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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Smokey on September 28, 2008, 02:45:10 PM
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The worse thing about yesterday is the AFL will now bring in another rule change to counter deliberate rushed behinds :banghead after Hawthorn conceded 11 of them.
They rolled the dice and won on this one - they valued the regain of tempo and control to be worth more than 1 point each time they did it. If the gamble had failed and the game was close then those 11 points = bye, bye flag.
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Did you have some hard earned on it jake? Would've done nicely out of it.
Nah, due to an extremely bad run my centrebet account is dry. I was wise counsel for someone else though who got evens @ Hawks + 15.5 - never really in doubt.
The worse thing about yesterday is the AFL will now bring in another rule change to counter deliberate rushed behinds :banghead after Hawthorn conceded 11 of them.
I don't want another scoring column. I don't mind the idea of a bounce 25 m out - except that these days the way teams drive forward from half back with an open F50 it might be as much an advantage to the team in the defensive 50 as the team attacking.
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The media are now onto this....
11 rushed behinds: rule change needed
Rohan Connolly | September 29, 2008
YET again, the issue of deliberately rushed behinds has emerged. In a grand final, no less. And this time, no one can argue a case of sour grapes from a loser. Not when the coach of the winning team was himself calling for change.
Some of us were accused of hysterical overreaction when Richmond's Joel Bowden walked the ball back through his own goal from a kick-in to save the game against Essendon earlier this season. "Once in a blue moon," they said.
Well, it's been a pretty constant blue moon ever since. The very next week, a TAC under-18 team was "doing a Bowden". A couple of weeks after that, Collingwood shored up a lead late against St Kilda by doing likewise.
Now the practice of walking backwards through the goals from a kick-in is commonplace. Players routinely handball, even kick through their own goals from 25-30 metres away. Hawthorn's Mark Williams did just that to post the last of Geelong's staggering 11 rushed behinds in the grand final.
Fair enough, too, given what was at stake. Hawthorn soaked up the first 15 minutes of the final term brilliantly on Saturday to put the result beyond doubt, and those rushed behinds certainly played their part.
Smart football, sure, even if Clarkson and the Hawthorn players said it wasn't a planned tactic, more an instinctive reaction to facing a wall of blue-and-white while trying to get out of defence.
It's too good an option for a defender under pressure to ignore. Which is why it's happening so frequently, average rushed behinds per game climbing from 3.9 five years ago to more than six now.
Some like the three-point penalty as a preventative measure. But we'd be happy with a bounce either at the top of the goal square or 20 to 25 metres from goal.
That's not a rule change that requires enormous research or even thought. The mounting evidence confronts us in virtually every game now, in just a couple of months "the Bowden" having become far more the norm than a curiosity.
Arguably the best change made to the rules of the game remains the out-of-bounds on the full penalty introduced 40 years ago, which stopped defenders kicking for touch like in rugby. This trend is every bit as unattractive and against the spirit of the game and needs the same attention, urgently.
We can't now even warn "wait till it happens in a grand final". It just did.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/11-rushed-behinds-rule-change-needed/2008/09/28/1222540247221.html
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League must act now to erase blot on game
Mike Sheahan | September 29, 2008
THREE teams won premierships by margins of less than 11 points from 2002-06. On Saturday, Hawthorn deliberately and happily handed Geelong 11 points with rushed behinds.
Not rushed in the traditional sense - the ball spilling across the goal-line off hands - but gifted them in a considered exploitation of a bad rule.
One of the 11 came from a kick backwards by Hawthorn Mark Williams from 25 metres out in the last quarter.
The deliberately rushed behind has been a blot on the game for years and needs to be addressed.
It is even more blatant these days, with a rule change two years ago making it more attractive to defending teams.
The scoring system cannot be bastardised by a three-point penalty, but surely the people in charge of the game's destiny have the wisdom (and the commitment) to come up with a solution. Like a designated spot 25m from goal for (a) a bounce or (b) a set shot for the opposition.
There are times when the solution to a problem creates a new problem, but this one has grown to alarming proportions.
After a campaign for the best part of 10 years, I sense change is in the wind. The commission can live in denial no longer.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/1,9191,24415410-19742,00.html
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If they change that, all record will have to start again. As it would be a total different scoring system.
And why didn't the Cats do something to stop it. Don't blame the other team. Its a good rule and leave it alone
Cry babies always have something to whinge about. Next time it will be its too cold to play outside.
Give me a break. Them's the rules, it up to the teams to stop their opposition from doing it. Full Stop.
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I'm glad Joel will be remembered for what he does best.....
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There's nothing as soft as conceding a behind when someone is running you down.
Same as simulating for 50m penatlies we are prone to writing this stuff off as clever gamesmanship these days. Like the way the Latin influence in soccer led to diving, cheating and a man's game downgraded to a girls game, the same is happening to footy.
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Yet again, the AFL brings in an unwanted rule (quick kick in) and now that teams take advantage of it we need another rule to change the game again. If they'd just left it alone in the first place, we wouldn't be worrying about all this crap.
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I'm glad Joel will be remembered for what he does best.....
remembered for playing league football for Richmond Football Club, winning 2 B&F & being all Australian & a credited defender for his size.
Playing over 250 games & more than 10 years at the highest level :thumbsup
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Yet again, the AFL brings in an unwanted rule (quick kick in) and now that teams take advantage of it we need another rule to change the game again. If they'd just left it alone in the first place, we wouldn't be worrying about all this crap.
correct its the AFL that is destroying the game of football itself from Junior to the highest level.
Andy Demetrou & Anderson are destroying the game & chuck Geishien in there with them
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Yet again, the AFL brings in an unwanted rule (quick kick in) and now that teams take advantage of it we need another rule to change the game again. If they'd just left it alone in the first place, we wouldn't be worrying about all this crap.
Spot on.
Bringing in a new rule will also give the umps more to do and more to guess at. Not all rushed behinds like deliberate out of bounds are clear cut.
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How long has this game being going on ???
IIRC season 2008 was the celebration of 150 years...was it not ???
Sometimes it even gets referred to as the "people's game"
Well with that in mind..... :banghead
For crying out loud you little non-events at Docklands (that's you Andy D and your little dweeb partner Adrian) leave the bloody game alone.... :banghead :banghead
It aint that complicated for effs sake
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Amateurs set to make a point
Glenn McFarlane | October 05, 2008
THE Victorian Amateur Football Association is considering a change to the rushed behind rule to stop what it calls is "a blight" on the game.
Only a week after Hawthorn rushed through 11 points for Geelong in the Grand Final, VAFA chief executive Michael Sholly revealed he wrote to all the competition's clubs recently for their input on a rule change.
"It has basically annoyed me all year," Sholly said this week of the rise in rushed points.
"We just thought it was a blight on the game and wanted to discuss doing something about it before it became even more prevalent in the game."
Sholly wants feedback from VAFA clubs before an October 26 board meeting where a rule change will be hotly debated.
"The rules were written back in 1858 and back then it took them two weeks to score, so a point was worth absolute gold," he said.
"Now a behind is worth very little."
Sholly said a change could see the ball thrown up at the end of the goalsquare if a player rushes a point.
"Amateur football has always been a bit innovative and at the cutting edge, so we thought this might be another opportunity," he said.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24447790-19742,00.html
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Maybe if they stopped the flood rule the rushed behind thing would just go away.
Have the powers to be ever thought of that.
The rushed behind has only become a problem when teams flood.
It's the way to reform on just how they are going to get the ball out of danger.
So if half these halfwits looked at that flooding they will see the two go hand in hand. :banghead
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Maybe if they stopped the flood rule the rushed behind thing would just go away.
Have the powers to be ever thought of that.
The rushed behind has only become a problem when teams flood.
It's the way to reform on just how they are going to get the ball out of danger.
So if half these halfwits looked at that flooding they will see the two go hand in hand. :banghead
I agree in principle but the quick in, being asked to play on milliseconds after taking a mark, being penalised for chasing after the ground ball and having someone hold it to your chest with one hand in air and the fact that players cant even look at the boundary line without it being deemed deliberate is the reason why behinds are rushed. The speed at which the players are asked to play the game is the blight, not the rushed behinds. And they still talk about restricting the number of interchanges :banghead
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maybe if blokes were willing to kick to contests from the kick in,that particular area of skill would have no option but to grow.
It's bull poo football and an indictment on the game,one that raises laughter internationally.