyboard
Jack, in fairness, there is not a lot about yourself that you don't tell everyone. You just can't help yourself. Gee I even know where you went to dinner the other night.
It is obviously important to you that everyone knows everything so they know just how "good" you are. It's a shame you need to try and impress people on a football forum, as you say faceless people behind a keyboard. It doesn't actually matter what we think about you.
You are obviously very passionate about your views and like to be right and seen to be right. Unfortunately not everyone is going to agree with you. That's just life Jack.
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Not desperate to tell you anything. especially a faceless person -child behind a keyboard
Jack, in fairness, there is not a lot about yourself that you don't tell everyone. You just can't help yourself. Gee I even know where you went to dinner the other night.
It is obviously important to you that everyone knows everything so they know just how "good" you are. It's a shame you need to try and impress people on a football forum, as you say faceless people behind a keyboard. It doesn't actually matter what we think about you.
You are obviously very passionate about your views and like to be right and seen to be right. Unfortunately not everyone is going to agree with you. That's just life Jack.
It is just life. enjoy the day.
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What did you have for breakfast, Jack :rollin
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What did you have for breakfast, Jack :rollin
Toast with Vegemite Moi, and now off to gym , you ????
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Speciak K - can't go to the gym, injured :'(
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just as I thought
Jack doesnt have the knowledge or the balls to answer my question
Peanut ;)
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just as I thought
Jack doesnt have the knowledge or the balls to answer my question
Peanut ;)
Mate , I honestly cant be botheredwith your rubbish, Answering anon internet users ::) If you want to ask a question, PM and will try and answer your rubbish :whistle.
Might add have more balls than you sunshine ;)
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Yet you need to answer questions privately you gutless wonder
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just as I thought
Jack doesnt have the knowledge or the balls to answer my question
Peanut ;)
Mate , I honestly cant be botheredwith your rubbish, Answering anon internet users ::) If you want to ask a question, PM and will try and answer your rubbish :whistle.
Might add have more balls than you sunshine ;)
for a self proclaimed expert, you dont know much do you?
I mean really,you don't :whistle
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Blaisee, you are correct , I know absolutely zip :clapping
You know everything, you are a expert , genius in fact
Should be Terrys PA.
And furthermore Mr Expert, where do you work again ? What club ? And no Auskick isnt accepted either, :lol
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Yet you need to answer questions privately you gutless wonder
Oh Dear :whistle
Dont go hiding behind your keyboard now ,There isnt room there for both us :rollin :lol :lol :lol
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Looks like half of the comments in this thread have been made redundant by yesterdays win! If we beat Carlton and the Roos lose we could potentially be in the 8 by the end of the next round and with the other games coming up, we could have a nice run in. The pies are looking shaky and North are inconsistent so who knows TW may be up for an extension if we make the 8 this year. I'd give him one! No more than 3 though.
Oh and Jack....Don't knock the plastic footy! My first ever footy was a brown plastic special from a BP servo metal cage! They are a great benchmark. If you can kick a goal with one of those suckers from 50m out you should be playing AFL! :lol
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Looks like half of the comments in this thread have been made redundant by yesterdays win! If we beat Carlton and the Roos lose we could potentially be in the 8 by the end of the next round and with the other games coming up, we could have a nice run in. The pies are looking shaky and North are inconsistent so who knows TW may be up for an extension if we make the 8 this year. I'd give him one! No more than 3 though.
Oh and Jack....Don't knock the plastic footy! My first ever footy was a brown plastic special from a BP servo metal cage! They are a great benchmark. If you can kick a goal with one of those suckers from 50m out you should be playing AFL! :lol
They were great to kick. Not too good on a windy day though. :lol
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The issue now is that the club could infact win 10 games this season (based on the rest of the draw), if Wallace wins 10 games then March isnt gonna sack him.
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Yet you need to answer questions privately you gutless wonder
Oh Dear :whistle
Dont go hiding behind your keyboard now ,There isnt room there for both us :rollin :lol :lol :lol
Actually my identity is pretty easy to find out if you want to, don't even need to ask me
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The issue now is that the club could infact win 10 games this season (based on the rest of the draw), if Wallace wins 10 games then March isnt gonna sack him.
Another five years and cannonisation for sure. (deliberate sp error)
Saint Terry (a first I think)
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Blaisee, you are correct , I know absolutely zip :clapping
You know everything, you are a expert , genius in fact
Should be Terrys PA.
And furthermore Mr Expert, where do you work again ? What club ? And no Auskick isnt accepted either, :lol
standard jackstar play
When you get exposed as ignorant, just ignore the questions and add dribble
Congrats on being so consisistent and predicatble ;)
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Blaisee, you are correct , I know absolutely zip :clapping
You know everything, you are a expert , genius in fact
Should be Terrys PA.
And furthermore Mr Expert, where do you work again ? What club ? And no Auskick isnt accepted either, :lol
standard jackstar play
When you get exposed as ignorant, just ignore the questions and add dribble
Congrats on being so consisistent and predicatble ;)
Your Terry Wallace not Jordons sister.I am confused now. ???
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You must be happy with the way the Tiges and Wallace are going, Jack.
We could make the finals this year
Pretty good effort wouldn't you say from where we've come from this year
I only ask this of you becuase you've been critical in the past of Wallace.
That would be quite an achievement wouldn't you say?
:gotigers
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Oh and Jack....Don't knock the plastic footy! My first ever footy was a brown plastic special from a BP servo metal cage! They are a great benchmark. If you can kick a goal with one of those suckers from 50m out you should be playing AFL! :lol
50 meters !!!!!! :o With one of those brown plastic things. :o You must have been one hell of a player tiga. lol.
The best thing about those plastic footys is you didn't need to pump them up. Of course they always seemed flat when you kicked them. Good to practice your torp with, the only way to get any distance with them.
Can you still buy them?
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You must be happy with the way the Tiges and Wallace are going, Jack.
We could make the finals this year
Pretty good effort wouldn't you say from where we've come from this year
I only ask this of you becuase you've been critical in the past of Wallace.
That would be quite an achievement wouldn't you say?
:gotigers
Will admit, we are going alright, but I hate to see us finish and ""honorable 9th, 10th or 11th on the ladder. Same old , same old.
I am hard I know, but you get judged on performance, if you going to finish 9th , you might as well finish 8th and give players and supporters some hope in moving forward. Finishing 9th-12th isnt hope I am afraid.. Need to play finals if you dont finish on the bottom
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Well, there's still time to make the finals, Jack.
If we had won those close games, which we will probably kick ourselves for in the end, we may well and truly have been playing them. That is a significant improvement IMO.
Just over half way through the season, and except for a couple of horror games against the Swans in particular, we're going okay I reckon.
The games against the Hawks and Cats are the ones I was impressed with. We didn't get blown out of the water which shows we're either improving or losing that easy beat label. I would be happy to not make the finals, as long as we compete how we've been doing. Next year I reckon we'll be there.
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Blaisee, you are correct , I know absolutely zip :clapping
You know everything, you are a expert , genius in fact
Should be Terrys PA.
And furthermore Mr Expert, where do you work again ? What club ? And no Auskick isnt accepted either, :lol
standard jackstar play
When you get exposed as ignorant, just ignore the questions and add dribble
Congrats on being so consisistent and predicatble ;)
Your Terry Wallace not Jordons sister.I am confused now. ???
more crap from the crapmeister
still waiting to be educatedon how Tambling Johncock and mcleod have different skill sets. ::)
dont worry about answering, as there is no answer, even an amatuer like myself knows that.
You have enlightened me to something though jack, If you were one of the football experts the RFC employed in the past, then its quite clear why we have been crap for 28 years. The fact that the club woke up and sacked you ( and other people like you) who lacked the necessary talent for us to compete at the top leve, means we have to be moving forward.
Congratulations you are Exhibit A ;)
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We would have to do a 180 degree turn on our performance for the rest of the season for TW to get his contract terminated early - so let's get over it. He isn't going anywhere.
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I agree with you Jackstar - 8th is far better than 9th - 12th in terms of club confidence and as an indication of growth. I would still say that we have improved dramatically with an increasingly youthful list considering our ladder position last year.
Probably the best indicator of realistic, potential future success (for me at least) is the growth of our younger players. We are getting a real even spread of talent all across the ground. In our midfield we have Lids, Tuck, Foley, Cotch and White - if Lids and Cotch are tagged (which happened against Port) Tuck and Foley stand up, if Tuck and Foley are tagged - Lids and Cotch are dangerous.
The same situation appears to be developing in our forwardline with three even contibutors and two dangerous experienced forwards who drift in from time to time. Very hard to match up on.
The youth is starting to come through together now - TW should be given time to havest the fruits of his labour .... :cheers
Stripes
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I agree with you Stripes.
Whilst 8th may not eventuate (given we have blown 6 pts already this season), we look to have jumped away from the bottom 4 -5 teams. In anyones language that is an improvement. In the past 2 weeks we have had 8 and 9 and 7 goal quarters, that pretty much was unthinkable a while back. We are also regularly kicking over 100 pts. And at the same time getting heaps of gametime into our young players.
I would like to see us consolidate somewhere around position 8 -11 this year (whether that be in the finals or not, it doesnt matter) and win around 10 games. Start getting a winning culture back at tigerland, start getting 4 quarter efforts. I agree 8th is better than 9-11, but we need to be realistic...even 11 th is a huge improvement over 16th.
The signs are all positive ...I would think that should we make the finals next year, then Wallace will get his just rewards and have his contract extended. :)
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Blaisee, you are correct , I know absolutely zip :clapping
You know everything, you are a expert , genius in fact
Should be Terrys PA.
And furthermore Mr Expert, where do you work again ? What club ? And no Auskick isnt accepted either, :lol
standard jackstar play
When you get exposed as ignorant, just ignore the questions and add dribble
Congrats on being so consisistent and predicatble ;)
Your Terry Wallace not Jordons sister.I am confused now. ???
more crap from the crapmeister
still waiting to be educatedon how Tambling Johncock and mcleod have different skill sets. ::)
dont worry about answering, as there is no answer, even an amatuer like myself knows that.
You have enlightened me to something though jack, If you were one of the football experts the RFC employed in the past, then its quite clear why we have been crap for 28 years. The fact that the club woke up and sacked you ( and other people like you) who lacked the necessary talent for us to compete at the top leve, means we have to be moving forward.
Congratulations you are Exhibit A ;)
Your correct Blaisee, I have little idea about football and I dont even attend games.
I am a clown and have never played football. Little do you know ;)
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Terry's Next Contract ... with 3AW!
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Oh and Jack....Don't knock the plastic footy! My first ever footy was a brown plastic special from a BP servo metal cage! They are a great benchmark. If you can kick a goal with one of those suckers from 50m out you should be playing AFL! :lol
50 meters !!!!!! :o With one of those brown plastic things. :o You must have been one hell of a player tiga. lol.
The best thing about those plastic footys is you didn't need to pump them up. Of course they always seemed flat when you kicked them. Good to practice your torp with, the only way to get any distance with them.
Can you still buy them?
Not sure RROFO, Mine bit the dust many moons ago. In my early days you only had a choice of plastic or leather (Faulkner, Lyrebird or $$Sherrin). Synthetic footy's didn't exist at that time. I think it was the synthetic that probably caused the extinction of the plastic footy as they could survive multiple dog bites. Another evolutionary landmark in human adaptation. :lol A canine incision on a plastic footy killed what little compression they had. A kick would just mould around your foot and it would turn into an icecream container. :banghead Mind you that was if you were able to get it back from the dog!! I'm sure many of us plastic footy owners have had the view of a dogs backside disappearing at light speed with their beloved plastic firmly between its jaws!! BTW, I was never able to kick one 50m without a howling tailwind.
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Oh and Jack....Don't knock the plastic footy! My first ever footy was a brown plastic special from a BP servo metal cage! They are a great benchmark. If you can kick a goal with one of those suckers from 50m out you should be playing AFL! :lol
50 meters !!!!!! :o With one of those brown plastic things. :o You must have been one hell of a player tiga. lol.
The best thing about those plastic footys is you didn't need to pump them up. Of course they always seemed flat when you kicked them. Good to practice your torp with, the only way to get any distance with them.
Can you still buy them?
Not sure RROFO, Mine bit the dust many moons ago. In my early days you only had a choice of plastic or leather (Faulkner, Lyrebird or $$Sherrin). Synthetic footy's didn't exist at that time. I think it was the synthetic that probably caused the extinction of the plastic footy as they could survive multiple dog bites. Another evolutionary landmark in human adaptation. :lol A canine incision on a plastic footy killed what little compression they had. A kick would just mould around your foot and it would turn into an icecream container. :banghead Mind you that was if you were able to get it back from the dog!! I'm sure many of us plastic footy owners have had the view of a dogs backside disappearing at light speed with their bloved plastic firmly between its jaws!! BTW, I was never able to kick one 50m without a howling tailwind.
lol. I can still remember how much they used to hurt if you accidentally kicked them on the pointy end. Especially when wearing no shoes.
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Malthouse on Wallace in today's Australian...
Richmond's Terry Wallace may be a relieved man. Earlier in the season the media was suggesting his job was at risk and if he failed, Kevin Sheedy, with his background as a Tigers player, would be the ideal candidate for the job. Personally, I don't think Terry should have been worried because he is doing the job he said he would, and that is to build a list and work that list to its conclusion.
That doesn't stop the speculation, but after two good wins, the media, critics and doomsayers have fallen off.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23928332-5013406,00.html
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Hopefully the club listens to Malthouse and not some supporters :thumbsup
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It's been a quiet week ;D
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It's been a quiet week ;D
Wonder why :shh
:rollin
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It's been a quiet week ;D
Wonder why :shh
:rollin
Has been quiet, spend all my spare time on stuff, lol
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It's been a quiet week ;D
Wonder why :shh
:rollin
Has been quiet, spend all my spare time on stuff, lol
Tried it once, couldn't see the point. (stuff that is)
Jackstar, if we win the next three, is Terry safe?
8)
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It's been a quiet week ;D
Wonder why :shh
:rollin
Has been quiet, spend all my spare time on stuff, lol
Tried it once, couldn't see the point. (stuff that is)
Jackstar, if we win the next three, is Terry safe?
8)
Probably, if we lose the next three , probably not.
What is acceptable.? If we finish 10th this year ? . We need to play finals to show vast signs of improvement. If we finish outside the 8 as we usually do, is that an improvement? Nah!
Lets face it, we havent beaten much of late, and Carlton were horrible last week, we should win tomorrow.
If you take Richo efforts out of the season , where would we be at ?
You would think with all the "" carry on"" that we were in the top 4. ::).
God help the supporters if we were top4, they would be dribbling. lol
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I'm addicted to stuff.
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I'm addicted to stuff.
See u there
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Todays game just showed wwhat an imposter he really is.
Will some genuis on here please explain the following.
Reiwoldt and full back, then Richo at Full back.
Newman on Kreuser :o
King on Wiggins ::)
And no tag on Stevens.
We "" brag "" about our onballers, todays game was a real reality check in regards to how onballers should play. Stevens, Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, showed us how football should be played in the last quarter.
When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, we slow the game down and play the 10 metres chip kick game plan ::)
Eddie Betts or Richard Tambling,? Take Eddie Betts anyday.
Glad to see the back of Terry real soon.
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Todays game just showed wwhat an imposter he really is.
Will some genuis on here please explain the following.
Reiwoldt and full back, then Richo at Full back.
Newman on Kreuser :o
King on Wiggins ::)
And no tag on Stevens.
We "" brag "" about our onballers, todays game was a real reality check in regards to how onballers should play. Stevens, Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, showed us how football should be played in the last quarter.
When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, we slow the game down and play the 10 metres chip kick game plan ::)
Eddie Betts or Richard Tambling,? Take Eddie Betts anyday.
Glad to see the back of Terry real soon.
Foley went head to head with Stevens and got beaten, there were a few times that Foley let Stevens completely free so he has a bit to work on there.
Moore was stuff for the whole game you nonce
Newman was on Betts
Wiggins hardly did a lot, he only got 13 disposals off half back and his biggest impact in the game was entirely Bowden's fault
There were Carlton supporters ringing up MMM after the game and saying they thought Ratten was outcoached and was lucky to win the game.
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Todays game just showed wwhat an imposter he really is.
Will some genuis on here please explain the following.
Reiwoldt and full back, then Richo at Full back.
Newman on Kreuser :o
King on Wiggins ::)
And no tag on Stevens.
We "" brag "" about our onballers, todays game was a real reality check in regards to how onballers should play. Stevens, Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, showed us how football should be played in the last quarter.
When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, we slow the game down and play the 10 metres chip kick game plan ::)
Eddie Betts or Richard Tambling,? Take Eddie Betts anyday.
Glad to see the back of Terry real soon.
Like clockwork, Jack.
Always here when we lose, never when we win.
Go and play on stuff will ya
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Newman went to Betts from frst bounce.
For a period in the third quarter King was on Fisher ::)
Look I thought their planning was better than ours and they were able to nullify Simmo ruck ascendancy by placing Blues players in the right areas at the centre bounce and thus laying the foundation to their win in the midfield and hard ball gets.
Their midfield destroyed us. Gibbs Murphy Simpson Stevens and if Judd was there could have possibly been an even uglier end result. We still have a long way to go if we can't beat the Blues who we perceive to be worse than us. The Richo injury cancels out Judd's absence to an extent but we had Richo for 3 quarters. Terry was outcoached during the week in preparation and today the extent of Carlton's planning was too much to overcome come their midfield run in the last quarter. Just not good enough thank God for the Bye next week.
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Todays game just showed wwhat an imposter he really is.
Will some genuis on here please explain the following.
Reiwoldt and full back, then Richo at Full back.
Newman on Kreuser :o
King on Wiggins ::)
And no tag on Stevens.
We "" brag "" about our onballers, todays game was a real reality check in regards to how onballers should play. Stevens, Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, showed us how football should be played in the last quarter.
When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, we slow the game down and play the 10 metres chip kick game plan ::)
Eddie Betts or Richard Tambling,? Take Eddie Betts anyday.
Glad to see the back of Terry real soon.
Like clockwork, Jack.
Always here when we lose, never when we win.
Go and play on stuff will ya
At least I go to the footy Moi, you ? :gobdrop
Today was a disgrace, roll out all Premiership Cups and past players for what ? To "" fluff "" the supporters up.
They wont and will not address the real issues at the club.
Moi, you and others are easily please. You call wins falling in over Melbourne and Port wins ? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Maybe moi would go if we met up with her, you TFL and me for a drink before the game like when we were all mates? :rollin
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Saying today was a disgrace is a little strong. I believe we were the dominant team for most of the game if not, at least highly competitive. Sure we didn't stick with it when it counted but I think using the term "Disgrace" is an injustice to quite a few of our players who performed admirably today but I guess it shows just how bitter you can be at times Jack. ::)
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Saying today was a disgrace is a little strong. I believe we were the dominant team for most of the game if not, at least highly competitive. Sure we didn't stick with it when it counted but I think using the term "Disgrace" is an injustice to quite a few of our players who performed admirably today but I guess it shows just how bitter you can be at times Jack. ::)
Why do you take you glasses off and watch the game. Tell me WHO played admirably?
Got beat by 5 goals after leading at each change,
I will tell you what the postives are from the game, Cotchin, Morton, Lids, Moore, Morton. Hughes. The rest can hang there head. Big game for the club in many ways and has been the case on many occassions over a number of years, we failed again.
March said, we will let the footy do the talking, it was plain dribble today. If Judd plays , they would of flogged us as we got murdered at centre clearnances.
The past players they rolled out before the game would be ""livered "" in what they seen today.
We were dare NOT mention Richard Tambling will we, when is he ever going to put his head over the ball. He will have an important week in October 2008, its called trade week
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And furthermore TIGA, i dont know why you keep implementing me and bitternes, I dont work there thank god.
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Terry doesnt deserve another contract - the way things are working out. He will most likely win 8 games or something this season after 4 years of coaching, getting a side 8 wins in a season is a pretty poor return imho.
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Terry doesnt deserve another contract - the way things are working out. He will most likely win 8 games or something this season after 4 years of coaching, getting a side 8 wins in a season is a pretty poor return imho.
Correct! :clapping :clapping :clapping
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if anyone thinks he should get another contract just watch the replay again.
Jack on Kruzer/cloke at full back.
i shouldn't be surprised really after the hyde/goodes match up.
he should be shown the same door as pagan was shown.
He has brought us cotch, lids, foley and for that we can build a team around, however he has done nothing more.
we still rely on richo and our skill level is as bad as it was the day he come.
he has gotta go season's end and take king and royal as well.
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We "" brag "" about our onballers, todays game was a real reality check in regards to how onballers should play. Stevens, Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, showed us how football should be played in the last quarter.
When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, we slow the game down and play the 10 metres chip kick game plan ::)
Team stopped running that's why. If you want to pin anything on Wallace then blame him for playing underdone players like King and Sugar when we are already carrying Cotchin who can only be used in bursts. The game was a repeat of round 1 with the teams reversed. We simply ran out of puff after not putting the score on the board when we should have and paid dearly.
And who's bragged about our midfield? What's been said on here is we are starting to build a decent one with Lids, Cotch and Foley but we lack depth and a 205cm ruckman. Depth was also an issue for our defence yesterday with Thursty and McGuane out injured. Moore would've taken Fisher if Thursty played while McGuane would've also been an option for Fisher or the resting Carlton ruckman. We were robbing Peter to pay Paul.
If you want to call something a disgrace then point to our set shot goalkicking or should that be pointkicking ::). Missing gimme after gimme when you are on top kills ya and you can't pin that on the coach. Set shots 40m out within the vee and 15m hook around set shots all missed :banghead. All that good work and energy by those upfield continually wasted. We had more scoring shots yesterday than last week yet kicked 8 goals less. Kick 'em and we would've won.
Yes I'm still ticked off over the goalkicking. Bad kicking is bad footy :banghead
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Nathan Browns performance yesterday was disgraceful also, Id almost drop him for that rubbish yesterday and whilst we are sticking the boots in, Axel Foley seems to have gotten ahead of himself since his Victorian game, hes been very average lately, and looking like a rookie listed player rather than the Victorian representative we had early in the season.
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We "" brag "" about our onballers, todays game was a real reality check in regards to how onballers should play. Stevens, Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, showed us how football should be played in the last quarter.
When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, we slow the game down and play the 10 metres chip kick game plan ::)
Team stopped running that's why. If you want to pin anything on Wallace then blame him for playing underdone players like King and Sugar when we are already carrying Cotchin who can only be used in bursts. The game was a repeat of round 1 with the teams reversed. We simply ran out of puff after not putting the score on the board when we should have and paid dearly.
And who's bragged about our midfield? What's been said on here is we are starting to build a decent one with Lids, Cotch and Foley but we lack depth and a 205cm ruckman. Depth was also an issue for our defence yesterday with Thursty and McGuane out injured. Moore would've taken Fisher if Thursty played while McGuane would've also been an option for Fisher or the resting Carlton ruckman. We were robbing Peter to pay Paul.
If you want to call something a disgrace then point to our set shot goalkicking or should that be pointkicking ::). Missing gimme after gimme when you are on top kills ya and you can't pin that on the coach. Set shots 40m out within the vee and 15m hook around set shots all missed :banghead. All that good work and energy by those upfield continually wasted. We had more scoring shots yesterday than last week yet kicked 8 goals less. Kick 'em and we would've won.
Yes I'm still ticked off over the goalkicking. Bad kicking is bad footy :banghead
Our work rate at stoppages was poor. Have a real good look at where Nick Stevens stands, and a lesser extent Murphy at stoppages. They are extremely well coached.
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Nathan Browns performance yesterday was disgraceful also, Id almost drop him for that rubbish yesterday and whilst we are sticking the boots in, Axel Foley seems to have gotten ahead of himself since his Victorian game, hes been very average lately, and looking like a rookie listed player rather than the Victorian representative we had early in the season.
I think you'll find that the tagger that had been on Lids all year in the midfield has now been going to Foley which is why Lids stats have been so good and Foley has dropped off. Against Carlton he was head to head with Stevens and got beaten, but the kid is still only 21 so he'll get better.
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I will tell you what the postives are from the game, Cotchin, Morton, Lids, Moore, Morton. Hughes. The rest can hang there head.
Is this right Jack, you can either have a good game or hang you head in shame? Cant have a decent game or have tried your guts out?
Do you honesly believe Browny was tring to miss those goals, Richo didnt give his all, or Tucky wasnt totally spent trying. Yet these guys should all hang their heads, give me a break.
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Browny Fluffy was trying to kick those goals I agree but he is a very selfish player. Unless the ball comes to him on his chest he will not go for hit ie overhead and there were some instances when I saw him not go full pelt when it was time to put his body on the line and go hard for the footy. Generally he is an excellent and polished finisher but the way his body language was yesterday was not filling him nor any of us with confidence and it seems he would rather make an easy shot difficult when he has a set shot. Dit it a few times against Essendon but it did not mean anything as we were always going to win. Also seems that he wants everyone to do the work for him and his work rate has dropped off also. Needs to go back and refocus and do the simple team things correctly.
Agree Foley too has been more inconspiciouous since the State game although he had a great game last week. Agree he has had more attention put on him but he needs to learn to shake the tag and play attacking and accountable himself. Stevens was so damaging against him yesterday.
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I will tell you what the postives are from the game, Cotchin, Morton, Lids, Moore, Morton. Hughes. The rest can hang there head.
Is this right Jack, you can either have a good game or hang you head in shame? Cant have a decent game or have tried your guts out?
Do you honesly believe Browny was tring to miss those goals, Richo didnt give his all, or Tucky wasnt totally spent trying. Yet these guys should all hang their heads, give me a break.
This game was huge to the club, a loss isnt acceptable.
I still cant beleive we just rolled over and died in the last quarter.
Too play unaccountable football in the last quarter was a disgrace to the players that played and coaches accordingly.
Hey Fluffy, who do you want to blame the supporters :banghead
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Hey Fluffy, who do you want to blame the supporters :banghead
Just dont believe that its a black and white as "good game" and "hang your head in shame". I agree with some of what you say and I have never been a Wallace supporter but I cant see any possible good it does to say the guys that had a go but didnt succed "hang you head in shame". Do you agree its possble to have a go and not win?
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Nathan Browns performance yesterday was disgraceful also, Id almost drop him for that rubbish yesterday and whilst we are sticking the boots in, Axel Foley seems to have gotten ahead of himself since his Victorian game, hes been very average lately, and looking like a rookie listed player rather than the Victorian representative we had early in the season.
I think you'll find that the tagger that had been on Lids all year in the midfield has now been going to Foley which is why Lids stats have been so good and Foley has dropped off. Against Carlton he was head to head with Stevens and got beaten, but the kid is still only 21 so he'll get better.
I had a bad gut feeling about this game walking to the G yesterday.
l think it was obvious that Stevens was going to be the one to really step up in lieu of Judd.
Should have been tagged from the beginning.Wallet paid him no respect and he totally ripped us to shreds.Not bad for a bloke that has some serious back and neck issues that require ongoing treatment each week!
Overall i agree that Ratten totally outcoached wallet and brilliant mindgames with the announcement of Judd not playing the day before.
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Hey Fluffy, who do you want to blame the supporters :banghead
Just dont believe that its a black and white as "good game" and "hang your head in shame". I agree with some of what you say and I have never been a Wallace supporter but I cant see any possible good it does to say the guys that had a go but didnt succed "hang you head in shame". Do you agree its possble to have a go and not win?
It is black and white actually.
As a team they lost, the game was there to be won at three quarter time and they couldnt do it as a team and werent good enough. Not enogh leaders in the team or direction in regards to game plan. Would love to know what was said at the three quarter time break. Most of the players played unaccountable football in the last quarter, thus were blown away.
Funny thing after the siren though
I sat in the AFL members and even the Carlton supporters were giving it to Wallace and the team when they came off the ground. Quite odd as there theme song was playing but they were more intent in getting stuck into Wallace , lol
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The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.
If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.
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The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.
If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.
You must have been to Terrys school of spin.
Who played on Nick Stevens in the last quarter, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs, ?? I know whitches hats that who.!
The didnt have Judd either ::)
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Saying today was a disgrace is a little strong. I believe we were the dominant team for most of the game if not, at least highly competitive. Sure we didn't stick with it when it counted but I think using the term "Disgrace" is an injustice to quite a few of our players who performed admirably today but I guess it shows just how bitter you can be at times Jack. ::)
Why do you take you glasses off and watch the game. Tell me WHO played admirably?
Got beat by 5 goals after leading at each change,
I will tell you what the postives are from the game, Cotchin, Morton, Lids, Moore, Morton. Hughes.
Well why do I need to debate you Jack when you already appear to be debating with yourself. ??? Every palyer you mentioned were the ones I was talking about except we only have one Morton at the RFC. As soon as you stop answering your own questions there may be room ror some discussion but until then you have your sandbox to yourself.
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Tiga, its a disgrace we got beat, Its a team game.
Would think every player could have contributed more in the last quarter
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I honestly believe Terry is approaching the end game. My tip is that we will only win 3 more games this season. 8 wins would be dissapointing for the season and 2009 would have to be a breakout season for a lot of lads on our list to turn the tide.
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The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.
If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.
You must have been to Terrys school of spin.
Who played on Nick Stevens in the last quarter, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs, ?? I know whitches hats that who.!
The didnt have Judd either ::)
Only watched the last quarter did you Jack?!
2.7 acceptable from the type of straightforward shots we had in the first quarter? Should have been 7.2 at least and with the first 2 goals of the 2nd quarter we should have been 7 goals up = game over. But to Jack that had no effect on the result.
Browny as a forward kicking 6 points and no goals up to 3/4 time acceptable? No complaints from Jack.
You can blame the coach all you like for tactical moves in the last qtr but if believe others being peeed off with our pathetic goalkicking on the weekend is "spin" then why should we take anything you say any differently.
Tiga, its a disgrace we got beat
You're the one who rated Carlton ahead of Richmond yet you're the most upset we lost to them. Odd! I'm upset we lost because we should have kicked all those sodas we missed and won. If they were shots from out wide by the boundary, quick snaps under physically pressure or long bombs outside 50 you could justify it in some way but ost of our shots weren't. But we can't blame the coach for that so let's ignore it lol.
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The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.
If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.
You must have been to Terrys school of spin.
Who played on Nick Stevens in the last quarter, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs, ?? I know whitches hats that who.!
The didnt have Judd either ::)
Only watched the last quarter did you Jack?!
2.7 acceptable from the type of straightforward shots we had in the first quarter? Should have been 7.2 at least and with the first 2 goals of the 2nd quarter we should have been 7 goals up = game over. But to Jack that had no effect on the result.
Browny as a forward kicking 6 points and no goals up to 3/4 time acceptable? No complaints from Jack.
You can blame the coach all you like for tactical moves in the last qtr but if believe others being peeed off with our pathetic goalkicking on the weekend is "spin" then why should we take anything you say any differently.
Tiga, its a disgrace we got beat
You're the one who rated Carlton ahead of Richmond yet you're the most upset we lost to them. Odd! I'm upset we lost because we should have kicked all those sodas we missed and won. If they were shots from out wide by the boundary, quick snaps under physically pressure or long bombs outside 50 you could justify it in some way but ost of our shots weren't. But we can't blame the coach for that so let's ignore it lol.
Mt i think u live in dream land sometimes. ZI know you want success and all but how can say it was the easy shots that lost us the game.
true bad kicking is bad football but how many behinds did the BLUES kick again?
thats right exactly the same so they were in the same boat.
at the end of the day it was match day decisions like not tagging stevo and jack maybe even richo in the backline, then richo at FF which lost us the game.
Come on mate get your Terry Wallace goggles off and watch the replay again.
i just want Tw and his mates to NEVER talk up another game ever again.
line in the sand....hahaha
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I honestly believe Terry is approaching the end game. My tip is that we will only win 3 more games this season. 8 wins would be dissapointing for the season and 2009 would have to be a breakout season for a lot of lads on our list to turn the tide.
8 wins this year would be on expectations IMO. Could/should have we won more - yep - but we haven't been simply good enough to play footy at the level required consistently enough during games as well as from game to game all year and that's what has cost us. 8 wins would also give us a top 5 pick. Good for our list but not for Plough's chances of seeing beyond his current contract. I still think he'll see out his 5 years but we'll look for someone else for 2010 and beyond. The only thing that will change that is, as you said Jake, the team would have to have a major breakout year but I still think we are a couple of years from that with our young list.
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Its not only the amount of wins you earn in a year its also the opposition you beat.
Carlton 9th
Fremantle 14th
Essendon 12th
Melbourne 16th
Port 13th
Doesn't read out like a roll call of the big guns.
Sure bad kicking is bad football and we were all rapt in rd 1 when the roles were reversed and Rotten had no moves in the last qt for the Blues but yesterdays loss was galling to the whole footy club considering the promotion tumult and merryment we had accompanying it. Okay people will say we are rebuilding but we kind of weren't in 05 and 06 and our records in "big games" was poor then too.
Sure Terry has struggled in that area and he may not be the man going forward but then again we have had poor results in "big game" area against finals opposition since the 1982 Grand Final. Sure we can isolate Terry's moves on a given day which don't help our cause at all nor his so called savvyness where we talk the talk but not walk the walk but the culture at Punt Rd is an intrinsic component to our lack of success over a generation and unless that is changed we will continually fail and flounder against the Big Boys in the Big Games in this Comp.
The real issues/ problems the ones that are deep rooted such as negative culture and perhaps the psyche of the players and overestimation of some of our players the God like status we give players after a win who then proceed to do nothing. It comes in levels known as JPS Justin Plapp Syndrome or NDTI or Nick Daffy Terminal Illness, or our psyche as fans who have been starved of any success and hence we are either always optimistic/ pessimistic over a long period of time waiting for that drought breaking breakthrough success. These problems unfortunantely will still be decaying our club well after Terry (The Messiah) has left the building.
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I honestly believe Terry is approaching the end game. My tip is that we will only win 3 more games this season. 8 wins would be dissapointing for the season and 2009 would have to be a breakout season for a lot of lads on our list to turn the tide.
8 wins this year would be on expectations IMO. Could/should have we won more - yep - but we haven't been simply good enough to play footy at the level required consistently enough during games as well as from game to game all year and that's what has cost us. 8 wins would also give us a top 5 pick. Good for our list but not for Plough's chances of seeing beyond his current contract. I still think he'll see out his 5 years but we'll look for someone else for 2010 and beyond. The only thing that will change that is, as you said Jake, the team would have to have a major breakout year but I still think we are a couple of years from that with our young list.
This is exactly the problem for me MT. The game should have been over at QT yesterday and with the inconsistencies in our game there is always going to be a chance for the other mob to get back into the game. How many 4 quarter games have we played this season? Essendon? Any others
I would have hoped 4 years into a rebuilding cycle that you'd at least be a bit more consistent and I think it makes it hard for the board to trust TW beyond this contract unless we have a very solid season next season.
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Essendon no we squandered a 50 point half time lead. Freo was our only 4 quarter effort of the season.
So was Sydney but for all the wrong reasons.
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To those that say our goalkicking didn't matter to the end result......
We had more scoring shots for over 3/4ers of the game and until after the Blues had hit the front in the last quarter. They had something like 11 of the last 14 scoring shots of which 7 were goals. We had our chances to put them away well before then.
From memory our first 9 shots on goal:
Browny tries to kick a difficult one off the ground - miss
Morton 15 out on a 60 degree angle - miss
Browny with the same shot as Morton - miss
Newy runs to 40 directly in front - miss
Browny receives handball from Cotchin in space runs to 35 on a 20 degree angle - miss
Morton gets another chance same as his first shot - goal
Browny from 45 on a 45 degree angle outer side - miss
Lids same shot as Browny after the siren - goal
IIRC the one I'm missing was rushed.
I don't care what Carlton did. No control over that. Port had more scoring shots last week but we won because we kicked straight. Dogs had more scoring shots but we drew. We had more scoring shots against St Kilda but lost. We control our goalkicking and most of those misses above are unforgivable at any level let alone AFL. I don't care what anyone says. And you can't blame fatigue in the first quarter either ::). When you add Hughes and Simmo's goals early in the 2nd quarter it should have been game over. Browny missed another gimme straight after Simmo's goal too which Carlton ran up the ground for their 2nd goal. So instead of an 8 goal lead it was back to under 2 goals. But hey keep telling me it made no difference! :whistle
I'm not saying the tactics, match-ups and tags aren't important but the game could and should have been over by the 10 minute mark of the 2nd quarter. People including those at AFL clubs severely neglect the importance of accurate goalkicking to winning games. At the end of the day it's the whole point to the sport.
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Its not only the amount of wins you earn in a year its also the opposition you beat.
Carlton 9th
Fremantle 14th
Essendon 12th
Melbourne 16th
Port 13th
Doesn't read out like a roll call of the big guns.
I guess with us our ladder position is a true reflection of where we are at. If we beat the Eagles then we've knocked off every side below us yet only beaten one side above us which we've also lost to. We did draw with the Dogs who are 2nd. That was probably our classiest effort for the year.
I had a look at what Geelong under Bomber Thompson did in his 4th year (2003) and they had 7 1/2 wins to finish 12th. 6 wins came against fellow bottom 8 sides including 4 wins against teams below them. They lost to the wooden spooners twice but knocked off ladder leader Port by a point and drew with the Eagles (7th) but both those games were at Kardinia Park which interstate sides wouldn't be use to. Their percentage was 89.
The following year (2004) after winning only 1 of their first 5 including losing their first 3 games they then rattled off 13 wins from 15 with the two defeats interstate by less than a kick. They finished with 15 wins, 120% and a top 4 spot. They went on to play in the PF before narrowly losing to Brisbane at the 'G.
Well that sort of breakout year in 2009 might save Terry :lol.
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I would have hoped 4 years into a rebuilding cycle that you'd at least be a bit more consistent and I think it makes it hard for the board to trust TW beyond this contract unless we have a very solid season next season.
Agree Jake. That's why I think at the end of 2009 they'll say thanks Plough for taking the list this far but we think after 5 years someone else is needed to take the team further than it has progressed. Only a finals campaign next year would change their minds. I think Gary March has said publicly he's expecting finals next year. I still think we are a couple of years off that. The oldest of the new core are still only 22.
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The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.
If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.
You must have been to Terrys school of spin.
Who played on Nick Stevens in the last quarter, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs, ?? I know whitches hats that who.!
The didnt have Judd either ::)
Only watched the last quarter did you Jack?!
2.7 acceptable from the type of straightforward shots we had in the first quarter? Should have been 7.2 at least and with the first 2 goals of the 2nd quarter we should have been 7 goals up = game over. But to Jack that had no effect on the result.
Browny as a forward kicking 6 points and no goals up to 3/4 time acceptable? No complaints from Jack.
You can blame the coach all you like for tactical moves in the last qtr but if believe others being peeed off with our pathetic goalkicking on the weekend is "spin" then why should we take anything you say any differently.
Tiga, its a disgrace we got beat
You're the one who rated Carlton ahead of Richmond yet you're the most upset we lost to them. Odd! I'm upset we lost because we should have kicked all those sodas we missed and won. If they were shots from out wide by the boundary, quick snaps under physically pressure or long bombs outside 50 you could justify it in some way but ost of our shots weren't. But we can't blame the coach for that so let's ignore it lol.
Mt i think u live in dream land sometimes. ZI know you want success and all but how can say it was the easy shots that lost us the game.
true bad kicking is bad football but how many behinds did the BLUES kick again?
thats right exactly the same so they were in the same boat.
at the end of the day it was match day decisions like not tagging stevo and jack maybe even richo in the backline, then richo at FF which lost us the game.
Come on mate get your Terry Wallace goggles off and watch the replay again.
i just want Tw and his mates to NEVER talk up another game ever again.
line in the sand....hahaha
Carlton 5 rushed points. Richmond 4.
Carlton missed easy shots as well. ::) Ahhh you must not have been watching
According to MT, this was only one team playing on Saturday and that was Richmond.
Reality MT we got smashed at clearnances by a younger bunch of players(take Nick Stevens out of it) who play direct corridor football in the last quarter instead of chipping the ball sideways and kicking short.
Too blame bad kicking just shows how biased you are too Richmond, and you cant see both sides of the game.( or you cant see the other side of the ground from where you sit.)lol
Carlton are well ahead of us in development and there game plan is much better than the rubbish we dish up every week.
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(take Nick Stevens out of it)
The only thing wrong with that argument is that if you did......we would have won. By a lot ;D
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I had a look at what Geelong under Bomber Thompson did in his 4th year (2003) and they had 7 1/2 wins to finish 12th. 6 wins came against fellow bottom 8 sides including 4 wins against teams below them. They lost to the wooden spooners twice but knocked off ladder leader Port by a point and drew with the Eagles (7th) but both those games were at Kardinia Park which interstate sides wouldn't be use to. Their percentage was 89.
The following year (2004) after winning only 1 of their first 5 including losing their first 3 games they then rattled off 13 wins from 15 with the two defeats interstate by less than a kick. They finished with 15 wins, 120% and a top 4 spot. They went on to play in the PF before narrowly losing to Brisbane at the 'G.
Very good comparison, that's exactly why people wanting to jump the gun and fire Terry are talking out their ass
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No hope of us winning 15 games next year. Not a snowflakes. We are a long way of where Geelong were, the personnel at Geelong at the end of year 4 were a long way ahead of where we are at, a long long way ahead.
Best thing for Richmond, is lose as much as possible for the rest of the season and try and get a top 5 pick so we can get a Watts.
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No hope of us winning 15 games next year. Not a snowflakes. We are a long way of where Geelong were, the personnel at Geelong at the end of year 4 were a long way ahead of where we are at, a long long way ahead.
I agree, but they had a pretty decent advantage of having some players who were regulars in finals from before Thompson took over in addition to some pretty handy father-son selections. Even with those advantages, it still took them over 4 years to rebuild and they were still down the bottom. I don't think we'll win 15 games next year, but it just shows you how long it takes, especially when you were as far behind as we were.
Best thing for Richmond, is lose as much as possible for the rest of the season and try and get a top 5 pick so we can get a Watts.
I reluctantly agree, he needs to be our #1 target, we at least need a pick in the Top 6, but I'd love to get Watts then a ruck with our 2nd rounder.
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I had a look at what Geelong under Bomber Thompson did in his 4th year (2003) and they had 7 1/2 wins to finish 12th. 6 wins came against fellow bottom 8 sides including 4 wins against teams below them. They lost to the wooden spooners twice but knocked off ladder leader Port by a point and drew with the Eagles (7th) but both those games were at Kardinia Park which interstate sides wouldn't be use to. Their percentage was 89.
The following year (2004) after winning only 1 of their first 5 including losing their first 3 games they then rattled off 13 wins from 15 with the two defeats interstate by less than a kick. They finished with 15 wins, 120% and a top 4 spot. They went on to play in the PF before narrowly losing to Brisbane at the 'G.
Very good comparison, that's exactly why people wanting to jump the gun and fire Terry are talking out their ass
He cant coach, its pretty simple. :Look at the match ups each week.
And have a good look at the game plan
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The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.
If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.
You must have been to Terrys school of spin.
Who played on Nick Stevens in the last quarter, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs, ?? I know whitches hats that who.!
The didnt have Judd either ::)
Only watched the last quarter did you Jack?!
2.7 acceptable from the type of straightforward shots we had in the first quarter? Should have been 7.2 at least and with the first 2 goals of the 2nd quarter we should have been 7 goals up = game over. But to Jack that had no effect on the result.
Browny as a forward kicking 6 points and no goals up to 3/4 time acceptable? No complaints from Jack.
You can blame the coach all you like for tactical moves in the last qtr but if believe others being peeed off with our pathetic goalkicking on the weekend is "spin" then why should we take anything you say any differently.
Tiga, its a disgrace we got beat
You're the one who rated Carlton ahead of Richmond yet you're the most upset we lost to them. Odd! I'm upset we lost because we should have kicked all those sodas we missed and won. If they were shots from out wide by the boundary, quick snaps under physically pressure or long bombs outside 50 you could justify it in some way but ost of our shots weren't. But we can't blame the coach for that so let's ignore it lol.
Mt i think u live in dream land sometimes. ZI know you want success and all but how can say it was the easy shots that lost us the game.
true bad kicking is bad football but how many behinds did the BLUES kick again?
thats right exactly the same so they were in the same boat.
at the end of the day it was match day decisions like not tagging stevo and jack maybe even richo in the backline, then richo at FF which lost us the game.
Come on mate get your Terry Wallace goggles off and watch the replay again.
i just want Tw and his mates to NEVER talk up another game ever again.
line in the sand....hahaha
Carlton 5 rushed points. Richmond 4.
Carlton missed easy shots as well. ::) Ahhh you must not have been watching
According to MT, this was only one team playing on Saturday and that was Richmond.
Reality MT we got smashed at clearnances by a younger bunch of players(take Nick Stevens out of it) who play direct corridor football in the last quarter instead of chipping the ball sideways and kicking short.
Too blame bad kicking just shows how biased you are too Richmond, and you cant see both sides of the game.( or you cant see the other side of the ground from where you sit.)lol
Carlton are well ahead of us in development and there game plan is much better than the rubbish we dish up every week.
They are well ahead in development yet you're calling us losing to them a disgrace. As I said odd!
So I'm biased towards Richmond because I'm critical of Richmond's goalkicking on Saturday :huh. Did you realise what you've typed :rollin. I also was talking about the first 40 minutes when the game should have been put away but you continue to deliberately ignore that because the blame for that period of the game is on the players :rolleyes. Browny missing 5 shots, 4 of which were gimmes for a forward, had no affect on the game did it. I can just imagine the outcry if that was Richo. So Carlton missed shots too? Then why didn't we punish them for it with all the opportunities we had. Oh I forgot you would then have to lay blame on our players and we can't have that as it's all Wallace's fault lol. Bucks and Russell on 3aw are just now talking about Browny's misses and if he had kicked most of them it would have changed the result. Are they biased towards Richmond too :rolleyes.
You'll also find 8 of Carlton's top 10 possession getters on Saturday are 23 or older. Midfielders Stevens, Scotland, Carrazzo and Bentick amongst them. Stevens was best of ground so you can't take him out of the equation lol. Their seniors players stood up in the end; ours didn't. I said on Saturday night we got smashed in the clearances after half-time with the tide turning midway during the second quarter. It's called punishing a side for letting you off the hook. We did it to them in round 1 when they ran out of juice.
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Carlton 1.5 Richmond 2.7 quarter time
Carlton 5.9 Richmond 7.9 Half time
Carlton 10.12 Richmond 10.13
Carlton 17.16 Richmond 12.16
Murphy 8 Contested possesions for game
Betts 7
Carlton uncontested possesions 224, Richmond 274
Total Possesions Carlton 333 Richmond 370.
You a master of spin MT, just like Terry Wallet.
They kicked as bad as us as the quarter by quarter scores indicate.
They dont overuse the ball as we do, and they actually win the hard ball..
Forget about inaccurate kicking sunshine, why dont we attack the footy and win possesion more often instead of having weak priks like Joel Bowden and Jordon McMahon winning uncontested ball each weak.( 42 uncontested possesions between them and they play in D 50, please) ::)
can also tell you MT , opposition clubs think that Richmond are we as pee when opposition teams hit them hard, ala Hyde on sat, when Cloke continually got stuck into him after he stop chasing etc.
Interesting as well that the herald sun ranking had us ranked at 1702 and Carlton 1598.
We have a serious problem with the game plan and the way we are coached.
Nah, you cant see that, you and others want to give Wallace and his clowns another year. why ?? Do you like pain ?
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Jacks logic is right,,,,,next year ...
I said to mates when the tiger brood started getting excited, we are realistically no chance of finals this year. Saints and Bulldogs and even dawks we were realistic chances, but it didn't happen, if we had of won these it may be a different story, but it is NOT. Where we are @ we will win games, but what coll nth syd adel showed us is we can fall away pretty quick when we are not on, we will drop some we are expected to win (this week) :banghead and we can snag one's we are not.
I think see out the year, put the feelers out and if we are not at the absolute least 6-5 at the halfway mark next year we have to move on. It will be the 5th year and it is all about the bottom line, I am sick to fuggin death of losing and being a joke :banghead
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Yep, I am sick of losing to actually, and being the joke of the AFL
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Carlton 1.5 Richmond 2.7 quarter time
Carlton 5.9 Richmond 7.9 Half time
Carlton 10.12 Richmond 10.13
Carlton 17.16 Richmond 12.16
Murphy 8 Contested possesions for game
Betts 7
Carlton uncontested possesions 224, Richmond 274
Total Possesions Carlton 333 Richmond 370.
You a master of spin MT, just like Terry Wallet.
They kicked as bad as us as the quarter by quarter scores indicate.
They dont overuse the ball as we do, and they actually win the hard ball..
Forget about inaccurate kicking sunshine, why dont we attack the footy and win possesion more often instead of having weak priks like Joel Bowden and Jordon McMahon winning uncontested ball each weak.( 42 uncontested possesions between them and they play in D 50, please) ::)
can also tell you MT , opposition clubs think that Richmond are we as pee when opposition teams hit them hard, ala Hyde on sat, when Cloke continually got stuck into him after he stop chasing etc.
Interesting as well that the herald sun ranking had us ranked at 1702 and Carlton 1598.
We have a serious problem with the game plan and the way we are coached.
Nah, you cant see that, you and others want to give Wallace and his clowns another year. why ?? Do you like pain ?
Yep because sacking the coach mid-contract has worked so well over the past 25 years at eliminating our pain and all our ills.
It's called a contract Jack! Are you going to donate to the club to pay out Wallace and any other staff contracted? And don't give me the if we get so and so as coach suddenly the $$$ and members will miraculously roll in because fairytales don't happen. Like supporters ringing up radio stations this week wanting KB as president lol. Hey wasn't a mysterious group going to stuff out the dough to toss out Wallace after round 8 last year or was that round 12 or round 22 or rounds 6, 8 or 12 this year or this week after the Carlton game?! A bit shy of the limelight are they or the typical chicken littles :lol.
If you don't like pain Jack then I suggest you go follow someone else for the next couple of years as no matter who coaches us in that time they will still need a honeymoon period before the new young core is sifted and mature and those drafted after them develop. If you think a change in coach is the magic bullet then you'll be bitterly disappointed. Better off allowing Wallace to cop the angst from supporters while the kids get another 20-30 games under their belt and then bring in the new coach.
As for spin - if spin means I don't accept poor goalkicking skills and poor skills in general from players who have the ability to deliver better then that's fine by me. If it means I don't tolerate us kicking more points than goals in three out of 4 quarters then that's fine too. I might add that shots that miss altogether or that don't make the distance when they should from inside 50 ::) don't register as scoring shots. You're justifying our poor goalkicking because they missed a few too. Well I guess that makes it all right and dandy then. Talk about accepting mediocrity while accusing others of doing so :rollin.
Bowden had 9 contested possessions on the weekend (3rd most of any player on the ground) so so much for stats lol. We also matched them in tackles. Why won't you criticise Browny for Saturday Jack like you just did for Bowden and McMahon? Is that because you can't trace his 6-7 behinds ::) back to flaws in Wallace's gameplan. If Browny had nailed most of those sitters - we win, he'd have 3 Brownlow votes and we would all be here dancing about how great it is that he is back to 2005 form. How about Simmo and Patto in the ruck - 22 hitouts to 10 in the first half; 11-13 in the second half. That just might have something to do with Carlton winning in the centre after half-time.
Btw we had far more contested ball against the Saints and we still lost. Oh that's right we lost that game too because we missed our chances in front of goal :scream. Milne also kicked 7 remember. Hmmm I wonder what the result would've been if he missed every one of those 7 like Browny did on the weekend. But of course let's forget about accurate/inaccurate kicking as far as deciding the outcome of games :wallywink.
Goalkicking is a skill and poor skills especially unforced errors such as missing gimme goals or missing open teammates (hello Mr Hyde) as well as massive fluctuations in team intensity cost us games above all else.
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your poor thing MT, i feel sorry for you.
2 more years of pain ::) more like 22.
And you obviously dont realise that Carltom missed easy shots as well.
As I have pointed out earlier but you just ignore these facts..
I will sum it for you .
Wallace cannot coach and thus game plan is poor, evident by over use of ball( please check champion data). Even the players think Terry is for Terry., thus there complaint to the board lasy year in regards to him being mor ehand son at training and less meetings
Bowden and McMahon arent the future of Punt Road.
As one certain player said to me during the week, this place isnt enjoyable and its starting to do my head in.
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Name names Jack otherwise it's heresay.
Fev having a shot from the boundary 30m out isn't a gimme. Murphy missing on the run from 30 is. Fisher missed an early one too IIRC and got the tougher one on the angle (nice goal). We missed 6 sitters in a quarter of footy. In any case as I said what Carlton did or didn't do didn't justify our shocking misses. That's a fact you won't admit to. The name of the game is to kick goals when you are on top. If you don't do that then don't expect to win too many games. History is littered with sides punished for missed opportunites. North in the 98 GF being one of them. Adelaide smashed them after half-time after being let off the hook. You underrate the importance of goalkicking massively.
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your poor thing MT, i feel sorry for you.
2 more years of pain ::) more like 22.
And you obviously dont realise that Carltom missed easy shots as well.
As I have pointed out earlier but you just ignore these facts..
I will sum it for you .
Wallace cannot coach and thus game plan is poor, evident by over use of ball( please check champion data). Even the players think Terry is for Terry., thus there complaint to the board lasy year in regards to him being mor ehand son at training and less meetings
Bowden and McMahon arent the future of Punt Road.
As one certain player said to me during the week, this place isnt enjoyable and its starting to do my head in.
mate why do you keep writing so much crap.
get your facts straight before you write. :help
richmond will not sack wallace this year, unless we really go down the drain in the remaining matches.
he has been out coached in numerous games this year,but alot of that is because we dont have the right playing personal.
we need to start recruiting bigger framed players.
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He won't be fired at the end of the year regardless of if we don't win another game for the rest of the year
Now we can't make the finals its in our interest to get the best draft picks we can, Terry has never obviously tanked, but he can do very subtley. The game against StKilda last year raised a few eyebrows.
Getting Natanui, Rich or Watts would be a massive get for us at the end of the year and we need a bottom 4 finish to get one of them.
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If people look at the draw between now and the end of the year, alot of sides below us play us and play each other. Its actually quite possible for us to finish with a top 4 pick indeed its possible to finish with a top 2 pick if we lose every game and 2 or 3 other games work in our favor.
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He won't be fired at the end of the year regardless of if we don't win another game for the rest of the year
Now we can't make the finals its in our interest to get the best draft picks we can, Terry has never obviously tanked, but he can do very subtley. The game against StKilda last year raised a few eyebrows.
Getting Natanui, Rich or Watts would be a massive get for us at the end of the year and we need a bottom 4 finish to get one of them.
another person who needs :help
do you honestly believe he will be there next year if we dont win another match.
l dont think so.
and if you think paying out his contract would be a problem,think again .
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He won't be fired at the end of the year regardless of if we don't win another game for the rest of the year
Now we can't make the finals its in our interest to get the best draft picks we can, Terry has never obviously tanked, but he can do very subtley. The game against StKilda last year raised a few eyebrows.
Getting Natanui, Rich or Watts would be a massive get for us at the end of the year and we need a bottom 4 finish to get one of them.
another person who needs :help
do you honestly believe he will be there next year if we dont win another match.
l dont think so.
and if you think paying out his contract would be a problem,think again .
Is that you Jack?
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Name names Jack otherwise it's heresay.
The behaviour of jackstar borders on heresy, too.
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While were only 6 points out of the 8 with 8 games to go we should be aiming to win every game not tanking them. Hamish Hartlett is the one I want above all others as he is all class!!!! Centreline of Deledio - Cotchin - Hartlett warms my heart.....Hamish should be available between picks 5-10 somewhere. The only one Id take other than him would be Watts, Hurley or Rich if they slipped down but I dont think they will. Natanui although having an upside is still IMO a big risk.
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Natanui although having an upside is still IMO a big risk.
I agree, we've seen with JON that you shouldn't take risks with first round picks.
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Yep, I am sick of losing to actually, and being the joke of the AFL
Richmond doesn't have to lose for that to happen Jack! ;)
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Name names Jack otherwise it's heresay.
The behaviour of jackstar borders on heresy, too.
You must be happy with the Richmond Football Club.
Given the supporters ZIP for too long, but it doesnt seem to worry you that we "' rolled over and died"" in the last quarter of last saturdays game when we were suppose to celebrating 100 year birthday.
If you like to be mediocre, that your problem and opinion and not mine.
Whats really sad that over the past 20 years we have little joy and supporters just keep putting up with the rubbish dished up.
Most of the supporters are like sheep wandering around in a 1000 acre paddock.
That sums up the tiges past 20 years actually, wandering around meaninglessly :banghead
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Name names Jack otherwise it's heresay.
Fev having a shot from the boundary 30m out isn't a gimme. Murphy missing on the run from 30 is. Fisher missed an early one too IIRC and got the tougher one on the angle (nice goal). We missed 6 sitters in a quarter of footy. In any case as I said what Carlton did or didn't do didn't justify our shocking misses. That's a fact you won't admit to. The name of the game is to kick goals when you are on top. If you don't do that then don't expect to win too many games. History is littered with sides punished for missed opportunites. North in the 98 GF being one of them. Adelaide smashed them after half-time after being let off the hook. You underrate the importance of goalkicking massively.
You want me to name names ?
Why would I risk friendships with people who I know just to wet the apetite of anon internet users. :banghead
You can private message me if your THAT DESPERATE.
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Name names Jack otherwise it's heresay.
Fev having a shot from the boundary 30m out isn't a gimme. Murphy missing on the run from 30 is. Fisher missed an early one too IIRC and got the tougher one on the angle (nice goal). We missed 6 sitters in a quarter of footy. In any case as I said what Carlton did or didn't do didn't justify our shocking misses. That's a fact you won't admit to. The name of the game is to kick goals when you are on top. If you don't do that then don't expect to win too many games. History is littered with sides punished for missed opportunites. North in the 98 GF being one of them. Adelaide smashed them after half-time after being let off the hook. You underrate the importance of goalkicking massively.
You want me to name names ?
Why would I risk friendships with people who I know just to wet the apetite of anon internet users. :banghead
You can private message me if your THAT DESPERATE.
God what a wank.
If you were so concerned why mention it at all in the first place.
Jackstar taking the high moral ground, what a joke.
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Get it right, its wanker :thumbsup
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Get it right, its wanker :thumbsup
I think he was referring to what you said not you.
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You want me to name names ?
Why would I risk friendships with people who I know just to wet the apetite of anon internet users. :banghead
You can private message me if your THAT DESPERATE.
It's just that when you get defensive you often bring out the 'anonymous person(s) said this and that' to support your argument. Sorry I'm not into shadow boxing. Every club has disgruntled players. Often those who reckon they are being overlooked.
I would also say if you're so upset about us "rolling over and dying" you would have told this anonymous player to stop acting like a big baby and when he and his teammates can kick straight, hit basic targets by hand and foot, run hard both ways without the footy, pressure hard, work as a unit and show some intensity for the team for 4 quarters - in other words perform as professional footballers - then he can have a sook :nopity.
As for calling supporters sheep ::) because they disagree with you. Might I remind you that it was/is the average supporter who has kept the RFC alive over the past 25 years while morons in certain coterie groups who thought the club was their personal plaything wet their pants and ripped the guts and heart out of the club everytime they didn't get their own way >:( ::). Wandering around meaningless for 20 plus years with no direction was their way; not us supporters. We now finally are following a long-term direction. Whether it leads to success will be in the pudding but along the way we are willing to give the time offered and then access the progress. That accessing (of the list, coaching staff, footy dept, etc) will come next year whether you or I like it or not.
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You want me to name names ?
Why would I risk friendships with people who I know just to wet the apetite of anon internet users. :banghead
You can private message me if your THAT DESPERATE.
It's just that when you get defensive you often bring out the 'anonymous person(s) said this and that' to support your argument. Sorry I'm not into shadow boxing. Every club has disgruntled players. Often those who reckon they are being overlooked.
I would also say if you're so upset about us "rolling over and dying" you would have told this anonymous player to stop acting like a big baby and when he and his teammates can kick straight, hit basic targets by hand and foot, run hard both ways without the footy, pressure hard, work as a unit and show some intensity for the team for 4 quarters - in other words perform as professional footballers - then he can have a sook :nopity.
As for calling supporters sheep ::) because they disagree with you. Might I remind you that it was/is the average supporter who has kept the RFC alive over the past 25 years while morons in certain coterie groups who thought the club was their personal plaything wet their pants and ripped the guts and heart out of the club everytime they didn't get their own way >:( ::). Wandering around meaningless for 20 plus years with no direction was their way; not us supporters. We now finally are following a long-term direction. Whether it leads to success will be in the pudding but along the way we are willing to give the time offered and then access the progress. That accessing (of the list, coaching staff, footy dept, etc) will come next year whether you or I like it or not.
You are on the verge of boring.
long term direction, ::)we have seen that from wallace, dont get me started, Has really developed Richard Tambling :banghead Recruited Jordon McMahon ::) Recruited Kent Kingsley :banghead . Has persisted repeatingly playing with players who aint just up to it instead of getting rid of them , oh yeah , that right , we get rid of Dave Roadn who will probably win the b & F at port this year.
You go on and on and on about the bad kicking, if you watched before the game of fox footy, the panelists all agreed they were hard shots that brown had, on the run and under the pump. Just Maybe if he wasnt such an INDIVIDUAL, he might have given itoff.
as for the anon player, this player had given his all and is playing under duress. YES. WE ROLLED OVER AND GOT WACKED LAST SATURDAY< FACT!
You thought process in regards to direction is interesting to say the least, We are paying that clown Wallace $600,000 a year for what ??
He is the one of HIGHEST paid coach in the AFL you will find, for LITTLE RETURN..
It is one of the most unbeleivable appointments of all time giving Wallace a five year contract.
Might also add the players cant play as professional footballers when the game plan is related to short kicks and lateral movement :banghead
Thats right the king of spin was all about run and carry ( that didnt last long ) same as re inventing Joel Bowden up forward :banghead ( that lasted 2 and half weeks I beleive.
Can tell you MT, Terry loves to blame others but wont except balme himself. I nearly vomiited when he got into Richo the other week in the press, very ordinary effort, and you stick up for him, sorry, your in love with him. :whistle
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Might also add MT, he has had 3 years and 13 rounds to develop a game plan, when you have worked out what it is, can you tell the players at training when you see them, because they still are unsure :gobdrop
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We're going to finish 9th next season. Not even Wallace himself would want a contract extension.
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We're going to finish 9th next season. Not even Wallace himself would want a contract extension.
Thank you 1980.
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Its not only the amount of wins you earn in a year its also the opposition you beat.
Carlton 9th
Fremantle 14th
Essendon 12th
Melbourne 16th
Port 13th
Doesn't read out like a roll call of the big guns.
I guess with us our ladder position is a true reflection of where we are at. If we beat the Eagles then we've knocked off every side below us yet only beaten one side above us which we've also lost to. We did draw with the Dogs who are 2nd. That was probably our classiest effort for the year.
I had a look at what Geelong under Bomber Thompson did in his 4th year (2003) and they had 7 1/2 wins to finish 12th. 6 wins came against fellow bottom 8 sides including 4 wins against teams below them. They lost to the wooden spooners twice but knocked off ladder leader Port by a point and drew with the Eagles (7th) but both those games were at Kardinia Park which interstate sides wouldn't be use to. Their percentage was 89.
The following year (2004) after winning only 1 of their first 5 including losing their first 3 games they then rattled off 13 wins from 15 with the two defeats interstate by less than a kick. They finished with 15 wins, 120% and a top 4 spot. They went on to play in the PF before narrowly losing to Brisbane at the 'G.
Well that sort of breakout year in 2009 might save Terry :lol.
You're not one of those who defend Wallace by saying what if Geelong had sacked Thompson, are you MT?
You're assuming Wallace wants to stay on. I'm pretty sure he's already made up his mind to go back to the media next year.
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1980, I am pretty sure he wants out as well. Its just the timing of it.
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All Wallace wants now is to say I left the club in a better position than when I arrived.
Hopefully Williams is still available next season.
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You are on the verge of boring.
:ROTFL well at least I'm still only on the verge :lol
long term direction, ::)we have seen that from wallace, dont get me started, Has really developed Richard Tambling :banghead Recruited Jordon McMahon ::) Recruited Kent Kingsley :banghead . Has persisted repeatingly playing with players who aint just up to it instead of getting rid of them , oh yeah , that right , we get rid of Dave Roadn who will probably win the b & F at port this year.
The club as a whole has a long term direction ::). I know you only think about Wallace but there's more to the club than a coach with less than 14 months left on his contract :sleep. You say Plough is on $600k. Well the club has better things to do with $600k than pay out Wallace. That crane down at Punt Rd demolishing the Northern end wasn't for pre-game kiddie rides lol.
I don't know why you keep bringing up Rodan. Port are below us and he's not going to win a B&F averaging just 16 disposals, 2 tackles and a goal per game. He's not even in Port's top 10 possession getters this year and had a up and down year. Kane Cornes will win their B&F.
You go on and on and on about the bad kicking, if you watched before the game of fox footy, the panelists all agreed they were hard shots that brown had, on the run and under the pump. Just Maybe if he wasnt such an INDIVIDUAL, he might have given itoff.
as for the anon player, this player had given his all and is playing under duress. YES. WE ROLLED OVER AND GOT WACKED LAST SATURDAY< FACT!
So set shots are shots on the run are they because two of the four shots Browny had in the first quarter were set shots. The one of the run in the first quarter was where Cotch set Browny up into space without breaking stride with a brilliant handball. Browny had 15m to run into and steady directly in front from 35m FFS. Did they actually watch the game ::). AFL forwards are paid to kick gimme goals like that not give them off. All Tiger supporters around me were asking what was wrong with Browny. Even Carlton fans admitted he had the yips last Saturday. The only shot that was tough was that kick off the ground under pressure which was his first point.
As for that anonymous player you might want to edit out that bit of info if you want to protect his identity. Narrows it down a tad too much :shh.
You thought process in regards to direction is interesting to say the least, We are paying that clown Wallace $600,000 a year for what ??
He is the one of HIGHEST paid coach in the AFL you will find, for LITTLE RETURN..
It is one of the most unbeleivable appointments of all time giving Wallace a five year contract.
Might also add the players cant play as professional footballers when the game plan is related to short kicks and lateral movement :banghead
Funny how an 18 year old can walk into the side with no preseason behind him and have no probs understanding and executing it.
Thats right the king of spin was all about run and carry ( that didnt last long ) same as re inventing Joel Bowden up forward :banghead ( that lasted 2 and half weeks I beleive.
Yep had nothing to do with Thursty and McGuane being injured and us being 2 tall defenders short. You'll also find Joel is 5 short of his 250th.
Can tell you MT, Terry loves to blame others but wont except balme himself. I nearly vomiited when he got into Richo the other week in the press, very ordinary effort, and you stick up for him, sorry, your in love with him. :whistle
I'm not the one who mentions Wallace 24/7 :whistle. Nor am I the one defending and deflecting poor skills under no physical pressure by players who earn big $$$ themselves.
Plough will face his judgement day at the end of next season and he'll have no one else to blame but himself. You see I agree with you that he's held onto poorly-skilled list cloggers too long. Those on the list for longer than 5 years but not in our best 22 should be shown the door. He's got one last chance to do that in 2 months time.
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You're not one of those who defend Wallace by saying what if Geelong had sacked Thompson, are you MT?
Jake mentioned that Wallace would need a breakout year from the side in 2009 to save his job. Just showing that's what happened to Bomber Thompson from his 4th to 5th year as coach. Geelong also at the time had the media on their backs constantly comparing and bagging their list to St Kilda's with all their early picks. The future turned out to be very different to what was predicted 5 years ago.
You're assuming Wallace wants to stay on. I'm pretty sure he's already made up his mind to go back to the media next year.
I remember the same rumours last year. It didn't happen. He's already mentioned how he's looking forward to coaching Cotchin next year with a full preseason behind him.
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Your exactly right MT about the kid with no pre season and bascially jumping ahead of "" most"" of the starting 18. ( Cotchin)
Question I ask you, where is Richard Tambling and others with there careers then. :gobdrop
Whats cracks me up is the you stick up for people you dont even know :lol
1980 is on the money with Williams as well :thumbsup :shh
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You're not one of those who defend Wallace by saying what if Geelong had sacked Thompson, are you MT?
Jake mentioned that Wallace would need a breakout year from the side in 2009 to save his job. Just showing that's what happened to Bomber Thompson from his 4th to 5th year as coach. Geelong also at the time had the media on their backs constantly comparing and bagging their list to St Kilda's with all their early picks. The future turned out to be very different to what was predicted 5 years ago.
You're assuming Wallace wants to stay on. I'm pretty sure he's already made up his mind to go back to the media next year.
I remember the same rumours last year. It didn't happen. He's already mentioned how he's looking forward to coaching Cotchin next year with a full preseason behind him.
MT, why do you bother? There is way too much common sense and practical fact in your posting for it to get through to those wearing the "I hate TW" blinkers.
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Yeah too much commone sense NOT!
As Gary March has said on numerous occassions, let the football doingh the talking, I have got an ear ache from listening to the footy do the talking :lol
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You're not one of those who defend Wallace by saying what if Geelong had sacked Thompson, are you MT?
Jake mentioned that Wallace would need a breakout year from the side in 2009 to save his job. Just showing that's what happened to Bomber Thompson from his 4th to 5th year as coach. Geelong also at the time had the media on their backs constantly comparing and bagging their list to St Kilda's with all their early picks. The future turned out to be very different to what was predicted 5 years ago.
You're assuming Wallace wants to stay on. I'm pretty sure he's already made up his mind to go back to the media next year.
I remember the same rumours last year. It didn't happen. He's already mentioned how he's looking forward to coaching Cotchin next year with a full preseason behind him.
MT, why do you bother? There is way too much common sense and practical fact in your posting for it to get through to those wearing the "I hate TW" blinkers.
You are a minority who want him to continue., you dont want RFC to successfull do you . This will be four years of no improvement with Wallace.
Have a read of todays papers, Great article about teams outside the 8 and who they should off load, and guess what surprise surprise , RFC should off load the most number of players( why doesnt that surprise me) The forgot to take Wallace with them. :lol
Most of you are deluded if you think we have improved. If it wasnt for Richo who got has over the line in 2 wins, Wallace would be gone by now.
What drugs are you people on ???
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You're one twisted sister, Jack :wallywink
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lol :rollin@ Jack Sniper umm Snider (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:-0N4dfCMPclPcM:http://www.lucylightning.com/images/rock/dee-snider-painting.jpg)
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OER will be under going a name change and a Rebranding exercise soon.
OER will be know as the "" Terry Wallace Fan Club commonly referred to as TWFC
Richmond Rant will now be known as SOLARIUM TALK.
Funny how you all tipped the bucket on Spud who took us to finals , and this bloke you leave alone because he has you all sucked in.
Ask you all this , why did we only get 72,000 at last weeks game.
Yep, cant stand Terry , but i am not the only one. Supporters are dropping off.
Ask anyone at the western bulldogs what they think of him.
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OER will be under going a name change and a Rebranding exercise soon.
OER will be know as the "" Terry Wallace Fan Club commonly referred to as TWFC
Richmond Rant will now be known as SOLARIUM TALK.
Funny how you all tipped the bucket on Spud who took us to finals , and this bloke you leave alone because he has you all sucked in.
Ask you all this , why did we only get 72,000 at last weeks game.
Yep, cant stand Terry , but i am not the only one. Supporters are dropping off.
Ask anyone at the western bulldogs what they think of him.
I'm sorry but you are getting really boring (again) :sleep
Say something new or stuff off.
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Is there a site rule about spamming? I should check, because jackstar spams almost every thread with the same opinion. Surely enough is enough.
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OER will be under going a name change and a Rebranding exercise soon.
OER will be know as the "" Terry Wallace Fan Club commonly referred to as TWFC
Richmond Rant will now be known as SOLARIUM TALK.
Funny how you all tipped the bucket on Spud who took us to finals , and this bloke you leave alone because he has you all sucked in.
Ask you all this , why did we only get 72,000 at last weeks game.
Yep, cant stand Terry , but i am not the only one. Supporters are dropping off.
Ask anyone at the western bulldogs what they think of him.
Please dont use the word 'all" jacko. Im less than impressed with the fact that after 4 years we havent been competitive enough to even challenge for the 8 let alone make it. Im also concerned by the fact that into the 4th year people like me were calling for the tank in order to get more quality in.
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You're not one of those who defend Wallace by saying what if Geelong had sacked Thompson, are you MT?
Jake mentioned that Wallace would need a breakout year from the side in 2009 to save his job. Just showing that's what happened to Bomber Thompson from his 4th to 5th year as coach. Geelong also at the time had the media on their backs constantly comparing and bagging their list to St Kilda's with all their early picks. The future turned out to be very different to what was predicted 5 years ago.
You're assuming Wallace wants to stay on. I'm pretty sure he's already made up his mind to go back to the media next year.
I remember the same rumours last year. It didn't happen. He's already mentioned how he's looking forward to coaching Cotchin next year with a full preseason behind him.
Bomber had a different list at a different stage of development. We would gladly exchange our current list now for theirs in 2004.
Too many people assume Wallace is like Frawley and he's going to fight tooth and nail to hang onto his job.
Far from it. He'll be the first to put up his hand next year.
A lot of people that are defending him are going to be very disappointed when he does what he did at the Dogs
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You're not one of those who defend Wallace by saying what if Geelong had sacked Thompson, are you MT?
Jake mentioned that Wallace would need a breakout year from the side in 2009 to save his job. Just showing that's what happened to Bomber Thompson from his 4th to 5th year as coach. Geelong also at the time had the media on their backs constantly comparing and bagging their list to St Kilda's with all their early picks. The future turned out to be very different to what was predicted 5 years ago.
You're assuming Wallace wants to stay on. I'm pretty sure he's already made up his mind to go back to the media next year.
I remember the same rumours last year. It didn't happen. He's already mentioned how he's looking forward to coaching Cotchin next year with a full preseason behind him.
MT, why do you bother? There is way too much common sense and practical fact in your posting for it to get through to those wearing the "I hate TW" blinkers.
Are you his wife?
Or maybe you were the guy that was clapping everytime kicked a goal in the 4Q.
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@ no stage have I been a fan of TW, What I have done is 'support' the process the RFC began 3 1/2 years ago.
Willing to see out the 5 years and take it from there, as I have said before and will again for the last time, the proof of the pudding will be available at the end of next year and not before.
If we don't play finals @ the very least next year, then it will be time to move on because something aint working.
Not much point sacking someone this day and age midseason, too much $$$ involved and would be a very very stupid thing to do for our club imo.
Even if we managed to get a premiership with Wallace at the helm, he still would get no credit from u Dee, u would just say he lucked out due to x y and z.
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Is there a site rule about spamming? I should check, because jackstar spams almost every thread with the same opinion. Surely enough is enough.
Should be a rule about coaches not performing.
Gordon 2 things.
My opinion is irrevelant. Let the football do the talking. Dont make finals its a failure.
And furthemore, if you dont like what i write and the truth hurts, go and read Womans Day and dont reply to my posts, that pretty simple Gordo isnt it..?
Judge Wallace by where they are on the ladder and read Womans Day if you dont like OER :thumbsup :whistle
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Judge Wallace by where they are on the ladder
And that folks is the bottom line 'Because STONE COLD said so'
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Judge Wallace by where they are on the ladder and read Womans Day if you dont like OER :thumbsup :whistle
That's what most people are doing, Jack.
You've certainly turned them off this site!
:clapping
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And furthemore, if you dont like what i write and the truth hurts, go and read Womans Day and dont reply to my posts, that pretty simple Gordo isnt it..?
Judge Wallace by where they are on the ladder and read Womans Day if you dont like OER :thumbsup :whistle
I understand what you are saying but you are dominating too many threads with the same old anti-TW crap.
How about restricting your comments about TW to one or two threads.
and as for "read Womans Day if you dont like OER" it is not OER we don't like it is your domination of nearly every thread (yes every is an exaggeration but it does seem that way sometimes)
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And furthemore, if you dont like what i write and the truth hurts, go and read Womans Day and dont reply to my posts, that pretty simple Gordo isnt it..?
Judge Wallace by where they are on the ladder and read Womans Day if you dont like OER :thumbsup :whistle
I understand what you are saying but you are dominating too many threads with the same old anti-TW crap.
How about restricting your comments about TW to one or two threads.
and as for "read Womans Day if you dont like OER" it is not OER we don't like it is your domination of nearly every thread (yes every is an exaggeration but it does seem that way sometimes)
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Everything that comes out of Jack's mouth is 100% correct.
TW should have made some tough decisions when he arrived and that should have been to delist tivers, hyde, petts and trade away some players on our list that still had currency (e.g schulz). He didn't!!!
has the skill level changed under TW? thats a negative.
We have some depth in our list, to which i am grateful for but what about our draft selections?? its been pathetic in my eyes.
Tambling, JON, Meyer hardly household names and should be let go. Tambling should be dominating but he is far from a afl footballer.
His confidence is shot to pieces and im not sure why but for the good of our club he should find a new football club.
Only lids can hold his head up high in that draft, otherwise you would have to say it was a terrible draft for the rfc.
Bottom line is that we made finals under Spud. love him or loath him we MADE finals..
TW will be shown the door asap IMO for the good of the team and the good of the club.
I want a coach who brings some mental toughness to our club, (eg North). we are as weak now as what we have been for the last 20 years.
you cannot buy their fighting spirit down at arden street and it is something TW cannot bring to this club. It seems to me the players dont play for him like other coaches.
TW thanks but no thanks
goodbye
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Time to weigh up Jacks input.
Pluses
1. Posting in correct thread this time
2. Passion about his point of view
3. Some valid points
Minuses
1. Generalizations about ALL members of this forum
2. REPEDATIVE
3. Statements without the facts to back them up
Net Value - ZERO
Sorry Jack. If you get rid of the repeats it would have some value but as it is you are adding nothing to this tread.
My point of view is that we have a contract with the Wallace, we gave him 5 years (right or wrong) and so thats what he gets. Do I like him? NO. Do I like the game plan? NO Do I agree with honouring contracts? YES. Can I see light at end of the tunel? YES. Wallace has 8 + 22 + the finals we better be in next year. I will put my point of view on where to go then.
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And furthemore, if you dont like what i write and the truth hurts, go and read Womans Day and dont reply to my posts, that pretty simple Gordo isnt it..?
Judge Wallace by where they are on the ladder and read Womans Day if you dont like OER :thumbsup :whistle
I understand what you are saying but you are dominating too many threads with the same old anti-TW crap.
How about restricting your comments about TW to one or two threads.
and as for "read Womans Day if you dont like OER" it is not OER we don't like it is your domination of nearly every thread (yes every is an exaggeration but it does seem that way sometimes)
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Everything that comes out of Jack's mouth is 100% correct.
TW should have made some tough decisions when he arrived and that should have been to delist tivers, hyde, petts and trade away some players on our list that still had currency (e.g schulz). He didn't!!!
has the skill level changed under TW? thats a negative.
We have some depth in our list, to which i am grateful for but what about our draft selections?? its been pathetic in my eyes.
Tambling, JON, Meyer hardly household names and should be let go. Tambling should be dominating but he is far from a afl footballer.
His confidence is shot to pieces and im not sure why but for the good of our club he should find a new football club.
Only lids can hold his head up high in that draft, otherwise you would have to say it was a terrible draft for the rfc.
Bottom line is that we made finals under Spud. love him or loath him we MADE finals..
TW will be shown the door asap IMO for the good of the team and the good of the club.
I want a coach who brings some mental toughness to our club, (eg North). we are as weak now as what we have been for the last 20 years.
you cannot buy their fighting spirit down at arden street and it is something TW cannot bring to this club. It seems to me the players dont play for him like other coaches.
TW thanks but no thanks
goodbye
I don't disagree but why bombard the rest of us with crap.
Say something new or stuff off.
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Terry Wallace next contract is with Centrelink :whistle
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Terry Wallace next contract is with Centrelink :whistle
Would have thought one of the radio stations would pick him up.
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So if we dont make the finals in 2009, how many posters on here believe Wallace should be given a contract extension?
Lets see who are the brave ones!
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Time to weigh up Jacks input.
Pluses
1. Posting in correct thread this time
2. Passion about his point of view
3. Some valid points
Minuses
1. Generalizations about ALL members of this forum
2. REPEDATIVE
3. Statements without the facts to back them up
Net Value - ZERO
Sorry Jack. If you get rid of the repeats it would have some value but as it is you are adding nothing to this tread.
My point of view is that we have a contract with the Wallace, we gave him 5 years (right or wrong) and so thats what he gets. Do I like him? NO. Do I like the game plan? NO Do I agree with honouring contracts? YES. Can I see light at end of the tunel? YES. Wallace has 8 + 22 + the finals we better be in next year. I will put my point of view on where to go then.
Fluffy, you're making MT's mistake. Too much sense wasted on too little. We can only hope that the ability to comprehend what people are actually saying, instead of hearing what they want to hear, sinks in to Tweedledum and Tweedledee one day but I won't hold my breath waiting.
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So if we dont make the finals in 2009, how many posters on here believe Wallace should be given a contract extension?
Lets see who are the brave ones!
If we don't make the finals in 2009 I don't think he should be given an extension. Doesn't change my opinion on whether he should be allowed to coach until then however.
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how history repeats, we did the wrong thing keeping Spud on, this is no different.
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Terry Wallace next contract is with Centrelink :whistle
Correct!
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You would think that we would need to win between 14-16 games for Terry to be given a 2 Yr extension on his contract in 2009.
And yes i am very serious.
Of course that would only be if the board had/has not already identified a successor . ;)
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You wanna share that wink, HMH?
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You wanna share that wink, HMH?
Sorry Moi i would hate to start up a rumour around here. ;)
God knows we dont need another one.
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You wanna share that wink, HMH?
Sorry Moi i would hate to start up a rumour around here. ;)
God knows we dont need another one.
You know, where there's wink there's fire, HMH!
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;) ;D
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Ask you all this , why did we only get 72,000 at last weeks game.
Yep, cant stand Terry , but i am not the only one. Supporters are dropping off.
Ask anyone at the western bulldogs what they think of him.
It was 73,500.
Live against the gate on FoxSports1 wouldn't have helped. Still a fair crowd.
Haha! Yep, ask the Western Bulldogs. ;D That'll sway everyone. :rollin
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Of course that would only be if the board had/has not already identified a predecessor. ;)
The board knows the identity of Wallace's predecessor. His name is Danny Frawley.
Everything that comes out of Jack's mouth is 100% correct.
you're killing me, daniel. That's champagne comedy.
My opinion is irrevelant.
that's my whole point
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So if we dont make the finals in 2009, how many posters on here believe Wallace should be given a contract extension?
Lets see who are the brave ones!
I don't think it can be that clear cut, if Terry moves on a few more senior players left from the Fraudley era at the end of this year and plays more kids in their place, even if we miss the finals then I think he should still stay on. It does depend though, we need to show that we are playing with the intensity that we had earlier this year against Freo, Bulldogs, StKilda & Hawks. If we are still playing the same old useless players and the same uninspired football that we have for much of this year and still miss the finals then I agree he should go.
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So if we dont make the finals in 2009, how many posters on here believe Wallace should be given a contract extension?
Lets see who are the brave ones!
If we don't make the finals in 2009 I don't think he should be given an extension. Doesn't change my opinion on whether he should be allowed to coach until then however.
The only way Wallace wont be coach in season 2009 is if he packs it in himself.
But he wont get a renewal. Because he doesnt want one
Deja vu Doggies
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Don't know if this has been mentioned but here is an interesting thing I just read
Malthouse's extension makes him part of the large contingent of coaches who are contracted until the end of 2009, including Sydney's Paul Roos, West Coast's John Worsfold, Geelong's Mark Thompson, Port Adelaide's Mark Williams, the Bulldogs' Rodney Eade, Richmond's Terry Wallace, the Kangaroos' Dean Laidley, Brisbane Lions' Leigh Matthews, St Kilda's Ross Lyon, Adelaide's Neil Craig and Carlton's Brett Ratten. In all, 12 of the 16 coaches are contracted until 2009.
So on one hand there may be some quality coaches looking for a change and they will see us as a place they will get a fair crack, given that our last two coaches got 5 years each.
On the other hand, if we let Terry's contract run and we say goodbye in September 2009, we could be battling it out with several other clubs for the best available coaches.
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Of course that would only be if the board had/has not already identified a predecessor. ;)
The board knows the identity of Wallace's predecessor. His name is Danny Frawley.
Everything that comes out of Jack's mouth is 100% correct.
you're killing me, daniel. That's champagne comedy.
My opinion is irrevelant.
that's my whole point
and your opinion is less irrevelvant :lol
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Your exactly right MT about the kid with no pre season and bascially jumping ahead of "" most"" of the starting 18. ( Cotchin)
Question I ask you, where is Richard Tambling and others with there careers then. :gobdrop
Whats cracks me up is the you stick up for people you dont even know :lol
1980 is on the money with Williams as well :thumbsup :shh
LOL how do you know who I know. For your info I know someone well who has followed Port since the 1940s, was a friend of the late "Big Bob" McLean (AFL HOF inductee last year) and whenever he makes it to a Port match he is invited into the rooms pre and post game by Mark Williams. You crack me up with you "on the money" lines :wallywink :rollin.
As I said last year when this same rumour was posted on here about Williams quitting Port and coaching us in 2008 (IIRC you said that was on the money too lol) - Williams will not leave Port voluntarily. Why would he leave the club he loves and that his dad coached. The Williams family is Port Adelaide. He outlasted Allan Scott didn't he ;).
As for the RFC, I stick up for the process to borrow CUB's words. In the past there was no process; just random mayhem and implosions ::). The club was run on the whim of a minority of idiots who had no official positions at the club yet thought the club was their personal plaything and would pressure weak boards into quick "fix" decisions in panic ::).
As for how certain players have gone in their careers so far - well firstly the player is mainly responsibile for how he performs barring injury and secondly development of the list is one major factor Wallace will be judged on in around 12-14 months time. Yep Blingers has struggled big time since round 8 (was good before then) and now needs a spell at Coburg but Lids, Moore, Hughes, Morton, White (shocker against Carlton though) and of course Cotch have added more value to the team this year as the year has progressed. Nearly all of them are 21 or under. It's too many of our senior experienced players instead that let us down and yes as we agreed Plough has held onto the same old poorly skilled culprits far too long and has one last chance to offload them this year.
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So if we dont make the finals in 2009, how many posters on here believe Wallace should be given a contract extension?
Lets see who are the brave ones!
IMO 1980, he'll be gone if we don't make the finals next year. As Jake said the team will need a breakout year in 2009 (unlikely) for Plough to stay on.
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1980 - this is what I posted on this weeks ago - you may have missed it ....
It was my view then and it remains my view now
My view is this
Personally and I posted this somewhere else I don't believe in sacking coaches, especially mid season or mid contract
I am also not a fan of giving contract extensions mid way through a current contract. We did this Spudley after the 2001 final series and look how that panned out ::)
My view is Tezza should see out his current contract. Any extension should be dependant upon results at the end of next season which is when his current deal ends. Results should and will determine the extension IMV
Simple really ;D
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just for the record, the thread wasn't about contract extentions. It was for three years after his initial five years had been served.
He needed five years to turnover the list - that's what it's going to take. If he did that and got us playing competitively, I thought he deserved a further three years after the five to see if he could do something with the list he built.
I did not in any way mean a renegoation of his contract this year.
The three year contract was to make him competitive and every year of that three years we should be in finals. Actually, they could make it a performance-based contract that if we didn't get there, out he goes.
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I wouldn't give him 3 years, 2 more should be enough and if he has us playing well then a renegotiation will be pretty simple.
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Giving Plough a new 2 year deal after first giving him 5 years would IMO send a signal that the club re-appointed Wallace without any confidence in him. The club hedging its bets so if he fails (no finals) in his first reappointed year then they can pay him out of the second and final year. IMV the choice has to be either a new 3 year deal or bye-bye. The club either believes he is the coach to take the list onto success or not.
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just for the record, the thread wasn't about contract extentions. It was for three years after his initial five years had been served.
He needed five years to turnover the list - that's what it's going to take. If he did that and got us playing competitively, I thought he deserved a further three years after the five to see if he could do something with the list he built.
I did not in any way mean a renegoation of his contract this year.
The three year contract was to make him competitive and every year of that three years we should be in finals. Actually, they could make it a performance-based contract that if we didn't get there, out he goes.
you have got to be joking MOI.
I know your in love with Terry, richo and god knows who else but the facts are we are 4 years and NO finals.
I couldnt give a stuff about being competetive and honourable losses only making finals is acceptable and we wont be doing that anytime soon.
3 year extension....hahahahahahahahaha :banghead
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just for the record, the thread wasn't about contract extentions. It was for three years after his initial five years had been served.
He needed five years to turnover the list - that's what it's going to take. If he did that and got us playing competitively, I thought he deserved a further three years after the five to see if he could do something with the list he built.
I did not in any way mean a renegoation of his contract this year.
The three year contract was to make him competitive and every year of that three years we should be in finals. Actually, they could make it a performance-based contract that if we didn't get there, out he goes.
you have got to be joking MOI.
I know your in love with Terry, richo and god knows who else but the facts are we are 4 years and NO finals.
I couldnt give a stuff about being competetive and honourable losses only making finals is acceptable and we wont be doing that anytime soon.
3 year extension....hahahahahahahahaha :banghead
Daniel , dont bother, these people are set in there ways and do want to see the tiges make finals, all they care about is honoring contracts . ::)
Other coaches have taken teams from near bottom to top four in one and two years with good game plans and winning games they should, at punt road, we are different
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3 year extension....hahahahahahahahaha :banghead
I don't know of any coach who's had a five year contract to then get one year.
If you're not prepared to give them three, why give them one at all.
And you don't need to answer that lol
And yes Jack, I'm set in my ways
I'm loyal - try it some time :P
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Loyality gets people NO WHERE in life.
Look at employees who give 20 years of the life to there employer and they are told to eff off.
Yeah, loyalty gets you know where.
Ask Matty Knights about loyality. And Darren Gaspar and Andrew Kellaway.. They give Gas and Chubber the chop and bring to the club Mark Grahram and Kent Kinsgley, lol :chuck :chuck :stupid :stupid :thatsgold :thatsgold
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just for the record, the thread wasn't about contract extentions. It was for three years after his initial five years had been served.
He needed five years to turnover the list - that's what it's going to take. If he did that and got us playing competitively, I thought he deserved a further three years after the five to see if he could do something with the list he built.
I did not in any way mean a renegoation of his contract this year.
The three year contract was to make him competitive and every year of that three years we should be in finals. Actually, they could make it a performance-based contract that if we didn't get there, out he goes.
Is that what you were posting in 2004? That he should be given an 8 year contract because he needed 5 years just to turnover the list?
The rest of us thought we'd be playing finals by now and pushing for top 4 in 2009.
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The rest of us thought we'd be playing finals by now and pushing for top 4 in 2009.
Who said we won't be?
Why don't you make those comments at the end of the season or when we mathemetically can't make it.
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The rest of us thought we'd be playing finals by now and pushing for top 4 in 2009.
Who said we won't be?
Why don't you make those comments at the end of the season or when we mathemetically can't make it.
You are deluded Moi, you obviously didnt see us fall over the line against Melb and Port. ::)
Take Richo out of the team and you could take off 2-3 wins .
We are a long long way from making the finals.
If you watched Channel 7 footy showthis morning, They agreed that Wallace was under the pump MORE than anyone in the AFL.
Its those few on OER who live in dreamworld and the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy :lol
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The rest of us thought we'd be playing finals by now and pushing for top 4 in 2009.
Who said we won't be?
Why don't you make those comments at the end of the season or when we mathemetically can't make it.
You are deluded Moi, you obviously didnt see us fall over the line against Melb and Port. ::)
Take Richo out of the team and you could take off 2-3 wins .
We are a long long way from making the finals.
If you watched Channel 7 footy showthis morning, They agreed that Wallace was under the pump MORE than anyone in the AFL.
Its those few on OER who live in dreamworld and the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy :lol
We came last last year.
But we're supposed to be premiers the year after.
Now who did you say was deluded?
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The rest of us thought we'd be playing finals by now and pushing for top 4 in 2009.
Who said we won't be?
Why don't you make those comments at the end of the season or when we mathemetically can't make it.
You do realise we havent beaten a team in the 8 this year, dont you?
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3 year extension....hahahahahahahahaha :banghead
I don't know of any coach who's had a five year contract to then get one year.
If you're not prepared to give them three, why give them one at all.
And you don't need to answer that lol
And yes Jack, I'm set in my ways
I'm loyal - try it some time :P
lets not question anyone's loyalty MOI.
The rfc is surviving only because of us.
any other club would be nearing the end if they had our lack of success
as for this topic you might as well give up while ur ahead. Your love child TW wll be sent packing very soon. Just a matter of time
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Heard it all before, fellas
I'm quite happy so far with the season.
We should have won the games against the Saints and Dogs. Why we didn't who knows, but we should have.
Competive against the Hawks and cats - after the year before against the Cats I'd say we'd remarkably improved.
Players like Cotchin, Deledio, coming on. The decrease in the number of players we have to get rid of, and those we've already managed to get rid of (35 plus), why woulldn't I be happy.
Unless we lose every game from here on, I can't see Wallace going anywhere.
But nothing surprises me with how the club reacts to spoilt brat supporters who like to stamp their feet and hold their breath lol
We'll never agree on this, so why go on.
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The rest of us thought we'd be playing finals by now and pushing for top 4 in 2009.
Who said we won't be?
Why don't you make those comments at the end of the season or when we mathemetically can't make it.
You are deluded Moi, you obviously didnt see us fall over the line against Melb and Port. ::)
Take Richo out of the team and you could take off 2-3 wins .
We are a long long way from making the finals.
If you watched Channel 7 footy showthis morning, They agreed that Wallace was under the pump MORE than anyone in the AFL.
Its those few on OER who live in dreamworld and the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy :lol
We came last last year.
But we're supposed to be premiers the year after.
Now who did you say was deluded?
Just goes to show you how little you know ., both Collingwood and Port have come from being down the bottom to play in a grand final the following year, FACT, we cant even make the finals let lone play in a grand final.
Face it Moi, your love child is in trouble, you just cant see it.
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Heard it all before, fellas
I'm quite happy so far with the season.
We should have won the games against the Saints and Dogs. Why we didn't who knows, but we should have.
Competive against the Hawks and cats - after the year before against the Cats I'd say we'd remarkably improved.
Players like Cotchin, Deledio, coming on. The decrease in the number of players we have to get rid of, and those we've already managed to get rid of (35 plus), why woulldn't I be happy.
Unless we lose every game from here on, I can't see Wallace going anywhere.
But nothing surprises me with how the club reacts to spoilt brat supporters who like to stamp their feet and hold their breath lol
We'll never agree on this, so why go on.
Why go on :lol
Your happy with the season, thats a hugh problem if you are a supporter. HAPPY :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Take Richo out of the team and it would be nearly back to back spoons, Thank God for Richo.
You mention Cotchin and Lids, what about the players that havent improved or gone backwards. Name a few Richard Tambling and JON
Pointless arguing with you MOI, you have no idea,
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The rest of us thought we'd be playing finals by now and pushing for top 4 in 2009.
Who said we won't be?
Why don't you make those comments at the end of the season or when we mathemetically can't make it.
You are deluded Moi, you obviously didnt see us fall over the line against Melb and Port. ::)
Take Richo out of the team and you could take off 2-3 wins .
We are a long long way from making the finals.
If you watched Channel 7 footy showthis morning, They agreed that Wallace was under the pump MORE than anyone in the AFL.
Its those few on OER who live in dreamworld and the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy :lol
We came last last year.
But we're supposed to be premiers the year after.
Now who did you say was deluded?
Just goes to show you how little you know ., both Collingwood and Port have come from being down the bottom to play in a grand final the following year, FACT, we cant even make the finals let lone play in a grand final.
Face it Moi, your love child is in trouble, you just cant see it.
We'll see, Jack.
And what happens if he isn't, do we go through the same crap you go with next year.
Terry's gonna get the sack by round 4 or whatever :rollin
You've missed the boat two years in a row - but you just can't see it yourself.
Bordering on being a farce wouldn't you say?
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The rest of us thought we'd be playing finals by now and pushing for top 4 in 2009.
Who said we won't be?
Why don't you make those comments at the end of the season or when we mathemetically can't make it.
You are deluded Moi, you obviously didnt see us fall over the line against Melb and Port. ::)
Take Richo out of the team and you could take off 2-3 wins .
We are a long long way from making the finals.
If you watched Channel 7 footy showthis morning, They agreed that Wallace was under the pump MORE than anyone in the AFL.
Its those few on OER who live in dreamworld and the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy :lol
We came last last year.
But we're supposed to be premiers the year after.
Now who did you say was deluded?
Just goes to show you how little you know ., both Collingwood and Port have come from being down the bottom to play in a grand final the following year, FACT, we cant even make the finals let lone play in a grand final.
Face it Moi, your love child is in trouble, you just cant see it.
We'll see, Jack.
And what happens if he isn't, do we go through the same crap you go with next year.
Terry's gonna get the sack by round 4 or whatever :rollin
You've missed the boat two years in a row - but you just can't see it yourself.
Bordering on being a farce wouldn't you say?
You have little idea, he is the worst coach we have had in a long long time, You must not watch the game by your comments or dont understand it, We play unaccountable , short kicking style of play and play lateral football, Next time you go to a game watch.
At least Robert Walls and Giesch had some idea. Spud a least took us to finals
Dont bother even replying Moi, I am sick to death of answering idiots
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Dont bother even replying Moi, I am sick to death of answering idiots
Delete your account then - do us all a favour :thumbsup
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The rest of us thought we'd be playing finals by now and pushing for top 4 in 2009.
Who said we won't be?
Why don't you make those comments at the end of the season or when we mathemetically can't make it.
hey moi i have one question for you??
were you kidding when you said YOU ARE HAPPY WITH THE SEASON SO FAR??
come on your joking right??
whilst i see some improvements in our team the fact remains "NO RICHO, NO RICHMOND"
Your mate TW should have seen this coming a long time but instead we recruit Meyer, JON and Mr Richi" i have no idea" tambling instead of KPP.
Thank god for Cleve and Mitch but honestly Richo is making us looking respectable this year and how sad does that look, coming from a 33 year old wingman..
You are deluded Moi, you obviously didnt see us fall over the line against Melb and Port. ::)
Take Richo out of the team and you could take off 2-3 wins .
We are a long long way from making the finals.
If you watched Channel 7 footy showthis morning, They agreed that Wallace was under the pump MORE than anyone in the AFL.
Its those few on OER who live in dreamworld and the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy :lol
We came last last year.
But we're supposed to be premiers the year after.
Now who did you say was deluded?
Just goes to show you how little you know ., both Collingwood and Port have come from being down the bottom to play in a grand final the following year, FACT, we cant even make the finals let lone play in a grand final.
Face it Moi, your love child is in trouble, you just cant see it.
We'll see, Jack.
And what happens if he isn't, do we go through the same crap you go with next year.
Terry's gonna get the sack by round 4 or whatever :rollin
You've missed the boat two years in a row - but you just can't see it yourself.
Bordering on being a farce wouldn't you say?
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Dont bother even replying Moi, I am sick to death of answering idiots
Delete your account then - do us all a favour :thumbsup
I have a better option.
Do us a favor!
Go and set up a new site and call it "" I love Terry Wallet"" You might get 50 or so members, and no, I wont join. :thumbsup
You can be the mod, it should suit you :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Prefer annoying you here, Jack :thumbsup
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Prefer annoying you here, Jack :thumbsup
You dont annoy me, I actually feel sorry for you. You cant see the forest through the trees
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Prefer annoying you here, Jack :thumbsup
You dont annoy me, I actually feel sorry for you. You cant see the forest through the trees
Tell me that when Terry signs his next contract :rollin
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Prefer annoying you here, Jack :thumbsup
You dont annoy me, I actually feel sorry for you. You cant see the forest through the trees
Tell me that when Terry signs his next contract :rollin
His new contract at SEN and the Herald Sun in 2009 :shh ;)
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funniest comment i have heard this year!!
someone happy to be sitting in 12th spot.
MOI you may be happy with our season but i actually think it is sad. Another year out of the finals...2 out of 25 seasons now
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Enjoy wallowing in your misery guys :thumbsup
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Enjoy wallowing in your misery guys :thumbsup
when it comes to the RFC, ill be happy when we make the 8 MOI nothing else.
we have accepted failure for how many years??
im sorry your comment that "you were happy with our year so far" was mind boggling to say the least.
just my opinion thats all. call it constructive criticism!!! :lol
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just my opinion thats all. call it constructive criticism!!! :lol
No, call it entitled to one's own opinion.
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So Jack tell me, Do you think our list is better or worse than when we sacked Frawley?? If you can't see what Terry has done so far then you really are looking at the RFC through Mud encrusted glasses. I for one can see real potential in our list.
When we made finals with spud IMO our list was already in need of a makeover as we were just winning games ugly and our scoring average was lucky to get above 90. Look at Frawleys recruiting model compared to Wallace's. Frawley's had no sustainability whereas Wallace is proving his will be long term and overall far more beneficial to the clubs future success with or without him. Look at how many recycled's Frawley recruitied compared to Wallace (not including rookies).
Frawley
Biddiscombe, Houlihan, King, Flemming, Nicholls(sorry WP), Hudson, Hilton, Sziller, Johnson, Stafford, Marsh, Brown, Fletcher, Blumfield, Morrison, Weller.
Wallace
Kingsley, Graham, Humm, Knobel, Simmonds, Polak, P.Bowden, M.Morton, McMahon.
I may have missed a couple but for arguments sake you can see the difference and I know which one I prefer. C'mon Jack, you have to give credit where credits due for a change.
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So Jack tell me, Do you think our list is better or worse than when we sacked Frawley?? If you can't see what Terry has done so far then you really are looking at the RFC through Mud encrusted glasses. I for one can see real potential in our list.
When we made finals with spud IMO our list was already in need of a makeover as we were just winning games ugly and our scoring average was lucky to get above 90. Look at Frawleys recruiting model compared to Wallace's. Frawley's had no sustainability whereas Wallace is proving his will be long term and overall far more beneficial to the clubs future success with or without him. Look at how many recycled's Frawley recruitied compared to Wallace (not including rookies).
Frawley
Biddiscombe, Houlihan, King, Flemming, Nicholls(sorry WP), Hudson, Hilton, Sziller, Johnson, Stafford, Marsh, Brown, Fletcher, Blumfield, Morrison, Weller.
Wallace
Kingsley, Graham, Humm, Knobel, Simmonds, Polak, P.Bowden, M.Morton, McMahon.
I may have missed a couple but for arguments sake you can see the difference and I know which one I prefer. C'mon Jack, you have to give credit where credits due for a change.
You're comparing Wallace to the wrong guy. Everyone looks good against the worst coach ever to have been given an AFL gig.
Now try comparing Wallace with Clarkson. Start with ladder position and work from there.
Facts are that we pay Wallace twice what Clarkson (or eade for that matter get), and in the same period those guys are coaching top 4 sides. And go back to 2004 on this board and see if there's any posts arguing the Hawks had a better list before you think about making that argument.
Sure we've got more potential on our list than we had with Frawley, but that's hardly a tick for great coaching from Wallace.
Wallace has underachieved. We gave him all the time and all the money he wanted, and we're still underachieveing. Any Richmond supporter should be spewing that we are well behind the Hawks and Dogs despite starting from a similar development stage, and probably now the Blues as well who started well after us.
If when Wallace was appointed all you were expecting was someone better than Frawley, then you have pretty low expectations mate. I was thinking he'd make us a top 4 side in his 5 years. And I doubt he would have taken the job if he didnt think so himself.
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Facts are that we pay Wallace twice what Clarkson (or eade for that matter get), and in the same period those guys are coaching top 4 sides.
That may have been the case in 2004, but it certainly wouldn't be now. Clarkson has already renegotiated and would be on PLENTY
And go back to 2004 on this board and see if there's any posts arguing the Hawks had a better list before you think about making that argument.
With the benefit of hindsight we can see that was far from the truth though. Most of the players the Hawks have taken in the draft since Clarkson took over aren't regulars in the side. Only Franklin, Roughead, Lewis and now Rioli. Dowler, Thorp, Muston, Renouf, Bailey, etc are not regulars in the team and most don't look like breaking in any time soon.
There side is built around Hodge, Mitchell, Bateman, Crawford, Croad, Sewell etc who were on the list when Clarkson took over.
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You're comparing Wallace to the wrong guy. Everyone looks good against the worst coach ever to have been given an AFL gig.
Facts are that we pay Wallace twice what Clarkson (or eade for that matter get),....
Could you post the actual salary of each of the 3 please?
I'm assuming you have that information if you're stating it as facts.
As for you alluding to Frawley being the worst coach ever, his ordinary record is still heaps better than plenty of others.
He might not have been particularly good but here are a few names from recent times who don't compare well to him statistically - Tim Watson, Peter Rohde, Damian Drum and Gerard Neesham.
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Enjoy wallowing in your misery guys :thumbsup
when it comes to the RFC, ill be happy when we make the 8 MOI nothing else.
we have accepted failure for how many years??
im sorry your comment that "you were happy with our year so far" was mind boggling to say the least.
just my opinion thats all. call it constructive criticism!!! :lol
Totally agree
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Who's gonna coach us Jack if Wallace doesn't?
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So Jack tell me, Do you think our list is better or worse than when we sacked Frawley?? If you can't see what Terry has done so far then you really are looking at the RFC through Mud encrusted glasses. I for one can see real potential in our list.
When we made finals with spud IMO our list was already in need of a makeover as we were just winning games ugly and our scoring average was lucky to get above 90. Look at Frawleys recruiting model compared to Wallace's. Frawley's had no sustainability whereas Wallace is proving his will be long term and overall far more beneficial to the clubs future success with or without him. Look at how many recycled's Frawley recruitied compared to Wallace (not including rookies).
Frawley
Biddiscombe, Houlihan, King, Flemming, Nicholls(sorry WP), Hudson, Hilton, Sziller, Johnson, Stafford, Marsh, Brown, Fletcher, Blumfield, Morrison, Weller.
Wallace
Kingsley, Graham, Humm, Knobel, Simmonds, Polak, P.Bowden, M.Morton, McMahon.
I may have missed a couple but for arguments sake you can see the difference and I know which one I prefer. C'mon Jack, you have to give credit where credits due for a change.
At the moment, worse. I dont beleive the younger guys we have recuited as a GROUP are going to impact as good as many people think( exclude( Lids, Cotchin,Morton Foley Thursfield). There has been more mistakes with recuiting in the past 4 years than there has been for a while. Tambling/JON/ McMahon, throw in wasted pics in Graham/Kingsley i could go on and on. Have a look at the guys at Coburg who have been on our list for a few years Eg Meyer, Connors etc There are too many small players recruited.
By the way, if you bag Sziller and C.King, you know little about football. They were 2 major reasons we played finals in 2001, both had good years, go and get a video and have a look.
Weller and Morrison, well that was Greg Millers influence, he has little idea but there are some here who reckon he is a genius, hammerheads maybe :lol
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Who's gonna coach us Jack if Wallace doesn't?
Mark Williams
Wayne Campbell.
Leon Cameron
Kevin Sheedy.
Leon Cameron would make an excellent coach.
Half the price then Wallet and you would get a better result.
You all laughed at me when I mentioned Matty Knights last year, lets just see where Matty is at the end of the year shall we, he will be an excellent coach. as will Leon and Wayne in the future
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Mattie will be a good coach when he gets the results on the board.
For a team that was going to make the eight, they're doing worse than us, yet you give him credit and us none.
Wayne Campbell and Leon Cameron, have they coached before
Kevin Sheedy is gonna coach from his nursing home
And Mark Williams, how can you insult us like that.
You wanna get rid of members, get Mark Williams.
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Have a look at the guys at Coburg who have been on our list for a few years Eg Meyer, Connors etc There are too many small players recruited.
A few years???????
It is Connors 2nd year Jack....
SInce when has a FEW = 2 ::)
Meyer - it's his 4th but to throw Connors in there is stupid
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Mattie will be a good coach when he gets the results on the board.
For a team that was going to make the eight, they're doing worse than us, yet you give him credit and us none.
Wayne Campbell and Leon Cameron, have they coached before
Kevin Sheedy is gonna coach from his nursing home
And Mark Williams, how can you insult us like that.
You wanna get rid of members, get Mark Williams.
again your post is illinformed MOI.
Knighter is into his 1st year, whereas TW is approaching the end of his 4th.
big difference wouldn't you say
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again your post is illinformed MOI.
Suggest you get informed:
Matthew Knights:
Port Adelaide Magpies - 20 games - 7 wins, 13 losses
Bendigo - 55 games - 20 wins - 35 losses
Essendon - 14 games - 5 wiins - 9 losses
I see a pattern here. Until he starts winning and he can tip the scales there is nothing to suggest Matthew Knights is a gimme or deserves to coach the Tiges or anyone.
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Have a look at the guys at Coburg who have been on our list for a few years Eg Meyer, Connors etc There are too many small players recruited.
A few years???????
It is Connors 2nd year Jack....
SInce when has a FEW = 2 ::)
Meyer - it's his 4th but to throw Connors in there is stupid
You dont get it WP do you?
Connors hasnt improved from last year.
Why hasnt he improved ?
Had a taste of AFL, where is he now, Coburg.
I rest my case. ::)
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again your post is illinformed MOI.
Suggest you get informed:
Matthew Knights:
Port Adelaide Magpies - 20 games - 7 wins, 13 losses
Bendigo - 55 games - 20 wins - 35 losses
Essendon - 14 games - 5 wiins - 9 losses
I see a pattern here. Until he starts winning and he can tip the scales there is nothing to suggest Matthew Knights is a gimme or deserves to coach the Tiges or anyone.
Moi, I am sick of your crap.
Why dont you start watching a few games and try and look at what essendon are trying to achieve, there game plan etc.
Instead of the RUBBISH Wallace dishes up! chip chip chip, sideways backwards etc etc
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again your post is illinformed MOI.
Suggest you get informed:
Matthew Knights:
Port Adelaide Magpies - 20 games - 7 wins, 13 losses
Bendigo - 55 games - 20 wins - 35 losses
Essendon - 14 games - 5 wiins - 9 losses
I see a pattern here. Until he starts winning and he can tip the scales there is nothing to suggest Matthew Knights is a gimme or deserves to coach the Tiges or anyone.
Moi, I am sick of your crap.
Why dont you start watching a few games and try and look at what essendon are trying to achieve, there game plan etc.
Instead of the RUBBISH Wallace dishes up! chip chip chip, sideways backwards etc etc
How you can recommend someone like Knighter who doesn't have the runs on the board above someone who at least got the dogs to a preliminary final - yes, the same as Danny for the Frawley lovers. You even wanted Mark Harvey at one stage. We would be scraping the bottom of the barrel to get him, yet you think he's a great coach lol
Yep, Freo are a dangerous side :lol
Only dangerous when you split your sides laughing at Harvey's press conferences lol
Get some counselling
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l dont think wallace will get any extensions this year.
and the simple fact of the matter is ,if we go down the drain in the remaining matches, he wont be there next year.
l think with miller stepping down from the board ,he is distancing himself from any plans about wallace.
it is unusual for a board member to step down midseason,yes people will be saying it allows him more time to do his recruiting dutys ,but he must of thought about that before the season started.
l think march is starting to listen to what the fans are saying.
l wouldnt be surprised to see wallaces name mentioned as a coach of the new gold coast team.
at least he wouldnt need his solarium up in qld.
the only concern l have is who would replace wallace as coach .
l think the tigers need a proven premiership coach,would worsfold or williams leave their clubs .
would mathews come back to victoria which he has stated he wanted to .
l would love worsfold to come to the tigers ,but l dont think that will happen.
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again your post is illinformed MOI.
Suggest you get informed:
Matthew Knights:
Port Adelaide Magpies - 20 games - 7 wins, 13 losses
Bendigo - 55 games - 20 wins - 35 losses
Essendon - 14 games - 5 wiins - 9 losses
I see a pattern here. Until he starts winning and he can tip the scales there is nothing to suggest Matthew Knights is a gimme or deserves to coach the Tiges or anyone.
Moi, I am sick of your crap.
Why dont you start watching a few games and try and look at what essendon are trying to achieve, there game plan etc.
Instead of the RUBBISH Wallace dishes up! chip chip chip, sideways backwards etc etc
How you can recommend someone like Knighter who doesn't have the runs on the board above someone who at least got the dogs to a preliminary final - yes, the same as Danny for the Frawley lovers. You even wanted Mark Harvey at one stage. We would be scraping the bottom of the barrel to get him, yet you think he's a great coach lol
Yep, Freo are a dangerous side :lol
Only dangerous when you split your sides laughing at Harvey's press conferences lol
Get some counselling
very mature post MOI. Get some councelling!!! very bright comment indeed.
No where have i ever said that Knighter should be the coach of the rfc.
i am merely saying to use him as a comparison to TW is stupid.
4 years vrs 1 year. yeah lets compare... :wallywink
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again your post is illinformed MOI.
Suggest you get informed:
Matthew Knights:
Port Adelaide Magpies - 20 games - 7 wins, 13 losses
Bendigo - 55 games - 20 wins - 35 losses
Essendon - 14 games - 5 wiins - 9 losses
I see a pattern here. Until he starts winning and he can tip the scales there is nothing to suggest Matthew Knights is a gimme or deserves to coach the Tiges or anyone.
Moi, I am sick of your crap.
Why dont you start watching a few games and try and look at what essendon are trying to achieve, there game plan etc.
Instead of the RUBBISH Wallace dishes up! chip chip chip, sideways backwards etc etc
How you can recommend someone like Knighter who doesn't have the runs on the board above someone who at least got the dogs to a preliminary final - yes, the same as Danny for the Frawley lovers. You even wanted Mark Harvey at one stage. We would be scraping the bottom of the barrel to get him, yet you think he's a great coach lol
Yep, Freo are a dangerous side :lol
Only dangerous when you split your sides laughing at Harvey's press conferences lol
Get some counselling
We know who needs Counselling ::)
And as for Mark Harvey, he was good friends with Clinton Casey at the time.
Its no secret that they met often and Harvey knocked back any progress in even looking at coaching the tiges
Watch how Essendon play for once in your life.
Wallaces game plan is terrible or dont you watch the game ::)
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You dont get it WP do you?
Connors hasnt improved from last year.
Why hasnt he improved ?
Had a taste of AFL, where is he now, Coburg.
I rest my case. ::)
You rest your case? Thank god you're not a lawyer, you wouldn't be very good, although you may be liked more
Daniel had no preseason due to stress fractures in his leg.
Even forgetting that, he certainly wouldn't be the first player to plateau or drop in his 2nd year, they've even named it 2nd Year Blues.
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By the way, if you bag Sziller and C.King, you know little about football. They were 2 major reasons we played finals in 2001, both had good years, go and get a video and have a look.
Weller and Morrison, well that was Greg Millers influence, he has little idea but there are some here who reckon he is a genius, hammerheads maybe :lol
No Jack, If you read my post correctly, All the players in my post were labelled as "Recycled" not Duds. Recycled players are players that have played for AFL clubs previously ::) I was actually contemplating leaving King & Sziller out as I knew you wouldn't get where I was coming from. On Frawley's list is also one N.Brown. You keep mentioning Kingsley & Graham yet you forget some of the horrible trades done in the past which we are still paying for like Hudson, Marsh, fleming, Fletcher etc... In retrospect, Kingsley and Graham really cost us very little and Graham actually did fill a void and performed his job reasonably well. Glad to see you were somehow able to associate Weller & Morrison indirectly to our current onfield management via Miller. ::) IIRC, you have said in the past that you felt Frawley was a better coach than Wallace and I was just providing Facts based on their ability to build a sustainable list. For you to prefer Frawley's list of recycled's over Wallace's is laughable! :lol
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We know who needs Counselling ::)
And as for Mark Harvey, he was good friends with Clinton Casey at the time.
Its no secret that they met often and Harvey knocked back any progress in even looking at coaching the tiges
Watch how Essendon play for once in your life.
Wallaces game plan is terrible or dont you watch the game ::)
Your obsession with TW is bordering on being an issue where some sort of help is needed.
:whistle
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No where have i ever said that Knighter should be the coach of the rfc.
i am merely saying to use him as a comparison to TW is stupid.
4 years vrs 1 year. yeah lets compare... :wallywink
Never said you did, i was replying to Jack ::)
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any Richmond supporter could tell our future if they seriously watched the game style & coaching match-ups on the field that Wallace has given us nothing of value since taking over.
He started his cleanout far too late which has caused us more grief & we should be more advanced in list like the Hawks, Bulldogs, Blues, Crows, Bombers, Bears, Magpies, Saints, but the fact is they have played finals & have turned over many players & are playing finals again while we stink in our poo decision making of bad recruiting of 1 year players who spend more time playing for Coburg than giving Richmond any benefit at all.
Wallace & Miller are lucky someone like myself is not President of the club, cause l would sacked them for even thinking of rebuilding a side after being there a few seasons. The playing style is pathetic & we are the slowest club coming out of the backline moving forward even with Bowden missing from the side. We still continue to look backwards & sideways & our captain is rated the worst in the league & our leadership group is wrong, so that says alot for the coaching at present cause we are feared by no club in fact other clubs look forward to playing us after they have a fall the previous week. Our players show no intimidation apart from King, we are fearless.
These last 8 weeks are going to be painful, the fact is Wallace does not know how to instruct other coaches to carry out basic tactics & moves & we are suffering dearly.
Leon Cameron or Paul Hudson would coach better
by the way did anyone see how exciting Dale Thomas was on Saturday night ;D gee his exciting l wish he wore yellow & black colours cause his a future champion who was drafted after Tambling, Deledio, McMahon, & others & his coach has him producing like all them other skunk drafts.
Why is Collingwood so more advanced with thier new players, its cause we got bozo's coaching them ;D we are the Richmond Tafe Coaching College :rollin
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You're comparing Wallace to the wrong guy. Everyone looks good against the worst coach ever to have been given an AFL gig.
Facts are that we pay Wallace twice what Clarkson (or eade for that matter get),....
Could you post the actual salary of each of the 3 please?
I'm assuming you have that information if you're stating it as facts.
As for you alluding to Frawley being the worst coach ever, his ordinary record is still heaps better than plenty of others.
He might not have been particularly good but here are a few names from recent times who don't compare well to him statistically - Tim Watson, Peter Rohde, Damian Drum and Gerard Neesham.
Dont be such a baby FF. You cant dispute that Wallace was one of the highest paid AFL coaches when he was appointed and he was (and is) making a lot more money than Eade or Clarkson.
And rightly so. He got the big contract because he was one of the few coaches around that could have us playing finals again.
That he hasnt shouldnt be fobbed off. It should be the primary consideration if a contract extension is going to take place.
And LMAO @ you still defending Danny Frawley
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You dont get it WP do you?
Connors hasnt improved from last year.
Why hasnt he improved ?
Had a taste of AFL, where is he now, Coburg.
I rest my case. ::)
Another of your stock standard answers Jack ..."someone (in this case me) just doesnt get it"
Why because I disagree with you :banghead
You posted (that's you not me) that we should take a look at the guys playing at Coburg that have been on the RFC list a few years, in that sweeping statement YOU, not me threw in the name Connors.
The facts are Connors has been on the list since the 2006 draft, that by my calculation means that 2008 is his 2nd year. Now the last time I checked the term a "few" meant 3 or more.
Connors has not been on the RFC list a few years - that was my point. :banghead Perhaps it is you who doesn't get it because that was my POINT, nothing more nothing less
As Imfamy correctly pointed out Connors had an interupted pre-season due to injury and that let me guess in your mind that wouldn't play any part in him not playing AFL so far this year ::)
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Facts are that we pay Wallace twice what Clarkson (or eade for that matter get), and in the same period those guys are coaching top 4 sides.
That may have been the case in 2004, but it certainly wouldn't be now. Clarkson has already renegotiated and would be on PLENTY
And go back to 2004 on this board and see if there's any posts arguing the Hawks had a better list before you think about making that argument.
With the benefit of hindsight we can see that was far from the truth though. Most of the players the Hawks have taken in the draft since Clarkson took over aren't regulars in the side. Only Franklin, Roughead, Lewis and now Rioli. Dowler, Thorp, Muston, Renouf, Bailey, etc are not regulars in the team and most don't look like breaking in any time soon.
There side is built around Hodge, Mitchell, Bateman, Crawford, Croad, Sewell etc who were on the list when Clarkson took over.
You've left a few out who were on the list when Clarkson took over
Sewell, Brown, Osbourne, Williams, Ladson, Clarke & Campbell
Poor posting mate ;)
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I included Sewell, but I did add an etc so that covers the rest ;D
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Your obsession with TW is bordering on being an issue where some sort of help is needed.
:whistle
correct!
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by the way did anyone see how exciting Dale Thomas was on Saturday night ;D gee his exciting l wish he wore yellow & black colours cause his a future champion who was drafted after Tambling, Deledio, McMahon, & others & his coach has him producing like all them other skunk drafts.
Dale Thomas is a show pony, doesn't do the team things and loves the spotlight. His year so far hasn't been that great other than making a few highlight reels.
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Dont be such a baby FF. You cant dispute that Wallace was one of the highest paid AFL coaches when he was appointed and he was (and is) making a lot more money than Eade or Clarkson.
No, I can't dispute it because I don't know.
I have no doubt he was on much more money than Clarkson. Not so sure he would be now.
I wouldn't be surprised if Eade was in a similar salary bracket to Wallace from the start. The dogs had more to spend on their football department through CBF money. They also had a full senior playing list with 2 veterans whereas Richmond went a player short by keeping Campbell on the main list and only had 2 rookies.
You have stated it's "facts" that Wallace is getting twice as much as Clarkson and Eade. Feed the baby. Post what each of them is actually being paid. Back up your claim with some facts.
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Dont be such a baby FF. You cant dispute that Wallace was one of the highest paid AFL coaches when he was appointed and he was (and is) making a lot more money than Eade or Clarkson.
No, I can't dispute it because I don't know.
I have no doubt he was on much more money than Clarkson. Not so sure he would be now.
I wouldn't be surprised if Eade was in a similar salary bracket to Wallace from the start. The dogs had more to spend on their football department through CBF money. They also had a full senior playing list with 2 veterans whereas Richmond went a player short by keeping Campbell on the main list and only had 2 rookies.
You have stated it's "facts" that Wallace is getting twice as much as Clarkson and Eade. Feed the baby. Post what each of them is actually being paid. Back up your claim with some facts.
Its hardly rocket science mate. Wallace is paid in the top bracket of coaches, and Clarkson was paid as a first time/first year coach. That's $500-600 VS $200-300.
So lets debate which of the two has provided better value for money?
How about Eade? He has done remarkebly well with a list Wallace didnt think he could take any further, hasnt he?
Also not sure about your claim the Dogs had more money to spend either. From memory, we cut our player payments from 99% of the salary cap to fund Wallace's coaching contract :P
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I included Sewell, but I did add an etc so that covers the rest ;D
LMAO :thumbsup
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by the way did anyone see how exciting Dale Thomas was on Saturday night ;D gee his exciting l wish he wore yellow & black colours cause his a future champion who was drafted after Tambling, Deledio, McMahon, & others & his coach has him producing like all them other skunk drafts.
Dale Thomas is a show pony, doesn't do the team things and loves the spotlight. His year so far hasn't been that great other than making a few highlight reels.
Dale Thomas is a footballer going places & playing finals, not like our crappy coached derailed ugly skilled side
Show pony :lol ;D l call it class & he done quite a bit of it this year ;D as his often showed in brilliant highlights of the game on sports shows, its a pity our players dont get shown like that more often apart from a ageing Richo cause our young are poorly coached by Sunbaked Terry & his clowns
Give me Thomas to watch playing football any weekend, his a joy to watch, l just hope they try & get him down to play at Tigerland
if you think his not gifted your a lunatic who knows poo
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Dale Thomas is a footballer going places & playing finals, not like our poohty coached derailed ugly skilled side
Of which Joel Bowden, Matty Richardson, Trent Cotchin, Kelvin Moore & Brett Deledio are members of. ::) Put your tar brush back in the Tin Monk and stop slagging the team as a whole. They are not all ugly skilled. We have some very good players and a few more to come through. Sure, ultimately the coach is responsible for the overall teams performance but Terry doesn't go out there and kick turnovers for JON or make Nathan Brown kick 6 points. He is just as frustrated as we are with some of the moronic decisions our players make at times.
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Dont be such a baby FF. You cant dispute that Wallace was one of the highest paid AFL coaches when he was appointed and he was (and is) making a lot more money than Eade or Clarkson.
No, I can't dispute it because I don't know.
I have no doubt he was on much more money than Clarkson. Not so sure he would be now.
I wouldn't be surprised if Eade was in a similar salary bracket to Wallace from the start. The dogs had more to spend on their football department through CBF money. They also had a full senior playing list with 2 veterans whereas Richmond went a player short by keeping Campbell on the main list and only had 2 rookies.
You have stated it's "facts" that Wallace is getting twice as much as Clarkson and Eade. Feed the baby. Post what each of them is actually being paid. Back up your claim with some facts.
Its hardly rocket science mate. Wallace is paid in the top bracket of coaches, and Clarkson was paid as a first time/first year coach. That's $500-600 VS $200-300.
So lets debate which of the two has provided better value for money?
How about Eade? He has done remarkebly well with a list Wallace didnt think he could take any further, hasnt he?
Also not sure about your claim the Dogs had more money to spend either. From memory, we cut our player payments from 99% of the salary cap to fund Wallace's coaching contract :P
Correct , great post actually 1980. Value for money :thumbsup
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I'm sure Terry will give half of his wage back to the club at the aend of his contract.
Have some faith peeps :shh
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Time to stop envying TW's wage people.
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You dont get it WP do you?
Connors hasnt improved from last year.
Why hasnt he improved ?
Had a taste of AFL, where is he now, Coburg.
I rest my case. ::)
Another of your stock standard answers Jack ..."someone (in this case me) just doesnt get it"
Why because I disagree with you :banghead
You posted (that's you not me) that we should take a look at the guys playing at Coburg that have been on the RFC list a few years, in that sweeping statement YOU, not me threw in the name Connors.
The facts are Connors has been on the list since the 2006 draft, that by my calculation means that 2008 is his 2nd year. Now the last time I checked the term a "few" meant 3 or more.
Connors has not been on the RFC list a few years - that was my point. :banghead Perhaps it is you who doesn't get it because that was my POINT, nothing more nothing less
As Imfamy correctly pointed out Connors had an interupted pre-season due to injury and that let me guess in your mind that wouldn't play any part in him not playing AFL so far this year ::)
This site is getting laughable.
I know Connors had an interupted pre-season.
Cotchin didnt even have one and look where he is .
I rest my case.
Anyway, you disgree with everything I say.
Thats why we are playing Finals football this year. :lol
Your right WP ::) ::) ::) ::) Always! :lol
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This site is getting laughable.
I know Connors had an interupted pre-season.
Cotchin didnt even have one and look where he is .
I rest my case.
Anyway, you disgree with everything I say.
Thats why we are playing Finals football this year. :lol
Your right WP ::) ::) ::) ::) Always! :lol
If you don't like the site bugger off (again)
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Dale Thomas is a footballer going places & playing finals, not like our poohty coached derailed ugly skilled side
Of which Joel Bowden, Matty Richardson, Trent Cotchin, Kelvin Moore & Brett Deledio are members of. ::) Put your tar brush back in the Tin Monk and stop slagging the team as a whole. They are not all ugly skilled. We have some very good players and a few more to come through. Sure, ultimately the coach is responsible for the overall teams performance but Terry doesn't go out there and kick turnovers for JON or make Nathan Brown kick 6 points. He is just as frustrated as we are with some of the moronic decisions our players make at times.
True they all play the pooh together but its up to the coaches to put a stop to it after all these years.
Nothing gets done, no real harsh tuff decisions & thats why the culture has never changed on the field cause simply nothing is done to change it.
Makes supporters like me the way we are, we continue to give money to the club year after year, decade after decade continueously >:( but we get served up the same crap & the lame excuses & next year it wont continue cause this fella os cutting his ties
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Its hardly rocket science mate. Wallace is paid in the top bracket of coaches, and Clarkson was paid as a first time/first year coach. That's $500-600 VS $200-300.
Also not sure about your claim the Dogs had more money to spend either. From memory, we cut our player payments from 99% of the salary cap to fund Wallace's coaching contract :P
Richmond had the cheapest coaching panel in 2005. Also, didn't have a full-time recruiting manager.
If you reckon it's hardly rocket science then how did you come up with Wallace getting twice as much as Eade? Not "facts", speculation and opinion without proof.
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Its hardly rocket science mate. Wallace is paid in the top bracket of coaches, and Clarkson was paid as a first time/first year coach. That's $500-600 VS $200-300.
Also not sure about your claim the Dogs had more money to spend either. From memory, we cut our player payments from 99% of the salary cap to fund Wallace's coaching contract :P
Richmond had the cheapest coaching panel in 2005. Also, didn't have a full-time recruiting manager.
If you reckon it's hardly rocket science then how did you come up with Wallace getting twice as much as Eade? Not "facts", speculation and opinion without proof.
Can tell you that Terry demanded his conditions and he got them accordingly.
In the vicinty of $600,000 PLUS bonuses for finals ::) ::)
I reckon wooden spoons should count as a 50% reduction for 2 years
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This site is getting laughable.
I know Connors had an interupted pre-season.
Cotchin didnt even have one and look where he is .
I rest my case.
Anyway, you disgree with everything I say.
Thats why we are playing Finals football this year. :lol
Your right WP ::) ::) ::) ::) Always! :lol
If you don't like the site bugger off (again)
I might actually eff off, you clowns are starting to do my head in with your Terry Wallace love in website :banghead
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This site is getting laughable.
I know Connors had an interupted pre-season.
Cotchin didnt even have one and look where he is .
I rest my case.
Anyway, you disgree with everything I say.
Thats why we are playing Finals football this year. :lol
Your right WP ::) ::) ::) ::) Always! :lol
If you don't like the site bugger off (again)
I might actually eff off, you clowns are starting to do my head in with your Terry Wallace love in website :banghead
FFS don't talk about it, just do it.
and take Daniel with you. (at least you have some credibility)
:thumbsup
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This site is getting laughable.
I know Connors had an interupted pre-season.
Cotchin didnt even have one and look where he is .
I rest my case.
Anyway, you disgree with everything I say.
Thats why we are playing Finals football this year. :lol
Your right WP ::) ::) ::) ::) Always! :lol
If you don't like the site bugger off (again)
I might actually eff off, you clowns are starting to do my head in with your Terry Wallace love in website :banghead
FFS don't talk about it, just do it.
and take Daniel with you. (at least you have some credibility)
:thumbsup
MCMLXV i feel sorry for you i really do. Actually i feel sorry for your family having to live with such a loser...
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MCMLXV i feel sorry for you i really do. Actually i feel sorry for your family having to live with such a loser...
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So Jack tell me, Do you think our list is better or worse than when we sacked Frawley?? If you can't see what Terry has done so far then you really are looking at the RFC through Mud encrusted glasses. I for one can see real potential in our list.
When we made finals with spud IMO our list was already in need of a makeover as we were just winning games ugly and our scoring average was lucky to get above 90. Look at Frawleys recruiting model compared to Wallace's. Frawley's had no sustainability whereas Wallace is proving his will be long term and overall far more beneficial to the clubs future success with or without him. Look at how many recycled's Frawley recruitied compared to Wallace (not including rookies).
Frawley
Biddiscombe, Houlihan, King, Flemming, Nicholls(sorry WP), Hudson, Hilton, Sziller, Johnson, Stafford, Marsh, Brown, Fletcher, Blumfield, Morrison, Weller.
Wallace
Kingsley, Graham, Humm, Knobel, Simmonds, Polak, P.Bowden, M.Morton, McMahon.
I may have missed a couple but for arguments sake you can see the difference and I know which one I prefer. C'mon Jack, you have to give credit where credits due for a change.
At the moment, worse. I dont beleive the younger guys we have recuited as a GROUP are going to impact as good as many people think( exclude( Lids, Cotchin,Morton Foley Thursfield). There has been more mistakes with recuiting in the past 4 years than there has been for a while. Tambling/JON/ McMahon, throw in wasted pics in Graham/Kingsley i could go on and on. Have a look at the guys at Coburg who have been on our list for a few years Eg Meyer, Connors etc There are too many small players recruited.
By the way, if you bag Sziller and C.King, you know little about football. They were 2 major reasons we played finals in 2001, both had good years, go and get a video and have a look.
Weller and Morrison, well that was Greg Millers influence, he has little idea but there are some here who reckon he is a genius, hammerheads maybe :lol
But you don't Jack! Some of us might even agree with you on certain points, but why must we read the same crap over and over and over and over and over and over?
WE KNOW...
...Wallace can't coach ( :banghead)
...You don't like JON, Tambling McMahon (!!!!!!! :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead!!!)
...we ""apparently"" wasted first round National Draft picks on Kingsley and Graham :wallywink
...We - as a collective - don't get it ( :banghead)
WE F'N KNOW!!!!
Now please, Shut the F*** up or change the record. :banghead
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Its hardly rocket science mate. Wallace is paid in the top bracket of coaches, and Clarkson was paid as a first time/first year coach. That's $500-600 VS $200-300.
Also not sure about your claim the Dogs had more money to spend either. From memory, we cut our player payments from 99% of the salary cap to fund Wallace's coaching contract :P
Richmond had the cheapest coaching panel in 2005. Also, didn't have a full-time recruiting manager.
If you reckon it's hardly rocket science then how did you come up with Wallace getting twice as much as Eade? Not "facts", speculation and opinion without proof.
Ok, so what exactly are you arguing?
That Wallace is not paid more than Eade or Clarkson?
That he is a great coach but we didnt pay him enough to incentivise him to make us a top 4 footy team?
That if we paid him more he'd work harder and get us in the 8 this year?
LMFAO
We did have a full time recruiting manager- Greg Miller. Nothing to do with budget either. Just politics. Miller wanted to do all the recruitment himself when he was on his "I'm the next Graeme Richmond" dream
Its a very simple fact. TW was appointed as one of the highest paid coaches in the AFL. I'm not sure how many 5 year deals were going around then either. Expectations were that we'd be a finals team in his 4th year, and we're not. On the other hand, Clarkson and Eade will fight it out for a GF spot against the Cats. And you may be the only guy in Australia that thinks either of them get paid more than wallace.
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So Jack tell me, Do you think our list is better or worse than when we sacked Frawley?? If you can't see what Terry has done so far then you really are looking at the RFC through Mud encrusted glasses. I for one can see real potential in our list.
When we made finals with spud IMO our list was already in need of a makeover as we were just winning games ugly and our scoring average was lucky to get above 90. Look at Frawleys recruiting model compared to Wallace's. Frawley's had no sustainability whereas Wallace is proving his will be long term and overall far more beneficial to the clubs future success with or without him. Look at how many recycled's Frawley recruitied compared to Wallace (not including rookies).
Frawley
Biddiscombe, Houlihan, King, Flemming, Nicholls(sorry WP), Hudson, Hilton, Sziller, Johnson, Stafford, Marsh, Brown, Fletcher, Blumfield, Morrison, Weller.
Wallace
Kingsley, Graham, Humm, Knobel, Simmonds, Polak, P.Bowden, M.Morton, McMahon.
I may have missed a couple but for arguments sake you can see the difference and I know which one I prefer. C'mon Jack, you have to give credit where credits due for a change.
At the moment, worse. I dont beleive the younger guys we have recuited as a GROUP are going to impact as good as many people think( exclude( Lids, Cotchin,Morton Foley Thursfield). There has been more mistakes with recuiting in the past 4 years than there has been for a while. Tambling/JON/ McMahon, throw in wasted pics in Graham/Kingsley i could go on and on. Have a look at the guys at Coburg who have been on our list for a few years Eg Meyer, Connors etc There are too many small players recruited.
By the way, if you bag Sziller and C.King, you know little about football. They were 2 major reasons we played finals in 2001, both had good years, go and get a video and have a look.
Weller and Morrison, well that was Greg Millers influence, he has little idea but there are some here who reckon he is a genius, hammerheads maybe :lol
But you don't Jack! Some of us might even agree with you on certain points, but why must we read the same crap over and over and over and over and over and over?
WE KNOW...
...Wallace can't coach ( :banghead)
...You don't like JON, Tambling McMahon (!!!!!!! :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead!!!)
...we ""apparently"" wasted first round National Draft picks on Kingsley and Graham :wallywink
...We - as a collective - don't get it ( :banghead)
WE F'N KNOW!!!!
Now please, Shut the F*** up or change the record. :banghead
You obviously agree with me :lol
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LOL :rollin
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LOL :rollin
We will have a beer soon.
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LOL :rollin
We will have a beer soon.
Only if you don't talk about Wallace :scream :pray :whistle
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LOL :rollin
We will have a beer soon.
Only if you don't talk about Wallace :scream :pray :whistle
Promise I wont, he wont be around by then, lol
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Ok, so what exactly are you arguing?
That Wallace is not paid more than Eade or Clarkson?
No. I've never said that, nor the other crap you've tried to pin on me .
I'm arguing that what you used as "facts" to back up your argument are not facts.
Specifically this -
Facts are that we pay Wallace twice what Clarkson (or eade for that matter get),...
I've agreed that Wallace would have been on much more than Clarkson to begin with. Without knowing, I think twice would probably be around the mark. Not now, though. Not ever twice as much as Eade.
As I said in my original reply, if you have proof that we pay Wallace twice what Clarkson or Eade get then cough it up. If you haven't then you can't claim it as facts which back you up.
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This site is getting laughable.
I know Connors had an interupted pre-season.
Cotchin didnt even have one and look where he is .
I rest my case.
So if our juniors can't have an impact as quick as Cotchin then they need to be thrown out of the club?
I'd accuse you of smoking crack, but I doubt you can afford it
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This site is getting laughable.
I know Connors had an interupted pre-season.
Cotchin didnt even have one and look where he is .
I rest my case.
So if our juniors can't have an impact as quick as Cotchin then they need to be thrown out of the club?
I'd accuse you of smoking crack, but I doubt you can afford it
Tambling, should be traded at end of year .
Patto, struggling.
Graham ?
Casserlry ?
Edwards ?
Connors ?
JON. GONE!
Polo ?
Hughes( would hope he can go on with it now, been there for 3 years for 12 games )
You need to keep turning over players quickly, not holding onto and living in hope as we have previous done.
Example. Schulz , Pettifer. Hyde, Jackson ( should of gone 2 years ago with Tom Roach)
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Its hardly rocket science mate. Wallace is paid in the top bracket of coaches, and Clarkson was paid as a first time/first year coach. That's $500-600 VS $200-300.
Also not sure about your claim the Dogs had more money to spend either. From memory, we cut our player payments from 99% of the salary cap to fund Wallace's coaching contract :P
Richmond had the cheapest coaching panel in 2005. Also, didn't have a full-time recruiting manager.
If you reckon it's hardly rocket science then how did you come up with Wallace getting twice as much as Eade? Not "facts", speculation and opinion without proof.
Ok, so what exactly are you arguing?
That Wallace is not paid more than Eade or Clarkson?
That he is a great coach but we didnt pay him enough to incentivise him to make us a top 4 footy team?
That if we paid him more he'd work harder and get us in the 8 this year?
LMFAO
We did have a full time recruiting manager- Greg Miller. Nothing to do with budget either. Just politics. Miller wanted to do all the recruitment himself when he was on his "I'm the next Graeme Richmond" dream
Its a very simple fact. TW was appointed as one of the highest paid coaches in the AFL. I'm not sure how many 5 year deals were going around then either. Expectations were that we'd be a finals team in his 4th year, and we're not. On the other hand, Clarkson and Eade will fight it out for a GF spot against the Cats. And you may be the only guy in Australia that thinks either of them get paid more than wallace.
Well, just like Fish, I too am waiting for some sort of evidence to back up your claims. You are being very "Canberra" like 1980 with the way you are expertly avoiding the question by responding with rhetorical questions in return. :scream I guess the burden of proof is too much for some. I hear the real proof may be hidden at Roswell along side the Holy Grail and Jimmy Hoffa. We need to bring back the old "Great mysteries of the world" hosted by Leonard Nimoy if we are to find out the real truth. ::)
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Ok, so what exactly are you arguing?
That Wallace is not paid more than Eade or Clarkson?
No. I've never said that, nor the other crap you've tried to pin on me .
I'm arguing that what you used as "facts" to back up your argument are not facts.
Specifically this -
Facts are that we pay Wallace twice what Clarkson (or eade for that matter get),...
I've agreed that Wallace would have been on much more than Clarkson to begin with. Without knowing, I think twice would probably be around the mark. Not now, though. Not ever twice as much as Eade.
As I said in my original reply, if you have proof that we pay Wallace twice what Clarkson or Eade get then cough it up. If you haven't then you can't claim it as facts which back you up.
LMAO
Could you possibly be more anal?
Terry Wallace should not be criticised because no-one can prove he was on twice the money Clarkson was on when he was appointed.
Well done to FF.
Now, how about you answer the point of the thread, because it would not matter what Wallace makes if we were a finals side this year.
Did you in 2004 expect the Hawks under Clarkson to be a top 4 side, and Richmond under Wallace not playing in a finals series into his 4th year? Since you cant post without facts, lets have that post you made from 2004 that said it
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Its hardly rocket science mate. Wallace is paid in the top bracket of coaches, and Clarkson was paid as a first time/first year coach. That's $500-600 VS $200-300.
Also not sure about your claim the Dogs had more money to spend either. From memory, we cut our player payments from 99% of the salary cap to fund Wallace's coaching contract :P
Richmond had the cheapest coaching panel in 2005. Also, didn't have a full-time recruiting manager.
If you reckon it's hardly rocket science then how did you come up with Wallace getting twice as much as Eade? Not "facts", speculation and opinion without proof.
Ok, so what exactly are you arguing?
That Wallace is not paid more than Eade or Clarkson?
That he is a great coach but we didnt pay him enough to incentivise him to make us a top 4 footy team?
That if we paid him more he'd work harder and get us in the 8 this year?
LMFAO
We did have a full time recruiting manager- Greg Miller. Nothing to do with budget either. Just politics. Miller wanted to do all the recruitment himself when he was on his "I'm the next Graeme Richmond" dream
Its a very simple fact. TW was appointed as one of the highest paid coaches in the AFL. I'm not sure how many 5 year deals were going around then either. Expectations were that we'd be a finals team in his 4th year, and we're not. On the other hand, Clarkson and Eade will fight it out for a GF spot against the Cats. And you may be the only guy in Australia that thinks either of them get paid more than wallace.
Well, just like Fish, I too am waiting for some sort of evidence to back up your claims. You are being very "Canberra" like 1980 with the way you are expertly avoiding the question by responding with rhetorical questions in return. :scream I guess the burden of proof is too much for some. I hear the real proof may be hidden at Roswell along side the Holy Grail and Jimmy Hoffa. We need to bring back the old "Great mysteries of the world" hosted by Leonard Nimoy if we are to find out the real truth. ::)
So what do you reckon those coaches were on when they wereappointed in 2004?
You've got my opinion.
How about yours?
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Two new posts but the song remains the same....How about this for a refreshing idea..."I don't know how much they were all paid, I just wanted to throw an unsubstaitiated comment with no eveidence to support my claim in an attempt to show my disgust in the coaching ability of one Terry Wallace" or at least say..."You want the truth?? You can't handle the truth!!" At least it would have been entertaining.
Like Fish, I have no idea what they were all paid. I'm waiting for you to educate me oh masterful one... ::) Wax on...Wax off :lol
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Itsh rike a circle
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ROFLMAOOOOOOOO@CUBSTER :rollin :rollin
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Two new posts but the song remains the same....How about this for a refreshing idea..."I don't know how much they were all paid, I just wanted to throw an unsubstaitiated comment with no eveidence to support my claim in an attempt to show my disgust in the coaching ability of one Terry Wallace" or at least say..."You want the truth?? You can't handle the truth!!" At least it would have been entertaining.
Like Fish, I have no idea what they were all paid. I'm waiting for you to educate me oh masterful one... ::) Wax on...Wax off :lol
So you think I'm wrong but you dont have the answer either? LMAO
How about just an opinion? Humor me.
One was in a middle of a bidding war between Hawthorn and Richmond, another one had left Sydney with a somewhat less than perfect reputation and accepted the first offer put in front of him, and the final one had not coached at senior level before, was a surprise appointment and came out of left field.
Which of the three do you think was the highest paid? Which was the lowest paid?
Is it that difficult for you to have an opinion?
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You need to keep turning over players quickly, not holding onto and living in hope as we have previous done.
Example. Schulz , Pettifer. Hyde, Jackson ( should of gone 2 years ago with Tom Roach)
We've had to clean out the senior players first, you can't delist both the old bastards and the kids who you think aren't up to it or you'll be left with no one to play on the weekend.
Once we have got rid of the rest of the dead wood then we can start focussing on cleaning up the kids who haven't come on.
If you do it all in one go you end up just filling your list with 7th-8th+ round draft picks and then you're back to square one complaining about kids who haven't shown anything in 2 years.
Half the old blokes will/should go at the end of the year, then the rest most likely the year after that, there will be a few youngsters who are clearcut decisions to go who'll also get cut along the way, but not the maybes.
It's not rocket science.
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Two new posts but the song remains the same....How about this for a refreshing idea..."I don't know how much they were all paid, I just wanted to throw an unsubstaitiated comment with no eveidence to support my claim in an attempt to show my disgust in the coaching ability of one Terry Wallace" or at least say..."You want the truth?? You can't handle the truth!!" At least it would have been entertaining.
Like Fish, I have no idea what they were all paid. I'm waiting for you to educate me oh masterful one... ::) Wax on...Wax off :lol
So you think I'm wrong but you dont have the answer either? LMAO
How about just an opinion? Humor me.
One was in a middle of a bidding war between Hawthorn and Richmond, another one had left Sydney with a somewhat less than perfect reputation and accepted the first offer put in front of him, and the final one had not coached at senior level before, was a surprise appointment and came out of left field.
Which of the three do you think was the highest paid? Which was the lowest paid?
Is it that difficult for you to have an opinion?
I don't know 1980 if you are right or wrong as I have no idea what they were paid. So you want me to humour you??...Well I can post a whole heap of baseless drivel if that will make you happy but it won't bring anything to the table as far as this debate is concerned. I guess we are both in the same boat after all eh?? You paddle for dry land while I try and pitch out the water before we both sink...gurgle gurgle gurgle. :lol
Oh Sorry... Baseless drivel now following
Terry wallace was on 1 million a season based on performance and reviewed annually, Clarkson was on 100K a season reviewed annually based on performance. Now Wallace is on 100K a season and Clarkson is on 1 million a season. How does that sound?? Now that people realise Wallace is only on 100K a season, we should give him a break!
How was that 1980?? That's enough conjecture for me for one day thats for sure. If you don't know the real answer then maybe you should seek your answer in Shangri-La from the Grand Master Jackstar where you will be skilled in the art of "Groundhog day" :thumbsup
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cub wins post of the month for july hands down, this month is a no contest.
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This site is getting laughable.
I know Connors had an interupted pre-season.
Cotchin didnt even have one and look where he is .
I rest my case.
So if our juniors can't have an impact as quick as Cotchin then they need to be thrown out of the club?
I'd accuse you of smoking crack, but I doubt you can afford it
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Tambling, should be traded at end of year .
Patto, struggling.
Graham ?
Casserlry ?
Edwards ?
Connors ?
JON. GONE!
Polo ?
Hughes( would hope he can go on with it now, been there for 3 years for 12 games )
You need to keep turning over players quickly, not holding onto and living in hope as we have previous done.
Example. Schulz , Pettifer. Hyde, Jackson ( should of gone 2 years ago with Tom Roach)
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do you really know what your talking about :help
some players need a few years to be consistent.
its not cut and dry playing afl,you dont just walk in and be a regular player.
cotchin has done really well so far ,but he will get tagged and his preformance will be up and down until he learns the game properly.
tambling is still only young ,he has showed a bit at times to suggest he should be kept on the list ,at least until next year if he doesnt get his consistency right by then, well then trade him.
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Tambling can only be traded at the end of next year if he agrees to it.
He has a contract to the end of 2010.
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people wanting Tambling traded get serious, this young bloke is still learning & has lots to offer Richmond in the next few seasons, his got huge talent & takes a good player every week. be easy on him ;D he maybe just another Cooney in a few seasons
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people wanting Tambling traded get serious, this young bloke is still learning & has lots to offer Richmond in the next few seasons, his got huge talent & takes a good player every week. be easy on him ;D he maybe just another Cooney in a few seasons
Disagree Monk, hasnt the right attitude to be a top afl player, trade him I say
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people wanting Tambling traded get serious, this young bloke is still learning & has lots to offer Richmond in the next few seasons, his got huge talent & takes a good player every week. be easy on him ;D he maybe just another Cooney in a few seasons
Everybody is tradeable.
Everybody,
at the right price I would trade anybody on the list.
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cotchin?
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cotchin?
One of the very few exceptions on our list but I definentely would Trade Tambling at the end of the year. Just an AFL player as a best case scenario is Richie. Trade him now whilst we can sucker in someone else.
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Would you offer Tambling+our 1st pick for Warnock and Freo's 1st pick?
(going on current ladder positions)
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people wanting Tambling traded get serious, this young bloke is still learning & has lots to offer Richmond in the next few seasons, his got huge talent & takes a good player every week. be easy on him ;D he maybe just another Cooney in a few seasons
Disagree Monk, hasnt the right attitude to be a top afl player, trade him I say
Disagree Jack ;D - nothing wrong with the kid's attitude
As for Cotchin mjs - one of very few on our list that would be in the "not for trade under any circumstances" category IMHO
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Would you offer Tambling+our 1st pick for Warnock and Freo's 1st pick?
(going on current ladder positions)
Geez Ramps we will be ruck heavy with Warnock if we did acquire him. I would give Tambling away now if a first round pick was offered. What Tambling has shown in his first 4.5 seasons has not warranted him being a first round pick. If anything I reckon he has gone backwards in the last 6-8 weeks.There is not much difference to his bad form and ordinary form. Just not good enough in my eyes. Bite the bullet with him and trade. Cut our losses just another token flanker who aint strong enough at this level.
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HT, this is Tambling's 4th season -> 3.5. ;)
Everybody is tradeable.
Everybody,
Unless they are contracted and refuse to be traded.
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HT, this is Tambling's 4th season -> 3.5. ;)
Everybody is tradeable.
Everybody,
Unless they are contracted and refuse to be traded.
Ah yes my mistake Fishfinger :cheers
Lamentably still don't change my assessment of him.
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Its a moot point we are discussing here. Richie is contracted till 2010 and AFAIK, he has no interest in leaving early. Lets discuss tradeable players that will be out of contract at the end of this season. Actually what would be really helpful, would one of the info guru's like One-Eyed, MT or WP post a list of players out of contract at seasons end so we can have a more realistic discussion please.
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people wanting Tambling traded get serious, this young bloke is still learning & has lots to offer Richmond in the next few seasons, his got huge talent & takes a good player every week. be easy on him ;D he maybe just another Cooney in a few seasons
Disagree Monk, hasnt the right attitude to be a top afl player, trade him I say
Disagree Jack ;D - nothing wrong with the kid's attitude
As for Cotchin mjs - one of very few on our list that would be in the "not for trade under any circumstances" category IMHO
Disagree ? Well my mail is that on the ground ,he switches off and loses his way . What you call that then ? I don know. ? Hasnt the mental application perhaps.?
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HT, this is Tambling's 4th season -> 3.5. ;)
Everybody is tradeable.
Everybody,
Unless they are contracted and refuse to be traded.
What makes you think he wouldnt agree to be traded?
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Its a moot point we are discussing here. Richie is contracted till 2010 and AFAIK, he has no interest in leaving early. Lets discuss tradeable players that will be out of contract at the end of this season. Actually what would be really helpful, would one of the info guru's like One-Eyed, MT or WP post a list of players out of contract at seasons end so we can have a more realistic discussion please.
OUT OF CONTRACT ........
Joel Bowden 2008
Andrew Collins 2008
Daniel Connors 2008
Shane Edwards 2008
Nathan Foley 2008
Chris Hyde 2008
Luke McGuane 2008
Chris Newman 2008
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls 2008
Kayne Pettifer 2008
Dean Polo 2008
Matthew Richardson 2008 (vet)
Jay Schulz 2008
Will Thursfield 2008
Shane Tuck 2008
Matthew White 2008
a lot of names. some just have to go..
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Its a moot point we are discussing here. Richie is contracted till 2010 and AFAIK, he has no interest in leaving early. Lets discuss tradeable players that will be out of contract at the end of this season. Actually what would be really helpful, would one of the info guru's like One-Eyed, MT or WP post a list of players out of contract at seasons end so we can have a more realistic discussion please.
OUT OF CONTRACT ........
Joel Bowden 2008
Andrew Collins 2008
Daniel Connors 2008
Shane Edwards 2008
Nathan Foley 2008
Chris Hyde 2008
Luke McGuane 2008
Chris Newman 2008
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls 2008
Kayne Pettifer 2008
Dean Polo 2008
Matthew Richardson 2008 (vet)
Jay Schulz 2008
Will Thursfield 2008
Shane Tuck 2008
Matthew White 2008
a lot of names. some just have to go..
Bowden
Pettifer
Hyde
JON
Schulz
now there is a start.
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Schulz
now there is a start.
dont be mean HT. I think we should sign Schulz up for another 3 years. He has been such a valuable asset to our team.
Some say his best year yet, yet he has been dropped what is it 3 times this year...
agree with all those names except Bowden, i think Sugar should go before him.
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HT, this is Tambling's 4th season -> 3.5. ;)
Everybody is tradeable.
Everybody,
Unless they are contracted and refuse to be traded.
What makes you think he wouldnt agree to be traded?
I haven't said I think that. I've got no idea whether he would or wouldn't agree.
I was just pointing out that he is contracted until the end of 2010 and a contracted player can't be traded unless he agrees to it.
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HT, this is Tambling's 4th season -> 3.5. ;)
Everybody is tradeable.
Everybody,
Unless they are contracted and refuse to be traded.
What makes you think he wouldnt agree to be traded?
I haven't said I think that. I've got no idea whether he would or wouldn't agree.
I was just pointing out that he is contracted until the end of 2010 and a contracted player can't be traded unless he agrees to it.
And also unlikely a player will stay where he is no longer wanted. How practical was it for Josh Kennedy to stay at Carlton even though he didnt want to be traded to WC?
Tambling seems like a genuinely nice kid, and I'm not for trading him, but he'd seem like the last guy to dig in.
I dont have any facts, but I reckon I can put up a pretty good argument that says so
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Yeah, I'm with you that a player is probably likely to go if he thinks he's no longer wanted. There are plenty of other cases where players still contracted have been traded when they really didn't want to be.
If a contracted player does dig in and refuse to be traded he won't be going anywhere, though.
If you want to argue that point you need to show where a contracted player has been traded without agreeing to it.
There may well be such a case. Josh Kennedy is not it. He was reluctant but, in the end, he agreed.
I have a vague recollection about Ray Hall refusing to be traded to Geelong and only agreeing to be traded if it was to Sydney, which didn't eventuate. Someone with a better memory might be able to confirm if that was the case.
Back on topic, I don't want to think about Terry Wallace's next contract until at least this time next year. A lot can happen in that time to make it clearer if he should or shouldn't get another one.
I agree with Moi's original post - 3 years if he gets another contract.
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l think its best to trade contracted players.
we have more control over what we get in return ,and we havent got the problem of players going into the psd,where we get nothing in return.
at this stage of the season l would say meyer,hyde and tivendale will be our delistings.
and petts,raines and maybe even jon,will be our tradings
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Centrelink for Terry Wallet
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I have a vague recollection about Ray Hall refusing to be traded to Geelong and only agreeing to be traded if it was to Sydney, which didn't eventuate. Someone with a better memory might be able to confirm if that was the case.
Confirmed
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OUT OF CONTRACT ........
Joel Bowden 2008
Andrew Collins 2008
Daniel Connors 2008
Shane Edwards 2008
Nathan Foley 2008
Chris Hyde 2008
Luke McGuane 2008
Chris Newman 2008
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls 2008
Kayne Pettifer 2008
Dean Polo 2008
Matthew Richardson 2008 (vet)
Jay Schulz 2008
Will Thursfield 2008
Shane Tuck 2008
Matthew White 2008
a lot of names. some just have to go..
Some of those aren't right and some names are missing. Foley and Thursty are contracted to 2010.
Here's OER's list:
Unknown but most likely 2008: Hyde, Jackson, Meyer, Moore, Tivendale.
2008: Bowden, Collins, Connors, Edwards, Graham, Johnson, King, McGuane, Newman, Oakley-Nicholls, Pettifer, Polo, Richardson, Schulz, White.
2009: Brown, Casserly, Cotchin, Coughlan, Deledio, Gourdis, Hughes, M.Morton, Pattison, Polak, Putt, Raines, Rance, J.Riewoldt, Simmonds.
2010: Foley, McMahon, Tambling, Tuck, Thursfield
Rookies:
Cam Howat (3rd year)
Clayton Collard (first year)
Jarred Silvester (first year, possible mature rookie next year if stays)
Tristian Cartledge (first and last year)
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?action=post;quote=73002;topic=5875.0;num_replies=29;sesc=6c914d26ce7a792a4cdb9d9b3ca5932d
Retire, cut or trade: Hyde, Schulz, Petts, Bowden (ret.), Tivs (ret.) and at least Howat from the rookie list. That's 4 ND picks + 1 PSD pick there without even thinking. Jackson, Meyer (got a feeling he'll survive on a one-year deal), JON and Johnson (ret?) next in line.
It depends on how many picks we end up with after trade week. Right now we have something like picks 6, 25, 41, 57, 73, 89, etc .... + PSD pick 6. The more early picks the more current players cut.
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I know Connors had an interupted pre-season.
Cotchin didnt even have one and look where he is .
I rest my case.
Jack, you know Cotch is the best kid to walk into Tigerland for 20 years at least. Connors is naturally talented but nowhere near Cotch. No one is. Only now is Connors looking like getting some match-fitness. He's no longer puffing halfway through training either like he was earlier in the season.
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Voss baulked at three-year contract
Chris McDermott | Adelaide Advertiser | July 11, 2008 11:30pm
FIVE-YEAR contracts for coaches in the AFL are a recipe for disaster – they just don't work.
The Terry Wallace experiment at Richmond is proof that no matter the quality of the man, a guaranteed five years at the helm of any club is too long.
Now in his fourth year, Wallace's Tigers team will once again be missing from the finals this season. The club has failed to capitalise on early draft picks in recent times – Trent Cotchin is the exception – and is still reliant on Matthew Richardson.
Not enough has changed at Punt Road in Wallace's time and he'll need a near-miracle to survive another term.
Every coach deserves one bad year. Not many get – or deserve – the luxury of two.
Of the 16 current coaches, eight are safe while the other eight know the next 12 months could be career-defining.
Wallace will feel the Richmond faithful baying for blood soon. With just one finals' campaign in the last 13 years, heads are certain to roll.
Full article at:
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24011825-12428,00.html
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Voss baulked at three-year contract
Chris McDermott | Adelaide Advertiser | July 11, 2008 11:30pm
FIVE-YEAR contracts for coaches in the AFL are a recipe for disaster – they just don't work.
The Terry Wallace experiment at Richmond is proof that no matter the quality of the man, a guaranteed five years at the helm of any club is too long.
Now in his fourth year, Wallace's Tigers team will once again be missing from the finals this season. The club has failed to capitalise on early draft picks in recent times – Trent Cotchin is the exception – and is still reliant on Matthew Richardson.
Not enough has changed at Punt Road in Wallace's time and he'll need a near-miracle to survive another term.
Every coach deserves one bad year. Not many get – or deserve – the luxury of two.
Of the 16 current coaches, eight are safe while the other eight know the next 12 months could be career-defining.
Wallace will feel the Richmond faithful baying for blood soon. With just one finals' campaign in the last 13 years, heads are certain to roll.
Full article at:
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24011825-12428,00.html
Fair article by Chris.
Only matte of time.
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But not this week lol
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But not this week lol
Big game next week but we know what might happen once again.
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TW coached well today. His match-ups in the middle were excellent and our clearance work was the difference in the result. I was listening to SEN and they said on more than one occasion that our players were well drilled and coached by there actions. In a game against weaker opponents it is easier to see the overall game plan and the varying strategies that the coach is instilling in the list...and I was trilled! :thumbsup
When we develop a strong, experienced and 'even' team this style will become more and more prevailant.
It's in game like this that you get to see everything in a 'perfect' senerio.
Time, experience and good coaching. We will get there with TW leading the way. :cheers
Stripes
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But not this week lol
Big game next week but we know what might happen once again.
Tiges up by 50 points at half-time?
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Somehow I don't think we will be. Lucas straightens the Bombers up a little bit and makes them a lot more dangerous. Hopefully Richo plays and so does Thursty.
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But not this week lol
Big game next week but we know what might happen once again.
Tiges up by 50 points at half-time?
Yep, typical response, supporters getting ahead of themselves, AGAIN.
Lose next week and the team you said were no good will be in front of us. They were pretty good against some good opposition last night.
West Coast were terrible today. Really we kicking 11 in a quarter is unheard of.
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Yep, typical response, supporters getting ahead of themselves, AGAIN.
Lose next week and the team you said were no good will be in front of us. They were pretty good against some good opposition last night.
West Coast were terrible today. Really we kicking 11 in a quarter is unheard of.
No no Jackie...no-one is getting ahead of themselves perhaps we are just enjoying a win
You should try it :yep
It's sweeeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttt :eyebrow
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But not this week lol
Big game next week but we know what might happen once again.
Tiges up by 50 points at half-time?
Yep, typical response, supporters getting ahead of themselves, AGAIN.
Lose next week and the team you said were no good will be in front of us. They were pretty good against some good opposition last night.
West Coast were terrible today. Really we kicking 11 in a quarter is unheard of.
Lighten up Jack FFS. Discrediting a Tiger win by 77 points because the opposition were terrible is a pretty typical response I might add. We had 12 shots in a quarter. Hardly something that's never been heard of. We just kicked incredibly straight 11.1. Amazing what happens when your goalkicking is at a professional standard :thumbsup.
Hille is the barometer of Essendon. The first half of the year he was useless. Last month he's been BOG every week. Tapwork to advantage was excellent and his work around the ground was just as good. The Lions were ordinary last night though which has been the pattern for them this year as they've struggled away from the 'Gabba this year. The Dons haven't beaten anyone of note either. The Bombers will also have to eventually move on from Lloyd and Lucas up forward and Fletcher down back. Can't rely on them forever as 3/5ths of their spine.
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Good old Jack, always rely on him for his great support :thumbsup
Must be tough on you mate when we win hey!
:rollin
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Good old Jack, always rely on him for his great support :thumbsup
Must be tough on you mate when we win hey!
:rollin
Good actually ,but 8-9 wins for the season in his 4th year is hardly a pass mark. :banghead
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Easy to coach a winning side when the other coach & his players want you to damage there percentage to a mere 65%, & give them the lose they are looking for. Matty Knights & the Bombers wont be so grateful as the Toxic Tankers
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Easy to coach a winning side when the other coach & his players want you to damage there percentage to a mere 65%, & give them the lose they are looking for. Matty Knights & the Bombers wont be so grateful as the Toxic Tankers
:rollin
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as expected moi commenting on TW's contract extension forum.
yay yay we smashed the eagles and will finish 9th or 10h. yay.
any win is a good win and by that margin its great, especially in subi, but lets be serious are we going to make the 8??
if not then our season is a complete waste..
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as expected moi commenting on TW's contract extension forum.
yay yay we smashed the eagles and will finish 9th or 10h. yay.
any win is a good win and by that margin its great, especially in subi, but lets be serious are we going to make the 8??
if not then our season is a complete waste..
Cotchin getting 25 touches and 2 goals, Jack 5 goals etc. is not a complete waste.
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Easy to coach a winning side when the other coach & his players want you to damage there percentage to a mere 65%, & give them the lose they are looking for. Matty Knights & the Bombers wont be so grateful as the Toxic Tankers
Its good to see posters on here who have an idea of football.
Great post Tigermonk.
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Easy to coach a winning side when the other coach & his players want you to damage there percentage to a mere 65%, & give them the lose they are looking for. Matty Knights & the Bombers wont be so grateful as the Toxic Tankers
look you are only as good as the opposition let you be.
and lm glad it was the tigers who damaged the eagle percentage.
but l have to agree with your comment,that was the worst case of tanking lve ever seen .
something has to be done by the afl to fix this problem.
with the new afl team coming in soon ,it might stop it for a while .
the eagles are not as bad as that.
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Easy to coach a winning side when the other coach & his players want you to damage there percentage to a mere 65%, & give them the lose they are looking for. Matty Knights & the Bombers wont be so grateful as the Toxic Tankers
the eagles are not as bad as that.
Disagree. They have been that bad almost all season and were bad well before it became time to tank. They lost by 76 in R2, 62 in R4, 60 in R6, 37 on R7, 100 in R10. All terrible results before the halfway mark of the season. Did they look like they were tanking in R11 v Sydney? And they have been smashed now in their last 4 games. They look more like a team that has totally lost confidence in themselves and each other, and it wouldn't matter 2 parts of 5 eighths of f... all what the coach did with them. The are simply playing too badly to tank. Worsfold would not want his kids being smashed every single week like they are.
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your darn right the Toxin Eagle Tankers aint that bad, there got players in there that have played in 2 grand finals in the last 3 years & won a premiership 2 years ago. you could see thier players giving up chasing & purposely turning the ball over. Players like Cox at stuff never heard of :rollin many players played out of position & unregular bench changes, surely if l can see this then Anderson at the AFL must. Its called CHEATING & the AFL were warned about this happening again. Its damaging the game of football & punters are staying away
The Toxin Tankers will get the #1 draft pick they are after & make a assault on the league next year with Nick Naitanui the most sort after player in Australia & they are after the #1 PSD to get payback on what Judd did to the club which l have heard they want Warnock
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Yep Eagles are bad, but if you so called experts new as much as you say you do, how come your not bragging how much money u won.
$9 for 39.5+ and 15's for 60+ - I know I am laughing ....... :gotigers
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Disagree. They have been that bad almost all season and were bad well before it became time to tank. They lost by 76 in R2, 62 in R4, 60 in R6, 37 on R7, 100 in R10. All terrible results before the halfway mark of the season. Did they look like they were tanking in R11 v Sydney? And they have been smashed now in their last 4 games. They look more like a team that has totally lost confidence in themselves and each other, and it wouldn't matter 2 parts of 5 eighths of f... all what the coach did with them. The are simply playing too badly to tank. Worsfold would not want his kids being smashed every single week like they are.
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Smokey Richmond are not 77 points or 11 goals 2nd quarter better side than the Toxin Tankers considering we were missing Thursfield, Richo, King. There was nothing wrong with any of them Toxic Tanking Eagle players. Darren Glass one of the best fullbacks not at stuff & Big Cox down there :rollin.
If the Eagles were so bad every club above us would be pumping them by 100 points cause we are not that good
What made it even more standout is McMahon 33 possies & 10 of them really bad turnovers or at our players feet or over our players heads :lol
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Yep Eagles are bad, but if you so called experts new as much as you say you do, how come your not bragging how much money u won.
$9 for 39.5+ and 15's for 60+ - I know I am laughing ....... :gotigers
l actually lost cause l had my money on the Eagles so that good enough answer to why l'm not bragging :shh
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Yep Eagles are bad, but if you so called experts new as much as you say you do, how come your not bragging how much money u won.
$9 for 39.5+ and 15's for 60+ - I know I am laughing ....... :gotigers
l actually lost cause l had my money on the Eagles so that good enough answer to why l'm not bragging :shh
:rollin
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Smokey Richmond are not 77 points or 11 goals 2nd quarter better side than the Toxin Tankers considering we were missing Thursfield, Richo, King. There was nothing wrong with any of them Toxic Tanking Eagle players. Darren Glass one of the best fullbacks not at stuff & Big Cox down there :rollin.
If the Eagles were so bad every club above us would be pumping them by 100 points cause we are not that good
What made it even more standout is McMahon 33 possies & 10 of them really bad turnovers or at our players feet or over our players heads :lol
Do you think they have been tanking since R2? We have smashed a number of sides for one quarter this season and will do it more often as our kids grow and learn. Don't underestimate the ability growing in our side. Worsfold might well be tanking but he won't be happy with his side getting weekly floggings like they have all this season and he won't be deliberately letting it happen.
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The Eagles play Freo and Melbourne in the next 5 weeks. They didn't need our help to finish last and get their hands on Rich. In fact Freo play Melbourne this week so if the Dees win the Eagles will be last.
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
Oh dear, where did you crawl out from
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Oh dear, where did you crawl out from
maybe from that gap between your ears.
I have never come across a more negative "supporter" of a club before.
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
No that was round 12 last year ;)
We have improved immensly . When firing we can score quickly and are a very dangerous team, the only problem is that we dont have the miles in our legs to do it for 4 quarters, but that will come. We are quickley developing a top notch midfield ( cotch Lids Axe ) with a solid support crew ( Connors Edwards Collins Tambling Polo Jackson ect ) Our developing talls are coming along nicely ( Thursty Mcguane Shultz Jack Cleve )
The cynics will always find a reason to knock success, thats why they have been turfed out of the club kicking and screaming, and have been whinging like wallets b!tches ever since.
Carn the tiges, success is just around the corner
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Oh dear, where did you crawl out from
maybe from that gap between your ears.
I have never come across a more negative "supporter" of a club before.
hehehehe oh dearr indeed
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
Oh dear, where did you crawl out from
This that all you have in response to someone pointing out you were wrong???
Tell me again how Richmond is a rabble and Wallace can't coach as that post wasn't consistent with your other 462 posts :sleep
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Oh dear, where did you crawl out from
i used you last night when i finished my business.
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Oh dear, where did you crawl out from
i used you last night when i finished my business.
Really, Oh how one week changes things, you all have very short memories, where were you all after the Carlton game , lol
:whistle
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
No that was round 12 last year ;)
We have improved immensly . When firing we can score quickly and are a very dangerous team, the only problem is that we dont have the miles in our legs to do it for 4 quarters, but that will come. We are quickley developing a top notch midfield ( cotch Lids Axe ) with a solid support crew ( Connors Edwards Collins Tambling Polo Jackson ect ) Our developing talls are coming along nicely ( Thursty Mcguane Shultz Jack Cleve )
The cynics will always find a reason to knock success, thats why they have been turfed out of the club kicking and screaming, and have been whinging like wallets b!tches ever since.
Carn the tiges, success is just around the corner
Its a free world Blaisee, if you are satisfied with 8 or 9 wins in a season and finishing out of the 8 once again, good luck to you and your fellow posters on here, as I am not.
I see us being no different to Frawley and Gieschen days where finishing outside the eight is regarded as a pass.
Thats what is wrong with the RFC , excepting inabilty to achieve as a pass.
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
Oh dear, where did you crawl out from
This that all you have in response to someone pointing out you were wrong???
Tell me again how Richmond is a rabble and Wallace can't coach as that post wasn't consistent with your other 462 posts :sleep
Been a rabble for the past 20 years :banghead
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Oh dear, where did you crawl out from
maybe from that gap between your ears.
I have never come across a more negative "supporter" of a club before.
Post of the week Gordon , :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
No that was round 12 last year ;)
We have improved immensly . When firing we can score quickly and are a very dangerous team, the only problem is that we dont have the miles in our legs to do it for 4 quarters, but that will come. We are quickley developing a top notch midfield ( cotch Lids Axe ) with a solid support crew ( Connors Edwards Collins Tambling Polo Jackson ect ) Our developing talls are coming along nicely ( Thursty Mcguane Shultz Jack Cleve )
The cynics will always find a reason to knock success, thats why they have been turfed out of the club kicking and screaming, and have been whinging like wallets b!tches ever since.
Carn the tiges, success is just around the corner
Its a free world Blaisee, if you are satisfied with 8 or 9 wins in a season and finishing out of the 8 once again, good luck to you and your fellow posters on here, as I am not.
I see us being no different to Frawley and Gieschen days where finishing outside the eight is regarded as a pass.
Thats what is wrong with the RFC , excepting inabilty to achieve as a pass.
This quote should be framed, or better still put in the dictionary as the definition of ignorance.
It just so far from the truth that even beginning to explain your ignorance would take a week. And I really dont have that much time to waste :wallywink
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
No that was round 12 last year ;)
We have improved immensly . When firing we can score quickly and are a very dangerous team, the only problem is that we dont have the miles in our legs to do it for 4 quarters, but that will come. We are quickley developing a top notch midfield ( cotch Lids Axe ) with a solid support crew ( Connors Edwards Collins Tambling Polo Jackson ect ) Our developing talls are coming along nicely ( Thursty Mcguane Shultz Jack Cleve )
The cynics will always find a reason to knock success, thats why they have been turfed out of the club kicking and screaming, and have been whinging like wallets b!tches ever since.
Carn the tiges, success is just around the corner
Its a free world Blaisee, if you are satisfied with 8 or 9 wins in a season and finishing out of the 8 once again, good luck to you and your fellow posters on here, as I am not.
I see us being no different to Frawley and Gieschen days where finishing outside the eight is regarded as a pass.
Thats what is wrong with the RFC , excepting inabilty to achieve as a pass.
This quote should be framed, or better still put in the dictionary as the definition of ignorance.
It just so far from the truth that even beginning to explain your ignorance would take a week. And I really dont have that much time to waste :wallywink
i would have thought being unemployed and living in frankston, you would have all the time in the world pal
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
No that was round 12 last year ;)
We have improved immensly . When firing we can score quickly and are a very dangerous team, the only problem is that we dont have the miles in our legs to do it for 4 quarters, but that will come. We are quickley developing a top notch midfield ( cotch Lids Axe ) with a solid support crew ( Connors Edwards Collins Tambling Polo Jackson ect ) Our developing talls are coming along nicely ( Thursty Mcguane Shultz Jack Cleve )
The cynics will always find a reason to knock success, thats why they have been turfed out of the club kicking and screaming, and have been whinging like wallets b!tches ever since.
Carn the tiges, success is just around the corner
Its a free world Blaisee, if you are satisfied with 8 or 9 wins in a season and finishing out of the 8 once again, good luck to you and your fellow posters on here, as I am not.
I see us being no different to Frawley and Gieschen days where finishing outside the eight is regarded as a pass.
Thats what is wrong with the RFC , excepting inabilty to achieve as a pass.
This quote should be framed, or better still put in the dictionary as the definition of ignorance.
It just so far from the truth that even beginning to explain your ignorance would take a week. And I really dont have that much time to waste :wallywink
i would have thought being unemployed and living in frankston, you would have all the time in the world pal
no worries jack ;)
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Daniel, this poster is uneducated, he cant even tell who is Jack and who is Daniel..
Blaisee will be joining Wallet at Centrelink soon, even though Wallet will go the the Centrelink at Eltham and Blaisee to Centrelink Frankston.
Two peas in a pod, lol
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
No that was round 12 last year ;)
We have improved immensly . When firing we can score quickly and are a very dangerous team, the only problem is that we dont have the miles in our legs to do it for 4 quarters, but that will come. We are quickley developing a top notch midfield ( cotch Lids Axe ) with a solid support crew ( Connors Edwards Collins Tambling Polo Jackson ect ) Our developing talls are coming along nicely ( Thursty Mcguane Shultz Jack Cleve )
The cynics will always find a reason to knock success, thats why they have been turfed out of the club kicking and screaming, and have been whinging like wallets b!tches ever since.
Carn the tiges, success is just around the corner
Its a free world Blaisee, if you are satisfied with 8 or 9 wins in a season and finishing out of the 8 once again, good luck to you and your fellow posters on here, as I am not.
I see us being no different to Frawley and Gieschen days where finishing outside the eight is regarded as a pass.
Thats what is wrong with the RFC , excepting inabilty to achieve as a pass.
There's a difference to being realistic and accepting. We know we're nowhere near the top sides that started rebuilding while Spud was decimating our list :banghead. Thanks Spud for a legacy of just 4 draftees from 5 years worth of drafting that played on the weekend ::).
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
No that was round 12 last year ;)
We have improved immensly . When firing we can score quickly and are a very dangerous team, the only problem is that we dont have the miles in our legs to do it for 4 quarters, but that will come. We are quickley developing a top notch midfield ( cotch Lids Axe ) with a solid support crew ( Connors Edwards Collins Tambling Polo Jackson ect ) Our developing talls are coming along nicely ( Thursty Mcguane Shultz Jack Cleve )
The cynics will always find a reason to knock success, thats why they have been turfed out of the club kicking and screaming, and have been whinging like wallets b!tches ever since.
Carn the tiges, success is just around the corner
Its a free world Blaisee, if you are satisfied with 8 or 9 wins in a season and finishing out of the 8 once again, good luck to you and your fellow posters on here, as I am not.
I see us being no different to Frawley and Gieschen days where finishing outside the eight is regarded as a pass.
Thats what is wrong with the RFC , excepting inabilty to achieve as a pass.
There's a difference to being realistic and accepting. We know we're nowhere near the top sides that started rebuilding while Spud was decimating our list :banghead. Thanks Spud for a legacy of just 4 draftees from 5 years worth of drafting that played on the weekend ::).
Knowing both Spud and Wallace, I dont see much difference between them, except that Spud is a better person and not up himself.
Spud had a simple game plan., Terrys is complicated to say the least, thus there is a major problem with players carrying out the game plan.
Neither can coach
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
No that was round 12 last year ;)
We have improved immensly . When firing we can score quickly and are a very dangerous team, the only problem is that we dont have the miles in our legs to do it for 4 quarters, but that will come. We are quickley developing a top notch midfield ( cotch Lids Axe ) with a solid support crew ( Connors Edwards Collins Tambling Polo Jackson ect ) Our developing talls are coming along nicely ( Thursty Mcguane Shultz Jack Cleve )
The cynics will always find a reason to knock success, thats why they have been turfed out of the club kicking and screaming, and have been whinging like wallets b!tches ever since.
Carn the tiges, success is just around the corner
Its a free world Blaisee, if you are satisfied with 8 or 9 wins in a season and finishing out of the 8 once again, good luck to you and your fellow posters on here, as I am not.
I see us being no different to Frawley and Gieschen days where finishing outside the eight is regarded as a pass.
Thats what is wrong with the RFC , excepting inabilty to achieve as a pass.
There's a difference to being realistic and accepting. We know we're nowhere near the top sides that started rebuilding while Spud was decimating our list :banghead. Thanks Spud for a legacy of just 4 draftees from 5 years worth of drafting that played on the weekend ::).
Knowing both Spud and Wallace, I dont see much difference between them, except that Spud is a better person and not up himself.
Spud had a simple game plan., Terrys is complicated to say the least, thus there is a major problem with players carrying out the game plan.
Neither can coach
A coach's coaching finishes the day he walks out the door whereas a coach's recruiting affects the club for years after he leaves. Spud decimated our list so we had to start from scratch after he left. Even if Wallace left tomorrow, a new coach will at least have a talented young core to build and grow around and upon. That's the difference!
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You amaze me, you actually stick up for someone you dont know. ::)
You must be in love with Terry.
I think Terry is an ordinary individual . Why ? worked with him and got to know him, he is full of it, leave it at that.
Ask David Rodan what he thinks of him , Might add he will win the b&f at port this year.
Whats worse MT, you bag the crap out of Spud, little do you know what went on :banghead
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this thread is a classic.
Spud had a simple game plan.
which failed miserably.
Terrys is complicated to say the least, thus there is a major problem with players carrying out the game plan.
Neither can coach
YUP looked really complicated on Sunday, so complicated we broke record after record in the second quarter.
glugg glugg glugg
I think Terry is an ordinary individual . Why ? worked with him and got to know him, he is full of it
The more you carry on about "working" with Terry the more stupid you look. If you were good enough at footy matters you'd still be there but no your just a sour cynical internet fly on the wall now.
glugg glugg glugg
Ask David Rodan what he thinks of him , Might add he will win the b&f at port this year.
He is still a crap kick and he now plays in a crap team who rely on geriatrics to get them over the line and will finish lower than us on the ladder. Great move that one :whistle
glugg glugg glugg
like i said, this thread is a classic.
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You amaze me, you actually stick up for someone you dont know. ::)
You must be in love with Terry.
I think Terry is an ordinary individual . Why ? worked with him and got to know him, he is full of it, leave it at that.
Ask David Rodan what he thinks of him , Might add he will win the b&f at port this year.
Whats worse MT, you bag the crap out of Spud, little do you know what went on :banghead
Yep how dare I bag someone who gets on the radio and collectively mocks his former players and who took 4 years after he left to finally admit any responsibility for the terrible state of our list. Why don't you ask Knighter what he thinks of Frawley. In any case Spud's record speaks for itself and not just at Richmond. The buck stopped with him as senior coach and he decimated our list. Might also add our membership fell 5,000 under his reign. So much for his "simple" lol game plan attracting Tiger fans. It's bad enough still hearing him hypocritically give lectures on list management now :rollin.
I and others have said numerous times now we are supporting the current process and direction of the club. Wallace will face his judgement day in 14 months time.
ps. You've used 'Rodan will win Port's B&F' 2 weeks ago. He's had an inconsistent year (been good the last 3 weeks apart from kicking a 'goal' for the dogs lol) and isn't even Port's top 10 possession getters. Averaging 17 touches and 1 goal per game is hardly B&F material. Kane Cornes will win their B&F.
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Didn't Jackstar predict the end of Wallace by Round 12 this year?
Another "lucky" win against Essendon this weekend followed by a win against a clearly over performing Brisbane the following weekend and two wins against tanking sides Freo and Melbourne to finish with 10 wins would pretty much ensure Wallace sees out his 5th year and put him in a position to get an extension - especially if he can jag a few more lucky wins next year.
No that was round 12 last year ;)
We have improved immensly . When firing we can score quickly and are a very dangerous team, the only problem is that we dont have the miles in our legs to do it for 4 quarters, but that will come. We are quickley developing a top notch midfield ( cotch Lids Axe ) with a solid support crew ( Connors Edwards Collins Tambling Polo Jackson ect ) Our developing talls are coming along nicely ( Thursty Mcguane Shultz Jack Cleve )
The cynics will always find a reason to knock success, thats why they have been turfed out of the club kicking and screaming, and have been whinging like wallets b!tches ever since.
Carn the tiges, success is just around the corner
Its a free world Blaisee, if you are satisfied with 8 or 9 wins in a season and finishing out of the 8 once again, good luck to you and your fellow posters on here, as I am not.
I see us being no different to Frawley and Gieschen days where finishing outside the eight is regarded as a pass.
Thats what is wrong with the RFC , excepting inabilty to achieve as a pass.
There's a difference to being realistic and accepting. We know we're nowhere near the top sides that started rebuilding while Spud was decimating our list :banghead. Thanks Spud for a legacy of just 4 draftees from 5 years worth of drafting that played on the weekend ::).
and Wallet didnot add to that decimated list, then realized after 3 years its time to rebuild, which put us behind other clubs again.
l so badly want to not remember them players he brought in KINGSLEY, GRAHAM,
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FFS this board is like groundhog day! :banghead :banghead :banghead
So which one of you effwits is going to the Gold Members Cocktail Party? :cheers
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Daniel, this poster is uneducated, he cant even tell who is Jack and who is Daniel..
Blaisee will be joining Wallet at Centrelink soon, even though Wallet will go the the Centrelink at Eltham and Blaisee to Centrelink Frankston.
Two peas in a pod, lol
I know who jack and daniel are, I know they are the same person ;)
And as for centrelink, mate you are that stupid its entertaining.
If ignorance is bliss, you must be in heaven.
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You must be in love with Terry.
I think Terry is an ordinary individual
I don't love Terry ;D
But where in the coaches handbook that says you have to be a great bloke?
As long as they get the job done and he's doing it :thumbsup
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FFS this board is like groundhog day! :banghead :banghead :banghead
So which one of you effwits is going to the Gold Members Cocktail Party? :cheers
Not possible to attend :whistle
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this thread is a classic.
Spud had a simple game plan.
which failed miserably.
Terrys is complicated to say the least, thus there is a major problem with players carrying out the game plan.
Neither can coach
YUP looked really complicated on Sunday, so complicated we broke record after record in the second quarter.
YEP< this thread a classic. Spud cant coach ?? who took us to the finals in 2001, ???? NOBODY!
YEP 11 goals against what ? witches hats???
BLX your a champion an i am an imbecile responding to you
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and Wallet didnot add to that decimated list, then realized after 3 years its time to rebuild, which put us behind other clubs again.
l so badly want to not remember them players he brought in KINGSLEY, GRAHAM,
2004 - Deledio, Tambling, Meyer, Pattison, Polo, McGuane, Limbach, M. Graham, Knobel, Thursfield - 8 kids, 2 established
2005 - Oakley-Nicholls, Hughes, Casserley, White, A. Graham, Humm, Howat - 6 kids, 1 established
2006 - Reiwoldt, Edwards, Connors, Collins, Kingsley, Clingan, King - 6 kids, 1 established
2007 - Morton, Cotchin, Rance, Putt, Gourdis, Collard, Silvester, Cartledge - 7 kids, 1 established
Tell me again how Wallace started his rebuild after 3 years in the job?
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and Wallet didnot add to that decimated list, then realized after 3 years its time to rebuild, which put us behind other clubs again.
l so badly want to not remember them players he brought in KINGSLEY, GRAHAM,
2004 - Deledio, Tambling, Meyer, Pattison, Polo, McGuane, Limbach, M. Graham, Knobel, Thursfield - 8 kids, 2 established
2005 - Oakley-Nicholls, Hughes, Casserley, White, A. Graham, Humm, Howat - 6 kids, 1 established
2006 - Reiwoldt, Edwards, Connors, Collins, Kingsley, Clingan, King - 6 kids, 1 established
2007 - Morton, Cotchin, Rance, Putt, Gourdis, Collard, Silvester, Cartledge - 7 kids, 1 established
Tell me again how Wallace started his rebuild after 3 years in the job?
Even more impressive is the list of players that have gone :thumbsup
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l dont understand why people keep blaming danny frawley for all our problems.
he got us into the finals in his second year,now this is when the problems started .
alot of players didnt continue there form from that year,and casey as president didnt get the right people in to help .
miller has been involved with the at least 6 drafts at richmond ,so if our recruiting isnt the best miller should be accountable ,l have to say that wallet in my opinion isnt a good coach of youngsters .
lets face the facts whoever we got to coach after danny was going to recruit youngsters,that is the boards policy .
so we have to weight up how has wallet coached our side in the past 4 years ,to me hes been very average .
hes been out coached on numerous occasions ,has made some terrible match ups ,and l dont think he has the ability to get the team to be consistent and united against better teams .
he is over paid and overrated as a coach ,l remember an article about miller with him saying that he sits in the coaching box and gives wallet advise on coaching ,cmon fair dinkum theres alot of problems going on that a highly paid coach shouldnt be having ,for the better of the richmond fc we need to change our coach .
craig mcrae is a coach in waiting ,and sheeds is sitting there just waiting to become head assistant .
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and Wallet didnot add to that decimated list, then realized after 3 years its time to rebuild, which put us behind other clubs again.
l so badly want to not remember them players he brought in KINGSLEY, GRAHAM,
2004 - Deledio, Tambling, Meyer, Pattison, Polo, McGuane, Limbach, M. Graham, Knobel, Thursfield - 8 kids, 2 established
2005 - Oakley-Nicholls, Hughes, Casserley, White, A. Graham, Humm, Howat - 6 kids, 1 established
2006 - Reiwoldt, Edwards, Connors, Collins, Kingsley, Clingan, King - 6 kids, 1 established
2007 - Morton, Cotchin, Rance, Putt, Gourdis, Collard, Silvester, Cartledge - 7 kids, 1 established
Tell me again how Wallace started his rebuild after 3 years in the job?
Smokey we all been through this before & Wallet even admitted it himself, there are threads with it already been through
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and Wallet didnot add to that decimated list, then realized after 3 years its time to rebuild, which put us behind other clubs again.
l so badly want to not remember them players he brought in KINGSLEY, GRAHAM,
2004 - Deledio, Tambling, Meyer, Pattison, Polo, McGuane, Limbach, M. Graham, Knobel, Thursfield - 8 kids, 2 established
2005 - Oakley-Nicholls, Hughes, Casserley, White, A. Graham, Humm, Howat - 6 kids, 1 established
2006 - Reiwoldt, Edwards, Connors, Collins, Kingsley, Clingan, King - 6 kids, 1 established
2007 - Morton, Cotchin, Rance, Putt, Gourdis, Collard, Silvester, Cartledge - 7 kids, 1 established
Tell me again how Wallace started his rebuild after 3 years in the job?
Smokey we all been through this before & Wallet even admitted it himself, there are threads with it already been through
thats ok monky, you keep worrying about Kingsley and Graham and we'll worry about the 14 kids that were drefted in those same years and are now starting to propel this club forward.
oh and while im at it, you say you dread KINGSLEY and GRAHAM yet your the #1 supporter for another old hack BOWDEN???
go figure???
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YEP< this thread a classic. Spud cant coach ?? who took us to the finals in 2001, ???? NOBODY!
YEP 11 goals against what ? witches hats???
BLX your a champion an i am an imbecile responding to you
in other words your clammering for a hold on anything you can salvage.
as a long time supporter ive suffered multiple wounds over the last 25 years along with many others but now things are slowly starting to turn so im not gonna let some little squirt come along and denegrate the fruits that are finally starting to show here and there.
I've seen us play some of the most amazing football i've seen us play in a hell of a long time, even it only was for a quarter or a half, what ever, it was still a glimpse into what we might come to expect from the Tiges in the near future as these kids grow.
We should be like you and be forever jaded and cynical because of our failiures but that "Oh look at me, my names Jackstar and im hurting really bad because we are crap, look at me! look at me!" act doesnt cut it.
HTFU!
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thats ok monky, you keep worrying about Kingsley and Graham and we'll worry about the 14 kids that were drefted in those same years and are now starting to propel this club forward.
oh and while im at it, you say you dread KINGSLEY and GRAHAM yet your the #1 supporter for another old hack BOWDEN???
go figure???
Blx dont know why you waste your time you know effall about football
Bet you were kissing Joel Bowdens ass when he won us the game against Port Adelaide cause if he was not there on time Motlop would have creamed that mark & maybe just maybe taken that game away from us.
Joel had 39 touches well thats not bad for a effin old hack who might l say is playing senior football at the RFC for past 12 years
Kingsley 3 clubs & 3 RFC games & no wins sits in the stands at GFC & Graham 2 clubs & 20 RFC games who cares
Joel Bowden 12 years straight at RFC can still pick up 39 possies in a game & played 2 big games in a row & is still playing league football & picking up Brownlow votes while your wishing he be dropped :wallywink
stop being a wanker Blx, ;D Bowden will be play 300 league games. :D has played 11 games this year but prior to that has missed only 2 games since 1999 ;D now l would call that a very good record considering the battering his body has taken playing as a undersized KPP so if he was so bad l dont think he would be in our top 22 players dont you think
your a wasted space
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l dont understand why people keep blaming danny frawley for all our problems.
he got us into the finals in his second year,now this is when the problems started .
alot of players didnt continue there form from that year,and casey as president didnt get the right people in to help .
Spud isn't the only one to blame. Beck was our recruiter and he was there under Geisch as well which was just a woeful period of recruiting as under Spud. However we have so few players left from the 5 drafts under Spud whereas the Cats, Hawks, Dogs and Pies current sides are made up mostly from the kids they got from these same 5 drafts.
Geisch:
1997: - (Ottens at Geelong)
1998: - (Tivs elevated rookie)
Spud:
1999: - (Fiora at St Kilda)
2000: Petts, Cogs, Newy, Hyde
2001: - (Rodan at Port)
2002: Schulz (Sugar was a trade, Moore rookie)
2003: Jackson, Tuck, Raines (Browny was a trade)
7 drafts worth (56 recruits in total excluding rookies) and all we got out of them were 12 players (15 if you include Ottens, Fiora and D-Rod) and out of those 12 you could cut that number in half by 2009 after ths year's delistings/trades. 2001 was the superdraft and only Rodan is still running around from our picks. There are 4 National drafts which we scored blank :help and if Schulz is delisted it'll become 5 total misses in 7 consecutive National drafts that should now our senior core. Mindboggling how people can then turnaround, throw their hands up in the air and gasp how come it's taking so long to rebuild and why do you still bag Frawley, Geisch and Beck. Gee I wonder why ::).
The problem then was we traded away our best picks for duds then recruited just a few kids often later in the draft and then hoped and prayed they would all become stars. Of course that's fantasy thinking. Even the best clubs have only a 50% hit rate at best (3 kids make it per year on average). What you need to do instead is bring through a lot of kids and then syphon through them to form your core group for the years to come. That's what we are doing now. Then you build upon that base.
Spud made the finals in 2001 as he still had the core group from 95 - Richo, both Gales, Knighter, Cambo, Brodders, Rogers, Daffy plus earlier recruits picked up 4-5 years before he became coach - Gas, Kellaway, Torney, Bowden, Chaffey and Bourke :P and one off years from Otto, Tivs, Hilton, King and of course Leon Cameron via a trade. That '95 core group was nearing the end and wasn't replaced with a whole heap of quality youth hence the massive hole that developed in the mid-age bracket in our list.
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YEP< this thread a classic. Spud cant coach ?? who took us to the finals in 2001, ???? NOBODY!
YEP 11 goals against what ? witches hats???
BLX your a champion an i am an imbecile responding to you
in other words your clammering for a hold on anything you can salvage.
as a long time supporter ive suffered multiple wounds over the last 25 years along with many others but now things are slowly starting to turn so im not gonna let some little squirt come along and denegrate the fruits that are finally starting to show here and there.
I've seen us play some of the most amazing football i've seen us play in a hell of a long time, even it only was for a quarter or a half, what ever, it was still a glimpse into what we might come to expect from the Tiges in the near future as these kids grow.
We should be like you and be forever jaded and cynical because of our failiures but that "Oh look at me, my names Jackstar and im hurting really bad because we are crap, look at me! look at me!" act doesnt cut it.
HTFU!
D/Head :whistle
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thats ok monky, you keep worrying about Kingsley and Graham and we'll worry about the 14 kids that were drefted in those same years and are now starting to propel this club forward.
oh and while im at it, you say you dread KINGSLEY and GRAHAM yet your the #1 supporter for another old hack BOWDEN???
go figure???
Blx dont know why you waste your time you know effall about football
Bet you were kissing Joel Bowdens ass when he won us the game against Port Adelaide cause if he was not there on time Motlop would have creamed that mark & maybe just maybe taken that game away from us.
Joel had 39 touches well thats not bad for a effin old hack who might l say is playing senior football at the RFC for past 12 years
Kingsley 3 clubs & 3 RFC games & no wins sits in the stands at GFC & Graham 2 clubs & 20 RFC games who cares
Joel Bowden 12 years straight at RFC can still pick up 39 possies in a game & played 2 big games in a row & is still playing league football & picking up Brownlow votes while your wishing he be dropped :wallywink
stop being a wanker Blx, ;D Bowden will be play 300 league games. :D has played 11 games this year but prior to that has missed only 2 games since 1999 ;D now l would call that a very good record considering the battering his body has taken playing as a undersized KPP so if he was so bad l dont think he would be in our top 22 players dont you think
your a wasted space
He didnt win the Port Adelaide game for us you deluded fool and he got more than 20 EASY ASS possessions that day playing LMID so you dine out on that 39 possession game as long as you want.
Look i've always admired Bowden and think he's been a great player for this club. Have spoken to him a few times and he seems a genuine guy but i just dont think he's the same player he was 5-10 years ago and there are now players ready to come in and fill the void and even more importantly, NEED to come in and fill the void.
You must be a relative or something because if you cant see that he is now :
1. Extremely slow
2. Always takes the easiest option to dispose to meaning he never "hurts" the opposition.
your a deadset tool but go ahead, pull out the scrapbook one more time and tell us all about Joel Bowdens achievments :sleep
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YEP< this thread a classic. Spud cant coach ?? who took us to the finals in 2001, ???? NOBODY!
YEP 11 goals against what ? witches hats???
BLX your a champion an i am an imbecile responding to you
in other words your clammering for a hold on anything you can salvage.
as a long time supporter ive suffered multiple wounds over the last 25 years along with many others but now things are slowly starting to turn so im not gonna let some little squirt come along and denegrate the fruits that are finally starting to show here and there.
I've seen us play some of the most amazing football i've seen us play in a hell of a long time, even it only was for a quarter or a half, what ever, it was still a glimpse into what we might come to expect from the Tiges in the near future as these kids grow.
We should be like you and be forever jaded and cynical because of our failiures but that "Oh look at me, my names Jackstar and im hurting really bad because we are crap, look at me! look at me!" act doesnt cut it.
HTFU!
D/Head :whistle
ouch that really hurt me, oh look at me! look at me! im hurt! cry cry sook sook boo hoo :'( :'( :'(
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YEP< this thread a classic. Spud cant coach ?? who took us to the finals in 2001, ???? NOBODY!
YEP 11 goals against what ? witches hats???
BLX your a champion an i am an imbecile responding to you
in other words your clammering for a hold on anything you can salvage.
as a long time supporter ive suffered multiple wounds over the last 25 years along with many others but now things are slowly starting to turn so im not gonna let some little squirt come along and denegrate the fruits that are finally starting to show here and there.
I've seen us play some of the most amazing football i've seen us play in a hell of a long time, even it only was for a quarter or a half, what ever, it was still a glimpse into what we might come to expect from the Tiges in the near future as these kids grow.
We should be like you and be forever jaded and cynical because of our failiures but that "Oh look at me, my names Jackstar and im hurting really bad because we are crap, look at me! look at me!" act doesnt cut it.
HTFU!
D/Head :whistle
ouch that really hurt me, oh look at me! look at me! im hurt! cry cry sook sook boo hoo :'( :'( :'(
D/Head. actually not in the mood to put up with F.wits ::)
Go and play elsewhere
When did Joel win the b& F. ? 2004 and 2005
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thats ok monky, you keep worrying about Kingsley and Graham and we'll worry about the 14 kids that were drefted in those same years and are now starting to propel this club forward.
oh and while im at it, you say you dread KINGSLEY and GRAHAM yet your the #1 supporter for another old hack BOWDEN???
go figure???
Blx dont know why you waste your time you know effall about football
Bet you were kissing Joel Bowdens ass when he won us the game against Port Adelaide cause if he was not there on time Motlop would have creamed that mark & maybe just maybe taken that game away from us.
Joel had 39 touches well thats not bad for a effin old hack who might l say is playing senior football at the RFC for past 12 years
Kingsley 3 clubs & 3 RFC games & no wins sits in the stands at GFC & Graham 2 clubs & 20 RFC games who cares
Joel Bowden 12 years straight at RFC can still pick up 39 possies in a game & played 2 big games in a row & is still playing league football & picking up Brownlow votes while your wishing he be dropped :wallywink
stop being a wanker Blx, ;D Bowden will be play 300 league games. :D has played 11 games this year but prior to that has missed only 2 games since 1999 ;D now l would call that a very good record considering the battering his body has taken playing as a undersized KPP so if he was so bad l dont think he would be in our top 22 players dont you think
your a wasted space
He didnt win the Port Adelaide game for us you deluded fool and he got more than 20 EASY ASS possessions that day playing LMID so you dine out on that 39 possession game as long as you want.
Look i've always admired Bowden and think he's been a great player for this club. Have spoken to him a few times and he seems a genuine guy but i just dont think he's the same player he was 5-10 years ago and there are now players ready to come in and fill the void and even more importantly, NEED to come in and fill the void.
You must be a relative or something because if you cant see that he is now :
1. Extremely slow
2. Always takes the easiest option to dispose to meaning he never "hurts" the opposition.
your a deadset tool but go ahead, pull out the scrapbook one more time and tell us all about Joel Bowdens achievments :sleep
Joel Bowden Best and Fairest 2004 and 2005 by memory.
Hey BLX , you are a tool
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Look i've always admired Bowden and think he's been a great player for this club. Have spoken to him a few times and he seems a genuine guy but i just dont think he's the same player he was 5-10 years ago and there are now players ready to come in and fill the void and even more importantly, NEED to come in and fill the void.
You must be a relative or something because if you cant see that he is now :
1. Extremely slow
2. Always takes the easiest option to dispose to meaning he never "hurts" the opposition.
your a deadset tool but go ahead, pull out the scrapbook one more time and tell us all about Joel Bowdens achievments :sleep
you know what after them stupid statements ;D l really dont think you know who Joel Bowden is :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
you really are the OER tool of the Month & l done answering any of your posts, Watched the replay, infact Joel played a pretty good game hitting up targets & punching the ball in defence, but you posted his not as good well he was in the top 22 Australian players twice within the last 5 years you stuffing blabbering idiot :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Joel Bowden Best and Fairest 2004 and 2005 by memory.
Hey BLX , you are a tool
Hey jack you beat me too it, this blx really is a tard
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Debate, discuss, agree and disagree between yourselves all you want but cut out adding the childish namecalling ::). It's got out of hand! :banghead
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l dont understand why people keep blaming danny frawley for all our problems.
he got us into the finals in his second year,now this is when the problems started .
alot of players didnt continue there form from that year,and casey as president didnt get the right people in to help .
Spud isn't the only one to blame. Beck was our recruiter and he was there under Geisch as well which was just a woeful period of recruiting as under Spud. However we have so few players left from the 5 drafts under Spud whereas the Cats, Hawks, Dogs and Pies current sides are made up mostly from the kids they got from these same 5 drafts.
Geisch:
1997 - (Ottens at Geelong)
1998: - (Tivs elevated rookie)
Spud:
1999: - (Fiora at St Kilda)
2000: Petts, Cogs, Newy, Hyde
2001: - (Rodan at Port)
2002: Schulz (Sugar was a trade, Moore rookie)
2003: Jackson, Tuck, Raines (Browny was a trade)
7 drafts worth (56 recruits in total excluding rookies) and all we got out of them were 12 players (15 if you include Ottens, Fiora and D-Rod) and out of those 12 you could cut that number in half by 2009 after ths year's delistings/trades. 2001 was the superdraft and only Rodan is still running around from our picks. There are 4 National drafts which we scored blank :help and if Schulz is delisted it'll become 5 total misses in 7 consecutive National drafts that should now our senior core. Mindboggling how people can then turnaround, throw their hands up in the air and gasp how come it's taking so long to rebuild and why do you still bag Frawley, Geisch and Beck. Gee I wonder why ::).
The problem then was we traded away our best picks for duds then recruited just a few kids often later in the draft and then hoped and prayed they would all become stars. Of course that's fantasy thinking. Even the best clubs have only a 50% hit rate at best (3 kids make it per year on average). What you need to do instead is bring through a lot of kids and then syphon through them to form your core group for the years to come. That's what we are doing now. Then you build upon that base.
Spud made the finals in 2001 as he still had the core group from 95 - Richo, both Gales, Knighter, Cambo, Brodders, Rogers, Daffy plus earlier recruits picked up 4-5 years before he became coach - Gas, Kellaway, Torney, Bowden, Chaffey and Bourke :P and one off years from Otto, Tivs, Hilton, King and of course Leon Cameron via a trade. That '95 core group was nearing the end and wasn't replaced with a whole heap of quality youth hence the massive hole that developed in the mid-age bracket in our list.
l agree with alot of what you wrote.
but hindsight is a fantastic thing,after we made the finals under danny it was widely acknowledged we needed a good midfielder to go the next step.
so we ended up getting johnson .
but it all went pear shape caused from inexperience and lack of patience .
once danny tasted finals he couldnt handle being out of them and recruited patch up players .
some of them where stupid picks,the carlton players who couldnt get a game with the bottom side :help
theres always a chance you can get a recycled player and he will turn it all around,but we took too many .
alot of people say the hawks are only wear they are because of buddy and roughead,well we could of had those 2.
and in the last 4 years we have been overtaken by a few clubs ,people shouldnt compare us to geelong .
because the cats youngsters where quality ,we only have a few that look likely to be long term .
in another few years we will be saying why did we recruit so and so.
wallace and miller have been recruiting youngsters to suite wallets game plan .
thats putting our future again in 1 persons hands .
l think the club are starting to shy away from this ,and will start getting stronger players and hopefully more aggressive types .
lm sure if we delist or trade any youngsters they will improve under another coach .
wallace in his final years at the dogs couldnt coach youngsters ,his results are proof of that .
we need someone who can not only take us to finals but the premiership ,wallace may make the finals with us ,but he will never win a premiership with us or any club for that matter.
he doesnt have what it takes.
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mightytigers - what a great post you put together regarding our recruiting in the past. It really put things into context for me and coupled with smokey's recent recruiting post explains very clearly why we are where we are at as a club and why we are now starting to show some promise.
I think it is very clear that we are on the brink of some long awaited success at Tigerland and it is our recent recruits that will take us there.
If I was to create a current team out of your recruitment list from 2004 onwards Smokey it would look something like this -
Rance Thursfield King
McGuane Gourdis Oakley-Nichollas
Cotchin Putt Deledio
White Polo Connors
Tambling Riewoldt White
Edwards Hughes Morton
Interchange - Collins, Pattison/Graham, Meyer, Collard.
If you throw in some addition players such as Schulz and Moore into the backline (2002 draft), Raines and McMahon that looks like a strong, promising unit to me. Add more new recruits over the next few years and we have the makings of a powerful team IMHO. :)
Stripes
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Joel Bowden Best and Fairest 2004 and 2005 by memory.
Hey BLX , you are a tool
Hey jack you beat me too it, this blx really is a tard
like i said keep pulling out the scrapbook boys cause thats all youve got left to cling on to :sleep
Would love to get another genuine mid into that team stripes.
I still have hopes for Casserly and Meyer especially after the faith the football department rightfully displayed with Moore.
To us it seemed like a gamble with Moore but i do recall that they always had faith that he would come good and just needed a lucky break with the injury gods.
Same for Meyer and Cass i feel.
Meyer is a classy player and his form in the burgs has been superb. The week before (against Pox Hill) he was in the best and was actually named BOG last week against Port.
He has shown an agressiveness in his game over the last month and is relaly starting to take opposition players on.
His disposal by foot is a-grade so theres hope there for Meyer to geta few games before the end of the year.
Cass is a worry but he hasnt had a free run of injuries. I think he will be given another year.
One of Hartlett/Zielbell/Robinson for frist pick and then a tall kpp next with a ruckman further down the track.
I really want a Genuine Mid for this draft.
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Meyer classy ::) You not getting mixed up with Coles Myer are you.
He is another player who wont make it, JON and Danny should be shown the door at years end.
You must go to different Coburg games actually, Sure you dont go and watch West Coburg in the EDFL :lol
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like i said keep pulling out the scrapbook boys cause thats all youve got left to cling on to :sleep
dont worry l got lots of scrapbooks to cling too with all my champions tigers in it & all the good premiership memories
Joel is still playing in the senior side, setting up goals & getting back into defence punching the ball away from the forwards, getting 24 touches in a game that his teammates didnot rely on him & all stood up & won the game together, as l said Joel will be around for another 3-4 years & will play 300+ games like it or not
your the one who is looking stupid with your comments his not the same player he was 5 to 10 years ago :rollin his just turned 30
as l stated before l dont think you know who Joel Bowden cause your obviously not watching him
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Meyer classy ::) You not getting mixed up with Coles Myer are you.
He is another player who wont make it, JON and Danny should be shown the door at years end.
You must go to different Coburg games actually, Sure you dont go and watch West Coburg in the EDFL :lol
won BOG last week. Coach was impressed with him, especially with his great ball use.
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your the one who is looking stupid with your comments his not the same player he was 5 to 10 years ago :rollin his just turned 30
as l stated before l dont think you know who Joel Bowden cause your obviously not watching him
thats funny i distinctly remember going to see him out at waverley over ten years ago at a preseason praccy match ;)
stood next to him in the huddle and was impressed by his size for a midfielder (as he was touted then).
didnt live up to that promise either.
anyway as i said many times i dont loath him at all, i just think his end is near.
would be a great mentor for the kids but as a player i think its time he made way to developing juniors.
keep bangin his drum all you like, yes he probobly will play 300 who knows? i hope he does for your sake but lets move on.
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Meyer classy ::) You not getting mixed up with Coles Myer are you.
He is another player who wont make it, JON and Danny should be shown the door at years end.
You must go to different Coburg games actually, Sure you dont go and watch West Coburg in the EDFL :lol
won BOG last week. Coach was impressed with him, especially with his great ball use.
You see that the problem with th RFC.
I watched the entire game and he was now where near BOG.
Wouldnt care what the coach thought, as he has little idea going on last weeks pathetic effort.
If we keep the Danny Meyers of the world on our list, we are going now where, next you will try and tell me that JON will make it as well.
Where is Colllard by the way ??????????
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Meyer classy ::) You not getting mixed up with Coles Myer are you.
He is another player who wont make it, JON and Danny should be shown the door at years end.
You must go to different Coburg games actually, Sure you dont go and watch West Coburg in the EDFL :lol
won BOG last week. Coach was impressed with him, especially with his great ball use.
You see that the problem with th RFC.
I watched the entire game and he was now where near BOG.
Wouldnt care what the coach thought, as he has little idea going on last weeks pathetic effort.
If we keep the Danny Meyers of the world on our list, we are going now where, next you will try and tell me that JON will make it as well.
Where is Colllard by the way ??????????
It still makes me laugh Jack when some on here, still hold hope that JON is going to make the grade.
Nothing against the poor bloke because he is probably a good guy, but on the field he is nothing more than a poor man's chris egan.
They both are for the dingley tip and JON should get shown the door asap for the sake of our club going forward..
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Frankston tip, which just happens to be close to you know where ????? Centrelink Frankston :lol
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Frankston tip, which just happens to be close to you know where ????? Centrelink Frankston :lol
yep even better franga!!! blaisee say hi to JON and Chris Egan for me wont you pal..
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your the one who is looking stupid with your comments his not the same player he was 5 to 10 years ago :rollin his just turned 30
as l stated before l dont think you know who Joel Bowden cause your obviously not watching him
thats funny i distinctly remember going to see him out at waverley over ten years ago at a preseason praccy match ;)
stood next to him in the huddle and was impressed by his size for a midfielder (as he was touted then).
didnt live up to that promise either.
anyway as i said many times i dont loath him at all, i just think his end is near.
would be a great mentor for the kids but as a player i think its time he made way to developing juniors.
keep bangin his drum all you like, yes he probobly will play 300 who knows? i hope he does for your sake but lets move on.
i'll vouch for that-i was there :thumbsup
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Daniel and Jack, why is it every time one of you posts, the other is temporarily offline, then I go back to the main page, the other replies, and the first one is offline :shh :shh :shh
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can assure you we are two different people. We are going to have drinks at the Hilton on saturday at 12.00. Come if you want, dont let the $8.00 Crownies turn you away. MJS is bringing his wallet, lol
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Just shows Terry's commitment to the club, dragging himself out of hospital to go to the club to do what he has to do.
What a champ ;D
Waddya reckon, Jack ? :rollin
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can assure you we are two different people. We are going to have drinks at the Hilton on saturday at 12.00. Come if you want, dont let the $8.00 Crownies turn you away. MJS is bringing his wallet, lol
Not insinuating anything...you guys are like chalk and cheese with opinions that differ far too much to be one person ;) :lol
Work rules out much wekend wise, but I'll be at the cocktail party :cheers
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Just shows Terry's commitment to the club, dragging himself out of hospital to go to the club to do what he has to do.
What a champ ;D
Waddya reckon, Jack ? :rollin
he has the flu ffs.
And if I was getting $600,000 a year, I would work sick everyday.
Terrys commitment, could tell you something , DONT GET ME STARTED
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Just shows Terry's commitment to the club, dragging himself out of hospital to go to the club to do what he has to do.
What a champ ;D
Waddya reckon, Jack ? :rollin
he has the flu ffs.
And if I was getting $600,000 a year, I would work sick everyday.
Terrys commitment, could tell you something , DONT GET ME STARTED
Tell us, Jack, we ain't heard it before :rollin
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Just shows Terry's commitment to the club, dragging himself out of hospital to go to the club to do what he has to do.
What a champ ;D
Waddya reckon, Jack ? :rollin
he has the flu ffs.
And if I was getting $600,000 a year, I would work sick everyday.
Terrys commitment, could tell you something , DONT GET ME STARTED
Whats the point talking imbeciles, good night
Tell us, Jack, we ain't heard it before :rollin
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whats the point in talking to IMBECILES, goodnight MOI
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You see that the problem with th RFC.
I watched the entire game and he was now where near BOG.
Wouldnt care what the coach thought, as he has little idea going on last weeks pathetic effort.
If we keep the Danny Meyers of the world on our list, we are going now where, next you will try and tell me that JON will make it as well.
Where is Colllard by the way ??????????
I thought you knew everything, Collard is injured
Meyer is also coming back from injury so give the bloke a chance
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can assure you we are two different people. We are going to have drinks at the Hilton on saturday at 12.00. Come if you want, dont let the $8.00 Crownies turn you away. MJS is bringing his wallet, lol
I'm on holidays in Queensland (25, sunny and blue skies) or else I would join you.
I'm interested to meet someone so bitter.
:cheers
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I think Meyer will end up being a very good player for the yellow and black. In fact I believe, baring injury, he will play most of the games in the seniors next year after carving out a place late this year and early next year.
I agree with you on JON though Jack, he just doesn't seem to have the goods. Tiv, Petts, Hyde, Cass and even Cogs (I hope not) will go before Meyer though.
Stripes
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your the one who is looking stupid with your comments his not the same player he was 5 to 10 years ago :rollin his just turned 30
as l stated before l dont think you know who Joel Bowden cause your obviously not watching him
thats funny i distinctly remember going to see him out at waverley over ten years ago at a preseason praccy match ;)
stood next to him in the huddle and was impressed by his size for a midfielder (as he was touted then).
didnt live up to that promise either.
anyway as i said many times i dont loath him at all, i just think his end is near.
would be a great mentor for the kids but as a player i think its time he made way to developing juniors.
keep bangin his drum all you like, yes he probobly will play 300 who knows? i hope he does for your sake but lets move on.
funny that aint if he was meant to be a midfielder but dinot live up to that promise :lol so whos fault is that. surely not Joels but the coaches he has had because they use him to patch up the team of no backmen
Richmond were continuely losing backmen & refused to replace them over many years, this pushing a top footballer who can play anywhere on the ground except ruck is pushed back into the defence to cover over all them years, l would say Joel Bowden has done a better job than he was asked & won 2 All-Australians & 2 Jack Dyers medals while doing it, the ones you seem to have forgot about which dates back only 3-4 years, Won All-Australian for being the best player in the AFL in that posistion :rollin & you telling me his not still doing the job l think your a cracker & know nothing
Who cares if you stoood next to him at Waverley, does that make you all warm & fuzzy, my wife stands next to him all the time it makes her all warm & fuzzy also
grow up cracker you seen him at Waverley over 10 year ago so that means he was either in his 1st or 2nd season haha give it a break, so you have the same thoughts on Deledio, Tambling, Cotchin then :rollin
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the team has played some cracking quarters this year, pity it doesnt hold for the full game but at least its a glimpse of the possibilities.
Its these little glimpses that tantalize us and wonder if we can string a full game together then look out.
Our ball movement on Sunday was the best i've seen it for a hell of a long time. yes WCE were crap but you still cant argue that they had 13 premiership players on the ground and you can only play whats in front of you.
theres no doubting that we've definately improved since previous wallace years soat this point in time terry looks set to grab another contract. i doubt very much it'll a 5 year one though.
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l dont understand why people keep blaming danny frawley for all our problems.
he got us into the finals in his second year,now this is when the problems started .
alot of players didnt continue there form from that year,and casey as president didnt get the right people in to help .
Spud isn't the only one to blame. Beck was our recruiter and he was there under Geisch as well which was just a woeful period of recruiting as under Spud. However we have so few players left from the 5 drafts under Spud whereas the Cats, Hawks, Dogs and Pies current sides are made up mostly from the kids they got from these same 5 drafts.
Geisch:
1997 - (Ottens at Geelong)
1998: - (Tivs elevated rookie)
Spud:
1999: - (Fiora at St Kilda)
2000: Petts, Cogs, Newy, Hyde
2001: - (Rodan at Port)
2002: Schulz (Sugar was a trade, Moore rookie)
2003: Jackson, Tuck, Raines (Browny was a trade)
7 drafts worth (56 recruits in total excluding rookies) and all we got out of them were 12 players (15 if you include Ottens, Fiora and D-Rod) and out of those 12 you could cut that number in half by 2009 after ths year's delistings/trades. 2001 was the superdraft and only Rodan is still running around from our picks. There are 4 National drafts which we scored blank :help and if Schulz is delisted it'll become 5 total misses in 7 consecutive National drafts that should now our senior core. Mindboggling how people can then turnaround, throw their hands up in the air and gasp how come it's taking so long to rebuild and why do you still bag Frawley, Geisch and Beck. Gee I wonder why ::).
The problem then was we traded away our best picks for duds then recruited just a few kids often later in the draft and then hoped and prayed they would all become stars. Of course that's fantasy thinking. Even the best clubs have only a 50% hit rate at best (3 kids make it per year on average). What you need to do instead is bring through a lot of kids and then syphon through them to form your core group for the years to come. That's what we are doing now. Then you build upon that base.
Spud made the finals in 2001 as he still had the core group from 95 - Richo, both Gales, Knighter, Cambo, Brodders, Rogers, Daffy plus earlier recruits picked up 4-5 years before he became coach - Gas, Kellaway, Torney, Bowden, Chaffey and Bourke :P and one off years from Otto, Tivs, Hilton, King and of course Leon Cameron via a trade. That '95 core group was nearing the end and wasn't replaced with a whole heap of quality youth hence the massive hole that developed in the mid-age bracket in our list.
l agree with alot of what you wrote.
but hindsight is a fantastic thing,after we made the finals under danny it was widely acknowledged we needed a good midfielder to go the next step.
so we ended up getting johnson .
but it all went pear shape caused from inexperience and lack of patience .
once danny tasted finals he couldnt handle being out of them and recruited patch up players .
some of them where stupid picks,the carlton players who couldnt get a game with the bottom side :help
theres always a chance you can get a recycled player and he will turn it all around,but we took too many .
alot of people say the hawks are only wear they are because of buddy and roughead,well we could of had those 2.
and in the last 4 years we have been overtaken by a few clubs ,people shouldnt compare us to geelong .
because the cats youngsters where quality ,we only have a few that look likely to be long term .
in another few years we will be saying why did we recruit so and so.
wallace and miller have been recruiting youngsters to suite wallets game plan .
thats putting our future again in 1 persons hands .
l think the club are starting to shy away from this ,and will start getting stronger players and hopefully more aggressive types .
lm sure if we delist or trade any youngsters they will improve under another coach .
wallace in his final years at the dogs couldnt coach youngsters ,his results are proof of that .
we need someone who can not only take us to finals but the premiership ,wallace may make the finals with us ,but he will never win a premiership with us or any club for that matter.
he doesnt have what it takes.
True DRT some of it can be called hindsight but one thing that wasn't hindsight after the 2001 finals was as you said we needed more and better midfielders after Essendon and Brisbane pulverised us in and out of the centre. We also then lost Brodders to retirement which only weakened a already weak midfield. It was bleedingly obvious to everyone except Spud who reckoned we only needed a couple more goalkickers to match the then top sides so he goes and recruits HFFs Hudson and Houlihan. That was only the beginning of one recruiting stuff-up after another as you said of bringing in washed up recycled duds from other clubs (yep a few from Carlton :scream) at the expense of good picks and youngsters. Sure it wasn't all Spud's fault (Beck and then CEO Brayshaw had no idea either) but recruiting wise his 5 years were a disaster zone that the club is still trying to recover from.
Your right in saying in a few years we'll be saying why did we recruit so and so (eg: JON :help) but the difference is we drafted a whole heap of youngsters so we won't be relying on all of them to make it to form our new core group. When you draft a lot of kids it isn't panic stations if 2 or 3 fail to make the grade in the end or the choice in the first place turns out to be a mistake. You're increasing the odds of success but drafting more kids especially with earlier picks. I agree too the club in the last draft or two has gone for more stronger and assertive types.
As for Plough he will be judged in 14 months time. His main terms of reference was to rebuild the list over the given 5 years. That'll be the first thing he is judged upon and then secondly will be the judgement as to whether he is the right guy in the club's eyes to take the group further to success.
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can assure you we are two different people.
lol.
you tosspot.
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Meyer classy ::)
Mate, quite frankly if you don't rate Meyer as 'classy footballer', in terms of his kicking abilty etc. then you really have no idea.
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mightytigers - what a great post you put together regarding our recruiting in the past. It really put things into context for me and coupled with smokey's recent recruiting post explains very clearly why we are where we are at as a club and why we are now starting to show some promise.
I think it is very clear that we are on the brink of some long awaited success at Tigerland and it is our recent recruits that will take us there.
If I was to create a current team out of your recruitment list from 2004 onwards Smokey it would look something like this -
Rance Thursfield King
McGuane Gourdis Oakley-Nichollas
Cotchin Putt Deledio
White Polo Connors
Tambling Riewoldt White
Edwards Hughes Morton
Interchange - Collins, Pattison/Graham, Meyer, Collard.
If you throw in some addition players such as Schulz and Moore into the backline (2002 draft), Raines and McMahon that looks like a strong, promising unit to me. Add more new recruits over the next few years and we have the makings of a powerful team IMHO. :)
Stripes
Yep Stripes it's a pleasant to change at Punt Rd to be able to write down a full 21 and under side even if some of those above as a reality of footy life won't make the grade (only about half of them do even at top clubs - a bonus if more do). There no guarantees of ultimate success for any club but as you say we add more youngsters in the next few drafts especially in areas we still need (ruck, onballers and another KPP or two) and in a few years time we'll have a strong list with depth all maturing and coming through together to genuinely and finally challenge after 3 decades of chasing quick fixes and a ficticious messiah who will cure all our ills both on and off field.
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Meyer classy ::)
Mate, quite frankly if you don't rate Meyer as 'classy footballer', in terms of his kicking abilty etc. then you really have no idea.
trust me he doesnt
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mightytigers - what a great post you put together regarding our recruiting in the past. It really put things into context for me and coupled with smokey's recent recruiting post explains very clearly why we are where we are at as a club and why we are now starting to show some promise.
I think it is very clear that we are on the brink of some long awaited success at Tigerland and it is our recent recruits that will take us there.
If I was to create a current team out of your recruitment list from 2004 onwards Smokey it would look something like this -
Rance Thursfield King
McGuane Gourdis Oakley-Nichollas
Cotchin Putt Deledio
White Polo Connors
Tambling Riewoldt White
Edwards Hughes Morton
Interchange - Collins, Pattison/Graham, Meyer, Collard.
If you throw in some addition players such as Schulz and Moore into the backline (2002 draft), Raines and McMahon that looks like a strong, promising unit to me. Add more new recruits over the next few years and we have the makings of a powerful team IMHO. :)
Stripes
Yep Stripes it's a pleasant to change at Punt Rd to be able to write down a full 21 and under side even if some of those above as a reality of footy life won't make the grade (only about half of them do even at top clubs - a bonus if more do). There no guarantees of ultimate success for any club but as you say we add more youngsters in the next few drafts especially in areas we still need (ruck, onballers and another KPP or two) and in a few years time we'll have a strong list with depth all maturing and coming through together to genuinely and finally challenge after 3 decades of chasing quick fixes and a ficticious messiah who will cure all our ills both on and off field.
ficticious messiah ,lololol l like that.
we have had a few of them .
but l agree recruiting of youngsters is the way to go.
but what l find worrying is some of them struggle to hit targets with there disposals.
they seem unsure alot when they get the ball,and wallet continues with his game plan which l think the players we have cant execute it properly.
and the chip chip game is not the way we should be heading its flawed .
lm not judging wallet on the position of our ladder finish .
lm judging him on how he gets our team to preform week in week out,and how he improves our younger players ,at this stage our more experienced players are holding the fort for us.
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mightytigers - what a great post you put together regarding our recruiting in the past. It really put things into context for me and coupled with smokey's recent recruiting post explains very clearly why we are where we are at as a club and why we are now starting to show some promise.
I think it is very clear that we are on the brink of some long awaited success at Tigerland and it is our recent recruits that will take us there.
If I was to create a current team out of your recruitment list from 2004 onwards Smokey it would look something like this -
Rance Thursfield King
McGuane Gourdis Oakley-Nichollas
Cotchin Putt Deledio
White Polo Connors
Tambling Riewoldt White
Edwards Hughes Morton
Interchange - Collins, Pattison/Graham, Meyer, Collard.
If you throw in some addition players such as Schulz and Moore into the backline (2002 draft), Raines and McMahon that looks like a strong, promising unit to me. Add more new recruits over the next few years and we have the makings of a powerful team IMHO. :)
Stripes
Yep Stripes it's a pleasant to change at Punt Rd to be able to write down a full 21 and under side even if some of those above as a reality of footy life won't make the grade (only about half of them do even at top clubs - a bonus if more do). There no guarantees of ultimate success for any club but as you say we add more youngsters in the next few drafts especially in areas we still need (ruck, onballers and another KPP or two) and in a few years time we'll have a strong list with depth all maturing and coming through together to genuinely and finally challenge after 3 decades of chasing quick fixes and a ficticious messiah who will cure all our ills both on and off field.
ficticious messiah ,lololol l like that.
we have had a few of them .
but l agree recruiting of youngsters is the way to go.
but what l find worrying is some of them struggle to hit targets with there disposals.
they seem unsure alot when they get the ball,and wallet continues with his game plan which l think the players we have cant execute it properly.
and the chip chip game is not the way we should be heading its flawed .
lm not judging wallet on the position of our ladder finish .
lm judging him on how he gets our team to preform week in week out,and how he improves our younger players ,at this stage our more experienced players are holding the fort for us.
Richo, Browny, Simmo, Tuck, Sugar, Newy, Bowden and McMahon are our experienced players in terms of age and AFL games played from this and next weekend. That's less than half the current team. The others like Tivs, Petts and Hyde are on the outer for obvious reasons. We are still filtering and adding to our future core who are 22 and under at this stage to see who is really up to it.
Team vs Essendon. Ten U22s to the Bombers' six on the weekend:
30: Bowden (247), Brown (204), Johnson (214), Simmonds (173)
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26: Tuck (85), Newman (127)
25: McMahon (130)
24: Moore (40)
23: Schulz (62)
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22: Foley (65), Pattison (50), Thursfield (34)
21: Polo (30), Tambling (69), Deledio (78), Hughes (16), McGuane (26), Morton (23), White (32)
19: Edwards (26), Riewoldt (20)
18: Cotchin (9)
31: Michael (232)
30: Lloyd (246), Lucas (255)
29: Peverill (139)
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27: Hille (140), Ramanauskas (128)
25: Lovett-Murray (79), McPhee (141), Welsh (129)
23: Atkinson (3), Laycock (54), Watson (66)
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22: Dyson (58), Nash (35), Slattery (46), Stanton (92)
21: Lonergan (14), Monfries (66)
20: Jetta (17), Neagle (8), Ryder (46)
19: Reimers (16)
I know what your saying in terms of how we play. We need the whole side running, supporting and working hard together for Wallace's gameplan to work. When that doesn't happen (3rd qtr on Saturday) we go short, wide and move the ball slowly and then cough up the footy chronically via lack of options in space, poor disposal and decision making :P. Being too safe is footy suicide. When we're on we can score quickly and kick bags in a quarter as we've shown this year. Likewise when we're off during a game (mostly 3rd quarters this year) we can similarly concede a lot of goals in a row. We still lack the leadership and experience out on the field to break the sleeping spell we seem to go under as a whole team for chunks of a game. Unfortunately young sides are up and down like yo-yos :-\.
As for Wallace yep he'll be judged on list management and gamestyle in 13-14 months time but ladder finish will still have a big say in whether Wallace is still around after 2009. He needs a finals appearance at the very least. If he doesn't he'll be gone.
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Keep the faith, says Wallace
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
Thu 24 July, 2008
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace says his young Tigers are about ready to pounce and fans should keep the faith.
The Tigers have won four of their last five matches and sit just half a game outside the eight, two points behind the free-falling Crows and one match behind the Kangaroos, but with a significantly slightly percentage.
The coach said the disappointment with the Tigers in recent years had been caused by a less than accurate assessment of where they were in their rebuilding process.
"I've thought that the whole time it's been others that have thought we've lost our way," Wallace said. "I just think that people don't understand how your list shapes up and how long things take.
"I've seen us being in a similar position to Carlton over the period of time. I know people have compared us to the Bulldogs and Hawthorn, who were down when we were down, but I thought that they had already started their processes and had young players at the club at that stage.
"I go back to Hawthorn going back four years ago – they had Hodgey (Luke Hodge) running around at 20 years of age, and (Sam) Mitchell running around at 21 years of age – they were 15th because those blokes were just too young at that stage to be able to impact games, but we didn't have that group of guys, so they were able to rebound a little bit quicker than us.
"The Bulldogs were a bit the same – they went down because they had so many of the Giansiracusas and Murphys and Hahns and all those in the side – the Gilbees – all in the side at the one time.
"They weren't able to win games with them, but rebounded quicker because they were a bit more mature.
"We were in a different position – we were similar to Carlton who had a lot of top-end in age players and had to virtually start from ground level zero with your young players, and it takes you four or five years for them to start to come in and develop, and that's just the way it is.
"Our boys were 17 when we gave them the opportunity to come in to the process. Now some of them are 20 and starting to impact."
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