One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 03, 2008, 03:38:55 PM
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With the positive news on Polly and fingers crossed he eventually makes a full recovery, it's probably okay now to talk about what the club does now as far as promoting a rookie with us being one KPP down.
So should one of our rookies be promoted and if so who?
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yes most definately promote Cartledge & throw Patto down the backline to enhance his game ;D
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cartledge now....
we are getting pumped out of the centre and patto and/or simmo needs to get sent back to coburg
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As much as I'd like to see Collard play, we need to try Cartledge.
I agree with Tigermonk, Bowden out, Patto down back and Cartledge in the ruck.
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Yep Cartledge for me to. Patto is stuggling atm so we need to take the pressure off him for a bit so he can focus on developing rather than filling a hole.
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As much as I'd like to see Collard play, we need to try Cartledge.
I agree with Tigermonk, Bowden out, Patto down back and Cartledge in the ruck.
Bowden out you loser
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As much as I'd like to see Collard play, we need to try Cartledge.
I agree with Tigermonk, Bowden out, Patto down back and Cartledge in the ruck.
Bowden out you loser
I Think you've been clearly misquoted Monk. Wayne is obviously Mike Sheehan taking advantage of his usual quota of poetic license. :lol
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We don't need a big slow full back with Moore & Thursfield holding down the fort plus McGuane on his way back
Howat is a known quantity and probably the least accountable player on our list
Collard has plenty of time to make it and can be rookied for another year
Cartledge has 7 rounds to prove himself as he can't be rookied next year. Give the bloke a go and see what he's got.
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As much as I'd like to see Collard play, we need to try Cartledge.
I agree with Tigermonk, Bowden out, Patto down back and Cartledge in the ruck.
Bowden out you loser
I Think you've been clearly misquoted Monk. Wayne is obviously Mike Sheehan taking advantage of his usual quota of poetic license. :lol
lol, yeah I was just stirring you Tigermonk! :lol
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Cartledge has 7 rounds to prove himself as he can't be rookied next year. Give the bloke a go and see what he's got.
Excellent point you make there Infarme.
Cartledge gets my vote.
:cheers
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Carts has had a great year although i think Gus is playing to an equal standard at the moment so he may not be too far away from a Senior performance.
Gus has been starting in the ruck ahead of Carts the last few weeks so it will be interesting to see which way they go.
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We need someone promoted. Simmo is struggling with Knee problems ;)
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We don't need a big slow full back with Moore & Thursfield holding down the fort plus McGuane on his way back
Howat is a known quantity and probably the least accountable player on our list
Collard has plenty of time to make it and can be rookied for another year
Cartledge has 7 rounds to prove himself as he can't be rookied next year. Give the bloke a go and see what he's got.
Bang - On the money.
Particularly because Angus Graham is still an unknown / unproven quantity, and the Warnock trade rumours are very, very strong out West Joondalup way.
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Yep Cartledge for me to. Patto is stuggling atm so we need to take the pressure off him for a bit so he can focus on developing rather than filling a hole.
Ooh did you sat patto is struggling??
according to some on here he is doing a marvellous job and simmo doesn't need to be rested.
some of you on here, MCMLXV and smokey stripes included, need to get your patto goggles off and see the real picture and that is we are getting smashed out of the centre with tapouts going directly to the oppostion.
Thank god for foley, lids and tucky or we would have won only 2 games this year
I believe this is a direct result of patto and simmo's injury.
patto needs to go and fast. Its so obvious he lacks afl class at the minute
what harm would it do to play cartledge and not patto. he does nothing on the field...
rolls around and does not deserve his spot...
notice johnson of the dees last week??? now he has had a poor year but what a run, chase and kick down field.
one of the finest pieces of play ive seen this year and i can bet my house i wont see simmo or patto do that.
we have enough passengers, goodbye patto say hi to schulz and pathetic pettifer
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Ooh did you sat patto is struggling??
according to some on here he is doing a marvellous job and simmo doesn't need to be rested.
some of you on here, MCMLXV and smokey stripes included, need to get your patto goggles off and see the real picture and that is we are getting smashed out of the centre with tapouts going directly to the oppostion.
This just proves what an idiot you are.
Show me where I have even mentioned Patto in my posts.
:wallywink
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Ooh did you sat patto is struggling??
according to some on here he is doing a marvellous job and simmo doesn't need to be rested.
some of you on here, MCMLXV and smokey stripes included, need to get your patto goggles off and see the real picture and that is we are getting smashed out of the centre with tapouts going directly to the oppostion.
This just proves what an idiot you are.
Show me where I have even mentioned Patto in my posts.
:wallywink
in my short time on here, i find i get miss quoted a fair bit. says plenty about the intelligence of many posters on here
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Ooh did you sat patto is struggling??
according to some on here he is doing a marvellous job and simmo doesn't need to be rested.
some of you on here, MCMLXV and smokey stripes included, need to get your patto goggles off and see the real picture and that is we are getting smashed out of the centre with tapouts going directly to the oppostion.
This just proves what an idiot you are.
Show me where I have even mentioned Patto in my posts.
:wallywink
in my short time on here, i find i get miss quoted a fair bit. says plenty about the intelligence of many posters on here
Pure deflection.
Is that you Terry?
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according to some on here he is doing a marvellous job and simmo doesn't need to be rested.
some of you on here, MCMLXV and smokey stripes included, need to get your patto goggles off and see the real picture
Reread my post. (Gee, I seem to have to say that an awful lot to you).
I said that Patto was our best option at the moment. We had no big man injured for Cartledge to be promoted, Graham was nowhere near ready, and Patto was 'fairly' competitive as a 2nd ruck.
Fast forward to today - Polak is injured so Cartledge can be promoted, Graham has started to show improvement, and Patto is still 'fairly' competitive. Now we have options.
I think promoting Cartledge for Polak will be the best idea - it will unbalance our structure to replace him with a mid/small. I would also play him in the seniors for a couple of weeks for a few reasons and possible benefits - he gets a chance to show if he is worth a spot on the list going forward, Graham gets a chance to step up to #1 at Coburg with all the learning and responsibility that goes with it, and Patto gets a chance to go back and play 4 full quarters in other roles (KPP) that will benefit his development - remember, he is only the same age as Lids, Tambling etc. I think Graham still needs a few weeks of time and improvement at Coburg before he will be anywhere near ready.
So how about you take your Smokey goggles off and actually read what I post instead of going off half-cocked like usual.
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We don't need a big slow full back with Moore & Thursfield holding down the fort plus McGuane on his way back
Howat is a known quantity and probably the least accountable player on our list
Collard has plenty of time to make it and can be rookied for another year
Cartledge has 7 rounds to prove himself as he can't be rookied next year. Give the bloke a go and see what he's got.
Bang - On the money.
Particularly because Angus Graham is still an unknown / unproven quantity, and the Warnock trade rumours are very, very strong out West Joondalup way.
warnock will end up at the demons.
and munday may end up a tiger.
silvester will most likely be elevated,we already have a ruckman in graham who needs game time.
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We don't need a big slow full back with Moore & Thursfield holding down the fort plus McGuane on his way back
Howat is a known quantity and probably the least accountable player on our list
Collard has plenty of time to make it and can be rookied for another year
Cartledge has 7 rounds to prove himself as he can't be rookied next year. Give the bloke a go and see what he's got.
Bang - On the money.
Particularly because Angus Graham is still an unknown / unproven quantity, and the Warnock trade rumours are very, very strong out West Joondalup way.
warnock will end up at the demons.
and munday may end up a tiger.
silvester will most likely be elevated,we already have a ruckman in graham who needs game time.
Are you foreel dereel?? You already know for certain that Warnock is going to the Demons this far out?? Are you his manager or something?? Drawing a pretty long bow there with that prediciton if you ask me.
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We don't need a big slow full back with Moore & Thursfield holding down the fort plus McGuane on his way back
Howat is a known quantity and probably the least accountable player on our list
Collard has plenty of time to make it and can be rookied for another year
Cartledge has 7 rounds to prove himself as he can't be rookied next year. Give the bloke a go and see what he's got.
Bang - On the money.
Particularly because Angus Graham is still an unknown / unproven quantity, and the Warnock trade rumours are very, very strong out West Joondalup way.
warnock will end up at the demons.
and munday may end up a tiger.
silvester will most likely be elevated,we already have a ruckman in graham who needs game time.
Are you foreel dereel?? You already know for certain that Warnock is going to the Demons this far out?? Are you his manager or something?? Drawing a pretty long bow there with that prediciton if you ask me.
the demons are in a better position draft wise than we are.
and of course he would want to play footy with his brother,that would be his preference before richmond.
munday fits into our team alot better,and hes a proven player .
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Why on earth would we elevate Silvester and trade for Munday?
No on both counts please
Warnock could very easily want to come to Richmond as he know he'd not be far off the #1 ruck spot and being in the same city as his brother would likely be enough
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Why on earth would we elevate Silvester and trade for Munday?
No on both counts please
Warnock could very easily want to come to Richmond as he know he'd not be far off the #1 ruck spot and being in the same city as his brother would likely be enough
for one we already have a ruckman in graham,so if we elevate cartledge we might as well tell graham his career at richmonds over.and graham has been alright lately.
collards not ready yet for elevation and howat we dont really need.
as the tigers have a need for more height or kp type players why not try out silvester.
btw infamy have you ever been to any coburg games or are you a armchair expert.
as for munday,l guess you will just have to wait and see what happens trade week.
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just wandering with rookies if another club wants them are they allowed to go?
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I have the feeling that Warnock will be a Tiger. Greg seems to be very good at enticing Freo players to Tigerland but the dreaded 4 year contract may be offered to do so. 3rd round draft pick to Freo plus one or both of Pettifer or JON.
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I have the feeling that Warnock will be a Tiger. Greg seems to be very good at enticing Freo players to Tigerland but the dreaded 4 year contract may be offered to do so. 3rd round draft pick to Freo plus one or both of Pettifer or JON.
I could live with that, would prefer Pettifer to go.
I just get the feeling that after all the backlash Freo get over taking on older players, they might have a big cull and start a youth policy.
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Ooh did you sat patto is struggling??
according to some on here he is doing a marvellous job and simmo doesn't need to be rested.
some of you on here, MCMLXV and smokey stripes included, need to get your patto goggles off and see the real picture and that is we are getting smashed out of the centre with tapouts going directly to the oppostion.
This just proves what an idiot you are.
Show me where I have even mentioned Patto in my posts.
:wallywink
in my short time on here, i find i get miss quoted a fair bit. says plenty about the intelligence of many posters on here
Pure deflection.
Is that you Terry?
I think shannon was sympathising with you. Or did you think it was daniel161 who replied? :-\
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according to some on here he is doing a marvellous job and simmo doesn't need to be rested.
some of you on here, MCMLXV and smokey stripes included, need to get your patto goggles off and see the real picture
Reread my post. (Gee, I seem to have to say that an awful lot to you).
I said that Patto was our best option at the moment. We had no big man injured for Cartledge to be promoted, Graham was nowhere near ready, and Patto was 'fairly' competitive as a 2nd ruck.
Fast forward to today - Polak is injured so Cartledge can be promoted, Graham has started to show improvement, and Patto is still 'fairly' competitive. Now we have options.
I think promoting Cartledge for Polak will be the best idea - it will unbalance our structure to replace him with a mid/small. I would also play him in the seniors for a couple of weeks for a few reasons and possible benefits - he gets a chance to show if he is worth a spot on the list going forward, Graham gets a chance to step up to #1 at Coburg with all the learning and responsibility that goes with it, and Patto gets a chance to go back and play 4 full quarters in other roles (KPP) that will benefit his development - remember, he is only the same age as Lids, Tambling etc. I think Graham still needs a few weeks of time and improvement at Coburg before he will be anywhere near ready.
So how about you take your Smokey goggles off and actually read what I post instead of going off half-cocked like usual.
no need to read your posts dawson, my understanding is that you are more than happy with patto and simmo running himself into the ground and now all of a sudden you have changed your tune.
understand this. Patto is a very average footballer. FACT. Simmo needs to be rested. FACT.
we should have made this call a long long time ago but no not at punt road.
we continue to run players into the ground. (eg richo) and this is just another example of mismanagement
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I voted for Cartlidge as I do agree that Patto is not doing so well. To me (I have said this before) Patto is a footballer without a position to play and untill we find or teach him that postion he will stuggle.
I would be a little concerned the signals it sends to young Angus is we promote a Rookie in his position to play seniors ahead of him.
From what I have read Jarrod Silvester has been doing a good job down back for Coburg and would realy be the only other option for promotion. Do we need a bigger body down back ? Who have we got comming up that would be good match up for him ? Do we need to give him a go at this level to see if he would make it ? These are questions that should be asked too.
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for one we already have a ruckman in graham,so if we elevate cartledge we might as well tell graham his career at richmonds over.and graham has been alright lately.
collards not ready yet for elevation and howat we dont really need.
as the tigers have a need for more height or kp type players why not try out silvester.
btw infamy have you ever been to any coburg games or are you a armchair expert.
as for munday,l guess you will just have to wait and see what happens trade week.
Graham is a young developing ruckman and Cartledge has another 2-3 years of age on him. He's played at AFL level before so he can step in and carry a significant workload. Angus could offer us nothing more than a minor support role at this stage and would offer far less around the ground. Cartledge can only be on our list for another 7 rounds, either we elevate him or cut him. Graham is already on the senior list and will likely be given another year to show his wares after recovering from his broken ankle this year. In a nutshell, Cartledge's time is running out far quicker than Graham's so he should be given the opportunity to prove himself. Most side have around 4-5 rucks their list so theres room for both if they are both up to it, but it'd be pretty harsh to cut a bloke without giving them a chance, especially when they were a reasonably promising junior.
As for Mundy, we already have Thursfield, Moore, McGuane & Rance as the tall-medium sized defenders. Mundy is slow but runs hard and has good disposal. Sorry but I can't see him filling a need, we already have plenty of his type, if we trade for him it will be just like the McMahon trade, giving up a good pick for a player who we already have plenty of his type. Warnock fills a need, Mundy doesn't.
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when will we ever learn.
NO MORE TRADES.
simple as that... im sick of trading away draft picks for duds.
we should be trading our players out of punt road not bringing duds in..
lets start with Schulz, JON, pathetic pettifer and one of newy or tambling..
time for hard decisions to be made not bringing more list cloggers to Punt road
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just wandering with rookies if another club wants them are they allowed to go?
Nah other clubs can't touch them unless they are delisted first.
Howat has been a rookie for 3 years :P so he'll be cut. Cartledge, Silvester and Collard are in their first year so any of them can be kept for another year if we want to.
Cartledge would be my choice if we promote a rookie. We should get Thursty and McGuane back in our defence after the break so the need is in the ruck. I don't think that would be a mark against Gus as he missed a lot of the preseason so it's no harm if he plays full games as #1 ruck at Coburg at this stage. He's only 21 which is still young for a ruckman.
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Howat has been a rookie for 3 years :P so he'll be cut. Cartledge, Silvester and Collard are in their first year so any of them can be kept for another year if we want to.
Im pretty sure that's not quite true as Silvestor & Cartledge will both be too old for the rookie list next year. They will both also have been on a rookie list before so aren't eligible for the mature rookie list either.
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when will we ever learn.
NO MORE TRADES.
simple as that... im sick of trading away draft picks for duds.
we should be trading our players out of punt road not bringing duds in..
lets start with Schulz, JON, pathetic pettifer and one of newy or tambling..
time for hard decisions to be made not bringing more list cloggers to Punt road
Mitch Morton?
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Im pretty sure that's not quite true as Silvestor & Cartledge will both be too old for the rookie list next year. They will both also have been on a rookie list before so aren't eligible for the mature rookie list either.
Cartledge was on Essendon's senior list for 4 years (pick 28 in 2002) for 7 games. Under the current rules (which stopped Richmond from mature age rookie listing James Podsiadly because he had been previously rookied at Ess and Coll, even though he played zero senior games) this is Cartledge's first and last year as a rookie.
I don't think Silvester has been at another AFL club. If that's the case, he is eligible to be a mature age rookie next year (max of one per club).
For the reasons already put forward in this topic, plus he was first ruck for the Victorian VFL team, I'd vote for Cartledge to be promoted if anyone is going to be.
I'm hoping Collard gets another go on the rookie list next year. I think if he gets it all together that he can be something special.
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I don't think Silvester has been at another AFL club. If that's the case, he is eligible to be a mature age rookie next year (max of one per club).
This could be a grey area, he's been on our rookie list before, so not sure if that means he can stay on as a mature aged rookie, or he's ineligible. Either way I don't think it matters, I'd be very surprised if we kept him.
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when will we ever learn.
NO MORE TRADES.
simple as that... im sick of trading away draft picks for duds.
we should be trading our players out of punt road not bringing duds in..
lets start with Schulz, JON, pathetic pettifer and one of newy or tambling..
time for hard decisions to be made not bringing more list cloggers to Punt road
Mitch Morton?
fair point!!!
Mitch has been a valuable asset to our club.
Im a massive wrap for this kid and our forward line must be built around him an Cleve
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I don't think Silvester has been at another AFL club. If that's the case, he is eligible to be a mature age rookie next year (max of one per club).
This could be a grey area, he's been on our rookie list before, so not sure if that means he can stay on as a mature aged rookie, or he's ineligible. Either way I don't think it matters, I'd be very surprised if we kept him.
I agree it might not matter.
I'm positive he hasn't been on Richmond's rookie list before, though. Some people, including me, were quite surprised that he wasn't rookied for last season.
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He hasn't been on any other rookie lists prior to this year, but I don't think you can go straight from a rookie list to be a mature age rookie. I think you have to be drafted as a mature aged rookie. It's very possible that the fact he is on our rookie list this year will stop him from being eligible as he's now been on an AFL list (rookie or senior) before.
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Now I get where you're coming from. :)
Hadn't thought of that. Would be pretty mean spirited by the AFL is it was the case.
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lol @ howat being unvoted so far he's a shocker.
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Howat has been a rookie for 3 years :P so he'll be cut. Cartledge, Silvester and Collard are in their first year so any of them can be kept for another year if we want to.
Im pretty sure that's not quite true as Silvestor & Cartledge will both be too old for the rookie list next year. They will both also have been on a rookie list before so aren't eligible for the mature rookie list either.
You're right I completely forgot about how old they were. So as FF said this is Cartledge's first and last year as a rookie.
It seems Silvester is still eligible to be listed as a mature-age rookie next year ...
Players who have not yet made their AFL debut, but may previously have been on a senior or rookie list, will now be eligible to be listed as mature-age rookies.
http://blogs.abc.net.au/grandstand/2008/04/changes-to-afl.html
So going by that Cartledge would be more likely to be promoted now as Silvester making his debut this year would then make him ineligible to become a mature-age rookie in 2009.
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Ok, that must have been the rule they changed at the end of the year to make it a little less strict.
Pretty sure it didn't use to be that way, that's why we were looking to draft that kid from SA (?... can't remember his name either), but couldn't as a mature aged rookie even though he'd never played a game of AFL before but had been on another teams list (kangaroos?)
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Ok, that must have been the rule they changed at the end of the year to make it a little less strict.
Pretty sure it didn't use to be that way, that's why we were looking to draft that kid from SA (?... can't remember his name either), but couldn't as a mature aged rookie even though he'd never played a game of AFL before but had been on another teams list (kangaroos?)
I think we couldn't draft Pods because he had been on an AFL list previously. Jeremy Clayton from Port Adelaide Magpies (ex-Kangaroo) injured his spleen in a collision during an SANFL game with about a month to go in the season so that ended his chances.
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That sounds about right to me, your memory is better than mine
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from the Herald-Sun
AAP | July 09, 2008
Wallace said that ruckman Tristan Cartledge and defender Jarrod Silvester were best-positioned to replace Polak on the senior list for the rest of the season if the club upgraded a rookie.
Polak's playing future remains unclear, although he will certainly not don the Tigers' jumper again this season, freeing up a berth on the Tigers' senior list.
"I would say the two who are probably strongest are Jarrod Silvester and Tristan Cartledge," Wallace said.
"They are probably the best two best-performed players at VFL level.
"We've got a meeting today where we'll discuss those sorts of things.
"It's a waste of time bringing them up unless you are going to play them, so we don't have to make a decision in a hurry.
"If we feel that one of them's ready to play, well, that's when you make the decision."
Richmond's other two rookies are midfielder Cameron Howat and former Fremantle goalsneak Clayton Collard.
Cartledge played seven games with Essendon in 2005-06 before being delisted, while Silvester was drafted from the Tigers' VFL affiliate Coburg.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23991521-19742,00.html
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whats the holdup then, whats all the talk, why dont they just promote & then have thier media splash instead of all the pre media splash we get every week, fair stuffin dinkum, Wallace would like 10 media conferences just to do a simple job. tired of his spin stuff him off soon please :pray
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What TW was trying to say is that unless they are going to play in the side it is no use elevating them because of the cost involved. No use paying extra money for nothing.
daniel - you're a funny fellow. I never said drive Simmo into the dirt and play him injured or keep playing Patto in the ruck even if he is smashed continously. You really need to start reading actually what is written rather than what you suspect people are saying.
The truth be known I stated weeks a go that we should have rested Simmo because he could no longer ruck out games and the opposition were taking advantage of his lack of leap and run as the game progressed.
Similiarly Patto is getting beaten at the moment as much becasue he is once again being forced to ruck against No. 1 ruckmen rather than just the second tier support rucks. Patto is no ruckman and was forced into the situation because of a desperate need rather than because of overwealming ability. Patto was recruited as a potential HF not a ruckman. We need to start playing him in the position we recruited him to play in but to do this we need someone to fill the 2nd ruck place and unfortunately Gus has not been capable of that to date.
I'm sure the coaches would have elevated Cartledge sooner but they were loath to place Cogs on the long term injury list if there was any chance for him returning this year. Now that a tall has gone down the elevation can be made but who's to say that the mid-season break wasn't just what Simmo needed to overcome his niggle and now perform at the satndard he was at the start of the year when he was named Victorian 1st ruck.
I would definately elevate Cartledge but only if they are going to play him and move Patto into Polaks position but I just can't see Patto filling that role well.
Interesting decision all round becasue it will change or team dynamics regardless.
Stripes
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then why does Wallace have to say to the media that they are thinking of giving someone a chance to step up when they are not going to do it ???
MORE MEDIA SPIN from Wallace who should have stayed in his media job & let someone like Gary Ayres coach Richmond who would have done a much better job IMOPO ;D
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He was asked the question and answered it. Do you think he should have answered - 'No comment'? :-X
I think you will scrutinize anything TW says and attempt to twist it to paint it in a bad light. Yes he is good with the media and yes this is a reason he has been able to at least attempt to rebuild our list without the usual bloodlust frenzy from the media and supporters.
Hois answer was clear and logical - we will only elevate a rookie if they will play in the main side, plain and simple. He felt he should mention Cartledge and Silvester becasue of their excellent efforts and work ethic not to send mixed signals.
If their is a need it will be filled by Cartledge or Silvester. If not no elevation will occur. Where is the spin doctoring??
Stripes
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The decision didn't need to be made right away either. If you were going to bring Cartledge up at all you'd do it next week against his old side where the motivation would be greatest.