One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Moi on July 29, 2008, 05:21:26 AM
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I heard him linked to Melbourne last week with McNamee going.
Methinks he'll come back to the Tiges though.
Would we want him back?
I know Tonys-a-Tiger liked him ::)
He wasn't a popular bloke with the staff from memory, but he reckons the players liked him.
But didn't Greg just get dropped becuase he couldn't distance himself from those below him?
I know Cam's gone out and got his business degrees and he's turned Freo around off field.
Could he do a good job at the Tiges?
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I heard him linked to Melbourne last week with McNamee going.
Methinks he'll come back to the Tiges though.
Would we want him back?
I know Tonys-a-Tiger liked him ::)
He wasn't a popular bloke with the staff from memory, but he reckons the players liked him.
But didn't Greg just get dropped becuase he couldn't distance himself from those below him?
I know Cam's gone out and got his business degrees and he's turned Freo around off field.
Could he do a good job at the Tiges?
We've already got a team that has turned us around off-field.
Now all we need is an on-field team.
I dont know if I want Schwab but it wouldnt surprise me if we're hunting him . :-\
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Doesn't KB hate him?
We finally got Hungry back, we'd lose him again.
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Doesn't KB hate him?
We finally got Hungry back, we'd lose him again.
That's KB's problem really, something he'd have to deal with.
He seems to be coming around a bit more lately though
Time to let the past go methinks.
I hope he goes back to Melbourne.
I know he's gone back to school and got all the business degrees and had some success at Freo off field, but it just seems like old baggage.
Can anyone remember how old he was when he took on the CEO role back in the '90s?
He was mighty young for such responsibilities he had then. Doubt you'd ever see that again.
I think he was 21 or thereabouts.
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I don't want him anywhere near the club
Has a terrible off field record
Pretty easy to do the finance for a club that gets 40,000+ members
Was part of Melbourne breaching the salary cap and had a hand in some diabolical trades at Freo
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Doesn't KB hate him?
We finally got Hungry back, we'd lose him again.
That's KB's problem really, something he'd have to deal with.
He seems to be coming around a bit more lately though
Time to let the past go methinks.
I hope he goes back to Melbourne.
I know he's gone back to school and got all the business degrees and had some success at Freo off field, but it just seems like old baggage.
Can anyone remember how old he was when he took on the CEO role back in the '90s?
He was mighty young for such responsibilities he had then. Doubt you'd ever see that again.
I think he was 21 or thereabouts.
24 im pretty sure he was..
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Don't want him near the club either but I would've thought he'd be after bigger fish to fry now anyway rather than just another gig as CEO of an AFL club.
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Tigers turn to Cameron Schwab
Stephen Rielly | July 30, 2008
RICHMOND's future football operations head may belong to the club's past, with former chief executive Cameron Schwab yesterday linked to the position that was taken from Greg Miller on Sunday.
Schwab, who is due to return to Victoria early next week after seven years as Fremantle chief executive, has been touted as a potential successor to recently sacked Melbourne chief executive Paul McNamee. But the Demons may have to vie with the Tigers, who are understood to have an interest in bringing the 44-year old-back to Punt Road.
Schwab, eldest son of the legendary Richmond general manager Alan Schwab, and brother of former club director and current Professional Footballers Association chairman Brendan Schwab, became the youngest chief executive in AFL history when he was placed in charge at Punt Road by Graeme Richmond in 1988.
Schwab resigned six years later and before joining the Dockers in 2001 he worked for the Demons both as head of football operations and as chief executive.
It was with Melbourne that Schwab began his career in the game, as a teenage recruiter in the early 1980s, but a return to Richmond would be a true home-coming. Moreover, he is understood to be reluctant to take on the responsibilities of chief executive with another club immediately but is keen to stay in the game. Last week, he went so far as to say Melbourne was not a consideration.
At a relatively young age, with a Richmond heritage that seems to have become important in recent days and considerable experience, Schwab fits the description Richmond president Gary March gave as the person he says the club wants to replace Miller. Schwab is also available.
March used the word "contemporary" to describe Miller's successor but said the appointment would also have to be experienced given that he will be expected to have immediate input into decisions made about drafting, trading and possible changes to the football department in the off-season.
It is understood, for example, that thought is being given to replacing several of Wallace's assistant coaches, a number of whom have been with him for almost four years.
Schwab was not available for comment yesterday but Richmond sources confirmed that he was being considered.
Should he return to Punt Road, Schwab will have to deal with the potentially destabilising issue of whether coach Terry Wallace should be re-contracted beyond 2009.
Rest of article at:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24098625-2722,00.html
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Gee I'm glad the club told us that wasn't Tonys a Tiger on Y&B
:rollin
TAT said once, and I paraphrase, that the club expected Cameron to be CEO, direcotr of recruiting and recruiter and basicly any other job they could think of. The guy worked his arse off, according to TAT.
Excuse me, but wasn't that Greg's job as well. He doesn't seem to get the same sympathy :banghead
And well done to Infamy at the time for questioning that :thumbsup
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why should greg get sympathy
lets look at something form another angle. it was miller and miller alone who was ensured daddy the dud had his performance based clause taken away from his contract. we had to put up with 2 years extra hell under danny which set us back , way back behind the pack. if miller didnt back danny and change his contract, our redevelopment would have been far further progressed.
now i am not calling for terry to be sacked, but at the start of the year, miller stressed to the board that we should extend terrys contract. wtf, doesnt miller learn anything. sure we are going ok now, but what if we get the spoon again next year?
if we keep on improving and make finals next year, and terry has us playing well, im all for extending his contract, but after his 5 years, not after his 3 years.
miller was a control freak full stop, and was a bad and bad administrator. as soon as his powers at the club were being weakened, he obv couldnt handle it, and hence has been axed. im sure there are many many valid reasons to his sacking, and the club does not have to explain to anyone its actions
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why should greg get sympathy
lets look at something form another angle. it was miller and miller alone who was ensured daddy the dud had his performance based clause taken away from his contract. we had to put up with 2 years extra hell under danny which set us back , way back behind the pack. if miller didnt back danny and change his contract, our redevelopment would have been far further progressed.
now i am not calling for terry to be sacked, but at the start of the year, miller stressed to the board that we should extend terrys contract. wtf, doesnt miller learn anything. sure we are going ok now, but what if we get the spoon again next year?
if we keep on improving and make finals next year, and terry has us playing well, im all for extending his contract, but after his 5 years, not after his 3 years.
miller was a control freak full stop, and was a bad and bad administrator. as soon as his powers at the club were being weakened, he obv couldnt handle it, and hence has been axed. im sure there are many many valid reasons to his sacking, and the club does not have to explain to anyone its actions
well said.
and you could also add brian waldron to the possible replacements of miller.
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i couldnt support Schwab or Waldron coming back to Richmond
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i couldnt support Schwab or Waldron coming back to Richmond
Looks like a lot of things are happening in the club atm Ramps that supporters are not liking. Who knows at the end of all of this we could have Schwab as HOO, Sheeds as coach, Frawley as PR manager and Kane Johnson still as our captain and there is nothing we can do about it! Off Field at the moment we are like a fully loaded Semi-Trailer without brakes heading downhill with Charles Manson at the wheel! :scream
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i couldnt support Schwab or Waldron coming back to Richmond
Looks like a lot of things are happening in the club atm Ramps that supporters are not liking. Who knows at the end of all of this we could have Schwab as HOO, Sheeds as coach, Frawley as PR manager and Kane Johnson still as our captain and there is nothing we can do about it! Off Field at the moment we are like a fully loaded Semi-Trailer without brakes heading downhill with Charles Manson at the wheel! :scream
why are we ,is it just because we got rid of miller.
its not like we are playing for a premiership because of him or anyone else at the club.
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i couldnt support Schwab or Waldron coming back to Richmond
Looks like a lot of things are happening in the club atm Ramps that supporters are not liking. Who knows at the end of all of this we could have Schwab as HOO, Sheeds as coach, Frawley as PR manager and Kane Johnson still as our captain and there is nothing we can do about it! Off Field at the moment we are like a fully loaded Semi-Trailer without brakes heading downhill with Charles Manson at the wheel! :scream
why are we ,is it just because we got rid of miller.
its not like we are playing for a premiership because of him or anyone else at the club.
dereel, IMO Miller is just the start. I feel there will be more unpopular decisions to come and all these changes, for better or worse create a degree of instability just when we need stability with the onfield group finally coming together.
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i couldnt support Schwab or Waldron coming back to Richmond
Looks like a lot of things are happening in the club atm Ramps that supporters are not liking. Who knows at the end of all of this we could have Schwab as HOO, Sheeds as coach, Frawley as PR manager and Kane Johnson still as our captain and there is nothing we can do about it! Off Field at the moment we are like a fully loaded Semi-Trailer without brakes heading downhill with Charles Manson at the wheel! :scream
why are we ,is it just because we got rid of miller.
its not like we are playing for a premiership because of him or anyone else at the club.
dereel, IMO Miller is just the start. I feel there will be more unpopular decisions to come and all these changes, for better or worse create a degree of instability just when we need stability with the onfield group finally coming together.
l dont have any problems with our assistant coaches going .
our skill level still isnt the best and you would think theres alot better people out there.
wallace has surrounded himself with friends ,its time to break the shackles and make wallace earn his money ,and really see if he can coach .
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i couldnt support Schwab or Waldron coming back to Richmond
Looks like a lot of things are happening in the club atm Ramps that supporters are not liking. Who knows at the end of all of this we could have Schwab as HOO, Sheeds as coach, Frawley as PR manager and Kane Johnson still as our captain and there is nothing we can do about it! Off Field at the moment we are like a fully loaded Semi-Trailer without brakes heading downhill with Charles Manson at the wheel! :scream
why are we ,is it just because we got rid of miller.
its not like we are playing for a premiership because of him or anyone else at the club.
dereel, IMO Miller is just the start. I feel there will be more unpopular decisions to come and all these changes, for better or worse create a degree of instability just when we need stability with the onfield group finally coming together.
l dont have any problems with our assistant coaches going .
our skill level still isnt the best and you would think theres alot better people out there.
wallace has surrounded himself with friends ,its time to break the shackles and make wallace earn his money ,and really see if he can coach .
I agree with you there when you say make Wallace earn his money.
I hear some supporters are asking for a contract extension. what a load of crap.
if he wants an extension lets see where we end up this time next year and that will decide his future.
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why should greg get sympathy
lets look at something form another angle. it was miller and miller alone who was ensured daddy the dud had his performance based clause taken away from his contract. we had to put up with 2 years extra hell under danny which set us back , way back behind the pack. if miller didnt back danny and change his contract, our redevelopment would have been far further progressed.
As much as I hate to admit it, extending Fraudley's contract was a necessary evil. We needed to prove to the AFL world that we could keep a coach for an extended period past their first contract. It brought us the stability to attract other coaches to the club when at the time Fraudley was the only coach who even considered coaching us. I hated having him as our coach, but it had to be done.
l dont have any problems with our assistant coaches going .
our skill level still isnt the best and you would think theres alot better people out there.
wallace has surrounded himself with friends ,its time to break the shackles and make wallace earn his money ,and really see if he can coach.
Yet we are sounding out Schwab, Campbell, Bond, Lambert etc?
How is that not hiring "friends" or "mates", that is complete double standards
You hire people that you know you have a good working relationship
People accuse Miller of hiring his mate Wallace, yet by their own admission they didn't even know each other prior to Wallace taking over as senior coach
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l dont have any problems with our assistant coaches going .
our skill level still isnt the best and you would think theres alot better people out there.
wallace has surrounded himself with friends ,its time to break the shackles and make wallace earn his money ,and really see if he can coach .
So you're saying that despite the fact that Blind Freddie and his dog know we still have a skill level problem it's the fault of the coaches (whose job it is to raise these levels) rather than the players who can't/won't/don't work on them?
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why should greg get sympathy
lets look at something form another angle. it was miller and miller alone who was ensured daddy the dud had his performance based clause taken away from his contract. we had to put up with 2 years extra hell under danny which set us back , way back behind the pack. if miller didnt back danny and change his contract, our redevelopment would have been far further progressed.
As much as I hate to admit it, extending Fraudley's contract was a necessary evil. We needed to prove to the AFL world that we could keep a coach for an extended period past their first contract. It brought us the stability to attract other coaches to the club when at the time Fraudley was the only coach who even considered coaching us. I hated having him as our coach, but it had to be done.
l dont have any problems with our assistant coaches going .
our skill level still isnt the best and you would think theres alot better people out there.
wallace has surrounded himself with friends ,its time to break the shackles and make wallace earn his money ,and really see if he can coach.
Yet we are sounding out Schwab, Campbell, Bond, Lambert etc?
How is that not hiring "friends" or "mates", that is complete double standards
You hire people that you know you have a good working relationship
People accuse Miller of hiring his mate Wallace, yet by their own admission they didn't even know each other prior to Wallace taking over as senior coach
Well said.
And why do we want any ex-admins back from the dark days of weak boards who were easily manipulated by the backroom boys with their "quick fixes" that had us going around in circles. They've had their time before and failed. Freo and Melbourne are going really well at the moment ::).
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the factions are back.
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Brendan's revenge over Miller?
FFS
Geez Balmey put you friggn hand up. the whole football world knows you want the job
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l dont have any problems with our assistant coaches going .
our skill level still isnt the best and you would think theres alot better people out there.
wallace has surrounded himself with friends ,its time to break the shackles and make wallace earn his money ,and really see if he can coach .
So you're saying that despite the fact that Blind Freddie and his dog know we still have a skill level problem it's the fault of the coaches (whose job it is to raise these levels) rather than the players who can't/won't/don't work on them?
yeah the players do have to work on there skills,but wtf why do we employ assistants for to stand there and watch .
or have we recruited (not all)players that dont have much to start with.
maybe under wallace we have become too obsessed with speed rather than skill.
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why should greg get sympathy
lets look at something form another angle. it was miller and miller alone who was ensured daddy the dud had his performance based clause taken away from his contract. we had to put up with 2 years extra hell under danny which set us back , way back behind the pack. if miller didnt back danny and change his contract, our redevelopment would have been far further progressed.
As much as I hate to admit it, extending Fraudley's contract was a necessary evil. We needed to prove to the AFL world that we could keep a coach for an extended period past their first contract. It brought us the stability to attract other coaches to the club when at the time Fraudley was the only coach who even considered coaching us. I hated having him as our coach, but it had to be done.
l dont have any problems with our assistant coaches going .
our skill level still isnt the best and you would think theres alot better people out there.
wallace has surrounded himself with friends ,its time to break the shackles and make wallace earn his money ,and really see if he can coach.
Yet we are sounding out Schwab, Campbell, Bond, Lambert etc?
How is that not hiring "friends" or "mates", that is complete double standards
You hire people that you know you have a good working relationship
People accuse Miller of hiring his mate Wallace, yet by their own admission they didn't even know each other prior to Wallace taking over as senior coach
infamy you have alot to learn mate.
l think your still upset about tat shooting you down a few times on the other site.
how is lambert or schwab or bond etc bringing in friends ,they would be working with wallace .
and steve wright does the recruiting ,it of course has to get board approval but tony free is only 1 person .
lambert has an excellent record as an assistant,and could of coached a afl side if he wanted to ,but he chose to be a long term assistant ,he has the runs on the board ,it would be silly to overlook him .
campbell lm not to sure about l dont know what his input is at the dogs but they have been going along ok
bondy is highly regarded and nearly took a senior berth at the saints .
of course there are more out there ,but remember we are talking about assistants not the senior role .
l want mccrae in to be honest and sheeds as his assistant .
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I have a lot to learn yet you think our CEO does our recruiting
As for T-a-T, I don't think he ever shot me down, I was simply one of the only people who challenged him and refused to be someone who gushed praise about how much they all loved him. I liked the way he went about it on the field, but at the end of the day he couldn't kick and was part of a terrible team. His views were outdated and typical Richmond feral material.
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I have a lot to learn yet you think our CEO does our recruiting
As for T-a-T, I don't think he ever shot me down, I was simply one of the only people who challenged him and refused to be someone who gushed praise about how much they all loved him. I liked the way he went about it on the field, but at the end of the day he couldn't kick and was part of a terrible team. His views were outdated and typical Richmond feral material.
yes the ceo does do the hiring of the recruiting staff ,the director of football answers to him .
who then in turn reports to the board .lesson completed .
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I have a lot to learn yet you think our CEO does our recruiting
As for T-a-T, I don't think he ever shot me down, I was simply one of the only people who challenged him and refused to be someone who gushed praise about how much they all loved him. I liked the way he went about it on the field, but at the end of the day he couldn't kick and was part of a terrible team. His views were outdated and typical Richmond feral material.
Oh, didn't you read the article? T-a-T wasn't Tony after all that because Tony said so. It's just that Tony's actions since becoming a board member have mirrored his attitudes in his posts. Funny that.
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No way we should even consider this guy...
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l dont know if it will be schwab .
from media reports the tigers are looking at someone outside the afl BRIAN WALDRON.
hes doing a great job at the storm ,and is very highly regarded .
the rugby league is a very is alot more volatile market than the afl ,with players coming and going .
and hes done a great job at managing his players .
yes he has been a tiger in the past ,but he was at the tigers when the board was coming and going .
a more stable board would certainly make his job alot easier .
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l dont know if it will be schwab .
from media reports the tigers are looking at someone outside the afl BRIAN WALDRON.
hes doing a great job at the storm ,and is very highly regarded .
the rugby league is a very is alot more volatile market than the afl ,with players coming and going .
and hes done a great job at managing his players .
yes he has been a tiger in the past ,but he was at the tigers when the board was coming and going .
a more stable board would certainly make his job alot easier .
Im not a fan of seeing people back at the club, who have come from the clubs admin in the past,when the side was a diabolical mess at that time. I cant see Richmond supporters supporting the return of Cameron Schwab or Brian Waldron.
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l dont know if it will be schwab .
from media reports the tigers are looking at someone outside the afl BRIAN WALDRON.
hes doing a great job at the storm ,and is very highly regarded .
the rugby league is a very is alot more volatile market than the afl ,with players coming and going .
and hes done a great job at managing his players .
yes he has been a tiger in the past ,but he was at the tigers when the board was coming and going .
a more stable board would certainly make his job alot easier .
Im not a fan of seeing people back at the club, who have come from the clubs admin in the past,when the side was a diabolical mess at that time. I cant see Richmond supporters supporting the return of Cameron Schwab or Brian Waldron.
yeah thats true ramps but the supporters dont get to decide .
waldron is the only person l can think of that is outside the afl,and with the tigers having a good relationship with the storm he seems the logical one.
l would not be happy if we get someone who has no afl experience ,which l dont think will happen .
lambert could be an interesting one ,maybe the tigers have spoken to him about being director of football .
it pays alot more than being an assistant ,and sheep is a very smart guy .
the only thing would be if he wanted to shift his family back here.
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I agree DRT Waldron would be one from outside the AFL who has AFL experience but I don't see him though taking a step back down from CEO to football manager. As for Lambert he would need a huge change of heart to come back to Richmond from what I was told.
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http://blogs.thewest.com.au/sport/john-townsend-legacy-a-positive-for-schwab/
JOHN TOWNSEND - Legacy a positive for Schwab
There is a marvellous story about Cameron Schwab that reveals much about his strengths and weaknesses as a football administrator.
In 2002, Melbourne centreman Shane Woewodin was one of the hottest properties in footy.
He had won a Brownlow and played in a grand final with the Demons only two years earlier but had just been sacked because of salary cap pressures.
Plenty of clubs thought he was worth recruiting – if the money was right – though Collingwood were the frontrunners after talking to Melbourne about a trade.
Enter Schwab.
He had been in charge of Freo for about a year and prided himself on his recruiting prowess.
There was no player he didn’t think he could get to the Dockers. It was just a matter of coming up with the right deal.
His Woewodin plan was easy.
He rang Woewodin’s manager and made a plain and powerful offer.
“We will pay him $600,000 a year to come to Fremantle,” Schwab said, elevating Woewodin to the most stratospheric level of the AFL pay scale.
“If he agrees, we will do a deal that will guarantee he comes to Freo.”
The manager had a couple of questions, including wondering what Fremantle coach Chris Connolly thought and how the Dockers would fit him under their salary cap.
“Don’t worry about that,” Schwab said. “I’ll look after it.”
The news of Schwab’s unilateral offer didn’t take long to get around, particularly given that Woewodin’s manager was driving in his car with another club’s assistant coach when he took the call.
It eventually came to nothing but not before the Dockers, not for the first time, suffered some internal angst about the right hand doing something that the left hand knew nothing about.
That was Schwab in a nutshell.
On one hand, a visionary with a stunning plan that could give his club an immediate boost; on the other, a flaky opportunist flying by the seat of his pants with little regard for the consequences.
The Woewodin deal never happened but it says much for Fremantle’s operations during nearly a decade with Schwab at the helm.
Questionable recruiting has been Fremantle’s Achilles heel during that period but, equally, there were remarkable coups that saw Jeff Farmer, Josh Carr and Luke McPharlin while the club’s off-field position has never been stronger.
Fremantle still lacks respect but it has never been better placed as a club to start to move upwards on the field as it has done off it.
Schwab has left a positive legacy. And he eventually did get Woewodin the club, even if it was only in a short-lived role as a coaching assistant.
What do you think?
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Not sure if this guy is quite what we want for the job - would certainly be useful for other roles but not Miller's IMO.
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Schwab joined Freo as CEO in September 2001. After our PF loss, Freo offered Gas $700k to cross the nullabor only for everyone to find out later, after we retained Gas on a $$$ contract mind you, that had the Gas to Freo deal gone through it would've pushed Freo over their salary cap. So that Woewodin story doesn't surprise me. Schwab did turn Freo from a $8m debt ridden club into a profitable one but history shows he should stay away from football dept decisions and he's not the person to replace Miller.
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Cameron Schwab favourite for Demons role
Greg Denham | August 05, 2008
CAMERON Schwab has firmed as Melbourne's next chief executive after the Demons were informed yesterday that Geelong chief operating officer Stuart Fox would not be applying for the job.
Fox, who was on a short list of three for the vacant Melbourne position - the others being Schwab and Hawthorn chief operating officer Terry Dillon - informed the headhunting firm charged with recommending candidates on Sunday night that he was out of the picture.
Instead, it is understood Fox is interested in becoming the Gold Coast's first chief executive, and held discussions with the AFL's chief operating officer Gillon McLachlan last week.
Schwab, who returns to Victoria today for a month's break after seven years as chief executive of Fremantle, told The Australian last month that he did not know why his name had been linked to the Demons after Paul McNamee was sacked less than four months into the chief executive's role.
"I've given it no consideration and I won't be giving it any consideration," he said.
Yesterday he reiterated those comments and said: "I haven't given it any thought. I need some clear time to weigh up what I do next, and whatever that role is, I want to focus on it for the next eight to 10 years."
However, sources close to the new Melbourne regime - chairman Jim Stynes and general manager of football operations Chris Connolly - yesterday declared Schwab would be made a priority to rejoin the club.
It appears the most likely scenario in light of the fact that Richmond is now distancing itself from links with Schwab to take over the role of general manager of football operations following the recent sacking of Greg Miller.
It is understood Richmond president Gary March is opposed to Schwab running the Tigers football department, despite the 44-year-old former Tigers chief executive with a strong Richmond heritage fitting most of the criteria of March's job description.
March said Miller's successor should be a "contemporary" person with the necessary experience to have an immediate input into decisions made about drafting, trading and possible further changes to the Tigers' football department.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24128875-5012432,00.html
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Cameron Schwab has rejoined the Dees as their new CEO.
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Cameron Schwab has rejoined the Dees as their new CEO.
Thank Geez for that. :clapping