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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 22, 2008, 02:36:03 AM
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If Sugar steps down as captain at the end of the year as mentioned in today's Age, who should become our captain for next year?
Johnson ... is understood to have indicated he would look at handing over the captaincy after four years in the job.
Should Johnson indicate the captaincy be passed on, Chris Newman probably would be narrow favourite to take the position over Nathan Foley. The prevailing view at Richmond is that emerging debutant Trent Cotchin is in the box seat to become a long-term captain of the club once the top draft pick reaches his early 20s.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/richmond-veterans-to-play-on/2008/08/21/1219262414255.html
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it has to be deledio, but i am sure terry will stuff it up and give it to newman or foley
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it has to be deledio, but i am sure terry will stuff it up and give it to newman or foley
correct.
lids captain. non negotiable
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it has to be deledio, but i am sure terry will stuff it up and give it to newman or foley
correct.
lids captain. non negotiable
Imo Lids can be a bit on himself and not the team. Would like to see Lids win more footy at ground level, and lead from the front and not the end of handball recieves. Thats not bagging him as you need a blend of both gatherers of stats and recievers of stats. Newy now and Lids furhter down the track.
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it has to be deledio, but i am sure terry will stuff it up and give it to newman or foley
correct.
lids captain. non negotiable
Imo Lids can be a bit on himself and not the team. Would like to see Lids win more footy at ground level, and lead from the front and not the end of handball recieves. Thats not bagging him as you need a blend of both gatherers of stats and recievers of stats. Newy now and Lids furhter down the track.
i have loved watching lids this year. Outside of Moore i think he has been our most improved so yeah would love to see him captain.
Foley has got close to no chance you would think. He has to learn how to break tags before he can focus on important things such as being captain .
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l'm back resting up but not here for long ;D
Bowden make a great captain till his retirement :thumbsup
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Deledio for me. Foley vice.
If Sugar steps down and Terry wants another year before Lids/Foley/Newman then I reckon Richo would do a fine job for a season given the more team-oriented role he has played this season. It would be a fitting end to his career.
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Give Richo the job for next year and then amke the long term appointment.
:cheers
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I think what the_boy_jake said has a lot of good points about it.
But wouldn't be better to have a long term leader out there.
As Richo as good as he is is getting a little long in the tooth, so wont be there for that much longer.
Where as our young squad has some real good quality players in it. And with the help of a few older players I think it could work for us.
We need to have a strong base to build on and richo term is now short.
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It's time we went for a captain who will lead a generational shift in thinking and more importnatly doing and yes Lids is the man. This must happen much like a Carey or a Voss.
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A captain should be able to inspire others, lead others, show courage and passion, win games of his own boot and can help develope other players through experience.There is only 1 man to do this
Deledio NO Foley NO Newman NO Bowden Maybe
RICHO without a doubt
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It's time we went for a captain who will lead a generational shift in thinking and more importnatly doing and yes Lids is the man. This must happen much like a Carey or a Voss.
It would not hurt to have Lids wait for 1-2 years for the job.
Give it to Richo and tell him it is for one-two years only.
:cheers
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Richo would make a decent kind of captain. But I still think he does one to many dummy spits. And this isn't a way yopu want the young ones to be inspirered by. So I would make him and Bowden the VC's and Newman or Delideo as captain.
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3 or 4 months ago I would have said Foley. 2 months ago was even open to the idea of Newman. But now I just don't see them as the "ones"
The last month I've thought Lids has shown great maturity and leadership. I've also had the belief that Tambling is a natural leader too
So I'd go with Deledio, a clear long term appointment which is probably what we need.
However if he they deem that he isn't ready then I like Jake's idea of giving it to Richo for 12 months... perhaps co-captains with Lids wearing the no 17.
Let's be honest Richo was inspiring on Sunday, especially the last qtr
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Richo should have been given the role ahead of Sugar, that much is obvious
his time has passed. let him enjoy his final years as the best player at the rfc for the last 30 years.
lids captain.
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It's time we went for a captain who will lead a generational shift in thinking and more importnatly doing and yes Lids is the man. This must happen much like a Carey or a Voss.
I agree but I still think that Newman has to be considered to. But Lids if far more flashy and is inspirering to watch.
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Deledio, he has emerged as an elite player this year, really the only one we have
He's put his body on the line and played hurt, dominated hurt too, he should get the 17
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We are certainly not spoiled for choice, but I would say Lids, I just hope the extra responsibility doesnt detract from his game......so I looked down our list for someone who was inspiring and maybe not so good, but couldnt find anyone, maybe Simmo could come out of his shell and rev em up?
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I have no doubt that an injury free Cogs would have been skipper at least 2 or 3 seasons ago, alas ....
I think the big fella should concentrate on getting onto to the park next year cos a 34y-o is not your future so whilst the 12 month Richo reign may appeal to sentimentality, I'd suggest that a statement about the future direction of the club for the next 6 to 8 years would be more beneficial for the medium term.
That's why I'd go for Lids as skipper with Foley VC & Newmo as DVC in 09.
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l'm back resting up but not here for long ;D
Bowden make a great captain till his retirement :thumbsup
Come on TM I know what you think of Bowden but seriously lets put the club first. :lol
If you had your way he'd be running for the US Presidency in 3 months also. :lol
I love Richo but the future of the club is leaning elsewhere and we can't give it too him now either :thumbsup
Deledio would be my first choice but if he is not upto it and club and player feel time needs to pass before he is bestowed with that honour of leading the club then Chris Newman who has been in the leadership group through a very lean era under Spud and Wallace so far would need to be the selected as captain.
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Give it to Richo for the next 2 years then Lids for the next 10 years
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Richo until he decides to retire. Then probably Lids.
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Richo until he decides to retire. Then probably Lids.
Yeah your right CUB. Hope he never retires :D
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Richo until he decides to retire. Then probably Lids.
Yeah your right CUB. Hope he never retires :D
Not funny hope it never happens. :thumbsup
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From the Caro interview with Lids
"On his prospects in the Jack Dyer Medal, Deledio is emphatic. "I hope Rick (Matthew Richardson) wins it. He deserves it. He's had a stellar year. I reckon he's got another five seasons left in him.""
Lets hope so
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Richo should have been given the role ahead of Sugar, that much is obvious
How is it obvious?
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Newman, Foley in line to fill some big boots
Lyall Johnson | August 24, 2008
WHEN Kane Johnson came to Richmond from Adelaide in 2003 as a dual premiership player, his new coaches and teammates were awed by his dedication to training and fitness.
He was, it was said around the club, at another level and clearly that intensity contributed to him getting the nod to take over the captain's reins from Wayne Campbell in 2005 in Campbell's last season.
"Media speculation", as coach Terry Wallace described it yesterday, last week had Johnson contemplating a similar succession, passing the baton to a player who would be at the club longer than he and playing out his final seasons without the encumbrance of the skipper's role.
It is a role that has sat well with Johnson on the field. His natural leadership skills and ability not just to communicate to others his thoughts but lead by example make him much admired around Punt Road.
The counterpoint, however, was that the off-field duties as the face of the club have often been a chore for an unassuming bloke who does not crave the spotlight.
There will be, it's certain, some things, such as dealing with the media, he will not miss when he does decide to take a back seat.
Who would succeed him will be an interesting matter for the Tigers.
Of the two vice-captains, Chris Newman probably has the edge over Nathan Foley in that at 26, he is older and more experienced than the 22-year-old Foley, notwithstanding the latter's selection to play for Victoria this year in the Hall of Fame clash.
Newman is a well-spoken, intelligent and respected member of the side. The question is whether the club would prefer his steady, unflashy image to an excitement machine like Foley, whose bursts through midfield obviously inspire his teammates to take on their opponents.
Both had solid games yesterday, although neither was spectacular. In Foley's defence, he was still carrying a hip injury that forced him to miss the win over Hawthorn.
Newman smiled after the match yesterday when it was pointed out his name was being thrown around for the captain's role should Johnson decide to relinquish it next season. And he was quick to point out that Johnson hadn't gone yet, that with his 20-possession game yesterday, there was plenty of life left in him and such talk was a "bit premature".
"It would be an honour but I really can't talk too much about it. I don't know what the plans are or how the club wants to go about it but certainly if the opportunity came up, I'd put my hand up," he said. "I've learnt a hell of a lot over the years from Kane and it would be a real privilege. But hopefully, he can go around another couple of years.
"He's an experienced player and had a lot of seasons in his legs. But he's perfectly capable of going on. Fingers crossed he does. It's obviously a huge responsibility. He's handled it really well and always setting the right examples and the right tone, which is really important for the younger group."
With its lack of success in recent years, Richmond has found itself in the fortunate position of being in possession of some of the best young talent in the AFL.
When he was first drafted, Brett Deledio was being touted as a future leader of the club, although over the past four years, his progress has been unfairly measured against the superstar status of Lance Franklin.
However, he is maturing as a person and a player, and this season has been his best by far. Yesterday, as he has been for much of the season, Deledio was instrumental in the Tigers' seven-point win. His pass to Matthew Richardson in the last quarter that set up a goal was brilliant.
He is well-liked by teammates and coaches but going against him might be his shy nature.
But further ahead is the likelihood that Trent Cotchin will one day captain the Tigers.
Already a big contributor to Richmond this season, Cotchin played another fine game, even if he required a rocket from coach Terry Wallace at the three-quarter-time break to spur him on.
It worked, with his weave through traffic midway through the quarter instrumental in getting the ball forward for Jay Schulz to snap truly and put the Tigers out to a winning 19-point margin.
At only 18, captaincy is still some way off for Cotchin, but it is on the cards.And would he like it? You bet.
"It's a nice thing that people are saying good things about me, I've always dreamed of being a captain of an AFL club," he said. "But I can't think about that sort of thing. What's important now is that I've just got to take it one step at a time."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/newman-foley-in-line-to-fill-some-big-boots/2008/08/23/1219262621486.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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It worked, with his weave through traffic midway through the quarter instrumental in getting the ball forward for Jay Schulz to snap truly and put the Tigers out to a winning 19-point margin.
At only 18, captaincy is still some way off for Cotchin, but it is on the cards.And would he like it? You bet.
"It's a nice thing that people are saying good things about me, I've always dreamed of being a captain of an AFL club," he said. "But I can't think about that sort of thing. What's important now is that I've just got to take it one step at a time."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/newman-foley-in-line-to-fill-some-big-boots/2008/08/23/1219262621486.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
That conversation did arise after that piece of play. He just has it does the Cotch :thumbsup
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no doubt the club will make the mistake and pick newman or foley to be our next captain. why do i say this , because we have a history of always picking the wrong person. our last true captain was the flea, maybe i am a bit harsh on free but weightman was our last real captain. if the club feels that deledio is too young to take on the role they are stupid, deledio is ready but say if they for some reason feel it cant be him then it has to be TUCK. newman and foley dont have leadership in them as tuck does.
for me deledio captain
tuck and tambling as vc's
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Just taking the mickey out of some here with my Bowden jibe at being captain
Shane Tuck :thumbsup
l said it before that he should be captain in other threads & the reason is his resouces, family members & his form over years
its obvious he has struggled carrying the Tuck name & Ablett blood & having high exspectations to be a champion footballer before coming to Richmond & his rest playing at SANFL level helped him keep his passion to play football, he should be rewarded for his past few seasons of very hard work. Him being in the side yesterday was alone why we got over the line for the win.
Everyone should be proud of the way Shane Tuck has played all year, its his best season & Richo will struggle to shake him off for that B&F
Shane Tuck for Captain
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If Johnson can go around another year then I'd continue with him.
You can't or rather shouldn't take the captaincy away from one old timer and give it to another old timer there's no logic in it and in fact will become a slap in the face to Johnson if that scenario unfolds. So if Johnson hands down the captaincy then it is going to go to a young/er player.
Who are the probable chances: Chris Newman, Nathan foley, Brett Delidio and Shane Tuck.
Chris Newman: Has age on his side. he's an average to better than average footballer, is over rated in my opinion and would have good trade value. Can he lead, possibly, could be the making of him. I wouldn't pick him as captain but given the intellect of those in charge I think he is probably the front runner.
Nathan Foley: We depend alot on this player, he's a better player than Newman and can do things on the field that you would expect a captain to do. He is in the unfortunate position of being a further developed midfielder than his younger partners. I believe the biggest stumbling block that Foley has to becomming the captain is not himself or the percieved inability to shake a tag but the coaches box. I believe the coaches box will be so god damn scared of overloading there already pressured best midfielder with the burdon of captaincy. Could be a good choice, will lead from the front and given good coaching his fellow midfielders should catch up releasing some of the pressure.
Brett Delidio: Comming along nicely but if the article I read in the age by Caroline Wilson is any indication then this boy isn't ready to be the Captain of our club just yet, he's still two years away. Leave him alone and let him develop more. As a side note, If Richmond believe that they have to offer Brett the captaincy just to keep him at Richmond then they are better off letting him go, you can't buy passion.
Shane Tuck: Interesting proposition, only because he is a consistently good player, but wont cut it as captain.
What should happen:
Leave Kane Johnson as captain and give everybody another year of development, it isn't going to hurt anybody and isn't going to make any massive difference to our performance next year. Kane doesn't have to play every game and foley, newman and co can share the responsibilities around on those occassions.
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I was all for leaving Johnson to be captain this year, I figured with another 12 months we'd know if any of our other players were ready to stand up.
Newman got the VC this year and while he started the year well, he hasn't had a standout season
Foley has struggled with the extra attention this year, but people are over reacting a little about him not being able to handle a tag, he's been just as good as before, but he hasn't stepped up the same amount as he did last year. Nothing wrong with that.
Tuck would be an ok selection for his onfield performances, but I spent a bit of time with him a year or two ago and he's a bit of a strange character, I don't think he'd be captain material. Having said that so is Kirk and he's a great captain.
Personally I think Brett Deledio is the standout, in an ideal world he may not be 100% ready, but with Johnson staying on next year he would still be one of the main leaders at the club and would be able to help Deledio with the transition. Not sure if Wayne was ready when he was made captain of North Melbourne as a 22 year old either, but he was developed with the role.
I see Tuck or Newman as the choices if we intend to hand the captaincy over to Cotchin as both will hold the role for around 4 years. If we pick Deledio then it's a selection for the next decade.
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I think Lids has put his hand up to be the next captain as he's gone to another level this year which lives up to the expectations everyone had of him as a #1 pick. My only concern about Lids was shown up in the Hawthorn game when he took exception to Hodge's swinging elbow and, in the wrestle that followed, Hodge's more mature and stronger body put Lids on his back. Wouldn't be a good look from a captain lol. Lids still needs another year or two to develop to his full potential in terms of both his footy and body strength.
I've got a feeling if Sugar steps down this year that Newy will be given the captaincy until a Lids or Cotch is ready to takeover.
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Caro said Newy would be her choice of captain next year. Deserves it. Between him and Foley and Newy is ahead of Foley. She wouldn't give it to Richo for one year as he's not the captain type. The Club reckons Cotchin will be a ready-made captain in 3-4 years.
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some of you on here make me laugh, suggesting we should keep sugar as captain.
there are other standout players who are streets ahead of this fool and lids is one of them.
if not lids then Newy. Johnson is another vanderberg, get rid of him
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Give it to Richo for the next 2 years then Lids for the next 10 years
I to think now, that this would really work in our favour. Giving Lids a few more years to mature or even Newman in that mix.